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Title: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 13, 2020, 05:45:45 PM

Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: RV Pundit on September 13, 2020, 06:19:53 PM
By next year nobody will care what lameduck Uhuru thinks. People are looking to renew their mandate or enter politics - and the ground game is everything. Raila is desperately trying to reboot BBI momentum that was taken away by CORONA and now they looted CORONA funds.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: RV Pundit on September 13, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 13, 2020, 07:04:49 PM
Hard tackles against Raila from Coast





Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 13, 2020, 07:21:25 PM
Another one for Joho snd BBI


Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 06:26:23 AM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-09-13-do-not-bow-down-to-intimidation-and-coercion-ruto/


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Deputy President William Ruto has called upon leaders in the country including politicians to preach peace among Kenyans even as they serve them.

Ruto said leaders should be at the forefront forging for cohesion in the country and urged the country to resist attempts by some leaders to take Kenya back to the old ways of doing politics.

“We are past the politics of ethnicity and hate. Ours is development-leaning politics that will transform our country,” Ruto said.

 
 
The DP was speaking to residents of Kitengela in Kajiado on Sunday after prayer services at the Free Pentecostal Baraka Church and Kitengela Methodist Church.

He said that Kenyans will decide who will be their next president come 2022 and that Kenya has a maturing democracy whose people can freely make their voting decisions.

“Do not bow down to intimidations and coercion. The so-called deep state and system is hot air. It is a cocktail of criminals,” he said.

Ruto who was accompanied by 25 Mps said that insisted that the country is not ready for a referendum, arguing that people are still struggling to make ends meet.

“Coronavirus has resulted in a lot of suffering as the economy is ailing. What is important now is to focus on alleviating the sticky challenges of poverty and unemployment.”

Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

Alice Wahome said the only system recognised in Kenya was the one that was anchored in the law. “The use of the police to push for a certain line of political thought is past time. We would not be shaken by that,” she said.

Kandara MP added that Mt Kenya was fully behind the DP as the candidate to succeed President Uhuru Kenyatta in 2022.

Ichung’wa said the change of the constitution was not a priority.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 07:16:49 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 07:21:35 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 07:58:58 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.

Changing goal posts again couse you theory doesnt hold water , so who are the influencers now  ?
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 08:27:17 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.

Changing goal posts again couse you theory doesnt hold water , so who are the influencers now  ?

INFLUENCERS are regional/local kingpins who potentially sway the voters. It is well documented in Pundit tribal encyclopedia 2012 Edition. For example, Sonko is an influencer but not Gakuya or Jaguar or Imran.Starting 2013, we can say most governors (not all) fall under influencer category. Some senators. A few MPs. Power brokers like Atwoli and rising stars like Matiang’i.

In this school of thought, Big 5 have established "national" players and overshadow local aspirants. Raila and Ruto fall here. There are few or no influencers in Luo and Kalenjin. Obado, Gideon Moi are paperweight.

Weaker national players brooke local rivals - Kalonzo and Mdvd. Mutua, Muthama, Ngilu, Oparanya are influencers.

Swing tribes have most influencers- Mijikenda Joho, Kingi. Turkana Nanok. Meru Kiraitu. Maa Tunai, Lenku, Ledama Kina. NFD Duale. Gusii Matiang’i.

Transition vacuum creates influencers- Central is emerging into MK, PK who are Ruto and Uhuru projects for kingpin. Most of the Mt Kenya governors and senators are Handshake but Pundit says they are scared of Haji and DCI.

There. It is not a black & white science but MPs are not typically considered influencers. They are potentials.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: RV Pundit on September 14, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Robina as we approach 2022...we will have  better viewpoints but Uhuru dci/kra/dpp/eacc still pretty much muddling the waters...most pro Ruto folks went underground to avoid becoming Echezas or Kiunjuri but Ruto ground game will bring them up.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 08:50:08 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.

Changing goal posts again couse you theory doesnt hold water , so who are the influencers now  ?

INFLUENCERS are regional/local kingpins who potentially sway the voters. It is well documented in Pundit tribal encyclopedia 2012 Edition. For example, Sonko is an influencer but not Gakuya or Jaguar or Imran.Starting 2013, we can say most governors (not all) fall under influencer category. Some senators. A few MPs. Power brokers like Atwoli and rising stars like Matiang’i.

In this school of thought, Big 5 have established "national" players and overshadow local aspirants. Raila and Ruto fall here. There are few or no influencers in Luo and Kalenjin. Obado, Gideon Moi are paperweight.

Weaker national players brooke local rivals - Kalonzo and Mdvd. Mutua, Muthama, Ngilu, Oparanya are influencers.

Swing tribes have most influencers- Mijikenda Joho, Kingi. Turkana Nanok. Meru Kiraitu. Maa Tunai, Lenku, Ledama Kina. NFD Duale.

Transition vacuum creates influencers- Central is emerging into MK, PK who are Ruto and Uhuru projects for kingpin. Most of the Mt Kenya governors and senators are Handshake but Pundit says they are scared of Haji and DCI.

There. It is not a black & white science but MPs are not typically considered influencers. They are potentials.

You live in your own world .Influencers is all about Instagram and advertisement . So how is Sonko an inflencers while its known the Kamba who elected him in both 2013 /2017 elected Raila and ODM Mps in those elections . He just placed himself in a position where he  won GEMA votes and topped up with Kamba votes in both elections  . In as much as it was beneficial because Nairobi Senatorial postion and Governor positions are very important .
So Atwoli is an inflencer ? where in Western ? wacha mchezo bana  - How does RV even engage you ?
Talking of Joho , do you know his so called popularity is a mirage , If Joho was to move out of ODM or go against Raila he would lose Mombasa Diaspora Luo votes , thats what has made him who he is .
Kingi as correctly pointed by RV is in the process of moving to Rutos  ringside only that the war on corruption has made them to go underwater for a minute . You will see once 2022 approaches and it will be evident on the changes at DPP and DCIs offices
PK even in Nairobi Mt Kenya never voted for him , I dont know why you are pushing him , Met him in Russia in 2018  and told him in his face youve got no chance if you are not with Ruto and he seems to know that .
As for Kiraitu he will never associate himself with Raila , thats a ticket home , right now he is so unpopular association with Raila will be like last nail in his coffin .
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 08:56:34 AM
Robina as we approach 2022...we will have  better viewpoints but Uhuru dci/kra/dpp/eacc still pretty much muddling the waters...most pro Ruto folks went underground to avoid becoming Echezas or Kiunjuri but Ruto ground game will bring them up.

True machinery is a factor that fizzle as incumbent becomes lameduck.

The "ground" is contentious cause class vs tribe duel is unsettled. Generational analog vs digital thing flopped - 2002/07/13/17 broke down purely on tribe. Here in US class and gender rule - arguably eclipsing race and religion.

Raila is better coalition builder - Ruto is better crowd mobilizer. This is an exciting duel to watch. Let hope there will be no PEV or Msandos.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.

Changing goal posts again couse you theory doesnt hold water , so who are the influencers now  ?

INFLUENCERS are regional/local kingpins who potentially sway the voters. It is well documented in Pundit tribal encyclopedia 2012 Edition. For example, Sonko is an influencer but not Gakuya or Jaguar or Imran.Starting 2013, we can say most governors (not all) fall under influencer category. Some senators. A few MPs. Power brokers like Atwoli and rising stars like Matiang’i.

In this school of thought, Big 5 have established "national" players and overshadow local aspirants. Raila and Ruto fall here. There are few or no influencers in Luo and Kalenjin. Obado, Gideon Moi are paperweight.

Weaker national players brooke local rivals - Kalonzo and Mdvd. Mutua, Muthama, Ngilu, Oparanya are influencers.

Swing tribes have most influencers- Mijikenda Joho, Kingi. Turkana Nanok. Meru Kiraitu. Maa Tunai, Lenku, Ledama Kina. NFD Duale.

Transition vacuum creates influencers- Central is emerging into MK, PK who are Ruto and Uhuru projects for kingpin. Most of the Mt Kenya governors and senators are Handshake but Pundit says they are scared of Haji and DCI.

There. It is not a black & white science but MPs are not typically considered influencers. They are potentials.

You live in your own world .Influencers is all about Instagram and advertisement . So how is Sonko an inflencers while its known the Kamba who elected him in both 2013 /2017 elected Raila and ODM Mps in those elections . He just placed himself in a position where he  won GEMA votes and topped up with Kamba votes in both elections  . In as much as it was beneficial because Nairobi Senatorial postion and Governor positions are very important .
So Atwoli is an inflencer ? where in Western ? wacha mchezo bana  - How does RV even engage you ?
Talking of Joho , do you know his so called popularity is a mirage , If Joho was to move out of ODM or go against Raila he would lose Mombasa Diaspora Luo votes , thats what has made him who he is .
Kingi as correctly pointed by RV is in the process of moving to Rutos  ringside only that the war on corruption has made them to go underwater for a minute . You will see once 2022 approaches and it will be evident on the changes at DPP and DCIs offices
PK even in Nairobi Mt Kenya never voted for him , I dont know why you are pushing him , Met him in Russia in 2018  and told him in his face youve got no chance if you are not with Ruto and he seems to know that .
As for Kiraitu he will never associate himself with Raila , thats a ticket home , right now he is so unpopular association with Raila will be like last nail in his coffin .

Well at least we can agree the MPs you listed up there are pawns not influencers. Sonko influences slum dwellers - if he sided with Ruto in Kibra it would have been tight. Atwoli influence is power brokering - Mdvd sermed very happy recently to be confirmed as Luhya prince. Joho influence is mobilizing & drug money - Luo are not 70% of Mombasa - Joho has the Swahilis/Arabs. Kingi remains in Baba armpit from BBI rallies, Ganda byelections, etc - and you hope he is joining Jumwa - no evidence of that. Kiraitu or Kawira un/popularity is conjecture - the lady struggled to floor Kajuju for Women Rep - Kiraitu is governor. Ditto for Ngirici - another almighty flowergirl. Only Kihika is credible rising star due to her position, strategy and Nakuru demographics.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: RV Pundit on September 14, 2020, 09:22:38 AM
Atwoli power brokering - since when? He is just an empty vessel that makes the most noise. MaDVD remain restricted to Maragolis. Joho is retiring and kaput.Mijikenda have gone undergound including Kingi - they are cooking something. As for GEMA - we have two camps now - one backing Uhuru - one backing Ruto. Anyone supporting Ruto at this point in gema is doing so because of the ground...otherwise with all the threats,bribery, intimidation.

Anyway by mid next year nobody will care about Uhuru or his DCI or EACC or KRA. Folks will be looking to renew a 5yr lease with the voters.

Well at least we can agree the MPs you listed up there are pawns not influencers. Sonko influences slum dwellers - if he sided with Ruto in Kibra it would have been tight. Atwoli influence is power brokering - Mdvd sermed very happy recently to be confirmed as Luhya prince. Joho influence is mobilizing & drug money - Luo are not 70% of Mombasa - Joho has the Swahilis/Arabs. Kingi remains in Baba armpit from BBI rallies, Ganda byelections, etc - and you hope he is joining Jumwa - no evidence of that. Kiraitu or Kawira un/popularity is conjecture - the lady struggled to floor Kajuju for Women Rep - Kiraitu is governor. Ditto for Ngirici - another almighty flowergirl. Only Kihika is credible rising star due to her position, strategy and Nakuru demographics.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 09:24:05 AM
Noway -  I play neutral but you are not Pundit eatablished tibal analyst level. You are untested chipukizi like Kawira vs longtime winning hamd Kiraitu. Your arguments against documented uncontested factual PEV are bizarre.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
Machinery is just like money or media power - it create illusion of popularity. Like Ruto retainers and handouts. Perception is reality. In the meantime 1M1S will alienate Ruto and make the realignment you are imagining in 2021 stillborn.

Atwoli power brokering - since when? He is just an empty vessel that makes the most noise. MaDVD remain restricted to Maragolis. Joho is retiring and kaput.Mijikenda have gone undergound including Kingi - they are cooking something. As for GEMA - we have two camps now - one backing Uhuru - one backing Ruto. Anyone supporting Ruto at this point in gema is doing so because of the ground...otherwise with all the threats,bribery, intimidation.

Anyway by mid next year nobody will care about Uhuru or his DCI or EACC or KRA. Folks will be looking to renew a 5yr lease with the voters.

Well at least we can agree the MPs you listed up there are pawns not influencers. Sonko influences slum dwellers - if he sided with Ruto in Kibra it would have been tight. Atwoli influence is power brokering - Mdvd sermed very happy recently to be confirmed as Luhya prince. Joho influence is mobilizing & drug money - Luo are not 70% of Mombasa - Joho has the Swahilis/Arabs. Kingi remains in Baba armpit from BBI rallies, Ganda byelections, etc - and you hope he is joining Jumwa - no evidence of that. Kiraitu or Kawira un/popularity is conjecture - the lady struggled to floor Kajuju for Women Rep - Kiraitu is governor. Ditto for Ngirici - another almighty flowergirl. Only Kihika is credible rising star due to her position, strategy and Nakuru demographics.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 10:06:17 AM
You're working overtime to push this hustler nation myth. Crowds are not a reliable indicator of anything.

You are the one in self deceit , what is an indicator ? in previous post youve been yelling Ruto has no elected leaders in his side , ooh they all fled , so who are these people ?

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Among the MPs who accompanied him include George Sunkuyia (Kajiado West), Rigathi Gachagua (Mathira), Gitonga Murugara (Tharaka), Victor Munyaka (Machakos), George Theuri (Embakasi West), Vincent Musyoka (Mwala), and Rahab Mukami (Woman Rep, Nyeri).

Nimrod Mbai (Kitui East), Alice Wahome (Kandara), Kubai Iringo (Igembe Central), Mathias Robi (Kuria West), Rindikiri Mugambi (Buuri) and Patrick Munene (Chuka/Igembe Ngombe).

 
 
Others were Lydia Haika (Woman Rep, Taita Taveta), Beatrice Nkatha (Woman Rep, Tharaka Nithi), Kimani Ichungwa (Kikuyu), John Mutunga (Tigania West), George Kariuki (Ndia), James Gakuya (Embakasi North), Korir Nixon (Lang’ata) and Jayne Kihara (Naivasha).

I been saying Ruto has only pawns - Raila has the influencers. The "Ruto has the ground" is a lie noone can verify by listening to the few friends in your echo chamber. Class vs tribe is an experiment at best. Generational politics was tried and flopped before.

Changing goal posts again couse you theory doesnt hold water , so who are the influencers now  ?

INFLUENCERS are regional/local kingpins who potentially sway the voters. It is well documented in Pundit tribal encyclopedia 2012 Edition. For example, Sonko is an influencer but not Gakuya or Jaguar or Imran.Starting 2013, we can say most governors (not all) fall under influencer category. Some senators. A few MPs. Power brokers like Atwoli and rising stars like Matiang’i.

In this school of thought, Big 5 have established "national" players and overshadow local aspirants. Raila and Ruto fall here. There are few or no influencers in Luo and Kalenjin. Obado, Gideon Moi are paperweight.

Weaker national players brooke local rivals - Kalonzo and Mdvd. Mutua, Muthama, Ngilu, Oparanya are influencers.

Swing tribes have most influencers- Mijikenda Joho, Kingi. Turkana Nanok. Meru Kiraitu. Maa Tunai, Lenku, Ledama Kina. NFD Duale.

Transition vacuum creates influencers- Central is emerging into MK, PK who are Ruto and Uhuru projects for kingpin. Most of the Mt Kenya governors and senators are Handshake but Pundit says they are scared of Haji and DCI.

There. It is not a black & white science but MPs are not typically considered influencers. They are potentials.

You live in your own world .Influencers is all about Instagram and advertisement . So how is Sonko an inflencers while its known the Kamba who elected him in both 2013 /2017 elected Raila and ODM Mps in those elections . He just placed himself in a position where he  won GEMA votes and topped up with Kamba votes in both elections  . In as much as it was beneficial because Nairobi Senatorial postion and Governor positions are very important .
So Atwoli is an inflencer ? where in Western ? wacha mchezo bana  - How does RV even engage you ?
Talking of Joho , do you know his so called popularity is a mirage , If Joho was to move out of ODM or go against Raila he would lose Mombasa Diaspora Luo votes , thats what has made him who he is .
Kingi as correctly pointed by RV is in the process of moving to Rutos  ringside only that the war on corruption has made them to go underwater for a minute . You will see once 2022 approaches and it will be evident on the changes at DPP and DCIs offices
PK even in Nairobi Mt Kenya never voted for him , I dont know why you are pushing him , Met him in Russia in 2018  and told him in his face youve got no chance if you are not with Ruto and he seems to know that .
As for Kiraitu he will never associate himself with Raila , thats a ticket home , right now he is so unpopular association with Raila will be like last nail in his coffin .

Well at least we can agree the MPs you listed up there are pawns not influencers. Sonko influences slum dwellers - if he sided with Ruto in Kibra it would have been tight. Atwoli influence is power brokering - Mdvd sermed very happy recently to be confirmed as Luhya prince. Joho influence is mobilizing & drug money - Luo are not 70% of Mombasa - Joho has the Swahilis/Arabs. Kingi remains in Baba armpit from BBI rallies, Ganda byelections, etc - and you hope he is joining Jumwa - no evidence of that. Kiraitu or Kawira un/popularity is conjecture - the lady struggled to floor Kajuju for Women Rep - Kiraitu is governor. Ditto for Ngirici - another almighty flowergirl. Only Kihika is credible rising star due to her position, strategy and Nakuru demographics.

I dont agree with you on anything, Ive told you before most of the elected politicians around  90% usually dont make it back .They cant influence anything rather they are influenced to seek nomination using popular parties which wananch(ground) have identified . In this case the would be Rutos Party and would be Railas party .
In Kibra still Luos would have voted for Railas candidate , why you always keep on referencing Kibra a known stronhold of Raila , Jubilee didnt expect to win but to decided to get into it for a strong showing .
So which power brokering has Atwoli done and emerged with victory ? Atwoli is just a busy body known for swindling money from unions and companies
Luos are around 30% of Mombasa electorate , thats a huge number which can influence an election outcome if they combine with another group like Bantu Swahili  and Kamba . Arabs never and have never voted for Joho . You clearly lack in Coast politics

As for Kingi he had been warming up for Ruto , up untill DCI and DPP started hunting for Governors . Below are the links
 


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/coast/article/2001288227/kingi-explains-ties-with-dp-ruto

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/amason-kingi-dumps-joho-makes-peace-with-dp-ruto--46848

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/kilifi-governor-amason-kingi-shows-up-to-welcome-dp-ruto-at-coast-event-46734

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https://weeklycitizen.co.ke/governor-hides-from-ruto-switches-off-phone/

It is said before going to Coast, the DP had a phone conversation with the Kilifi governor, and there was an agreement for a secret meeting on the day of his arrival. However, to the surprise of Ruto, Kingi was nowhere and his phones were switched off. Attempts by one of the DP’s aides, Farouk Kibet to trace Kingi through close contacts, did not bear any fruit. It was not immediately clear why Kingi snubbed the DP whom he had promised to work with ahead of 2022 general elections. At a public rally in Kilifi early last year attended by Ruto, Kingi had declared he would team up with the DP and go round the country to gauge who between them was more popular to be a presidential candidate and the other will offer his support. Political observers claim that Kingi, who is on his second and final term as governor, may have developed cold feet on Ruto for fear that associating with him now, could have provoked fresh investigations of corruption claims in his administration.

Kiraitu is not in Railas corner , thats a death sentence in Meru land . He is not that naive . Last I saw he was advocatiing for Jubilee and Mt Kenya unity
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nowayhaha on September 14, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Noway -  I play neutral but you are not Pundit eatablished tibal analyst level. You are untested chipukizi like Kawira vs longtime winning hamd Kiraitu. Your arguments against documented uncontested factual PEV are bizarre.
RV Pundit  is correct on most of his analysis however he is wrong by insinuating Ruto plans to use violence to blackmail GEMA  . Yes the conditions he gives were in place in the 90s and 2007  when there was violence in the former Rift Valley Province , However things are different now , actually  there are places which completely changed names after mass evacuation during P.E.V.
Ive come to appreciate that he likes twisting facts to support his line of argument - Take for example today he is saying Ogiek are no Kalenjin where as its factual and documented that they are indeed Kalenjins .

Now coming to you , young lady you live in your own world . If you think PK will be able to split  Mt Kenya votes you would be in for a rude awakening . I can guarantee you if he stands even Raila will defeat him in Mt Kenya .
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: gout on September 14, 2020, 10:57:08 AM
Away from the politics, these crowds are good precursor for opening up the country and the economy. The Mafya house racketeers are quite audacious and shameless that they continue holding these silly press conferences. Working for Mwafrika governments turns you into a real sheep no matter the education - too bad for like of Mwangangi and Rashid if Kagwe is not dropping some bones- all those conferences and then you are chased 10 years down the line by hungry anti corruption dogs over some petty oversight as Uhuru snores at Sukari City paradise.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: RV Pundit on September 14, 2020, 02:20:02 PM
Kagwe is now a joke with his covid numbers. Open up. Nobody cares anymore. And stop those press conference. If anything just fax the numbers to media houses.
Away from the politics, these crowds are good precursor for opening up the country and the economy. The Mafya house racketeers are quite audacious and shameless that they continue holding these silly press conferences. Working for Mwafrika governments turns you into a real sheep no matter the education - too bad for like of Mwangangi and Rashid if Kagwe is not dropping some bones- all those conferences and then you are chased 10 years down the line by hungry anti corruption dogs over some petty oversight as Uhuru snores at Sukari City paradise.
Title: Re: Hustler Nation In Kitengela- At This Rate UhuRaila will Call For Another LockDow
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I don't fully buy covid19 is over in Kenya. Here it looks headed to new winter lockdown. Even Trump only holds small rallies at the hangar with social distance. Those hapless youth might cause fresh outbreak in Kenya.