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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on June 25, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
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https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/nairobi/2019-06-25-uhuru-is-too-young-to-retire-in-2022-sonko-says/
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I doubt it otherwise Babu would not go for it. The Sonkos and Atwolis will continue testing the waters and prepping folks until BBI proposals firm up. Parliamentary will be seen as inclusion - likely bundled with more devolution, more CDF & ward funds, gender parity and name it.
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I thought Sonko and Kuria were Tanga Tanga crew :)
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Even Baba cannot help Uhuru in this scheme. The minute Baba comes up with it, the next minute Orengo and other potential successors in Luoland will pounce on this chance to break Baba's hold on ODM.
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I see you're really batting for Babu. Babu offer is inferior and at what cost. Uhuru & GEMA elect Raila's PORK for 7 yrs (ceremonial my arse) and Raila is not suppose not to betray & avenge all they have done to him - and go ahead & appoint Uhuru :). The first business of ceremonial PORK will be to ammend the laws and katiba to crawl back on power - long before any PM is appointed - or to even refuse to appoint PM like Sonko has done.
Uhuru either get term extension or makes a deal with Ruto ; anything else is not rational.
I doubt it otherwise Babu would not go for it. The Sonkos and Atwolis will continue testing the waters and prepping folks until BBI proposals firm up. Parliamentary will be seen as inclusion - likely bundled with more devolution, more CDF & ward funds, gender parity and name it.
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I thought Sonko and Kuria were Tanga Tanga crew :)
Kuria called for the La Murder meetings. I doubt he is tanga tanga. Looks to me like a moderate or a backslidden tanga tanga goon
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CEREMONIAL - repeat after me - elected by Parliament. He appears on portraits or such - like Israel or Ethiopia president - but nothing more. Exec PM is the leader of majority party/coalition - not appointed by PORK. Basically once your party or coalition wins majority in the National Assembly, you become PM automatically. Once we have parliamentary in place, it is a fresh start and Ruto can be Raila DPM :) - as he help Raila to betray Uhuru. Instead of running with Waiguru.
I see you're really batting for Babu. Babu offer is inferior and at what cost. Uhuru & GEMA elect Raila's PORK for 7 yrs (ceremonial my arse) and Raila is not suppose not to betray & avenge all they have done to him - and go ahead & appoint Uhuru :). The first business of ceremonial PORK will be to ammend the laws and katiba to crawl back on power - long before any PM is appointed - or to even refuse to appoint PM like Sonko has done.
Uhuru either get term extension or makes a deal with Ruto ; anything else is not rational.
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Kuria like most Mt. Kenya MP's who had sworn allegiance to Ruto is doing a moonwalk back into safe territory where they can watch opportunistically as things unfold. It is a very difficult time for all politicians until the future becomes clearer.
I thought Sonko and Kuria were Tanga Tanga crew :)
Kuria called for the La Murder meetings. I doubt he is tanga tanga. Looks to me like a moderate or a backslidden tanga tanga goon
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I thought Sonko and Kuria were Tanga Tanga crew :)
Kuria called for the La Murder meetings. I doubt he is tanga tanga. Looks to me like a moderate or a backslidden tanga tanga goon
I was being sarcastic - those two amigos are becoming another Ruto headache with their Wanjiku Movement - targeting Ruto's Hustler Nation brand.
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Why do we have to go for election to elect a dead portrait that cannot even be printed on our money. Already PORK now is largely ceremonial compared to MOI.You see Uhuru loosing his head, having his win annualed and generally biatching about judiciary. Constitution has taken most powers - and given it to independent bodies and arms. And then go further and devolved lots of power to governors.Now you want to split the already dead thing - while creating regional govs - who will have powerful governors - and we have 47 counties with governors. Probably devolved 50% of the money.
And then we go to elect ceremonial pork - PM - and so many deputies. What a joke. This thing cannot be shared any further. It becomes meaningless.
My friend bring us this BBI - so we can laugh out LOUD.
What has saved Uhuru - is clawing back at constitution - to retain stuff like prov admi - go rogue and make Police report to him (they are independent) - and basically many illegal stuff to try to protect his PORK.
CEREMONIAL - repeat after me - elected by Parliament. He appears on portraits or such - like Israel or Ethiopia president - but nothing more. Exec PM is the leader of majority party/coalition - not appointed by PORK. Basically once your party or coalition wins majority in the National Assembly, you become PM automatically. Once we have parliamentary in place, it is a fresh start and Ruto can be Raila DPM :) - as he help Raila to betray Uhuru. Instead of running with Waiguru.
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Which Wanjiku want Uhuru term extended. Maybe they mean Wanjiku Wanjiku. Not the proverbial Moi's wanjiku. These are people who do not want to be victimized by Kibicho and company - and are looking for middle ground.
I was being sarcastic - those two amigos are becoming another Ruto headache with their Wanjiku Movement - targeting Ruto's Hustler Nation brand.
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We are a pure presidential system - in the US mold. Now we want to go Parliamentary - as had been negotiated at length in the Bomas and original CoE Drafts - before PNU and Ruto desecrated it at Naivasha. It's not rocket science - the JSC, SRC, CRA, etc - will continue to check the Executive esp PM who can still go rogue. Ceremonial President object is not power-sharing but a national symbol of unity, sovereignty, portraits, swearing in judges, etc. Officials swear allegiance to Queen & Country, warships are labeled HMS - yet she is not even C-in-C. PM is pure leader of the Executive - summoned and grilled by MPs or courts - without "Head of State" nonsense which allow him impunity to "maintain respect for the office". Fat indolent types need not apply.
As for regional govt Babu and Uhuru are smart enough to know it won't fly. Additionally they can leverage bigger devolution slice, CDFs, gender parity and such sweeteners.
Of course Ruto can propose Opposition Leader, etc - if he has a better plan than Aukot. Or well, he can lead No again.
Why do we have to go for election to elect a dead portrait that cannot even be printed on our money. Already PORK now is largely ceremonial compared to MOI.You see Uhuru loosing his head, having his win annualed and generally biatching about judiciary. Constitution has taken most powers - and given it to independent bodies and arms. And then go further and devolved lots of power to governors.Now you want to split the already dead thing - while creating regional govs - who will have powerful governors - and we have 47 counties with governors. Probably devolved 50% of the money.
And then we go to elect ceremonial pork - PM - and so many deputies. What a joke. This thing cannot be shared any further. It becomes meaningless.
My friend bring us this BBI - so we can laugh out LOUD.
What has saved Uhuru - is clawing back at constitution - to retain stuff like prov admi - go rogue and make Police report to him (they are independent) - and basically many illegal stuff to try to protect his PORK.
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The same Wanjikü or Khadija who elected ICC indictees. She also accepts handout portions of her own looted taxes as "generosity". Or believe a billionaire is a "hustler". She's none the wiser.
Which Wanjiku want Uhuru term extended. Maybe they mean Wanjiku Wanjiku. Not the proverbial Moi's wanjiku. These are people who do not want to be victimized by Kibicho and company - and are looking for middle ground.
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Sounds all good. So Uhuru the lazybone will be doing all donkey work - for Raila - who will be acting as the Queen or King of Kenya. Some jokes are not serious. Kenya do not want a parliamentary system. It that simple. They want to elect the substantive PORK or PM. Then PM or PORK can appoint the ceremonial dude - because we do not want many competing centers of power.
Anyway it literally took a war to get last constitution.
Now you want us to ammend the constitution for two desperate people who have refused to retire :) despite having served as PM and PORK :)
Everyone will be going to the referendum - Kalonzo, Mudavadis - all of them will be part of this imagine charade whose beneficiary is Raila and Uhuru :)
You're courting a revolt - because the line of leaders waiting for those position is long. Kalonzo be waiting for 30yrs now :)
Last time Ruto got 31% opposing it. This time Ruto will get 61% opposing BBI if it ever get there. It cannot even pass parliament then 24 counties.
First let us get the BBI - come up with their illegal output - and we can proceed from there.
We are a pure presidential system - in the US mold. Now we want to go Parliamentary - as had been negtiated at length in the Bomas and original CoE Drafts - before PNU and Ruto desecrated it at Naivasha. It's not rocket science - the JSC, SRC, CRA, etc - will continue to check the Executive esp PM who can still go rogue. Ceremonial President object is not power-sharing but a national symbol of unity, sovereignty, portraits, swearing in judges, etc. Officials swear allegiance to Queen & Country, warships are labeled HMS - yet she is not even C-in-C. PM is pure leader of the Executive - summoned and grilled by MPs or courts - without "Head of State" nonsense which allow him impunity to "maintain respect for the office". Fat indolent types need not apply.
As for regional govt Babu and Uhuru are smart enough to know it won't fly. Additionally they can leverage bigger devolution slice, CDFs, gender parity and such sweeteners.
Of course Ruto can propose Opposition Leader, etc - if he has a better plan than Aukot. Or well, he can lead No again.
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How to govern people should be continuously and constantly be experimented upon. The winner take all system is not working, especially the Ouruto experiment of Kikuyu/Kalenjin domination. I am glad Ouru woke up and smelt the coffee. Ruto too will soon realize that pursuing a purely kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance is an exercise in futility. I cannot understand why the Kalenjin are stuck in the failed model when the entire country including Kikuyus have figured this thing out. Stability is everything, and handshake and NARA brought instant stability. What more experiments do you need to know that what works in Kenya is a more inclusive system of government and not winner takes all especially the Kalenjin/Gema arrangement which requires heavy rigging and refusal to open the server for them to "win" and take all.
Why do we have to go for election to elect a dead portrait that cannot even be printed on our money. Already PORK now is largely ceremonial compared to MOI.You see Uhuru loosing his head, having his win annualed and generally biatching about judiciary. Constitution has taken most powers - and given it to independent bodies and arms. And then go further and devolved lots of power to governors.Now you want to split the already dead thing - while creating regional govs - who will have powerful governors - and we have 47 counties with governors. Probably devolved 50% of the money.
And then we go to elect ceremonial pork - PM - and so many deputies. What a joke. This thing cannot be shared any further. It becomes meaningless.
My friend bring us this BBI - so we can laugh out LOUD.
What has saved Uhuru - is clawing back at constitution - to retain stuff like prov admi - go rogue and make Police report to him (they are independent) - and basically many illegal stuff to try to protect his PORK.
CEREMONIAL - repeat after me - elected by Parliament. He appears on portraits or such - like Israel or Ethiopia president - but nothing more. Exec PM is the leader of majority party/coalition - not appointed by PORK. Basically once your party or coalition wins majority in the National Assembly, you become PM automatically. Once we have parliamentary in place, it is a fresh start and Ruto can be Raila DPM :) - as he help Raila to betray Uhuru. Instead of running with Waiguru.
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What instability is there? elections are free and fair. You want Luo/Kikuyu alliance instead of Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance - same thing to me. This current constitution was perfect about 9yrs ago....what suddenly changed. We saw NARA and we didn't like it. It was quarrelsome and stressful. More like what we are starting to see in Jubilee. What we need are strong leaders like Ruto who can bring onboard everyone. Not share PORK until it's not recognizable.We don't need 5 leaders squabbling everyday while serving the same gov.
If you want to be part of gov - simple - join Jubilee.
How to govern people should be continuously and constantly be experimented upon. The winner take all system is not working, especially the Ouruto experiment of Kikuyu/Kalenjin domination. I am glad Ouru woke up and smelt the coffee. Ruto too will soon realize that pursuing a purely kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance is an exercise in futility. I cannot understand why the Kalenjin are stuck in the failed model when the entire country including Kikuyus have figured this thing out. Stability is everything, and handshake and NARA brought instant stability. What more experiments do you need to know that what works in Kenya is a more inclusive system of government and not winner takes all especially the Kalenjin/Gema arrangement which requires heavy rigging and refusal to open the server for them to "win" and take all.
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We should have referendums every year if that is what it takes to get it right. When we get it right like after the "handshake", the country knows it. Handshake was like having a terrible tooth ache and trying all kinds of remedies then one works instantly. Referendum is trying to find away to codify, or capture the handshake, or bottle it for posterity.
Sounds all good. So Uhuru the lazybone will be doing all donkey work - for Raila - who will be acting as the Queen or King of Kenya. Some jokes are not serious. Kenya do not want a parliamentary system. It that simple. They want to elect the substantive PORK or PM. Then PM or PORK can appoint the ceremonial dude - because we do not want many competing centers of power.
Anyway it literally took a war to get last constitution.
Now you want us to ammend the constitution for two desperate people who have refused to retire :) despite having served as PM and PORK :)
Everyone will be going to the referendum - Kalonzo, Mudavadis - all of them will be part of this imagine charade whose beneficiary is Raila and Uhuru :)
You're courting a revolt - because the line of leaders waiting for those position is long. Kalonzo be waiting for 30yrs now :)
Last time Ruto got 31% opposing it. This time Ruto will get 61% opposing BBI if it ever get there. It cannot even pass parliament then 24 counties.
First let us get the BBI - come up with their illegal output - and we can proceed from there.
We are a pure presidential system - in the US mold. Now we want to go Parliamentary - as had been negtiated at length in the Bomas and original CoE Drafts - before PNU and Ruto desecrated it at Naivasha. It's not rocket science - the JSC, SRC, CRA, etc - will continue to check the Executive esp PM who can still go rogue. Ceremonial President object is not power-sharing but a national symbol of unity, sovereignty, portraits, swearing in judges, etc. Officials swear allegiance to Queen & Country, warships are labeled HMS - yet she is not even C-in-C. PM is pure leader of the Executive - summoned and grilled by MPs or courts - without "Head of State" nonsense which allow him impunity to "maintain respect for the office". Fat indolent types need not apply.
As for regional govt Babu and Uhuru are smart enough to know it won't fly. Additionally they can leverage bigger devolution slice, CDFs, gender parity and such sweeteners.
Of course Ruto can propose Opposition Leader, etc - if he has a better plan than Aukot. Or well, he can lead No again.
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Sorry, but what exactly is the handshake. We should codify that two competing leader shake hands? and find another a job in AU :). I mean I can understand NARA. But handshake is plain personal deal btw two leaders.
We can have referendum every day if you can fulfill the constitution requirements - there is the threshold - and you voted YES. We told you to amend this constitution will be near impossible - I mean last one was tough with mere 2/3 of MPs - now this one is nearly impossible.
We should have referendums every year if that is what it takes to get it right. When we get it right like after the "handshake", the country knows it. Handshake was like having a terrible tooth ache and trying all kinds of remedies then one works instantly. Referendum is trying to find away to codify, or capture the handshake, or bottle it for posterity.
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Yes, that is how the Parliamentary system works. The Head of Executive does not double as Head of State which gives him impunity in shady places like Zamunda. He is held to account like poor Theresa May had to sweat over Brexit in the House of Commons. Exec PM is more accountable than PORK - what makes Uhuru accoubtable yet no MP or judge can summon him for 5 years? He is accountable cause Wanjikü elected him directly? Basically he is questioned once every 5 years - by gullible Wanjikü - while PM is accountable daily.
As for what Kenyans want - they vote Yes or No - the rest are details. If say 2010 Draft had Exec PM and Kibadinga support it - it would still have scored 70%. That's why BBI is a big deal - cause of leverage over the questions.
Ruto scored 30%... is this another "achievement" - a clean LOSS. :D Imagine Babu scored 70% - and the Yes coalition is intact. Kalonzo, Madvd, Weta, etc - are all Handshake folks. Without abortion and kadhi courts I doubt the priests or imams care about inclusion vs hustlers. Ruto and his pastoralists can hook up with Aukot and NGO types if any of them trust the wolf.
Sounds all good. So Uhuru the lazybone will be doing all donkey work - for Raila - who will be acting as the Queen or King of Kenya. Some jokes are not serious. Kenya do not want a parliamentary system. It that simple. They want to elect the substantive PORK or PM. Then PM or PORK can appoint the ceremonial dude - because we do not want many competing centers of power.
Anyway it literally took a war to get last constitution.
Now you want us to ammend the constitution for two desperate people who have refused to retire :) despite having served as PM and PORK :)
Everyone will be going to the referendum - Kalonzo, Mudavadis - all of them will be part of this imagine charade whose beneficiary is Raila and Uhuru :)
You're courting a revolt - because the line of leaders waiting for those position is long. Kalonzo be waiting for 30yrs now :)
Last time Ruto got 31% opposing it. This time Ruto will get 61% opposing BBI if it ever get there. It cannot even pass parliament then 24 counties.
First let us get the BBI - come up with their illegal output - and we can proceed from there.
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If a day can be one year in politics, then imagine 9 years. We have had enough time with this constitution to figure out what works and what does not. The Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance under the winner take all scenario has been tried and it has failed miserably. I do not know the right tribal combination that will be optimum but at least now we know that any alliance that leaves either the kikuyu or luos out does not work. We know this because NARA and Handshake has worked to stabilize the country politically. We have not tried a tribal combination that leaves the Kalenjin completely out and I do not think we should. I guess that is why Ouru, Raila and Man Gidi are working together to try a broader combination that will rope in more tribes. If it was possible to have free and fair elections in Kenya I could deal with whatever tribal combination that comes from a free and fair elections. Since elections are rigged, I'd rather they rig it with inclusiveness in mind and not the Ruto model where he thinks he can rig in the Kikuyu/Kalenjin alliance for 100 years. Kenyans will never accept that combination again and I am glad Ouru figured that out before the country fall apart. I do not know where we would be today as a country without handshake.
What instability is there? elections are free and fair. You want Luo/Kikuyu alliance instead of Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance - same thing to me. This current constitution was perfect about 9yrs ago....what suddenly changed. We saw NARA and we didn't like it. It was quarrelsome and stressful. More like what we are starting to see in Jubilee. What we need are strong leaders like Ruto who can bring onboard everyone. Not share PORK until it's not recognizable.We don't need 5 leaders squabbling everyday while serving the same gov.
If you want to be part of gov - simple - join Jubilee.
How to govern people should be continuously and constantly be experimented upon. The winner take all system is not working, especially the Ouruto experiment of Kikuyu/Kalenjin domination. I am glad Ouru woke up and smelt the coffee. Ruto too will soon realize that pursuing a purely kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance is an exercise in futility. I cannot understand why the Kalenjin are stuck in the failed model when the entire country including Kikuyus have figured this thing out. Stability is everything, and handshake and NARA brought instant stability. What more experiments do you need to know that what works in Kenya is a more inclusive system of government and not winner takes all especially the Kalenjin/Gema arrangement which requires heavy rigging and refusal to open the server for them to "win" and take all.
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Everybody knows what handshake is. Its like pornography, you cannot define it but you know it when you see it. In the case of handshake, you can see it and feel it. We were at the brink of war and then handshake; and then stability and peace.
Sorry, but what exactly is the handshake. We should codify that two competing leader shake hands? and find another a job in AU :). I mean I can understand NARA. But handshake is plain personal deal btw two leaders.
We can have referendum every day if you can fulfill the constitution requirements - there is the threshold - and you voted YES. We told you to amend this constitution will be near impossible - I mean last one was tough with mere 2/3 of MPs - now this one is nearly impossible.
We should have referendums every year if that is what it takes to get it right. When we get it right like after the "handshake", the country knows it. Handshake was like having a terrible tooth ache and trying all kinds of remedies then one works instantly. Referendum is trying to find away to codify, or capture the handshake, or bottle it for posterity.
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You're very naive. The quality of our Mps and voters is about the same. Look at Africa - there are countries that practise what you preach - and there are worse off governance wise- because at end of the day - you talking Africa :) and it's ethnic-based raw power. Uganda has Prime Minister nobody has heard of. Ethiopia have president nobody cares about. Same way you have traffic lights and signs that nobody really cares about them. The mighty has their way.
Raila got 70% supporting what he didn't like - look at the overhaul he wants done - he voted 70% to get 30%. How stupid CAN you be. You go to Naivasha with parliamentary system and then just to become the winner - you propose presidential systems - and then you go ahead to support in a referendum.
Ruto had got 95% of all he wanted from the current constitution - but still voted NO anyway. If you look at Ruto's constitutional changes - he just wants few fixes. Basically, his biggest ask is Official Opposition Head role.
So you're engaged in what we called pyrrhic victory party. Ruto with his billions will literally buy that parliament if it gets there. Look at it now. Even Mt Kenya Mps have abandoned Uhuru whose is trying to get civil servants to do the job.
Going parliamentary will basically be auctioning the country to the highest bidder. You just need to bribe half the Mps for 5yrs. The presidential campaign cost a fortune....and a nobody cannot knick it. Parliamentary system - if you have some billions to spare - Mps will vote you in - and vote out the current guy - it will be unstable gov.
Yes, that is how the Parliamentary system works. The Head of Executive does not double as Head of State which gives him impunity in shady places like Zamunda. He is held to account like poor Theresa May had to sweat over Brexit in the House of Commons. Exec PM is more accountable than PORK - what makes Uhuru accoubtable he no MP or judge can summon him for 5 years? He is accountable cause Wanjikü elected him directly? Basically he is questioned once every 5 years - by gullible Wanjikü - while PM is accountable daily.
As for what Kenyans want - they vote Yes or No - the rest are details. If say 2010 Draft had Exec PM and Kibadinga support it - it would still have scored 70%. That's why BBI is a big deal - cause of leverage over the questions.
Ruto scored 30%... is this another "achievement" - a clean LOSS. :D Imagine Babu scored 70% - and the Yes coalition is intact. Kalonzo, Madvd, Weta, etc - are all Handshake folks. Without abortion and kadhi courts I doubt the priests or imams care about inclusion vs hustlers. Ruto and his pastoralists can hook up with Aukot and NGO types if any of them trust the wolf.
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Except there is no real sex involved. Just masturbation.
Everybody knows what handshake it. Its like pornography, you cannot define it but you know it when you see it.
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For those millions Kenyans outside Kalenjin and Gema country, handshake was real. You seem to think Kenya is all about Kalenjins and Kikuyus only.
Except there is no real sex involved. Just masturbation.
Everybody knows what handshake it. Its like pornography, you cannot define it but you know it when you see it.
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Is that why you rarely post here. That was a long depression. Patel turned revolutionary. Hopefully something good come of the handshake. I mean Raila sold all of you for nothing. He basically catipulated. In 2007 - Kalenjin had struggled to get him PM. Alone - he ended making a personal deal - and forget he had like 6M voters!
For those millions Kenyans outside Kalenjin and Gema country, handshake was real. You seem to think Kenya is all about Kalenjins and Kikuyus only.
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Don't conflate - Uganda is a presidential dictatorship - so PM is like Duale. Ethiopia is parliamentary - so you don't know the president - some woman. They are not contradictions but perfect examples. Of course you can't claim instability - Ethiopia survive cause you need a big inclusive coalition to govern. Nigeria if it was parliamentary would fare better - one man show leads to military coups. Most failed states were presidential - ethnic strife due to tribal dominance.
So presidential race is costly - it equally costly to bribe MPs - what's the difference? Remember you have party leaders - who lead the parties at elections - not any Sonko or Kabogo get to become PM. So if you're Ruto unhappy with Uhuru - you can only fire him or suck it up. No, you don't become PM yourself without fresh elections. You still sell your party to Wanjikü - with guaranteed oversight unlike now.
Ruto can still easily win PM just like he wants PORK. As PM he is more accoubtable than PORK. If he can bribe MPs not to hold him accountable, what about now when he's accountable to noone? And how is presidential stable or peaceful? NARC or Jubilee are failed warring parties lead by elected presidents.
Diverse countries need parliamentary - which would defeat RVGema dominance for instance - with 40% devolution - which is international standard.
You're very naive. The quality of our Mps and voters is about the same. Look at Africa - there are countries that practise what you preach - and there are worse off governance wise- because at end of the day - you talking Africa :) and it's ethnic-based raw power. Uganda has Prime Minister nobody has heard of. Ethiopia have president nobody cares about. Same way you have traffic lights and signs that nobody really cares about them. The mighty has their way.
Raila got 70% supporting what he didn't like - look at the overhaul he wants done - he voted 70% to get 30%. How stupid CAN you be. You go to Naivasha with parliamentary system and then just to become the winner - you propose presidential systems - and then you go ahead to support in a referendum.
Ruto had got 95% of all he wanted from the current constitution - but still voted NO anyway. If you look at Ruto's constitutional changes - he just wants few fixes. Basically, his biggest ask is Official Opposition Head role.
So you're engaged in what we called pyrrhic victory party. Ruto with his billions will literally buy that parliament if it gets there. Look at it now. Even Mt Kenya Mps have abandoned Uhuru whose is trying to get civil servants to do the job.
Going parliamentary will basically be auctioning the country to the highest bidder. You just need to bribe half the Mps for 5yrs. The presidential campaign cost a fortune....and a nobody cannot knick it. Parliamentary system - if you have some billions to spare - Mps will vote you in - and vote out the current guy - it will be unstable gov.
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RV Pundit, I am almost certain that Uhuru would not want to be any part of changing the process (through a Referendum or otherwise) to extend his stay in power, especially if the process means riding on Raila. Uhuru has always ridiculed these 'antics' that are a leitmotif of Raila in every season. This is certain to make Uhuru very unpopular with Kenyans and East African in general, confuse MK and make them look very stupid.
My hunch is that these "Noises" are intended to be a destruction to Baba by design. And Where you see the likes of Kuria/Njenga/Sonko, I think it's just a 'mutation sprout' of knuckleheads that has been left out of the main plan and screaming to stay relevant.
This doesn't make sense!
https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/nairobi/2019-06-25-uhuru-is-too-young-to-retire-in-2022-sonko-says/
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Yes, Uhuru has to be out of sense to try in any form or shape to extend his term, he should head to retirement after leaving a good legacy and possibly continue as Jubilee party leader if he wants to - but I'd recommend going home & enjoy gov retirement perks as a respected leader.
RV Pundit, I am almost certain that Uhuru would not want to be any part of changing the process (through a Referendum or otherwise) to extend his stay in power, especially if the process means riding on Raila. Uhuru has always ridiculed these 'antics' that are a leitmotif of Raila in every season. This is certain to make Uhuru very unpopular with Kenyans and East African in general, confuse MK and make them look very stupid.
My hunch is that these "Noises" are intended to be a destruction to Baba by design. And Where you see the likes of Kuria/Njenga/Sonko, I think it's just a 'mutation sprout' of knuckleheads that has been left out of the main plan and screaming to stay relevant.
This doesn't make sense!
https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/nairobi/2019-06-25-uhuru-is-too-young-to-retire-in-2022-sonko-says/
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Sounds all good. So Uhuru the lazybone will be doing all donkey work - for Raila - who will be acting as the Queen or King of Kenya. Some jokes are not serious. Kenya do not want a parliamentary system. It that simple. They want to elect the substantive PORK or PM. Then PM or PORK can appoint the ceremonial dude - because we do not want many competing centers of power.
Anyway it literally took a war to get last constitution.
Now you want us to ammend the constitution for two desperate people who have refused to retire :) despite having served as PM and PORK :)
Everyone will be going to the referendum - Kalonzo, Mudavadis - all of them will be part of this imagine charade whose beneficiary is Raila and Uhuru :)
You're courting a revolt - because the line of leaders waiting for those position is long. Kalonzo be waiting for 30yrs now :)
Last time Ruto got 31% opposing it. This time Ruto will get 61% opposing BBI if it ever get there. It cannot even pass parliament then 24 counties.
First let us get the BBI - come up with their illegal output - and we can proceed from there.
Pundit, why do you always assume it is Ruto alone who got the 31% to vote against the referendum? There were many other forces who opposed the new constitituition from the conservertive religious groups and a big chunk came from Mt Kenya basis who by all means wanted an almighty central government as they assumed they can keep it forever.
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Pundit, why do you always assume it is Ruto alone who got the 31% to vote against the referendum? There were many other forces who opposed the new constitution from the conservative religious groups and a big chunk came from Mt Kenya basis who by all means wanted an almighty central government as they assumed they can keep it forever.
Yes, I abstained from the last referendum because the Church was directly opposed to it because of the right to life/abortion question and asked Catholics not to vote yes. I couldn't go to the booth and vote No, either, because I felt it was irresponsible not to change the old constitution. It was a catch 22 for many of us who valued our faiths, can't vote Yes or No, so I decided the only way to honour my conscience was to abstain. It's why I understand many people who stayed home or voted 3rd party in the US 2016 election. A choice btw a vile, warmongering, Establishment-chrony Hillary and a vile, blatantly bigoted neophyte pretending to oppose the wars.
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The same way I assume Raila got 70% as leader of Yes. Obviously there are Ruto folks who also supported Yes. Duale and many muslim voted Yes - because they didn't like Kamami Christian group hostility to Sharia law.
Pundit, why do you always assume it is Ruto alone who got the 31% to vote against the referendum? There were many other forces who opposed the new constitituition from the conservertive religious groups and a big chunk came from Mt Kenya basis who by all means wanted an almighty central government as they assumed they can keep it forever.