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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 05, 2018, 05:18:20 PM
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Former Riruta Ward Rep, who has been charged with killing his estranged wife had accused her of infidelity, a witness told the court.
Mr Samwel Ndung’u had also threatened to kill a man he suspected was having an illicit affair with Lucy Njambi, Lydia Nduta, a witness, told the court on Monday.
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Ms Nduta said Mr Ndung'u had sent her son, Samwel Kìiru, 22, threatening text messages for allegedly having an affair with Ms Njambi.
In one of the messages, he allegedly said, "Hey kazee, unaita bibi ya wenyewe bae? Let's meet in heaven".
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Riruta-MCA-accused-slain-wife-of-infidelity-/1056-4329200-156c6ljz/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Riruta-MCA-accused-slain-wife-of-infidelity-/1056-4329200-156c6ljz/index.html)
Also, from the little I know, this could be used in his defense in Kenyan law.
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This one involves a cook. In Samuel Wanjiru's Nanyuki.
A waitress in one of the top hotels in Nanyuki who has been missing since Thursday evening has been found dead inside a borehole at the hotel. The body had a deep cut across the abdomen.
The 24-year-old Carol Nduta's body was discovered by police officers on Saturday dumped in a borehole at the three-star Sportsman’s Arms Hotel where she has worked as a waitress for the past four years.
“The chief security officer mobilised a team of staff members to look for her they did not succeed until Saturday when her body was found and retrieved from the borehole,” said the manger.
He suspected that Nduta’s cruel death could have resulted from what is believed to be a love triangle with another woman who works as a steward in the hotel over a man who is a chef in the same hotel. The woman who is identified as (Njeri) is said to be in a relationship with the chef (Mbugua) and she never wanted to see the deceased relate with her (Njeri) ‘boyfriend’.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001272082/24-year-old-waitress-mysteriously-killed-and-dumped-in-hotel-s-borehole (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001272082/24-year-old-waitress-mysteriously-killed-and-dumped-in-hotel-s-borehole)
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
Tuju took out the man. The intruder. The MCA took out his wife and threatened the intruder. The MCA also had the wife raped and tortured, forced to ingest acid, before she was murdered.
There is definitely a difference in the execution. One does it without gratuitous cruelty. I was hoping to learn if there might be cultural underpinnings to these responses.
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These days so many people are operating outside the cultural boundaries that you cannot explain their behavior culturally. There are just too many variables, especially mental health issues that transcend culture.
because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
Tuju took out the man. The intruder. The MCA took out his wife and threatened the intruder. The MCA also had the wife raped and tortured, forced to ingest acid, before she was murdered.
There is definitely a difference in the execution. One does it without gratuitous cruelty. I was hoping to learn if there might be cultural underpinnings to these responses.
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
Tuju took out the man. The intruder. The MCA took out his wife and threatened the intruder. The MCA also had the wife raped and tortured, forced to ingest acid, before she was murdered.
There is definitely a difference in the execution. One does it without gratuitous cruelty. I was hoping to learn if there might be cultural underpinnings to these responses.
The difference in reaction is obvious, how to pick Tribe from the two relatively isolated incidence is the question. You need more data...like say 4-5 examples on both sides.
This incidence does not give us the man’s ethnicity though happenin in Homa Bay Rangwe, and married to a Luo woman,it is in all likelihood a Luo man
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001264808/estranged-man-kills-ex-wife-in-homabay-county
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
Tuju took out the man. The intruder. The MCA took out his wife and threatened the intruder. The MCA also had the wife raped and tortured, forced to ingest acid, before she was murdered.
There is definitely a difference in the execution. One does it without gratuitous cruelty. I was hoping to learn if there might be cultural underpinnings to these responses.
The difference in reaction is obvious, how to pick Tribe from the two relatively isolated incidence is the question. You need more data...like say 4-5 examples on both sides.
This incidence does not give us the man’s ethnicity though happenin in Homa Bay Rangwe, and married to a Luo woman,it is in all likelihood a Luo man
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001264808/estranged-man-kills-ex-wife-in-homabay-county (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001264808/estranged-man-kills-ex-wife-in-homabay-county)
Yep. More data would give a more realistic picture. What is not in doubt is there seems to be quite a bit of these types of killings. And the connected suspects NEVER pay for it.
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because of infidelity. He took the Raphael Tuju playbook and flipped it. He killed the wife and merely threatened her lover. Are these different reactions rooted in cultural differences between Kikuyus and Luos?
Good question. 2 examples vs none on the other side is quite anecdotal but you. Luke be into something. There’s a story of an AP in Siaya/Kisumu who sprayed bullets a house his girlfriend was in with her lover. She survived. But APs everyone will tell you are so unhinged and that’s a bad example for anything other than they are triggerhappy
Tuju took out the man. The intruder. The MCA took out his wife and threatened the intruder. The MCA also had the wife raped and tortured, forced to ingest acid, before she was murdered.
There is definitely a difference in the execution. One does it without gratuitous cruelty. I was hoping to learn if there might be cultural underpinnings to these responses.
The difference in reaction is obvious, how to pick Tribe from the two relatively isolated incidence is the question. You need more data...like say 4-5 examples on both sides.
This incidence does not give us the man’s ethnicity though happenin in Homa Bay Rangwe, and married to a Luo woman,it is in all likelihood a Luo man
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001264808/estranged-man-kills-ex-wife-in-homabay-county (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001264808/estranged-man-kills-ex-wife-in-homabay-county)
Yep. More data would give a more realistic picture. What is not in doubt is there seems to be quite a bit of these types of killings. And the connected suspects NEVER pay for it.
Partly true. Media coverage of these cases goes south usually after the trial starts and they focus on the newer more revolting cases,and there’s never a shortage of such That’s what makes many appear unresolved. Of course we know Kenya has a pathetic rate of closure on such cases but there are many rotting in jail.
I don’t blame the media as such; cases here drag on for the longest and everyone but the families and courts lose interest.
An exception that has gone beyond trial is that of Miss Langata Prison. Her modeling antics inside has managed to maintain our collective interest in the case.
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Windy (I am not typing this new name hata kama nini), about what you say in the first post. Calculated, planned murder cannot serve as the defense of being driven beyond one's normal self-control. This is available in cases like, you come home and walk in on your SO with another and you go berserk and unleash some violence. If you go into the kitchen and find a knife, that will still pass. But if you leave and go contract a killer or look for a gun or otherwise act with calculation further and further away from the initial triggering event, you lose the ability to argue that you were possessed. It becomes more and more that you simply committed murder with forethought and all the rest of it.
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Windy (I am not typing this new name hata kama nini), about what you say in the first post. Calculated, planned murder cannot serve as the defense of being driven beyond one's normal self-control. This is available in cases like, you come home and walk in on your SO with another and you go berserk and unleash some violence. If you go into the kitchen and find a knife, that will still pass. But if you leave and go contract a killer or look for a gun or otherwise act with calculation further and further away from the initial triggering event, you lose the ability to argue that you were possessed. It becomes more and more that you simply committed murder with forethought and all the rest of it.
That makes sense.
The old name is now associated with a failed project. D-Rose was good while he lasted, but he ultimately is a bust.
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Ok, so the timeless Termi it remains for me. Haki bitmask just aint very pretty. I also forgot to say that even when that defense is available, it's not a complete one like self-defense. You just escape the hangman's noose and get manslaughter instead. It's the law's way of saying: this is still a bad thing but we get you are human and frail.
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The religious and positivity nonsense has brought up one of the most useless generation. No parent is willing to invest in tough parenting showing kids that life is full of shit and suckers. Once something small happens these useless grown up kids cannot process anything else.
Based on religious nonsense of one man one wife; it is possible that 99% of those aged between 12-35 today believe it is right to kill their spouse for 'betraying' them!! It is unfathomable how two adults who have met when aged 25 -35 years believe that 'I own you' 'You belong to me'!!
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The religious and positivity nonsense has brought up one of the most useless generation. No parent is willing to invest in tough parenting showing kids that life is full of shit and suckers. Once something small happens these useless grown up kids cannot process anything else.
Based on religious nonsense of one man one wife; it is possible that 99% of those aged between 12-35 today believe it is right to kill their spouse for 'betraying' them!! It is unfathomable how two adults who have met when aged 25 -35 years believe that 'I own you' 'You belong to me'!!
You can't dismiss feelings. It cannot be a warm fuzzy feeling catching your beloved other being shunted by someone else for most normally adjusted people. Mental health is often overlooked in Africa.
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Termie,
This Busia man fought nail and tooth to get back his adventurous wife
https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2021379808118135/
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Vooke is this for real or a witchdoctor marketing Daktari kutoka Pemba?
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Termie,
This Busia man fought nail and tooth to get back his adventurous wife
Like Geemail says, it's seems to be a marketing hoax like the Mombasa car thieves. Targeting a region already steeped in superstitions. Yet a mainstream media outlet runs with it hook, line and sinker. There is a reason such things don't happen on the Mag-mile - too many people who would recognize lunacy on sight.
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Vooke is this for real or a witchdoctor marketing Daktari kutoka Pemba?
Now that you mention it, I think it’s a good joke
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Termie,
This Busia man fought nail and tooth to get back his adventurous wife
Like Geemail says, it's seems to be a marketing hoax like the Mombasa car thieves. Targeting a region already steeped in superstitions. Yet a mainstream media outlet runs with it hook, line and sinker. There is a reason such things don't happen on the Mag-mile - too many people who would recognize lunacy on sight.
But regardless of the fiction, the philosophy of going after the adulterer and rescuing wifey is there
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Termie,
This Busia man fought nail and tooth to get back his adventurous wife
Like Geemail says, it's seems to be a marketing hoax like the Mombasa car thieves. Targeting a region already steeped in superstitions. Yet a mainstream media outlet runs with it hook, line and sinker. There is a reason such things don't happen on the Mag-mile - too many people who would recognize lunacy on sight.
But regardless of the fiction, the philosophy of going after the adulterer and rescuing wifey is there
Either they are all nuts, both Ouma and "guy dogging his wife". Or they are pulling wool over everybody else's eyes. I believe the latter.
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Lol, Termi, I've always wondered: What happens with uchawi when it reaches the city? It seems the cure for nightrunning is a mixed neighbourhood, street lights, thugs and watchmen? :D To this day, I have never met a witness of actual uchawi. Just lots of people who know lots of people who absolutely have. I am a believer in immaterial reality and even I have a very hard time with these stories. My grandpa lived to a ripe old age and dismissed them for the same reason despite his lack of education. Used to say, "All my life I have been afraid of witches. But where are they? I have never met them." Simple enough. Lol.
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Lol, Termi, I've always wondered: What happens with uchawi when it reaches the city? It seems the cure for nightrunning is a mixed neighbourhood, street lights, thugs and watchmen? :D To this day, I have never met a witness of actual uchawi. Just lots of people who know lots of people who absolutely have. I am a believer in immaterial reality and even I have a very hard time with these stories. My grandpa lived to a ripe old age and dismissed them for the same reason despite his lack of education. Used to say, "All my life I have been afraid of witches. But where are they? I have never met them." Simple enough. Lol.
They run into challenges in the city. I have noticed in Kenya, the westerners(the kavirondo crew) and coastals are really sold onto it. Interestingly it seems to defy education levels and even social class. I know people(you would never expect) who have sought the services of witches. Among Naija, I have noticed the Igbo to be particularly prone.
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Termi, sought the services of a witch or mganga? We have mgangas in plenty but they are just your less sleek "panda-mbegu" conmen IMO. The evil variety...the mchawi...that one seems to coincide with parties to local feuds: so much that I think its just a nice little weapon to fire whenever is convenient. Everyone goes to mganga but only your enemies consult actual witchcraft, lol.
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Termi, sought the services of a witch or mganga? We have mgangas in plenty but they are just your less sleek "panda-mbegu" conmen IMO. The evil variety...the mchawi...that one seems to coincide with parties in local feuds so much that I think its just a nice little weapon to fire whenever is convenient. Everyone goes to mganga but only your enemies consult actual witchcraft, lol.
A witch. A guy who shakes bones and casts spells.
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Sure. To me thats just a pagan "miracle worker". Proof only of our peoples gullibility.
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Okoyu man send armed AP after his nephew who was chewing his wife
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-untold-story-of-Janet-Waiyaki-s-shooting-at-City-Park/1056-4573728-12ad7dx/index.html
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Okoyu man send armed AP after his nephew who was chewing his wife
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-untold-story-of-Janet-Waiyaki-s-shooting-at-City-Park/1056-4573728-12ad7dx/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-untold-story-of-Janet-Waiyaki-s-shooting-at-City-Park/1056-4573728-12ad7dx/index.html)
But the nephew has denied it.
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Okoyu man send armed AP after his nephew who was chewing his wife
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-untold-story-of-Janet-Waiyaki-s-shooting-at-City-Park/1056-4573728-12ad7dx/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-untold-story-of-Janet-Waiyaki-s-shooting-at-City-Park/1056-4573728-12ad7dx/index.html)
But the nephew has denied it.
He is not about to but everything points to that from the locale to timing