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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 02:14:19 PM
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This old gizzard -62yr old who has most likely eaten enough in KPLC - is undergoing vetting. Last week he spent the weekend in police cells.
Such a shame. I mean have some shame and decline the nomination.
Whatever happened to chapter six on ethics.
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I thought it was a joke
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He is shameless.
I thought it was a joke
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He says he is worth 212 Million. I think he has grossly understated his worth
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He says he is worth 212 Million. I think he has grossly understated his worth
I think it's insane to have parliament vetting this position. We also need a law that prevents any parliament from benefiting from any remunerations that it sets, only coming into effect in the next parliament.
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Impunity/corruption in Kenya has reached the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah proportions. There is no more shame or pretense. The parliament has no shame vetting this dude instead of withdrawing his name has no shame sitting there and being vetted. It reminds me of that idiot odm mp Kaluma proudly defending his right to attend world cup on tax payers money.
He says he is worth 212 Million. I think he has grossly understated his worth
I think it's insane to have parliament vetting this position. We also need a law that prevents any parliament from benefiting from any remunerations that it sets, only coming into effect in the next parliament.
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This is when military start overthrowing civilian gov & sent the whole lot to gallows. They'd probably have entire executive and Mps line up and shot.Then shot again until theyre dead. Such a purge would be welcomed by nearly everyone. We are luckly our military have no ideological bent. I think it by design we have one of most politically naive military - we hire the worse. In countries like UG or Ethiopia or Rwanda - military folks would simply long have overthrown our civilian rule. Those countries with history of revolution & coups have military that are so politically attumed they would simply overthrow a civilian gov like ours....I mean Ghana, Nigeria, name it. It probably only Kenya, Zambia & TZ where politician have this carte blanche.
These guys have reach such level of impunity only drastic action will make them stop and think.
Impunity/corruption in Kenya has reached the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah proportions. There is no more shame or pretense. The parliament has no shame vetting this dude instead of withdrawing his name has no shame sitting there and being vetted. It reminds me of that idiot odm mp Kaluma proudly defending his right to attend world cup on tax payers money.
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Impunity/corruption in Kenya has reached the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah proportions. There is no more shame or pretense. The parliament has no shame vetting this dude instead of withdrawing his name has no shame sitting there and being vetted. It reminds me of that idiot odm mp Kaluma proudly defending his right to attend world cup on tax payers money.
I think it's insane to have parliament vetting this position. We also need a law that prevents any parliament from benefiting from any remunerations that it sets, only coming into effect in the next parliament.
I agree with that too. But even where integrity is not a problem, these guys should not be vetting the guy responsible for their salaries. I don't know the exact requirements for this position, but someone else needs to do that job.
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This is when military start overthrowing civilian gov & sent the whole lot to gallows. They'd probably have entire executive and Mps line up and shot.Then shot again until theyre dead. Such a purge would be welcomed by nearly everyone. We are luckly our military have no ideological bent. I think it by design we have one of most politically naive military - we hire the worse. In countries like UG or Ethiopia or Rwanda - military folks would simply long have overthrown our civilian rule. Those countries with history of revolution & coups have military that are so politically attumed they would simply overthrow a civilian gov like ours....I mean Ghana, Nigeria, name it. It probably only Kenya, Zambia & TZ where politician have this carte blanche.
These guys have reach such level of impunity only drastic action will make them stop and think.
Impunity/corruption in Kenya has reached the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah proportions. There is no more shame or pretense. The parliament has no shame vetting this dude instead of withdrawing his name has no shame sitting there and being vetted. It reminds me of that idiot odm mp Kaluma proudly defending his right to attend world cup on tax payers money.
I think the top echelons of the military has been very well co-opted. Initial coups usually come from the lower ranks and are bloody. Subsequent coups are bloodless replacements of the top ranks.
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Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty...The same people who voted for people indicted at ICC are now crying ...ooh military coup garbage, give us a break
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RV Pundit even dares mention Chapter 6. :D :D :D :D
Dignity and shame died in 2013 the minute the two ICC suspects while on bail were elected to the highest office in Kenya. Chumo is right as he is not alone.
Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty...The same people who voted for people indicted at ICC are now crying ...ooh military coup garbage, give us a break
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It seems Pundit has reached the Road to Damascus too. I hope you come to the same conclusion most of us have about Ruto as well. I mean SRC is just a commission yet the Lord of Corruption wants to run the country.
@bitmask, SRC sets salaries "independently" for all public officials and civil servants. The last Parliament went rogue, froze SRC budget and bullied them, until the commission caved in and allowed them hefty increments. Uhuruto and the courts cowardly failed to help SRC.
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Kenyans "fed up" with corruption.
Outrage greets Ben Chumo vetting
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Outrage-greets-Ben-Chumo-vetting/1950946-4678198-6kw0wh/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Outrage-greets-Ben-Chumo-vetting/1950946-4678198-6kw0wh/index.html)
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Come on, everyone has the privilege to repent... including Pundit and Ruto. Uhuru has already seen the light.
RV Pundit even dares mention Chapter 6. :D :D :D :D
Dignity and shame died in 2013 the minute the two ICC suspects while on bail were elected to the highest office in Kenya. Chumo is right as he is not alone.
Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty...The same people who voted for people indicted at ICC are now crying ...ooh military coup garbage, give us a break
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You're an idiot who cannot distinguish btw elected and appointed offices. Uhuru and Ruto resigned from gov after 2010 constitution - but retained their MP & DPM positions. They were elected bacause the threshold for political office is high. And the reason being kenyan as per article 1 have the override.
I am perfectly okay with Ben Chumo looking for political office. If kenyans want to ELECT a barnabas - they should do so. But for any office where people do not elect you directly - we stick to chapter six.
RV Pundit even dares mention Chapter 6. :D :D :D :D
Dignity and shame died in 2013 the minute the two ICC suspects while on bail were elected to the highest office in Kenya. Chumo is right as he is not alone.
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I don't sway like you do - like a seesaw. I take principled position after considering all facts. My position regarding chapter six has NEVER changed and will NEVER change. Elected official are not subject to chapter six. Constitution is clear on who qualify for any elected position and those include convinced criminals appealing their case.
It also very clear that chapter six only applies to appointed public officials - CS and all the way down - they shouldn't have any criminal cases or belong to political parties or any ethical issues and must be cleared and vetted.
People rushed to Mutunga when UhuRuto ran for PORK and they were told by courts it very clear - like day and night - who qualify to ran for MP & PORK. It is also clear how they can be removed. Not through chapter six violation. By through death or impeachment or recall.
These are BASIC STD 6 interpretation of our constitution.
Come on, everyone has the privilege to repent... including Pundit and Ruto. Uhuru has already seen the light.
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In short your stand is based on a technicality - interpretation - not any outrage against corruption. Ruto lost me when his allies openly resisted the lifestyle audit. Before that all we had are your rumors here about Uhuru 30B SGR and Ruto's "flawless looting machine". All PORK candidates at least pretend they will have zero tolerance to corruption - Kibaki, Raila, Uhuru, Magufuli, Mnangagwa - before later indulging. It's a new low for a PORK candidate to brazenly oppose the war on corruption.
I don't sway like you do - like a seesaw. I take principled position after considering all facts. My position regarding chapter six has NEVER changed and will NEVER change. Elected official are not subject to chapter six. Constitution is clear on who qualify for any elected position and those include convinced criminals appealing their case.
It also very clear that chapter six only applies to appointed public officials - CS and all the way down - they shouldn't have any criminal cases or belong to political parties or any ethical issues and must be cleared and vetted.
People rushed to Mutunga when UhuRuto ran for PORK and they were told by courts it very clear - like day and night - who qualify to ran for MP & PORK. It is also clear how they can be removed. Not through chapter six violation. By through death or impeachment or recall.
These are BASIC STD 6 interpretation of our constitution.
Come on, everyone has the privilege to repent... including Pundit and Ruto. Uhuru has already seen the light.
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It's not a technicality - it more a reality. There is a reason why we don't hold our politician to very high standards. That in essence is democracy and we let people consider all factors. You see Ruto has his flaws but when everything is considered I still support him. I think he only loot because our politics is so money centered - he'd be buried day one without money. We have people without any merit the likes of Gideon - probably without even high school certificate - and drunkards like Uhuru - and someone like Raila - who never completed primary school - sons of doyen of poltiics whose parent started looting in 1950s!! - all out there - because they of their money, patronage & pedigree.
You join politics and day one you realize you need tonnes of money or you not going nowhere. I don't think Ruto loots because he is kleptomanic - he loots so he can use the money to buy or shore up his political support - which he why he donate vigorously, finance politicians and political projects. Raila loots to enrich himself. That is big difference.Of course all this is conjecture - Ruto legally is clean as pamba.
Why did Ruto oppose lifestyle audit & anti-graft war - because he is not naive - he knows where everyone is corrupt and the certainly there is a "fight" against corruption - it just the usual time for sacrifices - a few sacrificial lambs will be offered to Gods of Corruption & society sins will be forgiven. You'd be stupid if you naively become one of the sacrificial lamb. Secondly Ruto has a big battle coming up in 2022 - he need money to finance his dreams and if all corruption panya routes are closed...he'll have to figure out how to finance the very expensive elections.
As long as Raila is being cozy with Uhuru - Ruto will be naive to go to sleep. He has to remain ever awake and that I think is what he'll have to do. Politics is that fluid.
In short your stand is based on a technicality - interpretation - not any outrage against corruption. Ruto lost me when his allies openly resisted the lifestyle audit. Before that all we had are your rumors here about Uhuru 30B SGR and Ruto's "flawless looting machine". All PORK candidates at least pretend they will have zero tolerance to corruption - Kibaki, Raila, Uhuru, Magufuli, Mnangagwa - before later indulging. It's a new low for a PORK candidate to brazenly oppose the war on corruption.
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Who elected Uhuru DPM?
Idiots know each other. Punda.
You're an idiot who cannot distinguish btw elected and appointed offices. Uhuru and Ruto resigned from gov after 2010 constitution - but retained their MP & DPM positions. They were elected bacause the threshold for political office is high. And the reason being kenyan as per article 1 have the override.
I am perfectly okay with Ben Chumo looking for political office. If kenyans want to ELECT a barnabas - they should do so. But for any office where people do not elect you directly - we stick to chapter six.
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I know all that. However corruption in Kenya has reached pandemic proportions where even cücü or chokora loot everything in sight. It's worse than ebola. For that reason it's the wrong time for Ruto's winning formula of deploying a looting machine, his other merits pale in comparison. I hope he doesn't win, I fear he's too clever and entrenched. Raila is a better option this time - I hope he's working on a winning formula with Uhuru, Moi and the battery of bitter Ruto enemies.
It's not a technicality - it more a reality. There is a reason why we don't hold our politician to very high standards. That in essence is democracy and we let people consider all factors. You see Ruto has his flaws but when everything is considered I still support him. I think he only loot because our politics is so money centered - he'd be buried day one without money. We have people without any merit the likes of Gideon - probably without even high school certificate - and drunkards like Uhuru - and someone like Raila - who never completed primary school - sons of doyen of poltiics whose parent started looting in 1950s!! - all out there - because they of their money, patronage & pedigree.
You join politics and day one you realize you need tonnes of money or you not going nowhere. I don't think Ruto loots because he is kleptomanic - he loots so he can use the money to buy or shore up his political support - which he why he donate vigorously, finance politicians and political projects. Raila loots to enrich himself. That is big difference.Of course all this is conjecture - Ruto legally is clean as pamba.
Why did Ruto oppose lifestyle audit & anti-graft war - because he is not naive - he knows where everyone is corrupt and the certainly there is a "fight" against corruption - it just the usual time for sacrifices - a few sacrificial lambs will be offered to Gods of Corruption & society sins will be forgiven. You'd be stupid if you naively become one of the sacrificial lamb. Secondly Ruto has a big battle coming up in 2022 - he need money to finance his dreams and if all corruption panya routes are closed...he'll have to figure out how to finance the very expensive elections.
As long as Raila is being cozy with Uhuru - Ruto will be naive to go to sleep. He has to remain ever awake and that I think is what he'll have to do. Politics is that fluid.
In short your stand is based on a technicality - interpretation - not any outrage against corruption. Ruto lost me when his allies openly resisted the lifestyle audit. Before that all we had are your rumors here about Uhuru 30B SGR and Ruto's "flawless looting machine". All PORK candidates at least pretend they will have zero tolerance to corruption - Kibaki, Raila, Uhuru, Magufuli, Mnangagwa - before later indulging. It's a new low for a PORK candidate to brazenly oppose the war on corruption.
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That is debatable as was everything in NARA act. It water under the bridge. The important issue is that elected public officials don't really have to care about chapter six. It simply doesn't apply to MCA,MP, Governor, PORK and such people.
Who elected Uhuru DPM?
Idiots know each other. Punda.
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That really is your personal choice. I think I am in team Ruto because I believe he can transform kenya the way Jubilee has done the last 5 yrs. Obviously you see endemic corruption - I see largest public investment in 100yrs - snaking it's way to Naivasha - Chinese just finished blasting a hole through Ngong and have emerged down in Maa Mahiu - 5Km tunnel..or so... I am seeing tarmac everywhere..electricity everywhere... I think that Ruto promise. I don't really care if in the process he makes billions...but I believe Ruto has always delivered. You can see what he has done since he joined cabinet...as Ass Minister - he had to sit in Cabinet coz everyone wanted to hear his brilliant ideas. As Min of Agriculture - he worked his butt. As Higher education he solved nearly 20yr old stupid problem where kids had to wait for 2yrs to join university due to "hostel shortage" after some strike in 1990:). ...bla de bla.
I know all that. However corruption in Kenya has reached pandemic proportions where even cücü or chokora loot everything in sight. It's worse than ebola. For that reason it's the wrong time for Ruto's winning formula of deploying a looting machine, his other merits pale in comparison. I hope he doesn't win, I fear he's too clever and entrenched. Raila is a better option this time - I hope he's working on a winning formula with Uhuru, Moi and the battery of bitter Ruto enemies.
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As usual you evade the question. Uhuru was appointed DPM just like Raila was appointed PM. Nobody elected the fellows. Kindly accept once that you got your facts wrong.
That is debatable as was everything in NARA act. It water under the bridge. The important issue is that elected public officials don't really have to care about chapter six. It simply doesn't apply to MCA,MP, Governor, PORK and such people.