Hehehe...to be fair, it is 100% certain he did not draft that himself. Merely signed it.
Intriguing, that line of argument: makes me want to make the time to read all those petition documents.
The IEBC website is the gift that keeps on giving pic.twitter.com/Q4cqxRg6Ll
— Larry Madowo (@LarryMadowo) August 15, 2017
Its a gift to NASA. I hope they use it to their advantage. Ahmednasir is good at arguing case citing authorities and making judges look small. But he cannot device a strategy to respond to matters. They had a firm - him, Isaack Hassan and Abdikadir. Issack hassan would arrange for the bribes, Abdikadir would deliver and Mullah would go to court and make sure the recipient of the bribe knew he had the tape.Use it to their advantage? Please don't raise your hopes. The SCOK will not change anything. I see the petition as NASA's chance to explain to its own base that the results were not clean. But I would not advise any humans whose well-being I mildly cared for to waste their hopes on this petition. If lawyers and others are getting harassed why would anyone expect an individual human being in the form of a judge to risk it? I know I wouldn't. At most I'd recuse myself. In fact I told my very hopeful mom to completely forget it. I will say the same to anyone on these boards who wanted Jubilee out. I don't know what way there is going forward but this petition is not gonna be it.Hehehe...to be fair, it is 100% certain he did not draft that himself. Merely signed it.
Intriguing, that line of argument: makes me want to make the time to read all those petition documents.
IEBC immediately "corrected" the error and produced another form. Remember the results announced at the constituency are "final" as says Uhuru!The IEBC website is the gift that keeps on giving pic.twitter.com/Q4cqxRg6Ll
— Larry Madowo (@LarryMadowo) August 15, 2017
Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.
The joint select Commitee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017
?s=09Press Statement - Update on Elections Preparedness - 4th August 2017
— IEBC (@IEBCKenya) August 5, 2017
Read yesterday at Bomas of Kenya. #WeweNdioKusema #ElectionsKE2017 pic.twitter.com/SWC6sRV747
Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.
Form 34A underpins the final result. There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results. The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public. Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.
And how is that a problem? How is having a extra-layer of control a problem? Form 34As were uploaded to public portal. And IEBC went further and asked their staff to send statistics via KEMS systems - which would work with 2G network - which further enhance transparency and accountability.Form 34A underpins the final result. There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results. The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public. Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.
We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017
Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.
You need to read section 38 of election act again and again; even if results are declared in an exercise book; as long as they were valid; hakuna maneno hapo.(http://omollosview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/elections-act.jpg)
The so called extra layer was the only layer for hours. There were no forms. And when they eventually materialized, they were on a different web page, in a format that was useless for verification purposes.
The IEBC was transmitting data and results that were not verifiable. The legal expectation is that the result be verifiable on the spot. Not at some later time and date. That standard was not met.
And how is that a problem? How is having a extra-layer of control a problem? Form 34As were uploaded to public portal. And IEBC went further and asked their staff to send statistics via KEMS systems - which would work with 2G network - which further enhance transparency and accountability.Form 34A underpins the final result. There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results. The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public. Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.
Both systems are still up. I don't know what you mean only for hours. And by format - what did you want? They were scanned images! You wanted IEBC to OCR for you? Isn't why they added the key-in data.
Eti verifiable on spot :) that a new legal standard. Verifiable mean whatever method you use (KIEMS, manual ballot in the boxes, key-in data, scanned forms, real paper forms) you'll arrive at the same conclusion that Uhuru beat Raila by 1.5M votes. A true dog beating.
The so called extra layer was the only layer for hours. There were no forms. And when they eventually materialized, they were on a different web page, in a format that was useless for verification purposes.
The IEBC was transmitting data and results that were not verifiable. The legal expectation is that the result be verifiable on the spot. Not at some later time and date. That standard was not met.
vooke
Taking someone's words out of context and using them to support what he was in effect opposing is worse than forgery. Now read your favorite tweet after reading this one:We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017
what he means therefore:
The joint select Committee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. [to prevent that mischief from happening again] We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.[/b]
I hope this wean you of the habit of posting and reposting something that in effect opposes what you are trying to state.
If you need some extra tuition I would be glad to help. Your skull has proved impervious to the absorption of a simple fact that PROVISIONAL RESULTS were abolished! I have asked you to produce any legal basis for this but you have not. That has not stopped you from singing the gospel of provisional results. Why?
Because you continue to refuse to READ the verdict of the Court of Appeal! But that notwithstanding you continue to pretend to be an expert on elections - with all this ignorance and stupidity!Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.
Why did the Iebc bother to beam the result as they came in? Especially if it had no bearing on the real final tally? Hu ni utoto sana. The iebc thought that their dodgy live results would be accepted as final and are only engaging in damage control after getting caught faking the result. They're making it up as they go along. Iebc=jubilee=SCoK. With the sole motive of defeating the voice of Kenya expressed through the ballot.
Divorce Now!
vooke
Taking someone's words out of context and using them to support what he was in effect opposing is worse than forgery. Now read your favorite tweet after reading this one:The joint select Commitee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017what he means therefore:We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017
The joint select Committee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. [to prevent that mischief from happening again] We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.[/b]
I hope this wean you of the habit of posting and reposting something that in effect opposes what you are trying to state.
That's your spin. He was responding to claims that the portal results had errors
Why did the Iebc bother to beam the result as they came in? Especially if it had no bearing on the real final tally? Hu ni utoto sana. The iebc thought that their dodgy live results would be accepted as final and are only engaging in damage control after getting caught faking the result. They're making it up as they go along. Iebc=jubilee=SCoK. With the sole motive of defeating the voice of Kenya expressed through the ballot.
Divorce Now!
I am sure you know I am not trying to convince you - that is a job I stopped doing years ago. It is up to those receiving your propaganda to get the context and compare with your interpretation of one of the tweets sent within seconds of each other, discussing the same issue.vooke
Taking someone's words out of context and using them to support what he was in effect opposing is worse than forgery. Now read your favorite tweet after reading this one:The joint select Commitee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017what he means therefore:We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse.
— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017
The joint select Committee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. [to prevent that mischief from happening again] We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.[/b]
I hope this wean you of the habit of posting and reposting something that in effect opposes what you are trying to state.
That's your spin. He was responding to claims that the portal results had errors
Omorlo, I'm sorry I misread him. You are right, I'm wrong.
So the 'impasse' was declaration of results without forms 34B and A. He wondered why IEBC was not releasing these. Ok.
Asante.
But IEBC anticipated discrepancies between keyed-in results and forms 34A,and issued a statement to this effect days to the election. Most you can hang IEBC for is streaming unverified results which had ZERO bearing on forms 34B,and C. At most,IEBC will walk away with some mild scolding for not verifying.
76. THAT Paragraph 75 is denied and the Petitioners put to strict proof thereof. The online statistics and those projected at the National Tallying Centre are not a representation of the results.