Nipate
Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 11, 2019, 04:27:16 PM
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https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/440808-482252-h6ekdbz/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3L8_OLSAiWLO3fLa6SBP8fnLkW2UyZa3_a-1pIu4g2b0GlzMK9U3t3xFU
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:D :D i love the way you're on top of things. Your watermelon is going to capitulate. The coward can't take another dog beating. Continue prepping the ground with his relics. For soft landing.
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Ruto is shallow and expedient, but he says 2 things
1. Parliamentary federalism is more accountable. The US is presidential but has a college to rein tyranny.
2. The pre-2010 constitution was not the Lancaster devolved parliamentary complete with a governor-general. It was soiled and pulverized by the greedy, corrupt Jomo and his Kiambu mafia. 1964 they scrapped parliamentary. 1969 they abolished majimbo and the senate.
This debate of inclusion and accountability we've been buttressing here. You took leave of faculty to support Ruto... your very own genius hero agrees with me.
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I saw it on fakepuke and I thought i should share. BBI hakuna pahali inaenda. After 30yrs of debating constitution - we finally NAILED IT at Naivasha and 2010 was the watershed moment.
:D :D i love the way you're on top of things. Your watermelon is going to capitulate. The coward can't take another dog beating. Continue prepping the ground with his relics. For soft landing.
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Ruto pushed for parliamentary in Naivasha and he lost - and voted NO. Raila changed like a chameleon and birthed us this katiba.
I don't know what Ruto thinks now about presidential or parliamentary - but I am betting he wants to keep the current system
Ruto is shallow and expedient, but he says 2 things
1. Parliamentary federalism is more accountable. The US is presidential but has a college to rein tyranny.
2. The pre-2010 constitution was not the Lancaster devolved parliamentary complete with a governor-general. It was spoiled and pulverized by the greedy, corrupt Jomo and his Kiambu mafia. 1964 they scrapped parliamentary. 1969 they scrapped majimbo and the senate.
This debate of inclusion and accountability we've been buttressing here. You took leave of faculty to support Ruto... your very own genius hero agrees with me.
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O Gee. Another white lie. Ruto and ODM rebels ganged up with PNU and obliterated parliamentary, and 16 regions that Raila wanted. The rebels and PNU would outvote ODM to impose pure presidential and 47 counties - and Abdikadir Mohamed the foxy shifta - as PSC chair & spokesman - would lie to media that there was consensus. They also scrapped gender quota for women rep.
PNU and Ruto won Naivasha hands down. ODM lost. Then Raila went yes not to lose the reform mantle. Ruto went no to hive off Kalenjin who were big ODM shareholders.
Ruto pushed for parliamentary in Naivasha and he lost - and voted NO. Raila changed like a chameleon and birthed us this katiba.
I don't know what Ruto thinks now about presidential or parliamentary - but I am betting he wants to keep the current system
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I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.
O Gee. Another white lie. Ruto and ODM rebels ganged up with PNU and obliterated parliamentary, and 16 regions that Raila wanted. The rebels and PNU would outvote ODM to impose pure presidential and 47 counties - and Abdikadir Mohamed the foxy shifta - as PSC chair & spokesman - would lie to media that there was consensus. They also scrapped gender quota for women rep.
PNU and Ruto won Naivasha hands down. ODM lost. Then Raila went yes not to lose the reform mantle. Ruto went no to hive off Kalenjin who were big ODM shareholders.
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Look for Naivasha PSC Hansards. Raila and Ruto (both Isaac & William) wanted a parliamentary system. PNU wanted a hybrid system. Raila's ODM out of the blues came up with pure presidential system and he was backed by PNU. That was end of the stalemate. Isaac Rutto dissented to the very end insisting on parliamentary system.
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Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.
Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa. :(
I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.
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If you get hansard proceeding you'll be shocked that Raila came up with this pure presidential system as counter against PNU hybrid system.
Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.
Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa. :(
I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.
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Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment :) - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential
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Ruto would even sell Rachel to the highest bidder to get the loot.
No wonder Amarco even survived when Ruto was not in good books with the Mt Kenya gangsters around Kibaki.
Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.
Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa. :(
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Only Kajwang warned us about what Uhuru is doing...
Kajwang’ warned that the so-called pure presidential system will be a bigger monster than the current imperial presidency.
"The President can ignore all other institutions, including Parliament and the Judiciary, and there was therefore no use for establishing the Committee of Experts because their input was ignored," said Kajwang’.
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Amarco survived mostly thro Third Party Insurance to Motor Vehicle....
Ruto would even sell Rachel to the highest bidder to get the loot.
No wonder Amarco even survived when Ruto was not in good books with the Mt Kenya gangsters around Kibaki.
Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.
Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa. :(
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ODM blames clique for its failure in Naivasha
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000007512/odm-blames-clique-for-its-failure-in-naivasha
Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment :) - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential
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Every pundit not fooled by the Abdikadir pressers knew better
HOW RUTO CHEATED RIFT VALLEY AT NAIVASHA
A closer look at the draft constitution crafted by the Parliamentary Select Committee (PSC) in Naivasha reveals a document that will forever impact Rift Valley Province in profound ways.
This was a document whose major tenets were spearheaded by a newfound friendship of strange bedfellows, one an angry and vengeful Agriculture Minister, William Ruto, and another, a calculating and ambitious Finance Minister, Uhuru Kenyatta, producing a 'compromise blueprint' that needs to be examined.
In the resulting deal, one side totally compromised on principles and aspirations held by their constituents, while elites from the other side got all they have long desired since the pre-independence period without breaking a sweat.
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SENATE
The PSC also went ahead, as driven by the PNU Coalition, to devour the Senate, which is supposed to be a legislative body that protects regions against marginalization.
After killing the regions, the so-called senate was deliberately incapacitated and rendered toothless, by the PSC, and is now akin to the forum for authorities in the infamous Kilifi Draft whose proposals were completely rejected in 2005. Are the people of Rift valley aware of this?
EXECUTIVE
To illustrate how divided Rift Valley’s voice was while entering this debate, it is noteworthy that Chepalungu MP, Isaac Ruto, favored a parliamentary system while Agriculture MP,William Ruto, proposed a pure presidential system.
Someone must have been bidding on behalf of external forces and sure, the pure presidential system carried the day.
But how is the pure presidential system likely to impact Rift Valley residents in case Rift Valley doesn’t produce a President for a long time?
If a parliamentary system was adopted, as Isaac Ruto suggested, Rift Valley MPs would definitely have a formidable voice of representation and parliamentary voting bloc that would guarantee safeguards against marginalization, unfair resource allocations and under-development.
However, under the pure presidential system proposed by William Ruto, Rift Valley will have to depend on the whims and mercy of that powerful President. Nobody can guarantee who the President is going to be in 2012, 2017, 2023 etc.
http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/3825
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They are complaining about devolution - but system of gov they nailed it - ODM genius gave copied US presidential system
ODM blames clique for its failure in Naivasha
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000007512/odm-blames-clique-for-its-failure-in-naivasha
Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment :) - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential
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Deja Vu: Nine years later, Kenya is back to fight over executive power
by OLIVER MATHENGE
26 October 2019 - 05:00
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Hf6tb35MAxGE0WE20INV699zuXVpBMjLTjGsI0RfBbJ5DlR_u2jHVe7_-LM0e9O020n4YMlfhUAzPLjdeKttOegs_WY=s750)
PSC members on constitution James Orengo, Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto chat during break in Naivasha in 2010.
Image: FILE
In Summary
• After reviewing the public comments to the harmonised draft, the Committee of Experts stuck to its proposed hybrid system, where the President and the Prime Minister would share power.
• In Naivasha, then ODM member William Ruto and Narc Kenya leader Martha, both presidential aspirants at the time, led the charge to reject the hybrid proposal in favour of a pure presidential.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-10-26-deja-vu-nine-years-later-kenya-is-back-to-fight-over-executive-power/
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How MPS arrived at presidential system
By Jibril Adan
25th Jan 2010 00:00:00 GMT +0300
The Standard can today reveal the genesis of proposal for a pure presidential system of government adopted by the Parliamentary Select Committee on Constitutional Review.
We established the system, which is similar to the US model of government, and which Kenyans will likely vote on at the referendum, was first mooted by Orange Democratic Movement deputy leader and Agriculture Minister William Ruto.
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Several versions of the presidential system were floated. Former Justice Minister Martha Karua and Garsen MP Danson Mungatana were among those who proposed versions of a presidential system of government.
ODM MP Isaac Ruto also proposed a version of parliamentary system. But all the systems did not get majority support and discussions dragged on for more than two hours.
It was at this point that Ruto is said to have moved his version of a pure presidential system. He argued the presidential system fronted by PNU was not different from what exists and that the hybrid system would be unworkable. He proposed a system similar to the US model where the executive and Parliament were delinked.
The proposed system was to be accompanied by a strong devolved government with 18 strong regional governments that can withstand control from the Executive.
The minister also proposed that leader of the majority party in Parliament be called ‘Majority Leader’ while his opposite would be called ‘Minority Leader’. The two leaders would be recognised by the Constitution.
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"PNU side, which has rooted for a presidential system did not hesitate to support Ruto’s proposal, as it looked more presentable to the public," said another confidential source.
When the proposal by Ruto appeared to be gaining support from the majority, a section of the ODM team at the retreat is said to have consulted the PM on telephone. It is believed they made the call as it became clear they would not be able to push through the parliamentary system favoured by the PM.
Kenyans warmly received the news PSC settled for a pure presidential system with checks and balances, but some ODM leaders have given indications it may not have gone down well with some of its bigwigs.
Bigger monster
Immigration Minister Otieno Kajwang has said the system would be "a monster". Mr Kajwang’ argued some in PSC think they are targeting Raila.
"They think that the law is being made for Raila, but they misread the mood in the country because Kenyans think differently and they will come to realise that later," Kajwang’ told The Standard. He warned the pure presidential system will be a bigger monster than the current imperial presidency.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001663/how-mps-arrived-at-presidential-system