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Title: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 06, 2017, 10:50:27 PM
I struggle to appreciate how these two are supposed to work together PRACTICALLY. They remind me of IPOA Vs NPS dogfights.

Is this the ideal managerial structure?
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kichwa on September 06, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
I am glad they are fighting.  This is the only way the truth will come out. One of this days someone is going to get so pissed off in Kenya that they will spill the beans.  The reason why we do not have prosecution of highly corrupt individuals is because nobody is whistle blowing.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 06, 2017, 11:44:52 PM
I am glad they are fighting.  This is the only way the truth will come out. One of this days someone is going to get so pissed off in Kenya that they will spill the beans.  The reason why we do not have prosecution of highly corrupt individuals is because nobody is whistle blowing.
True.
Part of the reason why you can dismiss most conspiracy theories is the number of players involved. It's hard for one too many members with diverse motives and ideologies to come together and like say hide cancer cure to benefit 'big pharma's.

But if this was not originally intended, the commission may perform subpar even while 'spilling the brand's. So hat happ NS when there are no beans to spill?
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 10:12:30 AM
Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
Can't Chebukati just fire the secretariat? What does the Act say?
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 11:26:55 AM
Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.
Like I said, the SCOK ought to give Chebukati the detailed judgment he asked for sooner so he can use it to straight up fire folk without looking like he is scapegoating anyone just to save his own behind. As in "We were all blamed and you, the chair, in particular, yet you're gonna pick on us while you comfortably stay on?" Otherwise, if the same mess happens again, it will not be fair to blame him in my opinion. If Kenyans voted for Uhuru, it is their right to have him, however horrible I feel that choice is. It must be clear that that is what they have chosen, though, and Chebukati must be given all the help he needs to show that easily and clearly.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

It's good to look at it from the staffs' eyes. Assume they are innocent (i.e. did not receive bribes or deliberately bungle the polls) - their careers are literally ruined! Severance pay might help. What I don't get is why they can't be fired and proceed to Industrial Court.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 11:35:50 AM
If Alai is to be believed, and Citizen reported it, some Commisioners were opposed to Chebukati's move
https://www.kahawatungu.com/2017/09/07/commissioners-walk-out-chebukati-meeting/


Citizen mentioned something

Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 11:36:47 AM
They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

That's plausible but my point is, if it's impossible to apportion blame between secretariat and commission, then the management structure is bullshiet
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
If Alai is to be believed, and Citizen reported it, some Commisioners were opposed to Chebukati's move
https://www.kahawatungu.com/2017/09/07/commissioners-walk-out-chebukati-meeting/


Citizen mentioned something
This is why the judgment would be helpful. It would sideline Jubilee/NASA games....
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
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Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
This chebukati guy is on fire. I like it. Let's not have any cock up and screw up.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  :D) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
It probably makes sense considering the time limit for holding presidential re-run. I don't think constitution envisage fresh fresh election with nomination.
It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  :D) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 04:59:54 PM
It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  :D ) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.

The ruling you are anxious to see may rubbish this interpretation.  Mutungaroo court seems to have done more damage than just giving two paragraphs dismissing the petition.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
It probably makes sense considering the time limit for holding presidential re-run. I don't think constitution envisage fresh fresh election with nomination.
It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  :D) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.
Forget these elections and imagine one that runs like the recent French elections with no. 1 to 4 all very close with only a difference of a few percentage points. Then there's massive problems and you have to redo it. How could it be fair to exclude no. 3 and 4 in the invalidated elections? Things like these must be properly interpreted and not allowed to become some sort of settled law simply based on current affairs.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 05:04:18 PM
It makes sense to have everyone who ran previously to ran again. But then again in limited re-run of 60 days - maybe those who conceded and move on - need not bother us. But I agree commonsensical thing to do is to allow everyone who had participated to participate again...but not fresh nomination.
Forget these elections and imagine one that runs like the recent French elections with no. 1 to 4 all very close with only a difference of a few percentage points. Then there's massive problems and you have to redo it. How could it be fair to exclude no. 3 and 4 in the invalidated elections? Things like these must be properly interpreted and not allowed to become some sort of settled law simply based on current affairs.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 05:59:39 PM
Gen 2:11-13 (KJV)
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat


Blame game all over.

SCOK~~>IEBC~~>Chairman~~>Chilobye~~>Junior nobodies :lolz:

Quote
"1. First, you issued a Memo to the Commission's staff dated 1st September, 2017 referenced IEBC/CEO/1/1/09/2017; In the said Memo, you appear to contradict the position adopted by the commission and communicated by the Chairperson on behalf of the Commission via a Press Statement on the 1st of September 2017. Further the Memo also fails to appreciate the grave indictment by the Supreme Court in the above subject petition, with regard to the manner in which the commission conducted the impugned presidential elections. Respond and Explain the basis for your contradiction.

2. The Commission contracted Messer Al Ghurair, to print the Country's ballot papers and various statutory forms to be used in the Presidential elections; under defined contractual terms and obligations. Respond and Explain what happened to the printed forms that were meant to have various approved security features and names of candidates printed in accordance with the ballot proofs and as verified by the due diligence terms the Commission sent to Dubai.

3. The Commission had contracted Messer MFI to avail printing and scanning machines across the Country, for use in the 8th August 2017 polls. Respond and explain on whether these machines were supplied - fit for purpose - as contracted, and where they were availed and failed to work, explain the failure.

4. The Commission spent about KES 848 Million to purchase satellite phones; the phones were to be distributed to each constituency and county tallying centers. Additionally areas with no network were specifically supplied with these devices, however none of these ever worked. Respond and Explain what occasioned the massive failure in the devices that would have been used in transmitting the results.

5. Mr Paul Mugo and Mr Boniface Wamae - under instruction from the Director, ICT Mr James Muhati, availed a Memo dated 31st August 2017, to the Chairman's office through your office; which Memo confirmed the creation of a username account and a password in the name of the Chairperson of IEBC - without my knowledge or consent, and subsequently this account was used to undertake over 9,934 transactions. I direct that you take immediate action against these officers and report back by close of business [CoB] today.

6. Respond and explain what went wrong with KIEMS results transmission, where over 10,366 out of 40,883 polling stations sent text results without the accompanying Forms 34A. Noting that these polling stations had 4,636,556 voters registered therein. The failure is contrary to the plenary decision directing that where a presiding officer was unable to transmit the results [text and forms] from their polling station, they were required to move to the constituency tallying center or use the satellite devices where the same was available.

7. Respond and avail an explanation as to why 595 polling stations failed and/or otherwise refused to send any results for the presidential election.

8. Respond and explain why the Commission adopted and used a porous file server system to transmit Forms 34B;in the stead of creating and using a secure IP address; which made it easy for individuals to manage accounts on each other's behalf - a clear security risk. Further respond and explain why the Commission used the subject server for day to day operations prior to the elections; and also; why the staff in the ICT directorate used passwords different from their IEBC passwords.

9. Some of the KIEMS Kits were assigned Orange and Airtel as their service providers whereas these two [2] operators did not have coverage in those assigned areas; worse still, Safaricom [a contracted operator] had the required coverage for these areas but were not considered. Respond and Explain why mapping out was not undertaken and these issues addressed and/or otherwise mitigated.

10. Additionally respond and explain why the Commission experienced non-validation of individuals/voters after the KIEMS identification, essentially obfuscating the logs on voters cleared per polling station to vote. Respond on how many voters were subsequently allowed to vote by manual identification and why;

11. Further respond and explain why 682 polling stations had an equal number of rejected vis-à-vis the number of registered voters in those polling stations.

12. Lastly, respond and explain why KIEMS GPRS and Geo-fencing features were switched off from the 5th August, 2017."

Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:01:39 PM
Commissioners disown their Chairman and support Chiloba. This IEBC imekwisha
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 07:08:58 PM
Commissioners disown their Chairman and support Chiloba. This IEBC imekwisha

Negro priss,
Chebukati under sieke
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:13:57 PM
He may well be. I am looking at the overall picture. The body supposed to organize elections is torn like the panties of a rape victim.

Negro priss,
Chebukati under sieke
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 07:15:48 PM
He may well be. I am looking at the overall picture. The body supposed to organize elections is torn like the panties of a rape victim.

Negro priss,
Chebukati under sieke
That imagery is revolting but you're right.

I started this thread before these shenanigans blew up. We really need to have a discourse on IEBC's management structure.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 07:52:51 PM
This thread should be merged with this one http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5494.0 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5494.0).

Just my opinion.  I hate jumping back and forth on threads covering pretty much the same topic.
Title: Re: IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 09:11:37 PM
This thread should be merged with this one http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5494.0 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5494.0).

Just my opinion.  I hate jumping back and forth on threads covering pretty much the same topic.
Right, but this predates the memo and its subject was the managerial structure...pure abstract thinking. It wa not intuition or NIS leaking stuff that they orchestrated.