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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 03, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
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Paul Kagame was nominated to represent RPF in the August 4th general election with 1229 out 1230 votes. One vote was spoiled. He normally prefers not to vote for himself.
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Order without law.
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Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
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Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
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Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
It's not Rwandan it's Rwandese... mind your English.
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When he dies; does he have a plan?
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I believe the Rwandese like all human beings want freedom and choice. Even infants as old as two days old want to have their way. In Kenya we were lucky to have had leaders who said NO not only to the colonialists but continued to say NO to Kenyattaa and Moi at the height of their dictatorial tendencies. We have therefore developed a very strong culture and tradition of resisting dictators and totalitarians which we can deploy very quickly. I liked Raila's answer when he was asked to condemn the tribal vitriol in the social media. The successful story of the opposition has yet to be told because we now focus so much on money and power. However, it will be a powerful story when the achievements of those who fought for our freedoms post independence is told. It will probably be told after Raila passes away. This is why they cannot finish Raila no matter how much they try. His legacy is sealed. He did not do it alone by any means but he has become a symbol of that struggle with all its success and glory. Money and power come and go but the freedoms and democracy we have achieved will always stay with us. We are not going back to Egypt.
Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
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You disproportionately attribute our democratic advancement to Raila. Kenya has always been an advanced democracy by sub-saharan africa. It has always religiously held election every 5yr, has stuck with democratic ideals & practise and apart from Raila failed coup - Kenyans believe in peaceful ousting of power. Where Raila wanted to take Kenya in 82 -is why Rwanda, UG and most of African countries are backwater - under tight military control. We have to thanks the wisdom of Moi, Kenyatta and Kibaki - and now Uhuru - who despite losing here or there - knows Kenya is bigger than them. Raila will NEVER become PORK because he has shown severally that he doesn't mind kenya going down for his ambition. 1982 coup stick out like a sour thumb.
I believe the Rwandese like all human beings want freedom and choice. Even infants as old as two days old want to have their way. In Kenya we were lucky to have had leaders who said NO not only to the colonialists but continued to say NO to Kenyattaa and Moi at the height of their dictatorial tendencies. We have therefore developed a very strong culture and tradition of resisting dictators and totalitarians which we can deploy very quickly. I liked Raila's answer when he was asked to condemn the tribal vitriol in the social media. The successful story of the opposition has yet to be told because we now focus so much on money and power. However, it will be a powerful story when the achievements of those who fought for our freedoms post independence is told. It will probably be told after Raila passes away. This is why they cannot finish Raila no matter how much they try. His legacy is sealed. He did not do it alone by any means but he has become a symbol of that struggle with all its success and glory. Money and power come and go but the freedoms and democracy we have achieved will always stay with us. We are not going back to Egypt.
Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
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I think Matiba - who is now bankrupt cripple - is the most outstanding second liberation hero. Raila, Imanyara, Nyong'o, Muite, etc are second tier.
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Kagame seems to be taking Rwanda the North Korean way. When he dies, one of his spawn will take over. And it could go on.
In spite of kichwa's belief, the people of Rwanda are traditionally and culturally inclined to be told what to do by the leader. Democracy is not a good fit for all societies. In some cases it's actually a bad idea.
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Unfortunately for you, Raila's achievements are monumental and cannot be destroyed with cheap propaganda and hate. Raila does not have to be president to be called Baba-the father of Modern KENYA. Raila's unparralled achievements are not only recorded in public records-books, newspapers, audio, videos, etc, but is part of our indelible political psyche. You can rant and rave as much as you want but you will NEVER be able take it away from him. Even death cannot take it away. Relax.
You disproportionately attribute our democratic advancement to Raila. Kenya has always been an advanced democracy by sub-saharan africa. It has always religiously held election every 5yr, has stuck with democratic ideals & practise and apart from Raila failed coup - Kenyans believe in peaceful ousting of power. Where Raila wanted to take Kenya in 82 -is why Rwanda, UG and most of African countries are backwater - under tight military control. We have to thanks the wisdom of Moi, Kenyatta and Kibaki - and now Uhuru - who despite losing here or there - knows Kenya is bigger than them. Raila will NEVER become PORK because he has shown severally that he doesn't mind kenya going down for his ambition. 1982 coup stick out like a sour thumb.
I believe the Rwandese like all human beings want freedom and choice. Even infants as old as two days old want to have their way. In Kenya we were lucky to have had leaders who said NO not only to the colonialists but continued to say NO to Kenyattaa and Moi at the height of their dictatorial tendencies. We have therefore developed a very strong culture and tradition of resisting dictators and totalitarians which we can deploy very quickly. I liked Raila's answer when he was asked to condemn the tribal vitriol in the social media. The successful story of the opposition has yet to be told because we now focus so much on money and power. However, it will be a powerful story when the achievements of those who fought for our freedoms post independence is told. It will probably be told after Raila passes away. This is why they cannot finish Raila no matter how much they try. His legacy is sealed. He did not do it alone by any means but he has become a symbol of that struggle with all its success and glory. Money and power come and go but the freedoms and democracy we have achieved will always stay with us. We are not going back to Egypt.
Rwanda is a cult system. Expect 93% Kagame. Most serious opponents are in jail. Like Deutschland - it will take decades for them to break out of the anything for peace spell.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
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That can be debated but Raila is obviuously the longests serving and also the longest in detention.
I think Matiba - who is now bankrupt cripple - is the most outstanding second liberation hero. Raila, Imanyara, Nyong'o, Muite, etc are second tier.
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That can be debated but Raila is obviuously the longests serving and also the longest in detention.
I think Matiba - who is now bankrupt cripple - is the most outstanding second liberation hero. Raila, Imanyara, Nyong'o, Muite, etc are second tier.
Matiba and Rubia were contributors but also relative late-comers. I think Jaramogi rightfully deserves the mantle of the father of democracy. There were a few other significant contributors.
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You disproportionately attribute our democratic advancement to Raila. Kenya has always been an advanced democracy by sub-saharan africa. It has always religiously held election every 5yr, has stuck with democratic ideals & practise and apart from Raila failed coup - Kenyans believe in peaceful ousting of power. Where Raila wanted to take Kenya in 82 -is why Rwanda, UG and most of African countries are backwater - under tight military control. We have to thanks the wisdom of Moi, Kenyatta and Kibaki - and now Uhuru - who despite losing here or there - knows Kenya is bigger than them. Raila will NEVER become PORK because he has shown severally that he doesn't mind kenya going down for his ambition. 1982 coup stick out like a sour thumb.
I believe the Rwandese like all human beings want freedom and choice. Even infants as old as two days old want to have their way. In Kenya we were lucky to have had leaders who said NO not only to the colonialists but continued to say NO to Kenyattaa and Moi at the height of their dictatorial tendencies. We have therefore developed a very strong culture and tradition of resisting dictators and totalitarians which we can deploy very quickly. I liked Raila's answer when he was asked to condemn the tribal vitriol in the social media. The successful story of the opposition has yet to be told because we now focus so much on money and power. However, it will be a powerful story when the achievements of those who fought for our freedoms post independence is told. It will probably be told after Raila passes away. This is why they cannot finish Raila no matter how much they try. His legacy is sealed. He did not do it alone by any means but he has become a symbol of that struggle with all its success and glory. Money and power come and go but the freedoms and democracy we have achieved will always stay with us. We are not going back to Egypt.
He has a shot at declaring himself mwami. That way they can dispense with the expensive charade of elections. Rwandan society has been deferential to authoritarians since antiquity.
I agree Raila gets an unfair if understandable amount of credit. The truth though is he has somehow managed to cultivate an image of an outsider, even though he has been part of the system for a decent while. If Ruto did the same, you would be calling him a genius.
The Kenyatta, Moi, Kibaki, Uhuru theory is just plain wrong. Most democratic progress has been made in spite of them. Uhuru and Ruto are hostile the current constitution and have done everything in their power to minimize its impact.
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Paul Kagame re-elected president with 99% of vote in Rwanda election
Former guerrilla leader praised for bringing stability and growth after genocide but criticised as authoritarian wins third term
(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election#img-1)
Paul Kagame, the controversial president of Rwanda, has won a landslide victory in the small African state’s election, securing a third term in office and extending his 17 years in power.
The result will surprise no one, inside or outside Rwanda.
Kagame, 59, has won international praise for the stability and economic development he has brought Rwanda since the 1994 genocide, when an estimated 800,000 people were killed, but he has also been accused of running an authoritarian, one-party state. Some have dismissed the polls as a sham.
Friday’s election came after a constitutional amendment, which ended a two-term limit for presidents and theoretically permits Kagame to remain in power until 2034. The amendment was approved by 98% of voters.
In the final tally for Friday’s election, he won almost 99% of votes cast, said Kalisa Mbanda, chairman of the National Electoral Commission.
The board expects turnout in the east African country of 12 million people to have topped 90% in an election that fielded only a single opposition candidate, Frank Habineza, and an independent.
Habineza, a former journalist who leads the Green Democratic party, said last week the authorities in Rwanda were “starting to understand the opposition can play a role in running the country”.
“We are still treated as if we are enemies … but so far in this election no one in our party has been killed or imprisoned or harassed and that means at least some progress,” he said before a rally in the small southern town of Rango.
The election board disqualified another would-be opponent, Diane Rwigara, despite her insistence that she met all the requirements to run.
After results were announced, Kagame said he would work to sustain economic growth. Infant mortality and poverty levels have dropped rapidly in Rwanda in recent decades, while literacy rates and other indicators of development have soared. New roads have been built and an ambitious programme of investment launched. Kigali is perhaps the cleanest and most orderly African capital city.
“This is another seven years to take care of issues that affect Rwandans and ensure that we become real Rwandans who are [economically] developing,” he said in a speech broadcast live on television.
Kagame led rebel forces into Rwanda to end the 1994 genocide and went on to wage further wars in the region. He won the last election in 2010 with 93% of the vote, and said during this campaign that he again expected an outright victory.
Despite some discontent over joblessness and other issues, the president appears authentically popular in Rwanda, which has had some of the fastest economic growth rates in Africa and has become known for its stability in a deeply troubled region.
At a succession of rallies attended by large numbers of supporters from the ruling Rwandan Patriotic Front party, Kagame promised more schools, roads and clinics. Supporters at a rally in Burera in the north of the landlocked country said last week that they could not imagine another leader.
Reuters reported that voters celebrated the election result into the early hours of Saturday.
“Last night was fantastic. People kept coming in until my bar had more than 200 people. I usually get 100 on normal days. They were all celebrating and I left at 2am, but they were still dancing and more were coming,” said John Habimana, owner of the popular Roasty Bar in Kigali.
Other residents were less happy, the agency said. “To me I see this as a one-man race. I simply did not go to vote,” said one man in the capital who asked not to be named.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election)
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When you think about what happened in Rwanda during the genocide and the aftermath, then you want to give them a break. They have a very unique history because of that horrible/unimaginable incident. Just imagine how Kenyans are still traumatized by the 2008 PEV and that was absolutely nothing compared to what happened in Rwanda. One day hopefully they will heal and then they can embrace democracy. In Kenya we are still in denial of the trauma 2008 PEV caused some of our citizens and that is why some folks criticize those who are getting out of the urban arears and going to places up country where they feel safe. Maybe after 2-3 consecutive peaceful elections, Kenyans will forget the 2008 PEV. I have heard some die-hard Jubilee supporters say that ouru can steal 2007 the elections 2007 kibakik style and that a few people will riot here and there and the police/kdf will take care of it and the country will be back to normal in about three weeks. I hope Ouruto do not believe that crap.
Paul Kagame re-elected president with 99% of vote in Rwanda election
Former guerrilla leader praised for bringing stability and growth after genocide but criticised as authoritarian wins third term
(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election#img-1)
Paul Kagame, the controversial president of Rwanda, has won a landslide victory in the small African state’s election, securing a third term in office and extending his 17 years in power.
The result will surprise no one, inside or outside Rwanda.
Kagame, 59, has won international praise for the stability and economic development he has brought Rwanda since the 1994 genocide, when an estimated 800,000 people were killed, but he has also been accused of running an authoritarian, one-party state. Some have dismissed the polls as a sham.
Friday’s election came after a constitutional amendment, which ended a two-term limit for presidents and theoretically permits Kagame to remain in power until 2034. The amendment was approved by 98% of voters.
In the final tally for Friday’s election, he won almost 99% of votes cast, said Kalisa Mbanda, chairman of the National Electoral Commission.
The board expects turnout in the east African country of 12 million people to have topped 90% in an election that fielded only a single opposition candidate, Frank Habineza, and an independent.
Habineza, a former journalist who leads the Green Democratic party, said last week the authorities in Rwanda were “starting to understand the opposition can play a role in running the country”.
“We are still treated as if we are enemies … but so far in this election no one in our party has been killed or imprisoned or harassed and that means at least some progress,” he said before a rally in the small southern town of Rango.
The election board disqualified another would-be opponent, Diane Rwigara, despite her insistence that she met all the requirements to run.
After results were announced, Kagame said he would work to sustain economic growth. Infant mortality and poverty levels have dropped rapidly in Rwanda in recent decades, while literacy rates and other indicators of development have soared. New roads have been built and an ambitious programme of investment launched. Kigali is perhaps the cleanest and most orderly African capital city.
“This is another seven years to take care of issues that affect Rwandans and ensure that we become real Rwandans who are [economically] developing,” he said in a speech broadcast live on television.
Kagame led rebel forces into Rwanda to end the 1994 genocide and went on to wage further wars in the region. He won the last election in 2010 with 93% of the vote, and said during this campaign that he again expected an outright victory.
Despite some discontent over joblessness and other issues, the president appears authentically popular in Rwanda, which has had some of the fastest economic growth rates in Africa and has become known for its stability in a deeply troubled region.
At a succession of rallies attended by large numbers of supporters from the ruling Rwandan Patriotic Front party, Kagame promised more schools, roads and clinics. Supporters at a rally in Burera in the north of the landlocked country said last week that they could not imagine another leader.
Reuters reported that voters celebrated the election result into the early hours of Saturday.
“Last night was fantastic. People kept coming in until my bar had more than 200 people. I usually get 100 on normal days. They were all celebrating and I left at 2am, but they were still dancing and more were coming,” said John Habimana, owner of the popular Roasty Bar in Kigali.
Other residents were less happy, the agency said. “To me I see this as a one-man race. I simply did not go to vote,” said one man in the capital who asked not to be named.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election)
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Kagame will get Tustis killed again he is being stupid. Remember Hutu are in EASTERN Congo waiting for him to die or become impotent politically and they will strike
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I agree, he should spend this term preparing the country to chose his successor democratically then call it quits. Too much of a good can turn toxic very quickly.
Kagame will get Tustis killed again he is being stupid. Remember Hutu are in EASTERN Congo waiting for him to die or become impotent politically and they will strike