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Title: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: vooke on October 07, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
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Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: bryan275 on October 07, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
And these jubilidiots still claim to have the numbers...
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: RV Pundit on October 07, 2017, 07:49:44 PM
Good move.Gok need to wary of nefarious activities by ngos.why on earth do a well funded judiciary require ngo funding.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kichwa on October 07, 2017, 09:57:27 PM

Ouru and his Gema mafia will regret the day he let Kalenjin crazies like you take over the government. They will lose all the money they thought they would gain in the Kalenjin/kikuyu association.

Good move.Gok need to wary of nefarious activities by ngos.why on earth do a well funded judiciary require ngo funding.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Omollo on October 07, 2017, 10:20:46 PM
One more reason why every effort must be made to ensure Uhuru and Ruto go home.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: gout on October 08, 2017, 09:21:45 AM
The dollar flow has been an important economic factor but since 2013 the choking of the free mzungu monies is just crazy. It is good to see the choking affecting per diems and allowances of the government goat heads.

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Key arms of the government and a number of ministries could be hit hard after the decision of the State to shut down the offices of the International Development Law Organisation (IDLO) and stop its activities in the country.

Among the institutions that have benefited from IDLO activities include Parliament, Judiciary, Office of the Deputy President, Office of the Attorney General, the National Gender and Equality Commission, the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights and the National Council for Administration of Justice.

Others include the ministries of Mining, National Treasury, Devolution and Planning, Public Service, Youth and Gender Affairs, Environment and Natural Resources, Kenya Law Reform Commission and Council of Governors.

National Treasury Cabinet Secretary Henry Rotich told the Nation that he would check the areas they were coordinating with IDLO before knowing the consequence of their absence.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/State-hard-hit-by-own-move-to-shut-prolific-donor-NGO-/1056-4129896-5g8cy4/index.html

With the looting mzungu has done on Africa, we should have no quarrels with such monies - but not when you are Uhuruto choir.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
There are key sector of governance where any external funding should be vetted by NSIS and Parliament. NGOs are big sector in kenya and it's about time they were regulated, watched and put on a tight leash. Parliament should immediately grant more powers to Fazul...so NGO Board can improve it's monitoring and regulatory abilities.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Nefertiti on October 08, 2017, 01:30:23 PM
Seriously speaking what's wrong with the judiciary seeking and/or accepting funds for its programmes? They are an equal and independent arm of the state, no? PORK can accept - nay borrow - billions from all over. So long as NIS, EACC, etc vet malicious intent or corruption - they can work with anyone they want. Same for Parliament - attending seminars, learning about programs, etc - as part of their work.

Of course if IDLO has nefarious intent it should be shut down and officials prosecuted or deported.

There are key sector of governance where any external funding should be vetted by NSIS and Parliament. NGOs are big sector in kenya and it's about time they were regulated, watched and put on a tight leash. Parliament should immediately grant more powers to Fazul...so NGO Board can improve it's monitoring and regulatory abilities.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: vooke on October 08, 2017, 02:21:50 PM
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Georgesoros on October 08, 2017, 03:21:14 PM

"They do research" and provide the necessary documentation for judgment. This is an evil organization.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: bryan275 on October 08, 2017, 03:28:37 PM

When are the jubilee embedees at iebc being smoked out?
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Georgesoros on October 08, 2017, 03:31:16 PM

When are the jubilee embedees at iebc being smoked out?

Going by this my conclusion is that these are not very bright people leading govt.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 05:59:38 PM
That is exactly what I said - all funding including grants/gifts/donations to GOK should be vet by parliament, possibly the auditor general, budget controller, eacc and NIS. We just need more regulation and controls...because it very easy for rich nations or individuals to buy themselves a country through such NGO.

NGO like everyone else need to be regulated. All the way including all these fake churches. Children homes ran by peodhiles. NGOS that are nothing by CIA or foreign forces cover. NGOS now are being used to launder money locally. Both the funding and activities of NGOS need to be monitored and heavily regulated. Fazul need the tools to do this in professional, fair and impartial manner.

Seriously speaking what's wrong with the judiciary seeking and/or accepting funds for its programmes? They are an equal and independent arm of the state, no? PORK can accept - nay borrow - billions from all over. So long as NIS, EACC, etc vet malicious intent or corruption - they can work with anyone they want. Same for Parliament - attending seminars, learning about programs, etc - as part of their work.

Of course if IDLO has nefarious intent it should be shut down and officials prosecuted or deported.

There are key sector of governance where any external funding should be vetted by NSIS and Parliament. NGOs are big sector in kenya and it's about time they were regulated, watched and put on a tight leash. Parliament should immediately grant more powers to Fazul...so NGO Board can improve it's monitoring and regulatory abilities.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 


That is exactly what I said - all funding including grants/gifts/donations to GOK should be vet by parliament, possibly the auditor general, budget controller, eacc and NIS. We just need more regulation and controls...because it very easy for rich nations or individuals to buy themselves a country through such NGO.

NGO like everyone else need to be regulated. All the way including all these fake churches. Children homes ran by peodhiles. NGOS that are nothing by CIA or foreign forces cover. NGOS now are being used to launder money locally. Both the funding and activities of NGOS need to be monitored and heavily regulated. Fazul need the tools to do this in professional, fair and impartial manner.

Seriously speaking what's wrong with the judiciary seeking and/or accepting funds for its programmes? They are an equal and independent arm of the state, no? PORK can accept - nay borrow - billions from all over. So long as NIS, EACC, etc vet malicious intent or corruption - they can work with anyone they want. Same for Parliament - attending seminars, learning about programs, etc - as part of their work.

Of course if IDLO has nefarious intent it should be shut down and officials prosecuted or deported.

There are key sector of governance where any external funding should be vetted by NSIS and Parliament. NGOs are big sector in kenya and it's about time they were regulated, watched and put on a tight leash. Parliament should immediately grant more powers to Fazul...so NGO Board can improve it's monitoring and regulatory abilities.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 06:20:08 PM
Nope. If these guys have embedded themselves into judiciary and have been drafting judgement - then it no wonder we are in a crisis now - economy is bleeding - and we will lose maybe 100B. And SCORK made a judgement that is nothing but moronic (see the debate about form 34s) based on a scrutiny report that is know subject to fraud investigation. There will be a lot of lessons to be learnt here.

This is yet another wake up call - after we saw Ocampo (see the leaks) parade Kenya leaders before ICC based on cooked evidence through the same NGOS.

It time NGOS were heavily monitored and regulated like everyone else. They are pretty powerful esp in Kenya.

Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 07:01:01 PM
Economy bleeding? Maybe you should blame those who stole the elections in the first place.  NASA offered to concede if IEBC opened up the servers to verify the results but your man Ruto refused. They urged NASA to go to court and the SCOK gave Jubilee a dog beating 4-2.  Now instead of taking responsibility for the political mess your mans has created, you blame the court and everybody else?


Nope. If these guys have embedded themselves into judiciary and have been drafting judgement - then it no wonder we are in a crisis now - economy is bleeding - and we will lose maybe 100B. And SCORK made a judgement that is nothing but moronic (see the debate about form 34s) based on a scrutiny report that is know subject to fraud investigation. There will be a lot of lessons to be learnt here.

This is yet another wake up call - after we saw Ocampo (see the leaks) parade Kenya leaders before ICC based on cooked evidence through the same NGOS.

It time NGOS were heavily monitored and regulated like everyone else. They are pretty powerful esp in Kenya.

Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 07:04:51 PM
Nobody has opposed the server being opened. If I am not wrong they were already opened and nothing found there. The economy is bleeding because NASA don't want elections and so it creating instability. As regard to SCORK - the decision was moronic because
1) Chebukati is back asking them to clarify what they meant by verification.
2) Investigative agency are looking into possible criminal manipulation & fraud during scrutiny.
3) It has emerged an NGO has embedded itself to the very apex of judiciary and just got kicked out.
Economy bleeding? Maybe you should blame those who stole the elections in the first place.  NASA offered to concede if IEBC opened up the servers to verify the results but your man Ruto refused. They urged NASA to go to court and the SCOK gave Jubilee a dog beating 4-2.  Now instead of taking responsibility for the political mess your mans has created, you blame the court and everybody else?
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: vooke on October 08, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
Economy bleeding? Maybe you should blame those who stole the elections in the first place.  NASA offered to concede if IEBC opened up the servers to verify the results but your man Ruto refused. They urged NASA to go to court and the SCOK gave Jubilee a dog beating 4-2.  Now instead of taking responsibility for the political mess your mans has created, you blame the court and everybody else?


Nope. If these guys have embedded themselves into judiciary and have been drafting judgement - then it no wonder we are in a crisis now - economy is bleeding - and we will lose maybe 100B. And SCORK made a judgement that is nothing but moronic (see the debate about form 34s) based on a scrutiny report that is know subject to fraud investigation. There will be a lot of lessons to be learnt here.

This is yet another wake up call - after we saw Ocampo (see the leaks) parade Kenya leaders before ICC based on cooked evidence through the same NGOS.

It time NGOS were heavily monitored and regulated like everyone else. They are pretty powerful esp in Kenya.

Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 

IEBC offered an independent audit of the system over one month ago
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5482.0

So this silly chorus of ‘open the servers’ is a red herring
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 08:06:45 PM
Economy bleeding? Maybe you should blame those who stole the elections in the first place.  NASA offered to concede if IEBC opened up the servers to verify the results but your man Ruto refused. They urged NASA to go to court and the SCOK gave Jubilee a dog beating 4-2.  Now instead of taking responsibility for the political mess your mans has created, you blame the court and everybody else?


Nope. If these guys have embedded themselves into judiciary and have been drafting judgement - then it no wonder we are in a crisis now - economy is bleeding - and we will lose maybe 100B. And SCORK made a judgement that is nothing but moronic (see the debate about form 34s) based on a scrutiny report that is know subject to fraud investigation. There will be a lot of lessons to be learnt here.

This is yet another wake up call - after we saw Ocampo (see the leaks) parade Kenya leaders before ICC based on cooked evidence through the same NGOS.

It time NGOS were heavily monitored and regulated like everyone else. They are pretty powerful esp in Kenya.

Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 

IEBC offered an independent audit of the system over one month ago
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5482.0

So this silly chorus of ‘open the servers’ is a red herring

So, how come the audit has not been done?
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: vooke on October 08, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
Economy bleeding? Maybe you should blame those who stole the elections in the first place.  NASA offered to concede if IEBC opened up the servers to verify the results but your man Ruto refused. They urged NASA to go to court and the SCOK gave Jubilee a dog beating 4-2.  Now instead of taking responsibility for the political mess your mans has created, you blame the court and everybody else?


Nope. If these guys have embedded themselves into judiciary and have been drafting judgement - then it no wonder we are in a crisis now - economy is bleeding - and we will lose maybe 100B. And SCORK made a judgement that is nothing but moronic (see the debate about form 34s) based on a scrutiny report that is know subject to fraud investigation. There will be a lot of lessons to be learnt here.

This is yet another wake up call - after we saw Ocampo (see the leaks) parade Kenya leaders before ICC based on cooked evidence through the same NGOS.

It time NGOS were heavily monitored and regulated like everyone else. They are pretty powerful esp in Kenya.

Focusing on the wrong monies.  Whats destroying our democracy is the Mega corruptions which is used buy politicians to create a fake majority and by investigators, prosecutors and judges to create impunity. 

IEBC offered an independent audit of the system over one month ago
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5482.0

So this silly chorus of ‘open the servers’ is a red herring

So, how come the audit has not been done?
NASWA is not interested in an election under any circumstances so they trashed all that and demanded on their own ‘irreducible minimums’.

In all that grandstanding, IEBC moves on knowing well that nothing they do can satisfy NASWA
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: bryan275 on October 08, 2017, 08:22:33 PM
Let's get real Jubilee are very afraid of elections.  Very afraid.  Watch them.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 08, 2017, 08:26:49 PM
Let's get real Jubilee are very afraid of elections.  Very afraid.  Watch them.

I disagree.  They are only afraid of transparent and verifiable elections.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
The crack down is just going to harden NASA's position.  You cannot have a democracy without a robust civil society. This is therefore a clear indication that Jubilee under Ruto will eviscerate the democratic gains this country has made.  NASA should therefore take a very hardline position with Jubilee and use everything in their power to counter these anti-democracy moves by Jubilee.

Let's get real Jubilee are very afraid of elections.  Very afraid.  Watch them.

I disagree.  They are only afraid of transparent and verifiable elections.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Nefertiti on October 09, 2017, 03:53:15 AM

When are the jubilee embedees at iebc being smoked out?

 :)  bryan has some of Mwilu's peculiar attributes.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: Nefertiti on October 09, 2017, 04:11:37 AM
Two things will come out of this. Three actually.

1. The economy will suffer some more.

2. Maraga's legacy is now entwined with Odinga's. The investigations can potentially damage the bench if the "historical ruling" is found to have been connived by fraud.

3. Jubilee set out to round up the civil society in 2013 but dithered. Tough lack this time. There are ample models to borrow - Russia and China leap to mind. This may partially work due to what Ndii ascribed recently as US lethargy to fending off China.

It seems we are back to the 90s. Yet we have been laughing at Brexit and Trump.
Title: Re: Jubilee Crackdown resumes....IDLO Shut
Post by: bryan275 on October 09, 2017, 06:47:32 AM

When are the jubilee embedees at iebc being smoked out?

 :)  bryan has some of Mwilu's peculiar attributes.

Eh?  That good judge aliwaNASA wezi wa kura.  I love her to bits.  Ati peculiar?