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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2014, 02:06:11 PM

Title: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2014, 02:06:11 PM
WSR wanted a fight; they got a fight. RV have always wanted Majimbo and when little devolution is finally granted...see who is fighting it the hardest..WSR. It unbelievable. Will RVs see through this and tell WSR to  go to hell?

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/William-Ruto-Isaac-Ruto-Pesa-Mashinani-Referendum/-/1064/2466560/-/oluldi/-/index.html
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Georgesoros on September 27, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
Kenya politics amazes me.
Am with Ruto, counties should get more money but not handed to them. Natioonal govt, should ask them to write proposals and then fund these projects - my favorite is creating a land use master plan for every county.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
You warned us about IR. I now see you were right. WSR has got some dirt fight on his hands and it seems to be expanding. I think he will rue the day he took on IR. If he does not act, IR will have him for nyama choma.

This is what we warned Raila against but he decided to listen to Nyong'o. Once an opponent has grabbed on an issue that places him with the people and you against them, you stand zero chance. Now WSR is just a bad boy who is being misled by GEMA. If it carries on, he will graduate to "Enemy" and then he can only wait for burial. Unlike some, I think WSR can redeem himself. How the price for that redemption keeps going up.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 27, 2014, 04:30:30 PM
They are even taking digs at his court cases.  The knives are coming out.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
This is just but a start. IR ruto doesn't back down. And unlike any of WSR opponent in RV..IR has been in politics all his life.
They are even taking digs at his court cases.  The knives are coming out.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2014, 04:45:29 PM
WSR i doubt can redeem himself when he is busy digging deeper into his political graveyard.
You warned us about IR. I now see you were right. WSR has got some dirt fight on his hands and it seems to be expanding. I think he will rue the day he took on IR. If he does not act, IR will have him for nyama choma.

This is what we warned Raila against but he decided to listen to Nyong'o. Once an opponent has grabbed on an issue that places him with the people and you against them, you stand zero chance. Now WSR is just a bad boy who is being misled by GEMA. If it carries on, he will graduate to "Enemy" and then he can only wait for burial. Unlike some, I think WSR can redeem himself. How the price for that redemption keeps going up.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: anarchista on September 27, 2014, 07:10:23 PM
Im all for pesa mashinani, hopefully after that passes they will get VAT generated by the county staying in the County- as it rightly should. 

Why the government thinks they should have oversight over funds to the County is beyond me and without a doubt beyond the constitution. This governments' record as custodian of our taxes is absolutely woeful. And its just a year down the road. From processing KenRen payments to paying billions to Anglofleecing on the strength of an email to the mother of all – SGR. We're still waiting to get shafted by the fancy lolipops, the new biometrics, the coal mine, Lamu and lapsset... does the list end?? Obviously Uhuru rolled straight on from his school boy computer errors.

But if you keep telling (not asking) people mta do? Sooner or later they will find a solution. And pesa mashanani sounds like it.

In the secrecy of the voting booth, will the jigger infested villager vote a noose around his neck? Will tribe transcend bursaries and dispensaries and the first tarmack road in Garissa?
Kenya politics amazes me.
Am with Ruto, counties should get more money but not handed to them. Natioonal govt, should ask them to write proposals and then fund these projects - my favorite is creating a land use master plan for every county.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: machoman on September 27, 2014, 07:18:58 PM
If IR has ambitions he should avoid public fights with the likes of akina Duale. He has snipers like alfred keter in his corner. Let them do the dirty work. You all saw how Ruto was grinning when Duale was hurling missiles at IR.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Olekoima on September 28, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
I saw governors in today's front page of the Standard donning ODM's regalia. Kwani they have taken sides? I thought theirs was Pesa mashinani campaign independent of CORD's push.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Omollo on September 28, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
not ODM colors
I saw governors in today's front page of the Standard donning ODM's regalia. Kwani they have taken sides? I thought theirs was Pesa mashinani campaign independent of CORD's push.
(http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2467552/medRes/838974/-/ycgltuz/-/SPLASH_PIX.jpg)
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Olekoima on September 28, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
What then are these orange things. Did they have to choose this color?
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Omollo on September 28, 2014, 06:32:56 PM
What then are these orange things. Did they have to choose this color?
Orange won last time. Yellow lost
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: RV Pundit on September 28, 2014, 09:00:23 PM
Lagat gives up. From facebook it would seem north rift (read nandis+others) are full behind wsr; south rift (read kipsigis) are split down the middle;
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000136433/nandi-governor-withdraws-support-for-referendum-push
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Omollo on September 28, 2014, 09:22:48 PM
Obviously he has been given an undertaking. Do you think TNA will deliver? If they made WSR make the promise to these governors and then they renege, what do you think will be the outcome?

Kenya has this small problem is treating Demagogues as if they own the people. We get in to it as well. The governor can go back to any position but he may not take the people with him. Right now the ordinary people see GEMA's greed and they don't like it.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: RV Pundit on September 28, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
It going to be  big fight till 2017 elections..that is about 2 and half yrs...before election in august 2017...look like politicking is going to go on till then.

Jubilee (uhuruto) will not force their mps to enact laws demanded for governors.


Obviously he has been given an undertaking. Do you think TNA will deliver? If they made WSR make the promise to these governors and then they renege, what do you think will be the outcome?

Kenya has this small problem is treating Demagogues as if they own the people. We get in to it as well. The governor can go back to any position but he may not take the people with him. Right now the ordinary people see GEMA's greed and they don't like it.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Omollo on September 28, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Jubilee (uhuruto) will not force their mps to enact laws demanded for governors.

Which to me means one thing: Jubilee is buying some seconds of time.
Title: Re: Isaac Ruto digs in
Post by: Georgesoros on September 29, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
Kenyatta has no choice but to accept and give more money.
But they need to do audits so that the money is well spent, otherwise the counties need to refund unaccounted money.