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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 28, 2017, 08:02:40 AM
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1) Ammend election act to make sense of Maina Kiai nonsense.
2) Ammend IEBC act go prevent Chebukati one-showmanship and make sure Vice-Chair can declare Uhuru elected pork if Chebukati get busy with trying to appease Odinga.
3) Ammend swearing in of PORK so any judge can do it - rather than compromised CJ and DCJ.
All these do not need constitutional amendment except the third - just one afternoon to pass those ammendments and Uhuru can append the signature the following day.
Once all that is done - we can go for election in 26th and swear Uhuru immediately - and get back to our lives.
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All good but they shouldn't touch electronic transmission.
Now that we are going electronic, they need to figure what part of the transmission amounts to election materials that need to be retained for 3yrs
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SCORK asked for a complimentary systems in case there is electronic failure. And that is manually transmission of those forms to CHQ and NHQ.
All good but they shouldn't touch electronic transmission.
Now that we are going electronic, they need to figure what part of the transmission amounts to election materials that need to be retained for 3yrs
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Jubilee is wasting time; such sections won't survive the Judiciary
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Then fix the judiciary.
Jubilee is wasting time; such sections won't survive the Judiciary
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Majority Leader Aden Duale moves a motion to reduce Bill to amend Election laws from 14 days to 1 day.
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The sore losers are still trying to doctor the process. We know:
1) They faked form 34As in order to effect their rig
2) They interfered with the transmission of the real results
3) They broadcast their fake results
4) Forced Chebukati to announce their dodgy results declaring their guy the winner
The reasons the electoral fraudsters want to move away from electronic means is because:
1) Electronic transmission generates footprints
2) Electronic transmission and tabulation defeats manual ballot stuffing
3) Electronic transmission secures the transfer of Forms 34s from polling centre to NTC
4) Electronic transmission reduces the opportunities for the substitution of forms 34 en route to NTC
These thieving bastards are so keen on rigging elections that they will stop at nothing to ensure that their rigging opportunities are left wide open.
These actions further inform us that THEY DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS to win the forthcoming elections.
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The Bill is yet to be published but it is understood the changes will make the manual tallying and transmission of results superior to the electronic system.
It is also understood the Bill will contain a provision for the vice-chairman to act as the chairman of the electoral agency in the absence of the chairman.
The proposal will also enable live-streaming of results declared at polling stations and make it mandatory for the poll commission’s chairman to have all forms 34A and 34B before announcing the presidential election results.
The changes are also to enhance the punishment of presiding and returning officers who fail to sign or complete the forms or who knowingly submit an incomplete document.
Also among the changes is a provision for the electoral commission to require a fresh nomination in case a presidential election is nullified.
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Jubilee has its way after 144 MPs voted in favour of allowing the publication of the Bill on amendments to Elections Laws to be reduced from 14 days to one day.
53 MPs voted against the motion.
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How do those two go together? A complimentary means a second option and not the main way of doing things.
That law will be halted by the High Court.
SCORK asked for a complimentary systems in case there is electronic failure.
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The Bill is yet to be published but it is understood the changes will make the manual tallying and transmission of results superior to the electronic system.
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What is complimentary of an electronic systems if not manual or mechanical system?
How do those two go together? A complimentary means a second option and not the main way of doing things.
That law will be halted by the High Court.
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How do those two go together? A complimentary means a second option and not the main way of doing things.
That law will be halted by the High Court.
SCORK asked for a complimentary systems in case there is electronic failure.
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The Bill is yet to be published but it is understood the changes will make the manual tallying and transmission of results superior to the electronic system.
An electronic back up system works best as it retains the inbuilt security policies.
These Jubilidiots think we have forgotten the real reasons why nobody wants to send RO's to deliver Forms 34s manually to bomas...
Otherwise we should all Q up pale bomas and deliver our vote directly to Chebukati.
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IEBC so called talks collapse as NASA tries to order parliament on what to ammend or not.
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Why waste time talking to IEBC when the parliament is busy changing the very guide lines being negotiated.
IEBC so called talks collapse as NASA tries to order parliament on what to ammend or not.
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1. They went to Supreme Court saying some Form 34 A's were not signed by POs. The change pushed by Jubilee makes it a criminal offence for any PO to fail to sign Form 34A
2 They went to Supreme Court saying that CECs who are also Constituency Returning Officers did not sign Form 34B's. The amendment we seek will make it a criminal offence with a jail term of 5 years if they fail to sign 34 B's
3. They went to Supreme Court alleging that Wafula Chebukati announced the results before receiving all 34 A's and 34 B's. This amendment binds the National Returning Officer to receive all 34 As and 34Bs, validate them and reconcile them before announcing the Presidential Result
4. They went to Supreme Court saying that in some areas the electronic transmission failed due to unavailability of 3G and 4G networks. Agreed. This amendment makes the actual manual original Form 34A is the single source of truth in case there is no connectivity in a polling station
5. Good corporate governance demands that there is continuity in any organisation. If Wafula Chebukati is unwell at any one time, surely the IEBC should be able to perform.
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When did our elections become subject to talks? Our elections should be held subject to the laws and regulations. These talks are not only useless but illegal. Chebukati should do his job as he see it fits. What is there to negotiate about?
Why waste time talking to IEBC when the parliament is busy changing the very guide lines being negotiated.
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I thought you were complaining that the talks collapsed. The election was invalidated because they did not follow the law. The law also says that presidential elections must be held all over the country. Why don't you amend that too to read that "so long as elections are held in kikuyu and Kalenjin regions of Kenya then the kikuyu/kalenjin winner will be sworn in as president of Zamunda. Lets not waste time. Let us plunge full scale back to the dark eras of Kenya and then we will fight our way out again. Trust me, Ruto and Ouru will not last for ever.
When did our elections become subject to talks? Our elections should be held subject to the laws and regulations. These talks are not only useless but illegal. Chebukati should do his job as he see it fits. What is there to negotiate about?
Why waste time talking to IEBC when the parliament is busy changing the very guide lines being negotiated.
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Nope. I didn't want the talks or negotiation to even start. What is there to negotiate about?
We have no problem with that law - IEBC will hold election in every corner of this country and if Raila wins (improbable as it seem) he becomes our lame-duck PORK.If that particular law becomes a problem - I expect parliament to exercise leadership and fix it. That is what parliament is elected to do. Enact laws. IEBC conducts elections.
I thought you were complaining that the talks collapsed. The election was invalidated because they did not follow the law. The law also says that presidential elections must be held all over the country. Why don't you amend that too to read that "so long as elections are held in kikuyu and Kalenjin regions of Kenya then the kikuyu/kalenjin winner will be sworn in as president of Zamunda. Lets not waste time. Let us plunge full scale back to the dark eras of Kenya and then we will fight our way out again. Trust me, Ruto and Ouru will not last for ever.
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These amendments are clearing the grey areas. Seems quite in order. Or does NASA guys expect Duale to draft amendments saying that the person who gets less than 50% is the winner? It is akin to those opposing repeal of the age limit in Uganda expecting to be given lollipops by Museveni?
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who decided that they were not "clear". The court never complained about clarity. They are being enacted because they want the laws to favor them.
These amendments are clearing the grey areas. Seems quite in order. Or does NASA guys expect Duale to draft amendments saying that the person who gets less than 50% is the winner? It is akin to those opposing repeal of the age limit in Uganda expecting to be given lollipops by Museveni?
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Which of the proposed amendment favors them. We went computer - you come back saying computer generated leaders. They are saying fine - lets have both - computer and manual. You say Chebukati need to get all form 34sA and 34s B - the law makes that very clear. Your said forms were not signed or stamped - laws make that mandatory and an offence if someone fails. You're putting pressure on Chebukati and Chiloba to resign - parliament are amending the law to deal with such eventuality.
NASA are erecting roadblocks to 26th October knowing they cannot win as Jubilee works hard to remove those roadblocks aware they can win big.
who decided that they were not "clear". The court never complained about clarity. They are being enacted because they want the laws to favor them.
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Kichwa, can law be applied retroactively? Election date is set, candidates nominated etc I mean how do you changes rules midstream.
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Apart from incompetence at IEBC, the irregularities and illegalities were as a results of the funny laws and subsequent interpretations. It is naive to expect Jubilee MPs to work against their interests and 'favour' NASA.
who decided that they were not "clear". The court never complained about clarity. They are being enacted because they want the laws to favor them.
These amendments are clearing the grey areas. Seems quite in order. Or does NASA guys expect Duale to draft amendments saying that the person who gets less than 50% is the winner? It is akin to those opposing repeal of the age limit in Uganda expecting to be given lollipops by Museveni?
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Now get off the abstracts and get into specific. You see if the law was clear and unambigious - you wouldn't be on page 20 with vooke over simple things that can be codified. IEBC should never have to interpret anything. Parliament is there to codify them laws and regulation so we Chebukati & team job is simplified.
Time to seek a court interpretation perhaps. The jubilated Kenyan does not realize that the system actually worked and that is why the elections were annulled. He thinks it failed because the election theft ended up becoming a clumsy affair. There is just too much transparency and accountability in his mind.
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Now get off the abstracts and get into specific. You see if the law was clear and unambigious - you wouldn't be on page 20 with vooke over simple things that can be codified. IEBC should never have to interpret anything. Parliament is there to codify them laws and regulation so we Chebukati & team job is simplified.
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Now get off the abstracts and get into specific. You see if the law was clear and unambigious - you wouldn't be on page 20 with vooke over simple things that can be codified. IEBC should never have to interpret anything. Parliament is there to codify them laws and regulation so we Chebukati & team job is simplified.
The jubilant hates that the system worked and irregularities and illegalities exposed. There is nothing abstract about that.
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Here is the part of the bill that proves my point. They want to limit the relevance of electronic transmission to being a mere conveyance as opposed to being primarily a check on mischief.
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We went electronic - and you claim it manipulated by algorithm? I thought you'd be fine with manual systems? Hard to hack?
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How does manual resolve the issue of transmission. Its a long way from Embakasi to Bomas and a lot can happen on the way, especially when Ruto's parliament want to make it acceptable to even deliver it to Bomas scribbled on anything including but not limited to toilet paper.
We went electronic - and you claim it manipulated by algorithm? I thought you'd be fine with manual systems? Hard to hack?
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How does manual resolve the issue of transmission. Its a long way from Embakasi to Bomas and a lot can happen on the way, especially when Ruto's parliament want to make it acceptable to even deliver it to Bomas scribbled on anything including but not limited to toilet paper.
We went electronic - and you claim it manipulated by algorithm? I thought you'd be fine with manual systems? Hard to hack?
Biggest problem with transmission was the confusion borne by Kiai case.
Kiai case says stick to 34Bs and don’t verify nothing
SCOK says, you need 34As
Explains why Chairperson never felt uncomfortable declaring the winner without 34As
Thing is, transmission has been blown out of proportion with this aspect taking the lion’s share.
The rest are computer trail of results. Nobody thought through about this,and it is giving the Negro nightmares...you have jargon such as hacking,VPN,encryption,metadata,IP addresses,GPS coordinates and all that shiet. That’s a learning curve right there
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Nothing can beat agents out there looking out for their candidate.Also media and observers are good as third party. The public observing and taking pictures of the final results posted can undo any rigging. Ballot papers with correct security features that make them traceable. Text in data from KIEMS kit. Kiems kit GPS and the shebang.
Tranmission can transmit anything including cooked results.
How does manual resolve the issue of transmission. Its a long way from Embakasi to Bomas and a lot can happen on the way, especially when Ruto's parliament want to make it acceptable to even deliver it to Bomas scribbled on anything including but not limited to toilet paper.
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There was no problem with transmission or anything. If you've been in kenya and have observed elections since 1980s...you'd know 2017 were free, fair, credible and verifiable. We are in unchartered territory where we need to force people to trust everything. You need to believe everyone lied - observers, ELOG, name them - and to believe the wakora 4 that Chebukati did wrong...when Court of Appeal...clearly told him to do what he did. It absolutely insane.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with 2017 8th election..and this will be confirmed on 26th...and for many years if Jubilee coalition hold together.
Biggest problem with transmission was the confusion borne by Kiai case.
Kiai case says stick to 34Bs and don’t verify nothing
SCOK says, you need 34As
Explains why Chairperson never felt uncomfortable declaring the winner without 34As
Thing is, transmission has been blown out of proportion with this aspect taking the lion’s share.
The rest are computer trail of results. Nobody thought through about this,and it is giving the Negro nightmares...you have jargon such as hacking,VPN,encryption,metadata,IP addresses,GPS coordinates and all that shiet. That’s a learning curve right there
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NASA rigging theory is up there with UFOs. That SCORK judges bought it is truly tragic. That results were transmitted - then retroactively cooked by computer algorithm - then forms adjusted - I guess ballot boxes unsealed and all shebang including KIEMS kit - then re-adjusted. We've seen these nonsense before.
You nailed it.
Until negro starts trusting the other,electronic transmission is a red herring.
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People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
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People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
NASWA despite their agent network of about 5K (Nyangasi received 5K forms independently cole ted by NASWA agents) only had tens of forms they felt differed from what was at the portal.
I’ve heard the theory that this was not the main point of their petition but note they repeatedly(at least twice) in the affidavits claimed that there were manipulations in favor of Uhunye so why couldn’t they produce these?
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The absence of these - original forms to rebut the fakes - is the big rat that outed NASA for me. The bulk of the petition was transmission and legit forms - hence the noise over the amendments. NASA agents must simply do their work and keep all records. They cannot roll technicality over democracy.
Nothing can beat agents out there looking out for their candidate.Also media and observers are good as third party. The public observing and taking pictures of the final results posted can undo any rigging. Ballot papers with correct security features that make them traceable. Text in data from KIEMS kit. Kiems kit GPS and the shebang.
Tranmission can transmit anything including cooked results.
How does manual resolve the issue of transmission. Its a long way from Embakasi to Bomas and a lot can happen on the way, especially when Ruto's parliament want to make it acceptable to even deliver it to Bomas scribbled on anything including but not limited to toilet paper.
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And that if you open the IEBC servers you'd discover the truth - that Raila won the elections :D The powerful rigging cabal has since doctored all boxes in 5K stations but is unable to doctor the servers :o
NASA rigging theory is up there with UFOs. That SCORK judges bought it is truly tragic. That results were transmitted - then retroactively cooked by computer algorithm - then forms adjusted - I guess ballot boxes unsealed and all shebang including KIEMS kit - then re-adjusted. We've seen these nonsense before.
You nailed it.
Until negro starts trusting the other,electronic transmission is a red herring.
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Kichwa posted the rigging theory here on 9th evening... and I immediately smelt a rat
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5076.msg38046#msg38046 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5076.msg38046#msg38046)
(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAA2eAAAAJDhmNGQyOTBkLTczNTQtNDc0Yi04NzQwLWQ2NmNhM2Q4ZDI1MA.jpg)
People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
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People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
Folks were not allowed to take pictures in the polling stations. We also have a situation where there is not a single record in the public domain grouping together a specific KIEMS kit, it's location, it's transmitted results, when it transmitted them. Just 1 out 40,883. Have you seen one? I agree transmission happened without a hitch. But why isn't this information in the public domain?
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NASA rigging theory is up there with UFOs. That SCORK judges bought it is truly tragic. That results were transmitted - then retroactively cooked by computer algorithm - then forms adjusted - I guess ballot boxes unsealed and all shebang including KIEMS kit - then re-adjusted. We've seen these nonsense before.
You nailed it.
Until negro starts trusting the other,electronic transmission is a red herring.
They bought it because the alternative was to believe that Europeans were hibernating too long to permit server access. I too would go with UFO's before I buy that line.
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Kichwa posted the rigging theory here on 9th evening... and I immediately smelt a rat
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5076.msg38046#msg38046 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5076.msg38046#msg38046)
(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAA2eAAAAJDhmNGQyOTBkLTczNTQtNDc0Yi04NzQwLWQ2NmNhM2Q4ZDI1MA.jpg)
People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
Robina,
Rigging witnesses were there; even on TV; in that environment, of course they were dismissed or believed depending on whose side you are. The petition strategy ultimately did not require them.
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Chebukati doesn't think any changes are necessary because IEBC understands the SCOK ruling.
“We have looked at the Supreme Court judgment and we have identified areas that were the basis for nullification of the vote. It was about transmission and forms 34A, not laws. We don’t need any other law for now,” he said, pointing out that the law as it exists is sufficient for a free and credible election.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Talks-on-polls-collapse-as-Nasa-calls-for---protests--/1064-4116846-a6p31bz/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Talks-on-polls-collapse-as-Nasa-calls-for---protests--/1064-4116846-a6p31bz/index.html)
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That is what chebukati said before costing us a fresh election and the troubles we are in.Obviously he wanted to ran the commission as one man gang and laws targets him.
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People takes selfies on anything every second - but so far NO one person has present any evidence that election was manipulated in polling station XYZ. Facebook, twitter, whataspps and name all these social media that empowers people to be journalist - not one single person out there from say Nyamira has come forward to say - you see in our polling station - our results were these - but look at form 34 A or B - it's totally different.
Folks were not allowed to take pictures in the polling stations. We also have a situation where there is not a single record in the public domain grouping together a specific KIEMS kit, it's location, it's transmitted results, when it transmitted them. Just 1 out 40,883. Have you seen one? I agree transmission happened without a hitch. But why isn't this information in the public domain?
Results are posted outside every polling station so that was not affected by the injunction against taking photos. ELOG agents took several off doors and walls
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Part of the laws ammended is to declare uhuru the winner if raila boycott election
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Part of the laws ammended is to declare uhuru the winner if raila boycott election
One shouldn't unfairly benefit from shying away from a contest. How do you throw billions awa just because a candidate chickened out?
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Exactly. He is busy looking for loopholes in law for NUSU-MKATE and parliament is now in business to seal those loopholes.
One shouldn't unfairly benefit from shying away from a contest. How do you throw billions awa just because a candidate chickened out?
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These illegal activities and the legitimisation of the rigging machine just serve to further confirm that The People's Republic is viable, and it's time for the rest of Kenya to break away from the Criminal Tyranny tribes. Let them rule themselves in whatever way they please.