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Title: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on October 26, 2017, 10:26:26 AM
Equity Bank is its first casualty

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Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: RV Pundit on October 26, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
This is nonsense that no sane person will act upon. It takes years to build business relationship and folks won't just switch it off
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: 804063 on October 26, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
Equity Bank is its first casualty

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Wake me up when they boycott Mt. Kenya mbogas, Rental houses and Uhuru Government salaries paid in Uhuru fathers photo bearing currency
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on October 26, 2017, 11:15:59 AM
 :D :D How about Safaricom? I thought Bob colluded with Safran Morpho and Chirchir in the rigging.

I have never understood the sour anti-Equity grapes - do they fund Jubilee? is it the ownership? the excellent management? the outstanding performance? the countless awards? Equity is the most celebrated institution in East Africa - with Dr Mwangi the only African winner of the Global Entrepreneur award. When someone throws tantrums against them I have to question their vision for the country.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on October 26, 2017, 12:18:37 PM
:D :D How about Safaricom? I thought Bob colluded with Safran Morpho and Chirchir in the rigging.

I have never understood the sour anti-Equity grapes - do they fund Jubilee? is it the ownership? the excellent management? the outstanding performance? the countless awards? Equity is the most celebrated institution in East Africa - with Dr Mwangi the only African winner of the Global Entrepreneur award. When someone throws tantrums against them I have to question their vision for the country.



It's a round robin.   Safcom will have their day.  I've already switched lines.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: hk on October 26, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
Equity future is in equitel which is very fast gaining on mshwari and Mpesa both on merchant business and on money transfers. In addition they're collecting deposits cheaply and that's why they're closing branches or halting branch expansion.
Total, shell, oil Libya and gulf control more than 65% of the market so boycotting motorist will be forced to drive far off to fuel in most cases. Bottom line everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I doubt anyone would drive out of their way to fuel instead of fueling at the nearest  petrol station.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on October 26, 2017, 01:36:07 PM
Equity future is in equitel which is very fast gaining on mshwari and Mpesa both on merchant business and on money transfers. In addition they're collecting deposits cheaply and that's why they're closing branches or halting branch expansion.
Total, shell, oil Libya and gulf control more than 65% of the market so boycotting motorist will be forced to drive far off to fuel in most cases. Bottom line everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I doubt anyone would drive out of their way to fuel instead of fueling at the nearest  petrol station.

How do you determine which business to boycott? The tribe of the owners? the management? the clientele?
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on October 26, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
:D :D How about Safaricom? I thought Bob colluded with Safran Morpho and Chirchir in the rigging.

I have never understood the sour anti-Equity grapes - do they fund Jubilee? is it the ownership? the excellent management? the outstanding performance? the countless awards? Equity is the most celebrated institution in East Africa - with Dr Mwangi the only African winner of the Global Entrepreneur award. When someone throws tantrums against them I have to question their vision for the country.



It's a round robin.   Safcom will have their day.  I've already switched lines.

I hope you've switched the Vodafone UK  line too.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: hk on October 26, 2017, 01:59:50 PM
Equity future is in equitel which is very fast gaining on mshwari and Mpesa both on merchant business and on money transfers. In addition they're collecting deposits cheaply and that's why they're closing branches or halting branch expansion.
Total, shell, oil Libya and gulf control more than 65% of the market so boycotting motorist will be forced to drive far off to fuel in most cases. Bottom line everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I doubt anyone would drive out of their way to fuel instead of fueling at the nearest  petrol station.

How do you determine which business to boycott? The tribe of the owners? the management? the clientele?
The proponents of boycotts are supposedly targeting owners and companies that support jubilee. Boycotts won't work. NASA should boycott kplc, mama ngina is the largest single shareholder.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Kichwa on October 26, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
This is politics not economics. The threat works. There are certain things work without you knowing.

Equity future is in equitel which is very fast gaining on mshwari and Mpesa both on merchant business and on money transfers. In addition they're collecting deposits cheaply and that's why they're closing branches or halting branch expansion.
Total, shell, oil Libya and gulf control more than 65% of the market so boycotting motorist will be forced to drive far off to fuel in most cases. Bottom line everyone is driven by their own selfish reasons, I doubt anyone would drive out of their way to fuel instead of fueling at the nearest  petrol station.

How do you determine which business to boycott? The tribe of the owners? the management? the clientele?
The proponents of boycotts are supposedly targeting owners and companies that support jubilee. Boycotts won't work. NASA should boycott kplc, mama ngina is the largest single shareholder.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: patel on October 26, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Shell these are the guys who brought Hornsby. Economic boycott will work. 
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on October 26, 2017, 04:30:30 PM
:D :D How about Safaricom? I thought Bob colluded with Safran Morpho and Chirchir in the rigging.

I have never understood the sour anti-Equity grapes - do they fund Jubilee? is it the ownership? the excellent management? the outstanding performance? the countless awards? Equity is the most celebrated institution in East Africa - with Dr Mwangi the only African winner of the Global Entrepreneur award. When someone throws tantrums against them I have to question their vision for the country.



It's a round robin.   Safcom will have their day.  I've already switched lines.

I hope you've switched the Vodafone UK  line too.

You nearly caught me out Smartypants.... I'm not on Vodafone.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on October 27, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Kibra


We just getting started
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Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 03, 2017, 03:25:13 PM
PRESS STATEMENT:
LAUNCH OF ECONOMIC LIBERATION PROGRAMME BY NATIONAL RESISTANCE MOVEMENT OF NASA:
NOVEMBER 3, 2017:


On Tuesday, October 31st 2017, Principals of the National Super Alliance laid out a broad roadmap for putting the country on the path to ending electoral autocracy and returning to democracy through free, fair and credible elections.

The broad agenda the Principals rolled out include positive action programs like Economic Liberation, People’s Assembly, non-cooperation with illegal National Government and defence of the right to peaceful protest.
The principals left the task of interpreting and implementing the broad roadmap to a newly formed organ, the National Resistance Movement. 

Today therefore, we, the Parliamentary wing of the NRM are here to kick off the program of implementing one specific provision of our program for action and that is Economic Liberation.
With immediate effect, we are launching the program of ECONOMIC LIBERATION through targeted boycott of companies, corporations and businesses that are beneficiaries and supporters of this regime that is destroying Kenya and frustrating the dreams and aspirations of our people.

We have a long and comprehensive list of companies, both local and global on our radars and which we will be naming at intervals. We wish to emphasise that the list of companies will come officially and formally from NASA. Any list that will not have come from us will be fake with regard to this struggle. We ask our people to stick to the list we will provide from time to time.

Today, and with immediate effect, we call on all Kenyans who believe in free, fair and credible elections to boycott products of the following companies:
1. Safaricom
2. Brookside Dairies
3. Bidco Industries.
Besides frustrating the legitimate democratic dreams and aspirations of Kenyans, these companies have the blood of Kenyans in their hands and systems by providing solid backing for the Jubilee regime and platform for the rigging of elections. The rigging of elections has led to death of innocent Kenyans shot dead by police in 2007, 2013 and now 2017.
In August, 10-year-old Stephanie Moraa was shot dead in Mathare North Area 2 for no reason at all Chris Msando was tortured and killed because the Jubilee regime with the backing of these companies, needed power at all costs to continue benefitting these companies. The list is long.

These companies provide goods and services supplied by people with the blood of Kenyans on their hands. They provide goods and services supplied by people who support those with the blood of Kenyans on their hands.
These companies provide goods and services which are used to abuse the rights of Kenyans and result in the death of Kenyans. Their goods, services and market proceeds are used to support people who have the blood of Kenyans on their hands.

Safaricom’s conspiracy to defeat the will of Kenyans in the 2017 elections has been widely canvassed.
It is a matter of public record that Safaricom was contracted by the IEBC to transmit election results from the KIEMS kits at the polling stations to the IEBC servers. All this data was to be conveyed via Virtual Private Network (VPN) to ensure that there was no tampering with the results before reaching the servers. It has since come to our knowledge that one of these VPNs terminated at a cloud server registered in Spain but operated from France under the control of OT Morpho.

Consequently, results from the polling station KIEMS kits left the country but never found their way back to IEBC. None of the kits under Safaricom’s network ever got their results onto the IEBC’s public web portal. Furthermore, when purported results started streaming onto the portal without accompanying forms 34A/B, Safaricom’s senior management knew that these results did not come from the KIEMS kits. The company chose to do nothing.

Moreover, between July 25th and July 27th, the period immediately prior to the disappearance of Acting IEBC ICT Director, Chris Msando, hundreds of KIEMS kits were stolen from the IEBC.  The same stolen KIEMS kits were allowed to continue operating on the Safaricom network even though the company’s management knew those kits were not under the control of the IEBC.
Safaricom has the blood of Kenyans like Chris Msando in its hands. It has to pay for it.

We're calling for a boycott that will hurt, a boycott that will be painful, a boycott that will bring these corporations on their knees and to their senses until they stand up for electoral justice expressed through free, fair and credible elections.
We are aware that the ruthless determination by the Jubilee administration to stay in power at any cost is not an end in itself.  Primitive accumulation of money is the motive.  In turn, this money is used to subvert and undermine our democracy.
The boycott of Brookside Dairies, like BIDCO Industries, provide goods and services supplied by people with the blood of Kenyans on their hands. They provide goods and services supplied by people who support those with the blood of Kenyans on their hands. Their goods, services and market proceeds are used to support people who have the blood of Kenyans on their hands. And, like Safaricom, they have presided over economic regimes that impoverish rather than empower Kenyans.
When Jubilee took power, dairy farmers were being paid a maximum of Ksh.35 per litre. Consumers were paying Ksh.72 per litre (Sh. 36 per half litre packet).  Today, farmers will be lucky to get Sh. 35 per litre yet consumers are paying Sh. 120 per kilo (Sh.60 per half litre packet). The processors margin has increased almost threefold.

These are the spoils of power our children are paying for with their lives.  This economic exploitation is in addition to supporting political programs that have entrenched electoral autocracy and rigged elections.
We are not powerless.  We are after all the farmers and consumers of milk.

We are asking our people to explore alternatives. Years ago, all our milk processing was done by KCC and other cooperatives.  Today, we are asking our supporters to support our farmers’ cooperatives.  We are asking our farmers to organize themselves to sell their milk to consumers directly by avoiding Brookside Dairies and Bidco.
We are telling our people: Check the label SOMA LABEL and act accordingly.
Product by product, we will liberate ourselves from oligarchs, monopolies and cartels.

We want to replace cartel products with cottage industries that create jobs and circulate money in our local economies.
Our people are among the most creative and enterprising in the region. We must tap into this tradition. We can manufacture soap and cooking in our backyards and save ourselves from Bidco. We can produce edible oils and support our local farmers to produce oil crops.

We shall be announcing more economic liberation initiatives in the coming days.
The end game is that we be the people who will end electoral fraud not only in Kenya but in all of Africa and be the team that will uproot the evil culture of sham elections with pre-determined outcomes.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 04:04:02 PM
Safaricom just announced 22B half year profit. The Ag CEO is one Joseph Ogutu 8) This must be very hard to swallow.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 04:10:57 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Dear Mami on November 03, 2017, 04:12:11 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management
Why is that important?
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 03, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Safaricom just announced 22B half year profit. The Ag CEO is one Joseph Ogutu 8) This must be very hard to swallow.

Conspiracy theorists already tell us that Bob left precisely for his role in rigging nane nane and threats of boycott.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 04:15:20 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management
Why is that important?

It's a "kikuyu business " like Equity.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 03, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
Only a matter of time before MPesa kiosks go up in flames
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
Safaricom just announced 22B half year profit. The Ag CEO is one Joseph Ogutu 8) This must be very hard to swallow.

Conspiracy theorists already tell us that Bob left precisely for his role in rigging nane nane and threats of boycott.

Really? I hope it's true. That would be so much better than cancer.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Dear Mami on November 03, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management
Why is that important?

It's a "kikuyu business " like Equity.
My understanding: Kikuyu businesses are not the target. Business colluders/supporters of Jubilee are. The tribes of the CEOs won't matter.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management
Why is that important?

It's a "kikuyu business " like Equity.
My understanding: Kikuyu businesses are not the target. Business colluders/supporters of Jubilee are. The tribes of the CEOs won't matter.

Why Equity Bank?
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Dear Mami on November 03, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
Probably gave money to Muigai or something like that. They are trying to pinch influencers of Muigai's siasa.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 03, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
Safaricom has 12 executives.
Of these 9 are Kenyan.
Of these 5 are Luo.
2 Kamba.
1 Kikuyu.
1 Kalenjin.

https://www.safaricom.co.ke/about/about-safaricom/who-we-are/senior-management


If these guys were serious, they wouldn't be throwing around silly boycotts in a country with limited choices for the common wanainchi. Mpesa, among other Safcom products, is the lifeblood of many a Kenyans.

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Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: RV Pundit on November 03, 2017, 05:45:16 PM
This will only achieve one thing....make nasa financiers ran away...and having boycotted elections therefore starving itself of gok funding...Raila is even more kaput.Raila is basically undoing all the progress he has made as he works hard to become militia leader.Raila should simply honor his mou and let kalonzo try his luck in 2022.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 03, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
Hehe. I think with 60 MPs ODM still hits the 5% mark - and qualify for 10% of the party fund - as Jubilee bags 90%

This will only achieve one thing....make nasa financiers ran away...and having boycotted elections therefore starving itself of gok funding...Raila is even more kaput.Raila is basically undoing all the progress he has made as he works hard to become militia leader.Raila should simply honor his mou and let kalonzo try his luck in 2022.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Ole on November 03, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
Does Airtel or Telcom have an mpesa type of product?
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 03, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
Does Airtel or Telcom have an mpesa type of product?
Yeah they do...Airtel Money, not sure about Telkom’s product

Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on November 03, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
I've activated migration to Airtel.  To hell with electoral fraudsters and their enablers.

Kumbe brookside has been killing dairy farmers. 
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 04, 2017, 05:36:38 AM
I've activated migration to Airtel.  To hell with electoral fraudsters and their enablers.

Kumbe brookside has been killing dairy farmers. 

I use Equitel for mobile banking (just used the sim card to activate the app), Airtel for dirt cheap but horribly slow internet speed(used on my iPad from which I tether my phone while out of the house), and Safaricom for life( home internet, voice,text,MPesa,Neteller,Skrill...Mkesho,Mshwari for a church chama)

Idiots will just get an Airtel line but retain the saf line for Mpesa
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 04, 2017, 05:46:01 AM
Enter conspiracy theories

Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 04, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 04, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
Airtel taking full advantage of the call to boycott Safcon. [emoji23]

Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Kichwa on November 04, 2017, 03:36:15 PM
Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 04, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
The cost of demos is thrown around as 700B but no explanation of the figure is forthcoming

What’s the realistic cost to the economy of this stalemate?
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on November 05, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
The cost of demos is thrown around as 700B but no explanation of the figure is forthcoming

What’s the realistic cost to the economy of this stalemate?

That's a Mickey mouse number designed to shock the public.  The finance CS has it 1% gdp making it 80b.

The eventual cost of corruption and poor governance is the entire nation, lost lives etc.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 05, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Nefertiti on November 05, 2017, 06:10:49 PM
Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.

Kindly note anything Raila does is empowering and democratic. All for the greater good.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 06, 2017, 07:32:55 AM
The cost of demos is thrown around as 700B but no explanation of the figure is forthcoming

What’s the realistic cost to the economy of this stalemate?

That's a Mickey mouse number designed to shock the public.  The finance CS has it 1% gdp making it 80b.

The eventual cost of corruption and poor governance is the entire nation, lost lives etc.

Agreed
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on November 06, 2017, 03:08:39 PM
Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.

Cynically wondering aloud.  I note that the anti-competitive environment driven by Safcom is being dismantled right before our eyes.  Strive would have an interesting story to tell about his YU network and what happened when he tried to venture into the market. 

The rise of politically connected monopolies in Kenya only hurts the people and further encourages injustice in various forms.  i.e  consumer rights, price fixing, electoral and even economic.

Turns out Airtel have better offerings and the people are discovering this.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 06, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.

Cynically wondering aloud.  I note that the anti-competitive environment driven by Safcom is being dismantled right before our eyes.  Strive would have an interesting story to tell about his YU network and what happened when he tried to venture into the market. 

The rise of politically connected monopolies in Kenya only hurts the people and further encourages injustice in various forms.  i.e  consumer rights, price fixing, electoral and even economic.

Turns out Airtel have better offerings and the people are discovering this.
How 'bout KPLC?

http://venturesafrica.com/mama-kenyatta-becomes-kenya-powers-fourth-largest-investor/
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Kichwa on November 06, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
Kenya has been the most "peaceful" country in the region since independence and yet the poor were never economically empowered. This is because you cannot empower people economically if they are not politically empowered.  This is why political empowerment is the first step to achieve economic empowerment.  That is why I personally do not pay any mind to those who go around preaching peace and development in a political environment where Arap Mashamba is crowing how the 2017, 2022, and 2027 elections are forgone conclusions. He is even parading Muhoho as his successor in 2032. Ouruto had devised an elaborate  system where in their minds Kenyans would vote "peacefully", and then, at the presidential level or any other local contest they desire to influence,  the  votes cast by wanainchi would be  substituted to reflect their desired out come.  What NASA is doing is breaking and dismantling this system so that Wanainchi can be empowered again politically.  The economy may have to suffer until this political dictatorship is broken, otherwise the political victims of this primitive system must secede and chart their own destiny.  Kenya was a creation of the Europeans and there is really no need for those of us who do not feel part of it to cling to it forever as slaves of certain tribes who consider themselves superior in fake numbers.

Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 06, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
Kenya has been the most "peaceful" country in the region since independence and yet the poor were never economically empowered. This is because you cannot empower people economically if they are not politically empowered.  This is why political empowerment is the first step to achieve economic empowerment.  That is why I personally do not pay any mind to those who go around preaching peace and development in a political environment where Arap Mashamba is crowing how the 2017, 2022, and 2027 elections are forgone conclusions. He is even parading Muhoho as his successor in 2032. Ouruto had devised an elaborate  system where in their minds Kenyans would vote "peacefully", and then, at the presidential level or any other local contest they desire to influence,  the  votes cast by wanainchi would be  substituted to reflect their desired out come.  What NASA is doing is breaking and dismantling this system so that Wanainchi can be empowered again politically.  The economy may have to suffer until this political dictatorship is broken, otherwise the political victims of this primitive system must secede and chart their own destiny.  Kenya was a creation of the Europeans and there is really no need for those of us who do not feel part of it to cling to it forever as slaves of certain tribes who consider themselves superior in fake numbers.

Your analysis is understandable under the current politicians driven politics. What Raila is doing is empowering the people and letting them take over.  Once the people are fully empowered, no politician will dare get off the line. We will teach the people how to demonstrate peacefully, graciously and with humility,  like they do in the West and then more people will come to the streets including people with jobs, businessmen and women, middle class and people will even bring children. Time is on our side.

Like I'd mentioned before, NASA governors now fearing their looting will be affected:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/11/04/nasa-governors-misgivings-with-raila-game-plan_c1663914

Expect Senators , MPs and MCAs to start having silent misgivings also.
I wonder how the poor can be said to be empowered when there is, as far as I can tell, not a single meaningful step being taken by both coalitions to provide a conducive economic environment for said empowerment.

Not trying to be cynical, just wondering out aloud.
Illogical.

How politically empowered are the citizens of China?

Believing the lies of politicians, from both coalitions, is one of our major problems as Kenyans...or maybe it's us trying to justify our tribal leaning. [emoji848]
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 06, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Mbadi explaining Safcon boycott
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 06, 2017, 07:37:20 PM
Mbadi explaining Safcon boycott
He should boycott receiving his salaries which in part comes from taxes paid by Safcom, Bidco, etc.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on November 07, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
Mbadi explaining Safcon boycott
He should boycott receiving his salaries which in part comes from taxes paid by Safcom, Bidco, etc.

Turns out that bidco are masterful tax dodgers. 
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 07, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
Mbadi explaining Safcon boycott
He should boycott receiving his salaries which in part comes from taxes paid by Safcom, Bidco, etc.

Turns out that bidco are masterful tax dodgers.
Err, almost all companies in .ke who have political connections across the spectrum are.

Indeed, only very few "dumb" ones in the private sector pay taxes fully otherwise they'll be very uncompetitive in the market.
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: vooke on November 07, 2017, 02:03:10 PM
WHAT H.E RAILA ODINGA’S CALL FOR BOYCOTT MEANS.

By N Magaya

A lot has been said about the boycott of Safaricom, Bidco and Brookside. But not much is being said about what a boycott actually means.

If you listen to Hon David Murathe speak, you will understand the thinking of the ethnocracy. David Murathe confidently says “these people are protesting because they have no stake in the economy”.

If you meet your typical ethnic supremacist, that is the narrative they have – we own the economy, you people are just buyers. What they don’t say is that this state of things originated from land acquisition in the 60s and 70s and the redistribution of such land to a specific people.

That is the background. You have a state built on ethnocracy, that looks upon some of its citizens as poor, backward people whose only use is as a market. That is why the cynical and condescending sham of October 26th happened.

So how does a boycott come into this?

A boycott is a strategic move because it can be steered in a way that gives power to the market rather than the supplier. If the declared boycott of Safaricom is followed through with MPs and MCAs leading constituents to Airtel lines to ‘vote’ with their SIM cards, then in a few weeks millions of people can move to Airtel from Safaricom. Then NASA can begin to lead constituents in a similar fashion to MPESA alternatives. The idea is to divorce the people from the economy that the ethnocracy controls.

If it can be demonstrated by example that NASA can actually move people away from a company en masse, then a new respect will emerge among the wealthy for their market. This is a very good outcome.

NASA represents parts of Kenya that have faced marginalization for decades. The Coast has suffered because of historical land injustices.

Luo Nyanza has suffered because opportunities were denied and leaders killed.

Northern Kenya has suffered because the government did not invest in it.

Western has suffered because of deals between Uhuru and Museveni that have killed sugar industry. These and more have made such regions so destitute that they can only function as consumers. Much of Kenya’s industrial and agricultural output is in Central and the Rift Valley – by design. Which makes some regions producers of goods, services and employment, while others are consumers. Because of this, we are expected to kneel before our economy owners/masters or face unemployment and starvation. How is this then a democratic market economy?

Safaricom as a network has been involved in many of the crimes committed against citizens. Bidco’s owners are alleged big donors of both PNU and Jubilee. Brookside has created a dairy monopoly in Kenya and then made deals with Uganda to sell milk there and in return allow Ugandan sugar into Kenya at the expense of Mumias, Sony, Ramisi and the rest.

These are companies that employ Kenyans yes, but must we live under tyranny simply for want of employment? When Kenya is free of Jubilee regime do we not have minds that can run these and even bigger and better companies?

Remember how the colonialists mocked Africans for wanting independence by saying we could not handle it because we could not even manufacture a needle? Are we not independent now and making needles? Will we then continue dying from police bullets, living under fake democracy and suffering ethnic-based marginalization simply because we are afraid of losing jobs? Why are we like this?

Let Safaricom fall if that is what it takes. The post-Jubilee government will make a new Safaricom that does not aid in election fraud. Let Bidco fall if that is what it takes. If every county has its own vegetable oil press that will be more employment and none of the profit will be spent on oathing and militias that are killing people in Kisumu. Let Brookside fall if that is what it takes. Is the science of dairy farming only known to the Kenyattas? Must we buy milk from them? Are our villages and farms unable to have milk processing plants?

Revolution is not eating ice-cream. Resistance is not a romantic holiday. There must be some sacrifice in order for the greater good to be secured for the future. Are we going to sit and complain about little inconveniences when the very constitution that allows us the space to complain and resist was achieved through blood, long prison sentences and torture? Do you think the clamor for multi-partyism was silly people complaining about the coldness of the prison cells?

There cannot be any reform if everyone sits and complains about the process. Every revolution starts somewhere.

The Arab spring began with a single man setting himself on fire in Tunisia. People took action, they did not sit and discuss the brand of fuel the man used.


(https://s1.postimg.org/8onzr95o2n/D86_F5279-8_D0_E-42_DE-_AA1_F-10_D2769_C1709.jpg)
Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: Empedocles on November 07, 2017, 02:19:08 PM
WHAT H.E RAILA ODINGA’S CALL FOR BOYCOTT MEANS.

By N Magaya

A lot has been said about the boycott of Safaricom, Bidco and Brookside. But not much is being said about what a boycott actually means.

If you listen to Hon David Murathe speak, you will understand the thinking of the ethnocracy. David Murathe confidently says “these people are protesting because they have no stake in the economy”.

If you meet your typical ethnic supremacist, that is the narrative they have – we own the economy, you people are just buyers. What they don’t say is that this state of things originated from land acquisition in the 60s and 70s and the redistribution of such land to a specific people.

That is the background. You have a state built on ethnocracy, that looks upon some of its citizens as poor, backward people whose only use is as a market. That is why the cynical and condescending sham of October 26th happened.

So how does a boycott come into this?

A boycott is a strategic move because it can be steered in a way that gives power to the market rather than the supplier. If the declared boycott of Safaricom is followed through with MPs and MCAs leading constituents to Airtel lines to ‘vote’ with their SIM cards, then in a few weeks millions of people can move to Airtel from Safaricom. Then NASA can begin to lead constituents in a similar fashion to MPESA alternatives. The idea is to divorce the people from the economy that the ethnocracy controls.

If it can be demonstrated by example that NASA can actually move people away from a company en masse, then a new respect will emerge among the wealthy for their market. This is a very good outcome.

NASA represents parts of Kenya that have faced marginalization for decades. The Coast has suffered because of historical land injustices.

Luo Nyanza has suffered because opportunities were denied and leaders killed.

Northern Kenya has suffered because the government did not invest in it.

Western has suffered because of deals between Uhuru and Museveni that have killed sugar industry. These and more have made such regions so destitute that they can only function as consumers. Much of Kenya’s industrial and agricultural output is in Central and the Rift Valley – by design. Which makes some regions producers of goods, services and employment, while others are consumers. Because of this, we are expected to kneel before our economy owners/masters or face unemployment and starvation. How is this then a democratic market economy?

Safaricom as a network has been involved in many of the crimes committed against citizens. Bidco’s owners are alleged big donors of both PNU and Jubilee. Brookside has created a dairy monopoly in Kenya and then made deals with Uganda to sell milk there and in return allow Ugandan sugar into Kenya at the expense of Mumias, Sony, Ramisi and the rest.

These are companies that employ Kenyans yes, but must we live under tyranny simply for want of employment? When Kenya is free of Jubilee regime do we not have minds that can run these and even bigger and better companies?

Remember how the colonialists mocked Africans for wanting independence by saying we could not handle it because we could not even manufacture a needle? Are we not independent now and making needles? Will we then continue dying from police bullets, living under fake democracy and suffering ethnic-based marginalization simply because we are afraid of losing jobs? Why are we like this?

Let Safaricom fall if that is what it takes. The post-Jubilee government will make a new Safaricom that does not aid in election fraud. Let Bidco fall if that is what it takes. If every county has its own vegetable oil press that will be more employment and none of the profit will be spent on oathing and militias that are killing people in Kisumu. Let Brookside fall if that is what it takes. Is the science of dairy farming only known to the Kenyattas? Must we buy milk from them? Are our villages and farms unable to have milk processing plants?

Revolution is not eating ice-cream. Resistance is not a romantic holiday. There must be some sacrifice in order for the greater good to be secured for the future. Are we going to sit and complain about little inconveniences when the very constitution that allows us the space to complain and resist was achieved through blood, long prison sentences and torture? Do you think the clamor for multi-partyism was silly people complaining about the coldness of the prison cells?

There cannot be any reform if everyone sits and complains about the process. Every revolution starts somewhere.

The Arab spring began with a single man setting himself on fire in Tunisia. People took action, they did not sit and discuss the brand of fuel the man used.


(https://s1.postimg.org/8onzr95o2n/D86_F5279-8_D0_E-42_DE-_AA1_F-10_D2769_C1709.jpg)
Even though I find NASA's boycott a brainless endeavor, this tweet by the CA is even more silly:

Title: Re: NASWA Revolution bites hard
Post by: bryan275 on November 07, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
WHAT H.E RAILA ODINGA’S CALL FOR BOYCOTT MEANS.

By N Magaya

A lot has been said about the boycott of Safaricom, Bidco and Brookside. But not much is being said about what a boycott actually means.

If you listen to Hon David Murathe speak, you will understand the thinking of the ethnocracy. David Murathe confidently says “these people are protesting because they have no stake in the economy”.

If you meet your typical ethnic supremacist, that is the narrative they have – we own the economy, you people are just buyers. What they don’t say is that this state of things originated from land acquisition in the 60s and 70s and the redistribution of such land to a specific people.

That is the background. You have a state built on ethnocracy, that looks upon some of its citizens as poor, backward people whose only use is as a market. That is why the cynical and condescending sham of October 26th happened.

So how does a boycott come into this?

A boycott is a strategic move because it can be steered in a way that gives power to the market rather than the supplier. If the declared boycott of Safaricom is followed through with MPs and MCAs leading constituents to Airtel lines to ‘vote’ with their SIM cards, then in a few weeks millions of people can move to Airtel from Safaricom. Then NASA can begin to lead constituents in a similar fashion to MPESA alternatives. The idea is to divorce the people from the economy that the ethnocracy controls.

If it can be demonstrated by example that NASA can actually move people away from a company en masse, then a new respect will emerge among the wealthy for their market. This is a very good outcome.

NASA represents parts of Kenya that have faced marginalization for decades. The Coast has suffered because of historical land injustices.

Luo Nyanza has suffered because opportunities were denied and leaders killed.

Northern Kenya has suffered because the government did not invest in it.

Western has suffered because of deals between Uhuru and Museveni that have killed sugar industry. These and more have made such regions so destitute that they can only function as consumers. Much of Kenya’s industrial and agricultural output is in Central and the Rift Valley – by design. Which makes some regions producers of goods, services and employment, while others are consumers. Because of this, we are expected to kneel before our economy owners/masters or face unemployment and starvation. How is this then a democratic market economy?

Safaricom as a network has been involved in many of the crimes committed against citizens. Bidco’s owners are alleged big donors of both PNU and Jubilee. Brookside has created a dairy monopoly in Kenya and then made deals with Uganda to sell milk there and in return allow Ugandan sugar into Kenya at the expense of Mumias, Sony, Ramisi and the rest.

These are companies that employ Kenyans yes, but must we live under tyranny simply for want of employment? When Kenya is free of Jubilee regime do we not have minds that can run these and even bigger and better companies?

Remember how the colonialists mocked Africans for wanting independence by saying we could not handle it because we could not even manufacture a needle? Are we not independent now and making needles? Will we then continue dying from police bullets, living under fake democracy and suffering ethnic-based marginalization simply because we are afraid of losing jobs? Why are we like this?

Let Safaricom fall if that is what it takes. The post-Jubilee government will make a new Safaricom that does not aid in election fraud. Let Bidco fall if that is what it takes. If every county has its own vegetable oil press that will be more employment and none of the profit will be spent on oathing and militias that are killing people in Kisumu. Let Brookside fall if that is what it takes. Is the science of dairy farming only known to the Kenyattas? Must we buy milk from them? Are our villages and farms unable to have milk processing plants?

Revolution is not eating ice-cream. Resistance is not a romantic holiday. There must be some sacrifice in order for the greater good to be secured for the future. Are we going to sit and complain about little inconveniences when the very constitution that allows us the space to complain and resist was achieved through blood, long prison sentences and torture? Do you think the clamor for multi-partyism was silly people complaining about the coldness of the prison cells?

There cannot be any reform if everyone sits and complains about the process. Every revolution starts somewhere.

The Arab spring began with a single man setting himself on fire in Tunisia. People took action, they did not sit and discuss the brand of fuel the man used.


(https://s1.postimg.org/8onzr95o2n/D86_F5279-8_D0_E-42_DE-_AA1_F-10_D2769_C1709.jpg)
Even though I find NASA's boycott a brainless endeavor, this tweet by the CA is even more silly:



That tweet is off the jubilee press.  It might as well have been signed PPU or i36.

#Resist