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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2014, 10:43:05 AM
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I see you're battling Jubilee alone in the restroom...with the usual manfool twisting facts.
First start from governors...URP clearly has the lead (10 governors)
9 Mandera Ibrahim Roba Ali Omar Mohamed Maalim URP
11 Isiolo Godana Doyo Mohamed Gulleid Abdille URP
25 Samburu Moses Lenolkula Kasaine Joseph Lemarkat URP
27 Uasin Gishu Jackson Kiplagat Mandago Daniel Kiplagat Kiprotich URP
28 Elgeyo-Marakwet Alex Tanui Tolgos Gabriel Lagat Kosgey URP
29 Nandi Lagat Cleophas Dominic Kimutai Biwott URP
30 Baringo Benjamin Cheboi Chesire Mathew Kipyator Tuitoek URP
33 Narok Samuel Kuntai Ole Tunai Aruasa Evalyn Chepkirui URP
35 Kericho Paul Chepkwony Kiprono Susan Chepkoech Kikwai URP
36 Bomet Isaac Ruto Stephen Kipkoech Mutai URP
Compared to TNA (8 governors)
14 Embu Martin Wambora Dorothy Nditi Muchungu [18]]
13 Tharaka Samuel Mbae Ragwa Eliud Mate Muriithi TNA
18 Nyandarua Daniel Waithaka Mwangi Waithaka Mwangi Kirika TNA
20 Kirinyaga Joseph Kathuri Ndathi Julius Muthike Njiri TNA
21 Muranga Mwangi wa Iria Augustine J Gakure Monyo TNA
22 Kiambu William Kabogo Gerald Gakuha Githinji TNA
31 Laikipia Joshua Irungu Josphat Gitonga Kabugi TNA
32 Nakuru Kinuthia Mbugua Joseph Kibore Rutto TNA
While APK has one (okay if you even grant TNA that one) still makes it 9 governors...less than URP
12 Meru Peter Munya Raphael Muriungi APK
URP can counter that by adding West Pokot's Kachapin who won in KANU.
So basically URP based on that alone..is senior to TNA...but WSR want to pretend to be loyal dog to his master..not party leader of major national party URP.
http://nipate.com/urp-gets-ready-to-expel-governor-isaac-rutto-t47304-30.html
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Senators...TNA has 11 versus 9 URP
5 Lamu Abu Chiaba TNA
7 Garissa Yusuf Haji TNA
13 Tharaka Kithure Kindiki TNA
18 Nyandarua Muriuki Karue TNA
20 Kirinyaga Daniel Karaba TNA
21 Murang'a Kembi Gitura TNA
22 Kiambu Paul Kimani TNA
31 Laikipia Geoffrey Gitahi Kariuki TNA
32 Nakuru James Kiarie Mungai TNA
34 Kajiado Peter Mositet TNA
47 Nairobi Gideon Mbuvi TNA
And URP
9 Mandera Billow Kerow URP
11 Isiolo Mohammed Kuti URP
25 Samburu Sammy Leshore URP
27 Uasin-Gishu Isaac Melly URP
28 Elgeyo-Marakwet Kipchumba Murkomen URP
29 Nandi Stephen Sang URP
33 Narok Stephen Kanyinge ole Ntutu URP
35 Kericho Charles Keter URP
36 Bomet Prof Wilson Lessan URP
APK has 2 (Meru+embu); Kanu has two (Baringo+West Pokot)
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MPS..TNA has advantage there..of 13 more seats.
TNA 89 (72 const)
URP 75 (62 const)
APK 5 balance out with KANU 6.
There is absolute no explanation why William Ruto would willingly make himself a junior partner.
Why he would grant Uhuru 10yrs of leadership without even trying.
If a vote was to be done in 2013..Ruto would have be very near Uhuru...maybe 24% versus 26%...give those elected const mps are good indicator of the national vote.
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Tribe wise..Kalenjin Mps are near equal to Kikuyu Mps..why William Ruto feel he need to be on his fours is beyond me.
43 versus 51mps..there are just 8 more kikuyu mps than Kalenjin...URP manages to get another 30 mainly from kamatusa+somali+iteso--while TNA get from Meru+embu+very few elsewhere.
West Pokot 132 Pokot South David Pkosing Losiakou URP
Trans Nzoia 137 Endebess Robert Pukose URP
Uasin Gishu 141 Soy Edwin Barchilei URP
Uasin Gishu 142 Turbo Elisha Busienei URP
Uasin Gishu 143 Moiben Sila Tiren URP
Uasin Gishu 144 Ainabkoi Samwel Chepkonga URP
Uasin Gishu 145 Kapseret Osac Sudi URP
Uasin Gishu 146 Kesses James Bett URP
Elgeyo Marakwet 147 Marakwet East David Kangogo Bowen URP
Elgeyo Marakwet 148 Marakwet West William Kipkemoi Kisang URP
Elgeyo Marakwet 149 Keiyo North James Kipkosgei Murgor URP
Elgeyo Marakwet 150 Keiyo South Jackson Kiplagat Kiptanui URP
Nandi 151 Tinderet Julius Kibiwott Melly URP
Nandi 152 Aldai Cornelly Serem URP
Nandi 153 Nandi Hills Alfred Kiptoo Keter URP
Nandi 154 Chesumei Elijah Kiptarbei Lagat URP
Nandi 155 Emgwen Alexander Kosgey URP
Nandi 156 Mosop Kirwa Stephen Bitok URP
Baringo 157 Tiaty Asman Kamama URP
Baringo 158 Baringo North William Cheptumo URP
Baringo 159 Baringo Central Sammy Silas Komen Mwaita URP
Baringo 160 Baringo South Grace Kipchoim URP
Baringo 162 Eldama Ravine Moses K Lessonet URP
Nakuru 170 Kuresoi South Zakayo Cheruiyot URP
Kericho 188 Kipkelion East Kirui Joseph Limo URP
Kericho 189 Kipkelion West Jackson Kipkorir Rop URP
Kericho 190 Ainamoi Benjamin Kipkirui Langat URP
Kericho 191 Bureti Leonard Kipkosgei Sang URP
Kericho 193 Sigowet/Soin Justice Kipsang Kemei URP
Bomet 194 Sotik Joyce Cherono Abonyo Laboso URP
Bomet 195 Chepalungu Paul Kipchirchir Bii URP
Bomet 196 Bomet East Benard Bett URP
Bomet 197 Bomet Central Ronald Kiprotich Tonui URP
Bomet 198 Konoin Sammy Cheruiyot Koech URP
Trans Nzoia 140 Cherangany Wesley Korir Independent
Bungoma 216 Mt. Elgon John Serut Independent
West Pokot 129 Kapenguria Samuel Moroto Chumel KANU
Baringo 161 Mogotio Hellen Sambili KANU
Nakuru 171 Kuresoi North Moses Kipkemboi KANU
Nakuru 173 Rongai Raymond Moi KANU
Kericho 192 Belgut Eric Keter KANU
Narok 178 Emurua Dikirr Johana Ng’eno KNC
Versus Kikuyu mps
Nyandarua 89 Kinangop Stephen Kinyanjui TNA
Nyandarua 91 Ol Kalou David Kiaraho TNA
Nyandarua 92 Ol Jorok JM Waiganjo TNA
Nyandarua 93 Ndaragwa Waweru Nderitu TNA
Nyeri 94 Tetu Ndung’u Gethenji TNA
Nyeri 95 Kieni James Mathenge Kanini Kega TNA
Nyeri 97 Othaya Mary Wambui TNA
Nyeri 98 Mukurweini Kabando wa Kabando TNA
Nyeri 99 Nyeri Town Esther Murugi TNA
Kirinyaga 100 Mwea Peter Njuguna Gitau TNA
Kirinyaga 101 Gichugu Ejidious Barua TNA
Kirinyaga 102 Ndia Stephen Muriuki Ngari TNA
Kirinyaga 103 Kirinyaga Central Joseph Gitari TNA
Murang'a 104 Kangema Tirus Ngahu TNA
Murang'a 105 Mathioya Clement Wambugu TNA
Murang'a 106 Kiharu Irungu Kangata TNA
Murang'a 107 Kigumo Jamleck Kamau TNA
Murang'a 108 Maragwa Peter Kamande TNA
Murang'a 109 Kandara Alice Muthoni TNA
Kiambu 111 Gatundu South Jossy Ngugi TNA
Kiambu 112 Gatundu North Francis Kigo Njenga TNA
Kiambu 113 Juja Francis Waititu TNA
Kiambu 114 Thika Town Alice Wambui TNA
Kiambu 115 Ruiru Esther Gathogo TNA
Kiambu 116 Githunguri Njoroge Baiya TNA
Kiambu 117 Kiambu Jude Njomo TNA
Kiambu 118 Kiambaa Paul Koinange TNA
Kiambu 119 Kabete George Muchai TNA
Kiambu 120 Kikuyu Kimani Ichung'wah TNA
Kiambu 121 Limuru John Kiragu TNA
Kiambu 122 Lari Mburu Kahangara TNA
Laikipia 163 Laikipia West Stephen Wachira Karani TNA
Laikipia 164 Laikipia East Anthony Kimaru TNA
Nakuru 166 Molo Jacob Macharia TNA
Nakuru 167 Njoro Joseph Kiuna TNA
Nakuru 168 Naivasha John Karanja Kihagi TNA
Nakuru 169 Gilgil Samuel Nderitu TNA
Nakuru 172 Subukia Nelson Gaichuhie TNA
Nakuru 174 Bahati Kimani Ngunjiri TNA
Nakuru 176 Nakuru Town East David Gikaria TNA
Nairobi 276 Dagoretti South Dennis Kariuki Waweru TNA
Nairobi 279 Roysambu Waihenya Ndirangu TNA
Nairobi 280 Kasarani John Njoroge Chege TNA
Nairobi 283 Embakasi North James Mwangi Gakuya TNA
Nairobi 284 Embakasi Central John Ndirangu TNA
Nairobi 286 Embakasi West George Theuri TNA
Nairobi 287 Makadara Benson Mutura TNA
Nairobi 289 Starehe Maina Kamanda TNA
Nairobi 290 Mathare George Mike Wanjohi TNA
Nyandarua 90 Kipipiri Samuel Gichigi APK
Lamu 22 Lamu West Julius Kariuki Ndegwa KNC
GEMA is equal to KAMATUSA.
WSR has undersold himself and with that i fear Kalenjin will look for another bull...Isaac Ruto is increasingly look like one...brave just like RV like their leaders.
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Bottom-line; 2017 is going to be Uhuru's waterloo like 2002 a third of kalenjin will rebel and vote Raila if current situation hold.
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Bottom-line; 2017 is going to be Uhuru's waterloo like 2002 a third of kalenjin will rebel and vote Raila if current situation hold.
At least we can praise WSR for a very bold experiment. It seems like nothing changes on the other side though!
Sketie
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RV Pundit,
Thanks for these stats. Mansfield has already gone silent... he want us to believe that TNA is a colossus national party while URP is a tiny tribal party to be dismissed with the wave of the hand.
WSR should come out of GEMA armpit and do what we all expect, and indeed elected, him to do - be a true equal partner in Jubilee.
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RV Pundit,
Thanks for these stats. Mansfield has already gone silent... he want us to believe that TNA is a colossus national party while URP is a tiny tribal party to be dismissed with the wave of the hand.
WSR should come out of GEMA armpit and do what we all expect, and indeed elected, him to do - be a true equal partner in Jubilee.
Joste
You can't hold an intelligent debate on The Other Side (TOS) whatever you do. They are not interested in facts or reason. They are ad hominem junkies.
I agree with you and Pundit. I have looked at the various scenarios and come to a dangerous conclusion. Unless something gives, 2017 may see the worst PEV in Africa.
1. Scenario 1: WSR backs Uhuru again. RVP folks who see the trickery better than him rebel and variously stay at home, vote for some other candidate or even vote CORD (Raila, Wetangula or Kalonzo). whatever the case, a vote lost to Uhuruto is a vote for CORD. They won with a small margin and if CORD retains its constituency and expands in Western with Wetangula and Khalwale's increasing popularity, defeat stares Uhuru in the face: Outcome:????
2. Scenario Two: WSR sees the light and cuts his losses. Joins CORD or creates another alliance to run. He will give CORD and Jitoto a run for their money and needless to say there will be plenty of tears in TNA / GEMA. If WSR joins CORD in a Raila-like anti-KANU deal in 2002 (better known as Kibaki-Tosha), they carry the day. It leads to an electoral defeat of Uhuru just like 2002. Outcome????
Why do I doubt the outcome?
1. Uhuru has continued the preparations that Kibaki started making post PEV for a military takeover in event GEMA is forced to cede power in an election. So a defeat for him or a victory for the opposition leads to the same outcome. It will be the trigger for Karangi or whoever takes over to seize power.
2. Baadaye
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The underline reason why most kalenjin are frustrated with Ruto is precisely this. He has turned out worse that Kalonzo the VP of Kibaki with a small party of ODM-K with 15Mps by trying to win the most loyal DP ever since MOi. Moi was selected by Jomo Kenyatta...and could be slapped or toyed around with it.
Ruto WON his position. URP is an equal partner to TNA RIGHT.
Ruto need to start leading and stop fawning.
Ruto is not DPORK...not..he is CO-PRESIDENT IN 50-50 COALITION. He has simply refuse to take his job seriously and he has chosen to completely erode his position and by extension the URP party.
If he doesn't want to do that..then he need to step down..and plead for Uhuru to make him DPORK....and Kalenjin can elect someone else.
But he has time to make amends..to come out forcefully...esp with continued GEMA stronghold on KEY SECTORS of security and economy.
But will a coward like William Ruto do that...re-engineer himself and tell Uhuru that
1) composition of NASC is unacceptable..where only Kimaiyo and Kamba Lady are non-gema?. The same military appointments? Same with composition of prov administration?
2) The same with key sectors of economy...KRA, CBK, name them..need to have the true of face of kenya.
3) Why the hell are they opposing pesa mashinani?
i doubt very much.
RV Pundit,
Thanks for these stats. Mansfield has already gone silent... he want us to believe that TNA is a colossus national party while URP is a tiny tribal party to be dismissed with the wave of the hand.
WSR should come out of GEMA armpit and do what we all expect, and indeed elected, him to do - be a true equal partner in Jubilee.
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Omollo,
WSR has given up in 2017 without even trying. I think he will soon find out he is not a factor going forward. He has already given Uhuru 10yrs. No negotiation. No debate. Uhuru said he'll do then and Ruto has said yes please do 10.
So in your scenario you want to exclude WSR running.
Joste
You can't hold an intelligent debate on The Other Side (TOS) whatever you do. They are not interested in facts or reason. They are ad hominem junkies.
I agree with you and Pundit. I have looked at the various scenarios and come to a dangerous conclusion. Unless something gives, 2017 may see the worst PEV in Africa.
1. Scenario 1: WSR backs Uhuru again. RVP folks who see the trickery better than him rebel and variously stay at home, vote for some other candidate or even vote CORD (Raila, Wetangula or Kalonzo). whatever the case, a vote lost to Uhuruto is a vote for CORD. They won with a small margin and if CORD retains its constituency and expands in Western with Wetangula and Khalwale's increasing popularity, defeat stares Uhuru in the face: Outcome:????
2. Scenario Two: WSR sees the light and cuts his losses. Joins CORD or creates another alliance to run. He will give CORD and Jitoto a run for their money and needless to say there will be plenty of tears in TNA / GEMA. If WSR joins CORD in a Raila-like anti-KANU deal in 2002 (better known as Kibaki-Tosha), they carry the day. It leads to an electoral defeat of Uhuru just like 2002. Outcome????
Why do I doubt the outcome?
1. Uhuru has continued the preparations that Kibaki started making post PEV for a military takeover in event GEMA is forced to cede power in an election. So a defeat for him or a victory for the opposition leads to the same outcome. It will be the trigger for Karangi or whoever takes over to seize power.
2. Baadaye
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Veritas
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