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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on September 30, 2020, 09:40:54 PM

Title: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: KenyanPlato on September 30, 2020, 09:40:54 PM
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 30, 2020, 09:47:09 PM
Ndii should go slow on the ugali, nyama choma and mafuta.  He is otherwise always an interesting, if ideologically inflexible, character to listen to.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: KenyanPlato on September 30, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah age has caught up with good living turbo. I think he is not the kind that goes to gyms or walks
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on September 30, 2020, 10:44:07 PM
I don't buy it. As much as I like Ndii's analysis I think he is just bloviating here. Sour grapes and his extreme hatred for Uhuru are clouding his judgement. Ruto is firmly part of the establishment, this fake narrative of outsider be peddled doesn't hold water. Ruto is one of the wealthiest politicians in this country. Hustler tag is phony PR tactic being pushed by analytica like firms for hire.

Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 01, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
I don't buy it. As much as I like Ndii's analysis I think he is just bloviating here. Sour grapes and his extreme hatred for Uhuru are clouding his judgement. Ruto is firmly part of the establishment, this fake narrative of outsider be peddled doesn't hold water. Ruto is one of the wealthiest politicians in this country. Hustler tag is phony PR tactic being pushed by analytica like firms for hire.

The rural areas ruto is popular especially in Central..something is going on there..it could turn even ngilu was popular before being dumped for kinaki
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 01, 2020, 12:37:38 AM
Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 01, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
I don't buy it. As much as I like Ndii's analysis I think he is just bloviating here. Sour grapes and his extreme hatred for Uhuru are clouding his judgement. Ruto is firmly part of the establishment, this fake narrative of outsider be peddled doesn't hold water. Ruto is one of the wealthiest politicians in this country. Hustler tag is phony PR tactic being pushed by analytica like firms for hire.

All Kenyan Presidents have sold themselves as outsiders before they assumed the office , Its part and parcel of politics called re-branding and partly the reason why Raila has never risen to top leadership because he has been unable to rejuvenate himself .
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 01, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.

I can see Ndii for a minute has been trying to angle himself in Rutos camp .
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 01, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.

I can see Ndii for a minute has been trying to angle himself in Rutos camp .

Ndii won't work for ruto. He won't..ruto is a trickle down type of guy..big government spending hawk like uhuru.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 01, 2020, 01:08:51 PM
Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.

I can see Ndii for a minute has been trying to angle himself in Rutos camp .

Ndii won't work for ruto. He won't..ruto is a trickle down type of guy..big government spending hawk like uhuru.

As  someone pointed out earlier , Ndii has "personal grudge " with Uhuru but previously let his wife "Mwende Gatabaki"  work for Uhuru .
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 01, 2020, 01:56:48 PM
He can work for Ruto as risk assessment expert - but Ruto is a visionary and a dreamer -
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nefertiti on October 02, 2020, 12:01:51 AM
Ndii is politically incorrect and independent even if you disagree with him. Miguna type zero tact. He's wrong obviously - that poor folks are so fangible. Let him face Raila in Msambweni first - when are Hustler primaries? Boga just nicked ODM ticket.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 03, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.

I can see Ndii for a minute has been trying to angle himself in Rutos camp .

Ndii won't work for ruto. He won't..ruto is a trickle down type of guy..big government spending hawk like uhuru.

Now what you say
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/ndii-i-don-t-mind-working-with-ruto-to-defeat-dynasties--2455604
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Kichwa on October 03, 2020, 11:25:59 PM

Hehehe! If Kenyan elections were won at the Polls, RAO would have finished his ten years by now and retired in Bondo.  But even if it were, I have lived in something which resembles a democracy and we all know that polls taken 2 years before the elections do not mean anything.  That's why nobody takes them.  Now go ahead and tell me that Kenya is different.

Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Kichwa on October 03, 2020, 11:27:02 PM

Hehehe! If Kenyan elections were won at the Polls, RAO would have finished his ten years by now and retired in Bondo.  But even if it were, also we all know that polls taken 2 years before the elections do not mean anything.  That's why nobody takes them.  Now go ahead and tell me that Kenya is different.

Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 11:32:33 PM
Raila doesn't know how to finish. He is an idiot. Look at Ruto and his history. He is strategic, tactical and knows what it takes. Just because Raila has struggled don't think somebody as meticulous as Ruto is about to drop the ball.

Ruto takes half-chance - but this one is open goal - he will not choke. That is why Ruto who is 54 yrs - son of a peasant - is now sleepwalking to PORK.

Hehehe! If Kenyan elections were won at the Polls, RAO would have finished his ten years by now and retired in Bondo.  But even if it were, I have lived in something which resembles a democracy and we all know that polls taken 2 years before the elections do not mean anything.  That's why nobody takes them.  Now go ahead and tell me that Kenya is different.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nefertiti on October 03, 2020, 11:35:37 PM
Mobutu is yet to have his Msando murdered or offices raided - Uhuru handles him with kid gloves. The closest I have seen to force is ignoring tribunal orders about Jubilee coalition with Kanu. Everything else is by the book. Kibra tidbit of ODM thugs was fair tit-for-tat for the brazen bribery of voters at Karen Hotel - still they cried for a month. Now Mobutu is bribing voters all over but whining about Huduma Namba - the man is delusional - he is entitled and in fact addicted to impunity.


Hehehe! If Kenyan elections were won at the Polls, RAO would have finished his ten years by now and retired in Bondo.  But even if it were, I have lived in something which resembles a democracy and we all know that polls taken 2 years before the elections do not mean anything.  That's why nobody takes them.  Now go ahead and tell me that Kenya is different.

Unless a miracle happen - this is Ruto election to lose.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
Ruto makes it easy because he doesn't whine like Raila. He has taken Uhuru assaults for 3yrs and pretty much covered it. I am not sure what else you mean - nearly anybody associated with Ruto in gov has been fired, jailed, silenced, bribed, bought, intimidated and scared. And that is for 3yrs. Prov administration and police have been told to ignore him. Ministers ignores him. Even poor Mau forest peasant have been evicted to goad him. His allies in parliament fired. Jubilee party behave worse than KANU. EACC/DCI job for 3 yrs was basically to hound Ruto allies - and so was KRA. There is nothing they haven't tried - Kiambaa ICC name it.  His job given out to Matiangi. Blocked from launching projects.

But Ruto knows how to deal with those issues...without whining.

Now what else will you pull? Msando - how does that help you?

I mean the last 3yrs - Kibicho/Matiangi - job has basically been to tame Ruto - using all the tools in harambee house.

It aint working - now maybe they plan to murder him - otherwise i don't see how they can succeed. The more Ruto triumps the more he is getting serious support.

Ruto I have told you for many years is the greatest propagandist kenya has ever seen - he can turn anything upside down. That is why he was an asset in KANU - imagine selling Moi during those days when economy was negative :) .Ruto turned ICC story 360 degrees - victims started praying for the suspects - wazungu gave up with kenyans :) . Now he has turned Raila-Uhuru-Gideon assaults' into Rich-Poor. He is basically told kenyans they dont' want me because I am son of a nobody - they the rich sons whose parents were presidents. There is no defence for that..guilty as charged. Now is gone on to embrace the poor - eating with them, sleeping with them, working with them - and a revolution against rich elite is up in the air.

Ruto knows how to sell an idea....knows how to get turn a story upside down. Ruto is the snake oil salesman. I started noticing in 2001 - when he was selling KANU and Uhuru - who was in 30s and could barely say anything :). Ruto himself was in 30s and I remember telling my friends - Ruto will go far! He has tremendous gifts - quick thinking, the gift of the cab and a  relentless ambition.

Mobutu is yet to have his Msando murdered or offices raided - Uhuru handles him with kid gloves. The closest I have seen to force is ignoring tribunal orders about Jubilee coalition with Kanu. Everything else is by the book. Kibra tidbit of ODM thugs was fair tit-for-tat for the brazen bribery of voters at Karen Hotel - still they cried for a month. Now Mobutu is bribing voters all over but whining about Huduma Namba - the man is delusional - he is entitled and in fact addicted to impunity.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nefertiti on October 04, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
Firing Murkomen or prosecuting criminals is by the book - they were enjoying impunity before. Even evicting forest encroachers. Or police, CCs not rolling red carpet - all these are shadow boxing. Noone has been detained illegally, no frozen assets, no meetings disrupted. There is no ukora or strong-arm tactics against Mobutu. While he is openly bribing voters. Even now he will pour lots of cash into Msambweni - then cry loudly when Raila play dirty tricks against him.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: Nefertiti on October 04, 2020, 12:38:23 AM
Usual stories about Mobutu magic - he would have become PORK kitambo yet it still a mirage. Uhuru is PORK because he was the best candidate. Now Raila is de facto DPORK - employing machinery against paper DPORK.

Ruto knows how to sell an idea....knows how to get turn a story upside down. Ruto is the snake oil salesman. I started noticing in 2001 - when he was selling KANU and Uhuru - who was in 30s and could barely say anything :). Ruto himself was in 30s and I remember telling my friends - Ruto will go far! He has tremendous gifts - quick thinking, the gift of the cab and a  relentless ambition.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 04, 2020, 12:40:07 AM
Really - why was Sudi jailed illegally for 7 days :) Ngeno:) - name them. Duale had KRA sent. Gachagua money were frozen. Waitutu is home - too late he gave in after he was dead. I can go on and on. Nearly all governors were pro-Ruto - but were scared - Ojaamong - name them. Heck 25 mps and senator has...he had to work his butt for 3yrs :) :) otherwise he'd probably have 5 genuinely anti-Ruto mps.

We had corruption crusade, wealth audit, I don't know 1,000 shs be denomitized.

Please. Uhuru has failed but not because for lack of trying; But because Ruto is very sly.

Ruto ever since Moi took him to Japan as Cu chairman has had burning ambition to become PORK.
He has meticously planned this.
He is aware of those games - and how to beat them.
In Kenya the biggest weapon is MONEY - without money forget it.
The rest Ruto will not have to worry - because a gov exiting power - is going to be leaking - so Ruto as as good intelligence as Uhuru
Because many in gov are looking for the future.

As we head into 2021 - it is  all about money. Boys get seperated by Men. Mama Ngina at this point would cut you a cheque of 5B kshs to cover your expesense and buy you. If you have no money in 2021 - go home. This is when big money will be expended. Harambees will be order of the day.

2022 money is banned as election year - and it's to try to find momentum - although money would be required for logistics, campaigns and media - this final run - not really enough to make any impact - 1st Q is party nomination - and 2nd half is crazy campaigns.

Uhuru officially lameduck as of mid next year. Nobody will care. Not even Kibicho who will be in Kirinyanga.

Firing Murkomen or prosecuting criminals is by the book - they were enjoying impunity before. Even evicting forest encroachers. Or police, CCs not rolling red carpet - all these are shadow boxing. Noone has been detained illegally, no frozen assets, no meetings disrupted. There is no ukora or strong-arm tactics against Mobutu. While he is openly bribing voters. Even now he will pour lots of cash into Msambweni - then cry loudly when Raila play dirty tricks against him.
Title: Re: Ndii ruto is polling at 40 percent
Post by: RV Pundit on October 04, 2020, 12:46:11 AM
Technically he has been PORK for 3 days :).  He beat Ochuka who lasted I think 6 hours :) :)  as the Kenya President in 1982. Raila could not even make himself or Jaramogi PORK - for Ochuka had his own ideas. Raila is just a fool who will never score....

President Uhuru Kenyatta Monday decided to transfer power to his deputy William Ruto, saying his attendance at The Hague proceedings safeguard the rule of law while protecting the country's sovereignty.

Usual stories about Mobutu magic - he would have become PORK kitambo yet it still a mirage. Uhuru is PORK because he was the best candidate. Now Raila is de facto DPORK - employing machinery against paper DPORK.