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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: bryan275 on October 29, 2017, 12:19:28 AM
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Endebess iko ndani ndani ndani.... We will live in harmony with all our neighbours. I'd push for Nairobi being converted into a neutral city state accessed by both republics.
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I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN. I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.
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I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN. I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.
Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states. Shared by both. Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.
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I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN. I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.
Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states. Shared by both. Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.
Narok and Kajiado might also be problematic, having large numbers of immigrants from the Central Republic. It looks like the People's Republic of Kenya might have to settle for an almost Palestinian like arrangement with bits of territory separated by a hostile neighbor.
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I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN. I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.
Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states. Shared by both. Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.
Narok and Kajiado might also be problematic, having large numbers of immigrants from the Central Republic. It looks like the People's Republic of Kenya might have to settle for an almost Palestinian like arrangement with bits of territory separated by a hostile neighbor.
Not exactly, it will be like Brexit. Your location on the day of the exit will determine citizenship. I know a very large group of Central diaspora that have one native. I can't wait to lose the marauding "warriors" from Uasin Gishu. They'll need visas to come across..
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Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other counties apart from core nasa area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.
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There is self determination sentiment in Matabeleland. Here is an interesting article. Bazungu did a number on the African with their lumping of folks with nothing in common into baskets like livestock for exploitation.
Zimbabwe is not one country; to pretend otherwise is a dangerous hallucination. The country has to be divided into two federal states of Mashonaland and Mthwakazi (Matabeleland). The issue of the statehood of Mthwakazi should have been resolved at the pre-independence negotiations in 1979 and the error was a tragic constitutional omission on the part of the delegation led by Joshua Nkomo. It should not have been assumed the Mthwakazians embraced the Zimbabwean identity. That assumption has never been put to test.
Zimbabwe, called Rhodesia before independence in 1980, is a former British colony. Although there are ten tribes which inhabit the country, Zimbabwe can effectively be divided into two nations, the Shona (75 per cent) and Mthwakazi, (25 per cent). Each ethnic group has further sub-divisions based on political, historical and geographical factors. Before colonisation in 1890/93, each group lived independently. However whilst Mthwakazi was a formally constituted state with all the mechanics of a government, Mashonaland existed only as a collection of scattered chiefdoms without any central authority linking them together.
The occupation of Mashonaland in 1980 was by means of a peaceful march of 500 men. The occupation of Matabeleland in 1893, on the other hand, was via an invasion force of 5 000 troops armed with the deadly Maxim gun, in a bloody war that lasted until 1894.
http://bulawayo24.com/index-id-opinion-sc-columnist-byo-120672.html (http://bulawayo24.com/index-id-opinion-sc-columnist-byo-120672.html)
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If there is food shortage in Nyanza then somewhere that food must be getting rotten and somebody is losing a lot of money. I am always the opinion that the consumer is king. Consumer can find other things to eat or Not eat but the supplier had already invested their capital and labor and it hurts more if they cannot sell their goods or services-eventually they too will not eat. Lets see who blinks first.
A lot of people in NASA zones who did not vote are telling me that not voting is the most liberating experience they have ever had and they are wondering why they had not done it earlier. Not voting was the first step
Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other counties apart from core nasa area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.
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Dreaming of sessesion is good therapy.never gonna happen.
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Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other counties apart from core nasa area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.
This is jubilee type of thinking through the stomach. Look at that map closely and then reread your foot shortage claim again.
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Kajiado is not an easy one (can go pipty pipty) now that there's gas rumors there. Bryan where is Uhurustan Empire on that map?
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Remove narok, kajiado, kisii, nyamira, some western kenya and ukambani counties from the mix and you will remain with a very unsustainable nation. Baba should think other viable alternatives.
:*Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other counties apart from core nasa area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.
This is jubilee type of thinking through the stomach. Look at that map closely and then reread your foot shortage claim again.
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It's true that sellers need buyers but in war/hostile environment you would rather have surplus food. In the week after the 8th August election a leaf of sukuma wiki was retailing at 50 shillings in kisumu. People in those regions should first begin to take charge of their economy before they start agitating for any kind of separation. During the iebc protest I went through migori, awendo, Rongo, and Hobamabay and the food situation was bad. I don't know whether the soil is just bad or people are not into farming. My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people.
If there is food shortage in Nyanza then somewhere that food must be getting rotten and somebody is losing a lot of money. I am always the opinion that the consumer is king. Consumer can find other things to eat or Not eat but the supplier had already invested their capital and labor and it hurts more if they cannot sell their goods or services-eventually they too will not eat. Lets see who blinks first.
A lot of people in NASA zones who did not vote are telling me that not voting is the most liberating experience they have ever had and they are wondering why they had not done it earlier. Not voting was the first step
Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other counties apart from core nasa area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.
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If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.
We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.
Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.
My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people.
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Counties will continue having teething problems but after a while and with a strong and empowered members of the county assemblies and a serious anticorruption campaigns they should be able to function and be more accountable to the people. A strong presidency is our undoing.
If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.
We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.
Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.
My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people.
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Secession is now squarely on the table and is gaining currency faster than I even imagined not too long ago. Not voting has really emboldened people and made them realize the power of defiance and boycott. People are already immune to teargas and they have been rendered useless. The water canons are to expensive to maintain and are breaking down, the police are tired, unfed, underpaid and cannot sustain a prolonged struggle. Live bullets is the only thing left for them but if that is over used then you will radicalize the youth further and Ruto will not be able to handle the domestic and the international PR disaster which will emanate from that.
If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.
We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.
Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.
My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people.
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Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
Robina,
Do you think free and fair elections matter in a democracy?
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Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
Robina,
Do you think free and fair elections matter in a democracy?
Ouch
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Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following due process.
Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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The problem with Robina and Ole is that they are very selective about the law and shameless hypocricy . The people who designed this sophisticated rigging machine broke the law big time. They stole the money that they used to design this illegality and irregularity; they killed Msando; they bribed IEBC officials and commissioners; they intimidated judges and scuttled a SKOC quorum; they declared a holiday to scuttle justice but when judge Odunga ruled against them, all of a sudden, three judges showed up to overturn judge Odunga's ruling. These are the kind of lawlessness we should be worried about and these are the kinds of illegalitie that destroys a democracy and not a few teenagers throwing stones at policemen in rioting gear and armed to the teeth.
Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following due process.
Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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The "sophisticated rigging machinery", the corrupt commissioners, etc are just like the peaceful boycott. Propaganda. Seems Chebukati is now corrupt too because he won't sabotage the elections. Poor man.
Losing is never good. It sucks. I supported many candidates that lost too. Stop the tribalism and respect democracy.
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You know what Robina, if you think they are just propaganda and that elections in Kenya since 2007 have been free and fair then you are entitled to that opinion and you can support Ouruto.
The "sophisticated rigging machinery", the corrupt commissioners, etc are just like the peaceful boycott. Propaganda. Seems Chebukati is now corrupt too because he won't sabotage the elections. Poor man.
Losing is never good. It sucks. I supported many candidates that lost too. Stop the tribalism and respect democracy.
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You know what Robina, if you think they are just propaganda and that elections in Kenya since 2007 have been free and fair then you are entitled to that opinion and you can support Ouruto.
The "sophisticated rigging machinery", the corrupt commissioners, etc are just like the peaceful boycott. Propaganda. Seems Chebukati is now corrupt too because he won't sabotage the elections. Poor man.
Losing is never good. It sucks. I supported many candidates that lost too. Stop the tribalism and respect democracy.
I am now convinced that Robina is both a wind up merchant and a tease.
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I am just a democratic. After backing PK, Munya, Isaac, Raila - they have all gone rogue in self righteous rage - but am still here watching them make asses of themselves. Except Munya & Ruto who have been fooled they will be CS. For Raila to take you for a ride - abusing your tribal loyalty - what does it say about you?
Candidates lose elections. Chebukati was not pulled from thin air like Kivuitu or Chesoni. So don't conflate this with 2007. Face the hard cold truth - our man Raila Odinga lost the elections - to the better men. We supported him for reasons apart hence my ability to accept this truth.
Sorry I won't join you in demonizing the IEBC. Or in newer reforms. Or the parliamentary system. Or secession. Or burning down the country. Embrace democracy.
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I agree with Robina. Raila should end the insurgency it doesn't help Kenya.
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I am just a democratic. After backing PK, Munya, Isaac, Raila - they have all gone rogue in self righteous rage - but am still here watching them make asses of themselves. Except Munya & Ruto who have been fooled they will be CS. For Raila to take you for a ride - abusing your tribal loyalty - what does it say about you?
Candidates lose elections. Chebukati was not pulled from thin air like Kivuitu or Chesoni. So don't conflate this with 2007. Face the hard cold truth - our man Raila Odinga lost the elections - to the better men. We supported him for reasons apart hence my ability to accept this truth.
Sorry I won't join you in demonizing the IEBC. Or in newer reforms. Or the parliamentary system. Or secession. Or burning down the country. Embrace democracy.
If IEBC opens their servers, I will without a second thought join Robina.
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Robina, this country is already divided into two political camps and I do not think you add value or take away to any side by joining or leaving. Just pick one side and stick to it. I am glad you are finally gathering the courage to get off the fence and have a msimamo.
I am just a democratic. After backing PK, Munya, Isaac, Raila - they have all gone rogue in self righteous rage - but am still here watching them make asses of themselves. Except Munya & Ruto who have been fooled they will be CS. For Raila to take you for a ride - abusing your tribal loyalty - what does it say about you?
Candidates lose elections. Chebukati was not pulled from thin air like Kivuitu or Chesoni. So don't conflate this with 2007. Face the hard cold truth - our man Raila Odinga lost the elections - to the better men. We supported him for reasons apart hence my ability to accept this truth.
Sorry I won't join you in demonizing the IEBC. Or in newer reforms. Or the parliamentary system. Or secession. Or burning down the country. Embrace democracy.
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In mature democracies there is a substantial independent block. I am a pioneer in Kenya.
Robina, this country is already divided into two political camps and I do not think you add value or take away to any side by joining or leaving. Just pick one side and stick to it. I am glad you are finally gathering the courage to get off the fence and have a msimamo.
I am just a democratic. After backing PK, Munya, Isaac, Raila - they have all gone rogue in self righteous rage - but am still here watching them make asses of themselves. Except Munya & Ruto who have been fooled they will be CS. For Raila to take you for a ride - abusing your tribal loyalty - what does it say about you?
Candidates lose elections. Chebukati was not pulled from thin air like Kivuitu or Chesoni. So don't conflate this with 2007. Face the hard cold truth - our man Raila Odinga lost the elections - to the better men. We supported him for reasons apart hence my ability to accept this truth.
Sorry I won't join you in demonizing the IEBC. Or in newer reforms. Or the parliamentary system. Or secession. Or burning down the country. Embrace democracy.
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When Kenya becomes a democracy many of us fighting for democracy will become independent. Those who sit in the fence during the fight for democracy cannot earn that title. The best descriptive word for them is sell-outs.
In mature democracies there is a substantial independent block. I am a pioneer in Kenya.
Robina, this country is already divided into two political camps and I do not think you add value or take away to any side by joining or leaving. Just pick one side and stick to it. I am glad you are finally gathering the courage to get off the fence and have a msimamo.
I am just a democratic. After backing PK, Munya, Isaac, Raila - they have all gone rogue in self righteous rage - but am still here watching them make asses of themselves. Except Munya & Ruto who have been fooled they will be CS. For Raila to take you for a ride - abusing your tribal loyalty - what does it say about you?
Candidates lose elections. Chebukati was not pulled from thin air like Kivuitu or Chesoni. So don't conflate this with 2007. Face the hard cold truth - our man Raila Odinga lost the elections - to the better men. We supported him for reasons apart hence my ability to accept this truth.
Sorry I won't join you in demonizing the IEBC. Or in newer reforms. Or the parliamentary system. Or secession. Or burning down the country. Embrace democracy.
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I know how I am being selective. Reread my reply to Robina. I don't think secession is the answer. The answer is more devolution, free and fair election and a corrupt free country. I don't know if you disagree with that.
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The problem with Robina and Ole is that they are very selective about the law and shameless hypocricy . The people who designed this sophisticated rigging machine broke the law big time. They stole the money that they used to design this illegality and irregularity; they killed Msando; they bribed IEBC officials and commissioners; they intimidated judges and scuttled a SKOC quorum; they declared a holiday to scuttle justice but when judge Odunga ruled against them, all of a sudden, three judges showed up to overturn judge Odunga's ruling. These are the kind of lawlessness we should be worried about and these are the kinds of illegalitie that destroys a democracy and not a few teenagers throwing stones at policemen in rioting gear and armed to the teeth.
Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following due process.
Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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Secession is the solution here. It may be long and painful but let ouruto remain with their wild west looting kleptocracy. Those who want to be pernanent and pensionable citizens of that empire are free to join the choir cheering the twosome.
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Ole, Sorry if I misunderstood your position. However, Raila is right now just asking for free and fair elections-and he is being demonized and asked to retire and disapear . What they do not understand is when Raila is out of the scene, his supporters are more radicalized and will be asking for mush more. Secession is gaining currency very first and do not be surprised if it becomes the bottom line when Raila is sent to retirement as Ruto and his supporters have always dreamnt. All we are saying is that wapende wasipende is nolonger applicable to us because the option of secession is now available to us as a political cause. We have no illusions of how long it may take but that is now an option which Ruto never thought we had in his political design where power shifts from Kalenjin to kikuyus for 100 years.
[I don't know how I am being selective. Reread my reply to Robina. I don't think secession is the answer. The answer is more devolution, free and fair election and a corrupt free country. I don't know if you disagree with that.
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The problem with Robina and Ole is that they are very selective about the law and shameless hypocricy . The people who designed this sophisticated rigging machine broke the law big time. They stole the money that they used to design this illegality and irregularity; they killed Msando; they bribed IEBC officials and commissioners; they intimidated judges and scuttled a SKOC quorum; they declared a holiday to scuttle justice but when judge Odunga ruled against them, all of a sudden, three judges showed up to overturn judge Odunga's ruling. These are the kind of lawlessness we should be worried about and these are the kinds of illegalitie that destroys a democracy and not a few teenagers throwing stones at policemen in rioting gear and armed to the teeth.
Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following due process.
Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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Secession is not as easy as you think.
Secession is the solution here. It may be long and painful but let ouruto remain with their wild west looting kleptocracy. Those who want to be pernanent and pensionable citizens of that empire are free to join the choir cheering the twosome.
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Keeping us in the Republic of Kenya under ouruto political design will be even harder.
Secession is not as easy as you think.
Secession is the solution here. It may be long and painful but let ouruto remain with their wild west looting kleptocracy. Those who want to be pernanent and pensionable citizens of that empire are free to join the choir cheering the twosome.
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I also want a free and equitable country. It'seems never good when more than half of the country feel disenfranchised and left out. But I think the best solution is completely diminishing the size of the National government. We need a system like the one in the states where life goes on no matter which party controls the presidency and or Congress. People need to feel part of the whole pie. BUT secession is not a solution. At least not now.
Ole, Sorry if I misunderstood your position. However, Raila is right now just asking for free and fair elections-and he is being demonized and asked to retire and disapear . What they do not understand is when Raila is out of the scene, his supporters are more radicalized and will be asking for mush more. Secession is gaining currency very first and do not be surprised if it becomes the bottom line when Raila is sent to retirement as Ruto and his supporters have always dreamnt. All we are saying is that wapende wasipende is nolonger applicable to us because the option of secession is now available to us as a political cause. We have no illusions of how long it may take but that is now an option which Ruto never thought we had in his political design where power shifts from Kalenjin to kikuyus for 100 years.
[I don't know how I am being selective. Reread my reply to Robina. I don't think secession is the answer. The answer is more devolution, free and fair election and a corrupt free country. I don't know if you disagree with that.
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link=topic=6164.msg49127#msg49127 date=1509286513]
The problem with Robina and Ole is that they are very selective about the law and shameless hypocricy . The people who designed this sophisticated rigging machine broke the law big time. They stole the money that they used to design this illegality and irregularity; they killed Msando; they bribed IEBC officials and commissioners; they intimidated judges and scuttled a SKOC quorum; they declared a holiday to scuttle justice but when judge Odunga ruled against them, all of a sudden, three judges showed up to overturn judge Odunga's ruling. These are the kind of lawlessness we should be worried about and these are the kinds of illegalitie that destroys a democracy and not a few teenagers throwing stones at policemen in rioting gear and armed to the teeth.
Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following due process.
Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.
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Secession is not as easy as you think.
Secession is the solution here. It may be long and painful but let ouruto remain with their wild west looting kleptocracy. Those who want to be pernanent and pensionable citizens of that empire are free to join the choir cheering the twosome.
Staying under the violent kleptocratic regime is even harder. Ruto and uhuru will be free to rule their tribal enclave for as long as they desire. Besides their dream of Odinga never leading them will be guaranteed.
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Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
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Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
NASA is not a LUO outfit, that is low intelligence Jubilidiot thinking.... I am surprised to see you advancing the same
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Learn how to respect democracy!! You are a very good student of Ouruto. God forbid they give you the security docket, you would unleash the police on us perennial luo complainants to teach us how to "respect democracy", Uthamaki and benevolent dictatorship. You are a very fast learner.
Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
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Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
NASA is not a LUO outfit, that is low intelligence Jubilidiot thinking.... I am surprised to see you advancing the same
It's actually a majority Luhya outfit. Started by MDVD of madimoni fame.
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Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
NASA is not a LUO outfit, that is low intelligence Jubilidiot thinking.... I am surprised to see you advancing the same
Well the radical clamoring does see to be Luocentric. What counties violently objected to the fresh elections?
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Kenya is a presidential democracy with a brand new constitution. All institutions have been demonized for rejecting the "reforms" charade. Even the constitution now is Jubilee's document - so we need majimbo and a magical parliamentary system. Even the observers and diplomats are all Jubilee now.
Face it. The secession and resistance are a Luocentric affair. That's the real driver of the calls to overthrow the system. TRIBALISM.
My msimamo [sic] is learn to respect democracy. Especially when it does not favor you.
NASA is not a LUO outfit, that is low intelligence Jubilidiot thinking.... I am surprised to see you advancing the same
Well the radical clamoring does see to be Luocentric. What counties violently objected to the fresh elections?
Well, looks like JEBC's streaming of "results" from Kisumu vindicated those angry youth. Their rigging suspicions were well founded. Clearly our Luo brothers and sisters had already "voted" and all the JEBC needed was to place empty ballot boxes that miraculously sprouted votes. I suspect the absence of the Luo vote is what has delayed the results.
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It looks like the People's Republic of Kenya might have to settle for an almost Palestinian like arrangement with bits of territory separated by a hostile neighbor.
Looking at how the devolution of eating has worked out, I think the old South African "homelands" would be a better "model": tinker-toy fiefdoms run by clueless, venal types .. surrounded by a larger territory run by .... in this case, similarly clueless, venal types. With one major difference, though: here, all these "leaders" have at some point been "friends", have "worked" together, and may at any time "defect" to the other side.