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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 08, 2019, 10:07:56 PM
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Just seen this. This doesnt look good for Uhuru guys. This type of harassment is not necessary. Uhuru needs to stop using proxies and counter ruto head on. Uhuru is too lazy.
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It's more Kamanda vs Ruto actually. What I saw is Kamanda taking on the bellicose Ruto puppet Ndindi. Ndindi wanted to stop Kamanda event as if there are no other churches in Kiharu. Ndindo of course ate humble pie. This is the correct approach for Uhuru - let Kamandas, Wambugus and Kurias deal with Ruto groupies.
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Wambugu has been doing this in Nyeri.Why involve the police when Ndindi does the same.Ruto was busy in a well attended event in Kirinyaga on same day...Kamanda & Wambugu just don't have any traction because they are talking about respecting Uhuru...which every Jubilant does that..but nobody want Raila or handshake or BBI.That is where Uhuru problems starts and ends... handshake.Jubilee want handshake to end.The resistance in Mt Kenya against it is near total.
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This attacks are just emboldening tanga tanga and endearing Ruto to the mt. kenya voters. After BBI Ruto is unofficially the opposition leader. Since Mt. kenya has been disillusioned by jubilee economy, they're revolting against uhuru and his friend raila. Ruto isn't being blamed yet he's one of the architect of jubilee economy. There's cognitive dissonance in Mt. kenya region, how can people support Ruto( about 70%) yet complain about the same regime concerning economy. Jubilee has failed miserably and Raila should distance himself from jubilee if he wants to win next election. He can support BBI but oppose everything else, he shouldn't be going to Galana kulana a failed project, then tell the country that its viable. Economy is terrible, yet somehow now we're being treated to juvenile antics instead of leaders addressing the economy. The only person who's attempting to point out the problem is Mudavadi, no wonder the mt. business community is gravitating towards him.
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This is actually a redux of 2013 - Raila was running as incumbent - a prime minister - while UhuRuo were the change candidates - running outside gov.This one is even better. Ruto is having is cake and eating it. You know Jubilee 1.0 was great - there was stability, unity of purpose and gov was mean lean machine. Raila has brought confusion and mess into Jubilee 2.0. Nothing is moving. Without Ruto - the gov is just rudderless because Uhuru is just but a mere drunkard.He wakes up once a week and become serious - but leadership to get stuff done like Jubilee requires someone like Ruto working from 5am to 10pm making sure shiety getting done. Big 4 is dead as dodo. It also managed to kill real estate sector together with construction industry. SGR has ended in maize plantation in Narok. Kibicho is busy with his civil war against Ruto.Now not only are people fearful of another bloody election - there is lack of confidence in the economy and investment environment is just bad - we are now talking mau evictions - hate speeches - constitution changes - and honestly the country is going down.
This attacks are just emboldening tanga tanga and endearing Ruto to the mt. kenya voters. After BBI Ruto is unofficially the opposition leader. Since Mt. kenya has been disillusioned by jubilee economy, they're revolting against uhuru and his friend raila. Ruto isn't being blamed yet he's one of the architect of jubilee economy. There's cognitive dissonance in Mt. kenya region, how can people support Ruto( about 70%) yet complain about the same regime concerning economy. Jubilee has failed miserably and Raila should distance himself from jubilee if he wants to win next election. He can support BBI but oppose everything else, he shouldn't be going to Galana kulana a failed project, then tell the country that its viable. Economy is terrible, yet somehow now we're being treated to juvenile antics instead of leaders addressing the economy. The only person who's attempting to point out the problem is Mudavadi, no wonder the mt. business community is gravitating towards him.
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Wambugu has been doing this in Nyeri.Why involve the police when Ndindi does the same.Ruto was busy in a well attended event in Kirinyaga on same day...Kamanda & Wambugu just don't have any traction because they are talking about respecting Uhuru...which every Jubilant does that..but nobody want Raila or handshake or BBI.That is where Uhuru problems starts and ends... handshake.Jubilee want handshake to end.The resistance in Mt Kenya against it is near total.
Of course it double standards - but I couldn't care less. Ruto practice open thuggery and cannot whine and get any sympathy.
Ruto is a system :) - one part grovel before Uhuru and smile for photo ops - the other part hold night meetings to undermine the same Uhuru. Uhuru is hammering the deviant side of the Ruto system - Tanga Tanga midgets like Nyoro and Waititu. Kimani Ichung'wa has deftly avoided rubbing shoulders with Uhuru mboys - chuma chake ki motoni. Once Kameru forward the dirt file to DPP... ask Waititu - the chest-thumping, bravado and defiance is goone - the man is now firmly focused on development.
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This is actually a redux of 2013 - Raila was running as incumbent - a prime minister - while UhuRuo were the change candidates - running outside gov.This one is even better. Ruto is having is cake and eating it. You know Jubilee 1.0 was great - there was stability, unity of purpose and gov was mean lean machine. Raila has brought confusion and mess into Jubilee 2.0. Nothing is moving. Without Ruto - the gov is just rudderless because Uhuru is just but a mere drunkard.He wakes up once a week and become serious - but leadership to get stuff done like Jubilee requires someone like Ruto working from 5am to 10pm making sure shiety getting done. Big 4 is dead as dodo. It also managed to kill real estate sector together with construction industry. SGR has ended in maize plantation in Narok. Kibicho is busy with his civil war against Ruto.Now not only are people fearful of another bloody election - there is lack of confidence in the economy and investment environment is just bad - we are now talking mau evictions - hate speeches - constitution changes - and honestly the country is going down.
There was never any genuine growth - just debt-fueled GoK-led public sector growth. China has really saved Kenyans from further enslavement with huge mortgage for SGR 2 to nowhere. I told you no industries have failed to take off cause of no rail. Fighting graft is a longer term investment than infrastructure - I don't care if any Keroche or Humphrey Kariuki investor run away fearing raids or seizures. I love that Ruto is losing but wish it was genuine and sustainable purge. Too many moneybags routinely rob the poor. Same as Mau evictions - I feel for the poor peasants but Mau is a national resource that doesn't just belong to Kalenjin or Maasai. It's bigger than politics.
In short I don't see how Kenya has lost from the Handshake. Just perfect timely brakes on Uhuruto ignorance. Only universal healthcare and tivets make sense and that's all they should focus on. Stuff that doesn't need billions of dollars in debt. You can't borrow your way to prosperity - takes much more than that and neither Uhuru nor Ruto has what it takes.
Sorry Pundit, Uhuruto was only a mean LOOTING machine. The residual popularity Ruto is battling to keep - is because he is a good spin master but the architect of bankruptcy - no economic loss has been caused by his absence.
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You nailed it Robina. Ruto believes he can play Ouru by smiling at him and appearing harmless and loyal by the day but plotting against him all night long. The notion that Kikuyus will revolt against their own and pick Ruto is amazing coming from Pundit who told us that kikuyus will never vote a none kiuk.
Wambugu has been doing this in Nyeri.Why involve the police when Ndindi does the same.Ruto was busy in a well attended event in Kirinyaga on same day...Kamanda & Wambugu just don't have any traction because they are talking about respecting Uhuru...which every Jubilant does that..but nobody want Raila or handshake or BBI.That is where Uhuru problems starts and ends... handshake.Jubilee want handshake to end.The resistance in Mt Kenya against it is near total.
Of course it double standards - but I couldn't care less. Ruto practice open thuggery and cannot whine and get any sympathy.
Ruto is a system :) - one part grovel before Uhuru and smile for photo ops - the other part hold night meetings to undermine the same Uhuru. Uhuru is hammering the deviant side of the Ruto system - Tanga Tanga midgets like Nyoro and Waititu. Kimani Ichung'wa has deftly avoided rubbing shoulders with Uhuru mboys - chuma chake ki motoni. Once Kameru forward the dirt file to DPP... ask Waititu - the chest-thumping, bravado and defiance is goone - the man is now firmly focused on development.
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Pundit is very objective except where Ruto is concerned. Suddenly Kenyans are not tribal and Kikuyus will support Ruto. They are deserting him one by one as the cost of that option skyrockets.
I don't believe Uhuru ever bought the fake patronizing loyalty. As Ruto looted and planned mlolongo, Uhuru and his Matiang'is were plotting how to cut him off immediately after the swearing in.
You nailed it Robina. Ruto believes he can play Ouru by smiling at him and appearing harmless and loyal by the day but plotting against him all night long. The notion that Kikuyus will revolt against their own and pick Ruto is amazing coming from Pundit who told us that kikuyus will never vote a none kiuk.
Wambugu has been doing this in Nyeri.Why involve the police when Ndindi does the same.Ruto was busy in a well attended event in Kirinyaga on same day...Kamanda & Wambugu just don't have any traction because they are talking about respecting Uhuru...which every Jubilant does that..but nobody want Raila or handshake or BBI.That is where Uhuru problems starts and ends... handshake.Jubilee want handshake to end.The resistance in Mt Kenya against it is near total.
Of course it double standards - but I couldn't care less. Ruto practice open thuggery and cannot whine and get any sympathy.
Ruto is a system :) - one part grovel before Uhuru and smile for photo ops - the other part hold night meetings to undermine the same Uhuru. Uhuru is hammering the deviant side of the Ruto system - Tanga Tanga midgets like Nyoro and Waititu. Kimani Ichung'wa has deftly avoided rubbing shoulders with Uhuru mboys - chuma chake ki motoni. Once Kameru forward the dirt file to DPP... ask Waititu - the chest-thumping, bravado and defiance is goone - the man is now firmly focused on development.
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Big 4 is dead as dodo … SGR has ended in maize plantation in Narok … there is lack of confidence in the economy and investment environment is just bad … honestly the country is going down.
Are you OK, Bwana Pundit? What happened to all the Pollyanna stuff you've been peddling?
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Jubilee 1.0 did great. Economy has expanded from 55B(actually 42B before rebasing) to nearly 100B. Gov tax collections have doubled from 700B that Kibaki left to 1.6 trillion. Jubilee has improved electricity connection from 30% to 75%. It has improved the road network from 11-12k to 19K.
But I am afraid handshake and infighting in gov will make all this naught. Uhuru may become a kibaki - growing economy at 7% - then presiding over a civil war- at 1.7%.
Uhuru has to dump the handshake and Raila. The civil war in Mt Kenya and Jubilee will end. Jubilee parliament, gov and everyone else will start to read from the same page & development will become top priority.
So my advice to Uhuru - Raila is kabut - he cannot goes trouble anymore - so time to dump him - and endorse Ruto for 2012. Everything will start to right again.
This is actually a redux of 2013 - Raila was running as incumbent - a prime minister - while UhuRuo were the change candidates - running outside gov.This one is even better. Ruto is having is cake and eating it. You know Jubilee 1.0 was great - there was stability, unity of purpose and gov was mean lean machine. Raila has brought confusion and mess into Jubilee 2.0. Nothing is moving. Without Ruto - the gov is just rudderless because Uhuru is just but a mere drunkard.He wakes up once a week and become serious - but leadership to get stuff done like Jubilee requires someone like Ruto working from 5am to 10pm making sure shiety getting done. Big 4 is dead as dodo. It also managed to kill real estate sector together with construction industry. SGR has ended in maize plantation in Narok. Kibicho is busy with his civil war against Ruto.Now not only are people fearful of another bloody election - there is lack of confidence in the economy and investment environment is just bad - we are now talking mau evictions - hate speeches - constitution changes - and honestly the country is going down.
There was never any genuine growth - just debt-fueled GoK-led public sector growth. China has really saved Kenyans from further enslavement with huge mortgage for SGR 2 to nowhere. I told you no industries have failed to take off cause of no rail. Fighting graft is a longer term investment than infrastructure - I don't care if any Keroche or Humphrey Kariuki investor run away fearing raids or seizures. I love that Ruto is losing but wish it was genuine and sustainable purge. Too many moneybags routinely rob the poor. Same as Mau evictions - I feel for the poor peasants but Mau is a national resource that doesn't just belong to Kalenjin or Maasai. It's bigger than politics.
In short I don't see how Kenya has lost from the Handshake. Just perfect timely brakes on Uhuruto ignorance. Only universal healthcare and tivets make sense and that's all they should focus on. Stuff that doesn't need billions of dollars in debt. You can't borrow your way to prosperity - takes much more than that and neither Uhuru nor Ruto has what it takes.
Sorry Pundit, Uhuruto was only a mean LOOTING machine. The residual popularity Ruto is battling to keep - is because he is a good spin master but the architect of bankruptcy - no economic loss has been caused by his absence.
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I am okay. SGR has ended in maize plantation because Chinese are not sure what game Uhuru is playing. When he went with Raila to ask for funding - Chinese asked if he intended to run again - and because he was non-committal - Chinese also backed off.
The country is bleeding because Uhuru is trying to appease a monster.
Are you OK, Bwana Pundit? What happened to all the Pollyanna stuff you've been peddling?
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Kenyans are tribal but not in Kichwa mbaya moronic interpretation. You cannot just tell people to jump from A to B. You have to explain it. Uhuru has failed to explain why Mt Kenya should suddenly embrace Raila and handshake. Moi lost Kalenjin and kenya when he switched to Uhuru suddenly - after running ant-gema platform for many years. Even Ruto to decouple Kalenjin from ODM was not easy.
I tell you what Mt Kenya are never boarding Mv Raila. Just don't see that happening. Mt Kenya have invested 20yrs hatred on Raila and everything he represents. If Uhuru want to kicked out - and he will - because he is lameduck anyway - he will be kicked out and even Ndindi can replace him. Only Luos can be dragged left and right in kenya without as much as any regard.
Pundit is very objective except where Ruto is concerned. Suddenly Kenyans are not tribal and Kikuyus will support Ruto. They are deserting him one by one as the cost of that option skyrockets.
I don't believe Uhuru ever bought the fake patronizing loyalty. As Ruto looted and planned mlolongo, Uhuru and his Matiang'is were plotting how to cut him off immediately after the swearing in.
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I am okay. SGR has ended in maize plantation because Chinese are not sure what game Uhuru is playing. When he went with Raila to ask for funding - Chinese asked if he intended to run again - and because he was non-committal - Chinese also backed off.
I read a fair amount of fairly credible and public information to the effect Kung Fu wanted to see studies on commercial viability etc. Where can I find similar information on what they asked Uhuru about his electoral plans?
Anyways … reason I asked if you were OK is that all along JUBILEE 50:50 has, according to you been doing one heck of a job, and Kenya would soon leap-frog into the First World. Days of Wine and Roses, in glorious tropical sunlight, forever. That was what was dished up for us. But now, and all of a sudden, the place is supposedly going to the dogs. And your man Ruto, after all that JUBILEE 50:50, supposedly has nothing to do with it. (Except for the stealing part.) Right?
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Jubilee 1.0 did great. Economy has expanded from 55B(actually 42B before rebasing) to nearly 100B. Gov tax collections have doubled from 700B that Kibaki left to 1.6 trillion. Jubilee has improved electricity connection from 30% to 75%. It has improved the road network from 11-12k to 19K.
But I am afraid handshake and infighting in gov will make all this naught. Uhuru may become a kibaki - growing economy at 7% - then presiding over a civil war- at 1.7%.
Uhuru has to dump the handshake and Raila. The civil war in Mt Kenya and Jubilee will end. Jubilee parliament, gov and everyone else will start to read from the same page & development will become top priority.
So my advice to Uhuru - Raila is kabut - he cannot goes trouble anymore - so time to dump him - and endorse Ruto for 2012. Everything will start to right again.
All that fueled by debt and almost zero organic growth. Its the policy and decisions made in the first 5yrs of jubilee that are ailing the economy now. There's nothing like universal health care, hell there's barely any basic healthcare in Kenya. When the government offers free maternity, unless someone is very desperate who would want to take their wife to pumwani? The key is having policies to lift people from poverty so that they can afford decent healthcare.
My question has always been what would Ruto do different as president that he hasn't been able to do as a DP?
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I am sure I read such info from credible news - Economist or Reuters. There is no denying that Jubilee managed to achieve a lot in first term because unity of purpose. When gov start fighting each other like NARA - then economy will grow 4% (before rebasing) - instead of 6% like Jubilee did. Now look at KQ & JKIA mess - Ruto is said (again read this economist) to have blocked it because they are not talking well with Uhuru - Uhuru badly need his family bank loans paid by KQ.
Jubilee pullin off SGR in 3yrs is stuff of legends. But it ended in maize plantation. Chinese don't care about commercial viability. Uhuru can get the money if he wants today - he just need to give some collateral.
I read a fair amount of fairly credible and public information to the effect Kung Fu wanted to see studies on commercial viability etc. Where can I find similar information on what they asked Uhuru about his electoral plans?
Anyways … reason I asked if you were OK is that all along JUBILEE 50:50 has, according to you been doing one heck of a job, and Kenya would soon leap-frog into the First World. Days of Wine and Roses, in glorious tropical sunlight, forever. That was what was dished up for us. But now, and all of a sudden, the place is supposedly going to the dogs. And your man Ruto, after all that JUBILEE 50:50, supposedly has nothing to do with it. (Except for the stealing part.) Right?
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Jubilee found the debts was around 25B dollars - and has doubled it 55B dollars - that is addition of 30B dollars - and economy has grown by 50B- so roughly Jubilee has leveraged well.Kibaki also borrowed heavily - although to his credit he reduced the debt to gdp from 60%(Moi) to 45% or around. But to do that Kibaki SOLD MANY gov jewels...Kengen, Safaricom etc. Jubilee have yet to sell any gov rabbit.
All that fueled by debt and almost zero organic growth. Its the policy and decisions made in the first 5yrs of jubilee that are ailing the economy now. There's nothing like universal health care, hell there's barely any basic healthcare in Kenya. When the government offers free maternity, unless someone is very desperate who would want to take their wife to pumwani? The key is having policies to lift people from poverty so that they can afford decent healthcare.
My question has always been what would Ruto do different as president that he hasn't been able to do as a DP?
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Moonki here is the article from Economist
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/06/29/china-is-thinking-twice-about-lending-to-africa
When Mr Kenyatta and his delegation arrived in Beijing in May, they were treated to an unfamiliar experience, according to a presidential adviser. The Kenyans were questioned not only about their sums, but about corruption. Mr Kenyatta was asked how he would afford a census and a referendum on constitutional change. The Chinese even wanted to know if he planned to stand for office again (he is obliged to stand down in 2022). “It was like talking to the World Bank,” grumbled another aide.
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I am sure I read such info from credible news - Economist or Reuters. There is no denying that Jubilee managed to achieve a lot in first term because unity of purpose. When gov start fighting each other like NARA - then economy will grow 4% (before rebasing) - instead of 6% like Jubilee did. Now look at KQ & JKIA mess - Ruto is said (again read this economist) to have blocked it because they are not talking well with Uhuru - Uhuru badly need his family bank loans paid by KQ.
Jubilee pullin off SGR in 3yrs is stuff of legends. But it ended in maize plantation. Chinese don't care about commercial viability. Uhuru can get the money if he wants today - he just need to give some collateral.
So how does Uhuru running again become collateral to anything?
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Jubilee found the debts was around 25B dollars - and has doubled it 55B dollars - that is addition of 30B dollars - and economy has grown by 50B- so roughly Jubilee has leveraged well.Kibaki also borrowed heavily - although to his credit he reduced the debt to gdp from 60%(Moi) to 45% or around. But to do that Kibaki SOLD MANY gov jewels...Kengen, Safaricom etc. Jubilee have yet to sell any gov rabbit.
All that fueled by debt and almost zero organic growth. Its the policy and decisions made in the first 5yrs of jubilee that are ailing the economy now. There's nothing like universal health care, hell there's barely any basic healthcare in Kenya. When the government offers free maternity, unless someone is very desperate who would want to take their wife to pumwani? The key is having policies to lift people from poverty so that they can afford decent healthcare.
My question has always been what would Ruto do different as president that he hasn't been able to do as a DP?
Gov raised less than 5b through privatization. The budget deficit under kibaki was never over 4%. This heavy government spending mostly overpriced has led to crippling of the private sector. Mind you in kenya private sector represents more than 90% of the economy. A perfect example of what ails the country is pedestrian bridges being constructed on thika rd. 4 bridges cost a whopping ksh1.1b. By eliminating bumps on the highway it'll reduce traffic jam, this is obviously good for the economy. But the effect on economy is reduced due to overpricing and delays. It'd probably cost 100m for all those bridges, so in essence the economy is being sucked 1b and that money goes to an individual. There're many projects like that in Kenya.
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Who is generating all these revenues...now approaching 20B dollars...if the economy was struggling..it would show in economic data. We know sectors that are struggling now...real estata and construction..for example.
Gov raised less than 5b through privatization. The budget deficit under kibaki was never over 4%. This heavy government spending mostly overpriced has led to crippling of the private sector. Mind you in kenya private sector represents more than 90% of the economy. A perfect example of what ails the country is pedestrian bridges being constructed on thika rd. 4 bridges cost a whopping ksh1.1b. By eliminating bumps on the highway it'll reduce traffic jam, this is obviously good for the economy. But the effect on economy is reduced due to overpricing and delays. It'd probably cost 100m for all those bridges, so in essence the economy is being sucked 1b and that money goes to an individual. There're many projects like that in Kenya.
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Because Uhuru is not ready to give a collateral - Chinese asked them about politics and feasibility studies.Everyone and their mother knows Nairobi-Malaba is not viable unless Uganda commit to carry their cargo on it.
So how does Uhuru running again become collateral to anything?
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Who is generating all these revenues...now approaching 20B dollars...if the economy was struggling..it would show in economic data. We know sectors that are struggling now...real estata and construction..for example.
Gov raised less than 5b through privatization. The budget deficit under kibaki was never over 4%. This heavy government spending mostly overpriced has led to crippling of the private sector. Mind you in kenya private sector represents more than 90% of the economy. A perfect example of what ails the country is pedestrian bridges being constructed on thika rd. 4 bridges cost a whopping ksh1.1b. By eliminating bumps on the highway it'll reduce traffic jam, this is obviously good for the economy. But the effect on economy is reduced due to overpricing and delays. It'd probably cost 100m for all those bridges, so in essence the economy is being sucked 1b and that money goes to an individual. There're many projects like that in Kenya.
That's driven by huge budgets. If you hired one million civil servants the government would collect billions from PAYE but that doesn't mean there's marginal difference to the economy. Its literally shifting money from one pocket to the other.
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Gov taxes private sector too.Agriculture is doing okay. Manufacturing is doing okay.Tourism is doing fine. Financial & Intermediation doing okay.Transportation, ICT, name them are okay. Only real estate and construction have serious issues now.
That's driven by huge budgets. If you hired one million civil servants the government would collect billions from PAYE but that doesn't mean there's marginal difference to the economy. Its literally shifting money from one pocket to the other.
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Look like it backfired badly - they didn't even charge him.
Raila and BBI and Handshake - Jubilee imekataa kata kata. You cannot force it. Or use money on it.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001341428/no-charges-against-kiharu-mp-nyoro
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Of course Tanga Tanga have rejected the Handshake. That's not news. The real work is taking the party from Uhuru's grasp. It next to impossible without outright UDM-like mayhem. I told you Jubilee would need GSU or Recce to keep the peace :D - to hold a mere PG or delegate conference. With Handshake Uhuru has a carte blanche to rain blows on Ruto midgets until 2022.
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Kieleweke are stuck with Maina Kamabda and Wambugu...of the 67 GEMA MPs nearly 60 are backing Ruto..nearly all from Nakuru,Laikipia,Meru,Tharaka,Embu,most of central 5 counties and Nairobi are backing Ruto.Outside GEMA nearly all Jubilee MPs except Kuttuny and few in Gusii are Ruto damu.Its been two years since Nancy and Kibicho got the assignment..and yet in their counties of muranga and nyeri they have zero traction.. despite the billions expended, the police forces,KRA,DCI,NIS and DPP.Tell me of any failed project like that.Their trump card is BBI otherwise Uhuru is a lame duck going home.BBI referendum is the rubbicon..if Uhuru is serious we will know then.
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I see you have a new "rubicon" called referendum. All your redlines recede with the horizon as we approach them. Ruto does not have enough muscle to counter Uhuru. The fight is at his doorstep and he can't fight back. We are watching live circus as the Gema mnofu is brutally pulled out of his jaws.
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Kieleweke are stuck with Maina Kamabda and Wambugu...of the 67 GEMA MPs nearly 60 are backing Ruto..nearly all from Nakuru,Laikipia,Meru,Tharaka,Embu,most of central 5 counties and Nairobi are backing Ruto.Outside GEMA nearly all Jubilee MPs except Kuttuny and few in Gusii are Ruto damu.Its been two years since Nancy and Kibicho got the assignment..and yet in their counties of muranga and nyeri they have zero traction.. despite the billions expended, the police forces,KRA,DCI,NIS and DPP.Tell me of any failed project like that.Their trump card is BBI otherwise Uhuru is a lame duck going home.BBI referendum is the rubbicon..if Uhuru is serious we will know then.
Which 60 are supporting ruto?
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Ruto is being milked dry.
Robina you are funny ati ruto munofu is being pulled out of his jaws
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Moonki here is the article from Economist
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/06/29/china-is-thinking-twice-about-lending-to-africa
When Mr Kenyatta and his delegation arrived in Beijing in May, they were treated to an unfamiliar experience, according to a presidential adviser. The Kenyans were questioned not only about their sums, but about corruption. Mr Kenyatta was asked how he would afford a census and a referendum on constitutional change. The Chinese even wanted to know if he planned to stand for office again (he is obliged to stand down in 2022). “It was like talking to the World Bank,” grumbled another aide.
I see. The article does say that they "even" asked him if he intended to run again. What I don't see is anything that would lead you the conclusion that that was the main reason for Kenya's failure to get a loan .... where you write that
- Chinese asked if he intended to run again - and because he was non-committal - Chinese also backed off.
Instead, had you read the entire Economist article and not just that one line, you would have found a more plausible reason:
A railway between Djibouti and Addis Ababa, completed in 2017, cost China’s state-owned insurer Sinosure $1bn in losses, its chief economist said last year.
(If you really know about Chinese finding of African etc. projects, then I'm sure you must have been aware of all the news---in China and outside China---of Sinosure and Exim's concerns about dodgy loans.)
By the way, given how much that one "even" line the Economist excited you, and your apparent faith in the "credible news", did you see the other lines in the same article? The ones that come before the throw-away "even" one ...
Kenya’s railway has had its critics from the outset. Corruption made it a ludicrously expensive venture, costing twice the international average per kilometre of track. The railway’s freight-carrying capacity was miscalculated and has proved to be only 40% of what was predicted. It was meant to be cheaper to ship goods up the line than send them by road. Even though the opposite has proved true, Mr Kenyatta’s government has forced all containers coming out of the port onto the railway. Hapless traders in Mombasa have to pay for goods arriving by sea to be sent to Nairobi and back again as a result. China seems to have belatedly realised that throwing good money after bad would be an error. So it is embracing caution instead.
"Stuff of legends"? Kenyan legends, perhaps. But Chinese workers putting up structures quickly---relative to what Kenyans would have done, if they knew how to do the job, which they still don't---is not uncommon, and I can't imagine why Chinese abilities should excite you so much. I would rather you told me about Kenyan legends (other than "eating", of course).
And you also seem to have confused yourself in writing that
Chinese don't care about commercial viability. Uhuru can get the money if he wants today - he just need to give some collateral.
They don't care about commercial viability, but they want collateral? Very strange people.
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Gov taxes private sector too.Agriculture is doing okay. Manufacturing is doing okay.Tourism is doing fine. Financial & Intermediation doing okay.Transportation, ICT, name them are okay. Only real estate and construction have serious issues now.
The latest Quarterly GDP report from KNBS shows a slowdown in all sectors of the economy.
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A healthy growing economy doesn't necessitates "brutal cuts" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-12/kenya-vows-brutal-travel-cuts-as-3-6-billion-of-projects-stall?srnd=premium-africa . Why do we have stalled projects? Anyhow chicken are coming home to roost. Meanwhile the Kenya shilling has lost sh20 since 2013 to 2019, from 86 to now 106.
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2nd Q or 1st Q - I think 1Q - we at nearly 24B dollars. I think despite all the problems - we will be very shy of 100B dollars this year.
The latest Quarterly GDP report from KNBS shows a slowdown in all sectors of the economy.
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The pending bills - they need to sort that out - I think it's been addressed because it was causing problems to everyone - from banks (NPL) to economy. Kshs has depreciated less than nearly all other Africa currencies. Check at say Tanzania or Uganda or Nigeria or South Africa. Kibaki at some point had kshs 63 then I remember Kimunya sweating when it got 107. CBK as always wanted Kshs depreciated to 100 - and that has been the sweatspot - but UG/TZ depriciation makes our exports there expensive - and their imports cheap-- and that is the problem we have now.
A healthy growing economy doesn't necessitates "brutal cuts" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-12/kenya-vows-brutal-travel-cuts-as-3-6-billion-of-projects-stall?srnd=premium-africa . Why do we have stalled projects? Anyhow chicken are coming home to roost. Meanwhile the Kenya shilling has lost sh20 since 2013 to 2019, from 86 to now 106.
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The pending bills - they need to sort that out - I think it's been addressed because it was causing problems to everyone - from banks (NPL) to economy. Kshs has depreciated less than nearly all other Africa currencies. Check at say Tanzania or Uganda or Nigeria or South Africa. Kibaki at some point had kshs 63 then I remember Kimunya sweating when it got 107. CBK as always wanted Kshs depreciated to 100 - and that has been the sweatspot - but UG/TZ depriciation makes our exports there expensive - and their imports cheap-- and that is the problem we have now.
A healthy growing economy doesn't necessitates "brutal cuts" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-12/kenya-vows-brutal-travel-cuts-as-3-6-billion-of-projects-stall?srnd=premium-africa . Why do we have stalled projects? Anyhow chicken are coming home to roost. Meanwhile the Kenya shilling has lost sh20 since 2013 to 2019, from 86 to now 106.
The reason for pending bills is cause government doesn't have money(enough). The government can't raise enough revenue to meet the envisioned budget while at the same time treasury is trying to keep budget deficit at least below 7%. Last financial yr, budget deficit was 7.7%, that's nosebleed level. This budget deficit and heavy spending on ill-thought out projects is going to haunt jubilee. Or we might muddle along with an economy which dynamism is hampered despite GDP number both nominal and real GDP.
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I think deficit is now down to 5% and target is 3.5% in medium term.. we are not borrowing just refinancing..we need to restart privitazation when NSE bear run ends
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I think deficit is now down to 5% and target is 3.5% in medium term.. we are not borrowing just refinancing..we need to restart privitazation when NSE bear run ends
The last financial year budget deficit was 7.7% and it was probably higher if we factor in things like pensions. This will only exacerbate since jubilee government keep raising budget size without commensurate kra collection to finance the budget.
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2018/2019 - was 6.3 per cent. This year the target is 5.6%. Medium term Treasury is 3%. We are not doing any leveraging. Just refinancing. This year I think we are set to repay 6-7B dollars and borrow 6-8B dollars. Our gdp this year will be 99-100B dollars.
The last financial year budget deficit was 7.7% and it was probably higher if we factor in things like pensions. This will only exacerbate since jubilee government keep raising budget size without commensurate kra collection to finance the budget.
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2018/2019 - was 6.3 per cent. This year the target is 5.6%. Medium term Treasury is 3%. We are not doing any leveraging. Just refinancing. This year I think we are set to repay 6-7B dollars and borrow 6-8B dollars. Our gdp this year will be 99-100B dollars.
The last financial year budget deficit was 7.7% and it was probably higher if we factor in things like pensions. This will only exacerbate since jubilee government keep raising budget size without commensurate kra collection to finance the budget.
Budget deficit was 7.4% to 7.7% (need to verify the numbers from cbk) https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Interest-rate-law-seen-blocking-bid-to-cut-fiscal-deficit/3946234-5274538-10buu2t/index.html or https://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFN6N1HI02B?feedType=RSS&feedName=kenyaNews . The rest are just projections that hasn't materialized .
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2018/2019 - was 6.3 per cent. This year the target is 5.6%. Medium term Treasury is 3%. We are not doing any leveraging. Just refinancing. This year I think we are set to repay 6-7B dollars and borrow 6-8B dollars. Our gdp this year will be 99-100B dollars.
You keep going on and on about this figure. What is so special about 100B dollars? That figure is well above the GDP of, say, Luxembourg. But I doubt that you will find anyone claiming that Kenya is somehow really richer or economically better off than Luxembourg. What is the difference? Read on.
We did this one in Standard 6. (You must have been absent that day.) Instead of looking at raw GDP, it is more meaningful to look at GDP per capita, especially when adjusted for purchasing power. How does Kenya do when one looks at that? You can easily find the latest figures from the IMF and the World Bank, but you will have to scroll far down the lists to locate Kenya. Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
When the figures are properly interpreted, Kenya isn't doing that much better than Tanzania, which you have sometimes derided here, or, say, Zambia, which has an even smaller GDP. And the growth in the meaningful figures isn't that great. You need to give up this idea that there are economic wonders taking place in Kenya that will soon lift Kenyans to some economic heaven.
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Because 100B dollars is huge threshold for an economy that was around 12B dollars in 2003. That in 15yrs we have turned 12B to 100B is worth celebrating.If we keep the tempo - we could easily become a trillion dollar economy before 2040. Treasury projections are in 2023 when Uhuru exist - we will be 150B dollar economy (gdp per capita around 3K usd). That Jubilee grew the economy of average 6% is
also commendable. Our gdp per capita has hit 2000 dollars. We long became a lower-middle class economy - and we certainly will become a upper middle class (Like South Africa) before 2030.
Now what were you going on and on about - std 6? per capita (ppp)? This GDP has grown because gov is nailing many things. Electrification is at 75% from 15% 10yrs ago? We have doubled the paved roads from 11K in 2013 to nearly 20K now.
You keep going on and on about this figure. What is so special about 100B dollars? That figure is well above the GDP of, say, Luxembourg. But I doubt that you will find anyone claiming that Kenya is somehow really richer or economically better off than Luxembourg. What is the difference? Read on.
We did this one in Standard 6. (You must have been absent that day.) Instead of looking at raw GDP, it is more meaningful to look at GDP per capita, especially when adjusted for purchasing power. How does Kenya do when one looks at that? You can easily find the latest figures from the IMF and the World Bank, but you will have to scroll far down the lists to locate Kenya. Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
When the figures are properly interpreted, Kenya isn't doing that much better than Tanzania, which you have sometimes derided here, or, say, Zambia, which has an even smaller GDP. And the growth in the meaningful figures isn't that great. You need to give up this idea that there are economic wonders taking place in Kenya that will soon lift Kenyans to some economic heaven.
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Because 100B dollars is huge threshold for an economy that was around 12B dollars in 2003. That in 15yrs we have turned 12B to 100B is worth celebrating.If we keep the tempo - we could easily become a trillion dollar economy before 2040. Treasury projections are in 2023 when Uhuru exist - we will be 150B dollar economy (gdp per capita around 3K usd). That Jubilee grew the economy of average 6% is
also commendable. Our gdp per capita has hit 2000 dollars. We long became a lower-middle class economy - and we certainly will become a upper middle class (Like South Africa) before 2030.
Sigh. You missed it again. Let me try in a simpler manner: it's not just the amount of money you have in your pocket that matters; it's what you can get with it.
Trillion dollar economy by 2040, eh? Sounds great. I hope that at the time Kenya will have moved from the bottom of the GDP per capita (basic or PPP) to at least a number smaller than 140. As things currently stand, you can celebrate and jerk off all you want over Jubilee miracles and x% and trillions of dollars by whenever, but the ranks are what they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Paved roads ... can't eat them. But even if you could, many of them tend to disappear with every rainy season. Amazing electrification: that I can see more myself, because industry and manufacturing are really humming along nicely from all that electrical juice. :-)
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You keep shifting goal posts as kenya progress forward and scores again. All indicators have seen - from poverty to infrastructure to social safety net - are all looking up. In East Africa - we are the only Low Middle Income Country. We only country that has medium HDI. I can go on and on. Kenya is on the right path.
But obviously somebody who thinks roads should be ate to be of importance is surely waste of my time and energy.
Sigh. You missed it again. Let me try in a simpler manner: it's not just the amount of money you have in your pocket that matters; it's what you can get with it.
Trillion dollar economy by 2040, eh? Sounds great. I hope that at the time Kenya will have moved from the bottom of the GDP per capita (basic or PPP) to at least a number smaller than 140. As things currently stand, you can celebrate and jerk off all you want over Jubilee miracles and x% and trillions of dollars by whenever, but the ranks are what they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Paved roads ... can't eat them. But even if you could, many of them tend to disappear with every rainy season. Amazing electrification: that I can see more myself, because industry and manufacturing are really humming along nicely from all that electrical juice. :-)
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Kenya is doing ok but only relatively. It basically C- compared to TZ D plain. Rwanda B plain. Burundi E. It is hopeless to compare developed vs 3rd world. If Jubilee had a whiff of sense past their below average - Kenya would be on its way to an emerging market. Which means you're emerging from the rock bottom of the pyramid into something noticeable. For now we are not even considered a "market" - cause we are not. There is a big chasm between 3rd world to emerging - which is much bigger than emerging to developed. The demographic dividend is a big deal that can get us there.