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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 02:10:29 PM

Title: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
I will be posting all unsubstantiated claims by the two main protagonists for record sake. I'll try and share links backed by screenshots to preserve them.


The claims are not necessarily ordered chronologically but I will try to adhere to that as we head towards Nane Nane.

Starting us off is Raila

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NASA PRESS STATEMENT:
SUSPICIOUS DEPLOYMENT OF POLICE OFFICERS ON UNSPECIFIED ELECTION MISSION.

Exactly one month ago, that is on the 20th of June 2017, at this very spot we stand on today, we alerted the country to the plans by the Jubilee administration to involve security agencies in the conduct and management of elections in ways that had nothing to do with maintaining peace and order.

We said that the mobilisation for involving security agencies in the conduct of elections began immediately the High Court ruled in April that presidential election results declared at the constituency are final and not subject to any moderation or alterations.
Of course the Jubilee administration, led by President Uhuru Kenyatta quickly mobilised and denied the existence of such schemes.

Today, we want to address a very specific aspect of this mobilisation and in turn demand very specific answers from the authorities to the country.
Documents in our possession, and which we are sharing with the public, indicate that a team of 42 police officers have been assigned what the Kenya Police Service calls “Special Duties” via a circular dated 23rd June 2017.

To perform the “special duties” the officers have had their kits withdrawn. They have been issued with clearance certificates and asked to report to police headquarters to be issued with discharge certificates on or before 2nd July 2017.

These officers have been picked from the various police formations including GSU, Kenya Airport Police Unit, Traffic, and Dog Unit among others, across the country.
Recruits to this scheme are also being drawn from the National Intelligence Service.

Information at our disposal indicate that these officers will be recruited as polling clerks of the IEBC, of course with instructions from the Jubilee administration on how to behave.

A similar exercise took place in the run up to the 2013 elections, when officers drawn mostly from the NIS were recruiting as polling clerks, IT officers and into other positions where they proceeded to manipulate and corrupt the system from within to deliver a dubious victory to Jubilee.

The recruitments going on now are not happening in isolation or out of the blues. They are products of panic strategy meetings by Jubilee that followed both the court rulings mentioned earlier and NIS polls that showed President Uhuru Kenyatta trailing by a huge margin.

We have details of a meeting dated Nairobi, Friday 16th June 2017 whose preamble said that an opinion poll commissioned by the NIS the week before had caused massive panic in government as it put the race at 30 per cent to 70 per cent in favour of NASA.
It was after this poll that Jubilee hurriedly formed a team that discussed in their own words, “three possible scenarios of the impending General Elections outcomes, and their likely repercussions.”
The recruitment of police officers into election activities and the mobilisation of other security agencies for so-called peace operation fall within the recommendations of the Jubilee team under scenario number two which was “An Undisputable Raila Win.”

The jubilee minutes dated Friday 16th June 2017 described a Raila win as “tragic” and said president Uhuru Kenyatta would out rightly reject the results and refuse to hand over power.
It is under this scenario of a Raila win, which now looks increasingly likely, that the on-going activities fall.
The Jubilee strategy team had recommended, among other things, use police officers as polling officials (presiding officers, polling clerks, and polling/party agents.)

We are demanding the following from the Inspector General of Police:
a) What is the nature of the special duties the police officers have been assigned?
b) What is the current posting of the police officers in question?
c) What are the criteria that were used to identify the officers to be picked for these special duties?
d) Which other Police officers are involved in special duty assignments surrounding the upcoming General Election.

Once again, we want to challenge President Kenyatta to go beyond mere rhetoric and show in action that he is prepared to play by the rules and respect the will of the Kenyan people in this election. Uhuru must not subvert the will of the people or overthrow our constitution. His maneuverers indicate that he is not prepared to respect the verdict of the people, contrary to his pronouncements.
To our supporters, I wish to affirm that there is something good in Uhuru’s manoeuvres. They indicate Jubilee is struggling and Uhuru is beatable.

Having failed the country by presiding over runaway corruption, massive unemployment and a malfunctioning economy, Uhuru has no achievement to show Kenyans and nothing to propel him.
The momentum is with NASA. We are poised for an outright win and Jubilee must end these manoeuvres.


https://www.facebook.com/OdmReloaded/posts/1291614480949533
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Kichwa on July 20, 2017, 02:27:44 PM
 Vooke: I find NASA's claims here very credible and timely.  The problem is that most ouru supporters want him to win so badly that they will support him even if he steals.  Most Kibaki supporters knew he stole in 2007 and love him for doing so.  You therefore lack the credibility to call these rumors because I am sure secretly you want ouru to win at all costs.
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 20, 2017, 02:50:31 PM
You should set up a criteria to guide determine what is a rumor and what is not.

Even before we go that far, from an epistemological perspective you have already failed the test and are the one spreading a rumor. You once posed here as a philosopher. So how come you post something that clearly fails criteria of truth?
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: RV Pundit on July 20, 2017, 02:51:53 PM
More nonsense of NASA.
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 02:59:37 PM
You should set up a criteria to guide determine what is a rumor and what is not.

Even before we go that far, from an epistemological perspective you have already failed the test and are the one spreading a rumor. You once posed here as a philosopher. So how come you post something that clearly fails criteria of truth?

Rumor, any claim without evidence.
Claiming to possess evidence is not evidence itself. That's why I said UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 03:00:31 PM
Vooke: I find NASA's claims here very credible and timely.  The problem is that most ouru supporters want him to win so badly that they will support him even if he steals.  Most Kibaki supporters knew he stole in 2007 and love him for doing so.  You therefore lack the credibility to call these rumors because I am sure secretly you want ouru to win at all costs.
Whether credible or not, if they are not backed by evidence, they should rightly be treated as UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.

Duale has made several claims against NASA and hacking. I will be posting that as well
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 03:11:02 PM
Duale during JUBILEE's NDC at Bomas on Saturday May 6th 2017, claims that NASA intends to rig by hacking IEBC system.

Duale is not one of the protagonist but his proximity to Uhunye makes his allegations equivalent to Jubilee's
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2017, 03:17:51 PM
Kenya's history of shameless rigging by Kanu and Kibaki predisposes me to be vigilant. That is why I support any transparency measures - observers, technology, media, etc. I don't know what to make of this but NASA has a duty to fight tooth and nail for free, fair and credible elections. Whoever wins must be above board - no top ups and such crap.
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 25, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Okoth Sewe works for ODM. So this claim is virtually indistinguishable from Babu Josh


So 5% of total voters were transferred without their consent.


That's a huge number given in 2016, about 500K requested for the transfer. Transfers continued this year but only from the Constituency which means longer distances for voters to effect them, meaning far fewer transfers were effected.

I don't have the figures but let's assume total transfers in 2017 was 300K.  So the claim is for every valid voter transferred, IEBC illegally transferred another innocent voter.

Question, is what or where is the evidence of this?
What was IEBC smoking knowing during verification these voters would pick the discrepancies and complain?
Supposing 10% of these found discrepancies during verification and then 10% of them made noise. Thats about 10K voters.

Where is the evidence of 8K pissed off voters?
Wait, they never bothered to verify so they will be shocked on Nane Nane to find their details missing.

The smoking gun is one or two cases in court.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Tough-bid-to-curb-voter-importation-as-IEBC-starts-last-listing-/1056-3517840-2dccfh/index.html



What NASWA don't realize is, in a desperate attempt to smear IEBC,when they will report facts nobody will take them seriously
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 27, 2017, 12:25:58 PM
NASWA is aiding al shabaab

Obviously false but NASWA and al shabaab are in agreement. Jubilee is not exploiting this


Nothing like that
http://www.janes.com/article/search?query=Kenya
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 03:09:38 PM

http://fb.me/1PbUz0HgZ

[pdf]https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8ZFY2eUlXWXRONTg[/pdf]
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 28, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
You can not just call everything a "rumor".

What is your CRITERIA for calling something a rumor?
I would for starters demand proof, evidence and in some cases failure by the accused to contradict or deny.

In your case everything said by NASA is a rumor and everything said by Jubilee and IEBC (with a few silly exceptions you post) is the Truth. That is how you undermine your own position and make it ridiculous.

For the Record, NASA held a Presser where it first shared documents , including minutes, locations, numbers etc substantiating the assertions. They gave the media plenty of time to study the same. NOT a SINGLE question was directed at Orengo or Magaya.

Instead Jubilee organs have launched a propaganda campaign with The Ethnic Rag claiming NASA will boycott the elections - which is THE rumor.



http://fb.me/1PbUz0HgZ
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 03:22:39 PM
You can not just call everything a "rumor".

What is your CRITERIA for calling something a rumor?
I would for starters demand proof, evidence and in some cases failure by the accused to contradict or deny.

In your case everything said by NASA is a rumor and everything said by Jubilee and IEBC (with a few silly exceptions you post) is the Truth. That is how you undermine your own position and make it ridiculous.

For the Record, NASA held a Presser where it first shared documents , including minutes, locations, numbers etc substantiating the assertions. They gave the media plenty of time to study the same. NOT a SINGLE question was directed at Orengo or Magaya.

Instead Jubilee organs have launched a propaganda campaign with The Ethnic Rag claiming NASA will boycott the elections - which is THE rumor.



http://fb.me/1PbUz0HgZ

ZERO facts=rumors
Shouting from the rooftop don't turn rumors into facts FYI
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 28, 2017, 03:48:31 PM
Like I said, you cannot decide what is a rumor merely by whether it supports Jubilee or opposes. There must be a criteria which is then followed.

NASA has presented evidence. Have you examined the evidence? What in it does not constitute or meet your threshold for a "fact"?

How is a press conference attended by local and international journalists become "shouting on rooftops"? Assuming that NASA shouted, what is your preferred location for such "shouting"?

You can not just call everything a "rumor".

What is your CRITERIA for calling something a rumor?
I would for starters demand proof, evidence and in some cases failure by the accused to contradict or deny.

In your case everything said by NASA is a rumor and everything said by Jubilee and IEBC (with a few silly exceptions you post) is the Truth. That is how you undermine your own position and make it ridiculous.

For the Record, NASA held a Presser where it first shared documents , including minutes, locations, numbers etc substantiating the assertions. They gave the media plenty of time to study the same. NOT a SINGLE question was directed at Orengo or Magaya.

Instead Jubilee organs have launched a propaganda campaign with The Ethnic Rag claiming NASA will boycott the elections - which is THE rumor.




ZERO facts=rumors
Shouting from the rooftop don't turn rumors into facts FYI
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 04:02:29 PM
Like I said, you cannot decide what is a rumor merely by whether it supports Jubilee or opposes. There must be a criteria which is then followed.

NASA has presented evidence. Have you examined the evidence? What in it does not constitute or meet your threshold for a "fact"?

How is a press conference attended by local and international journalists become "shouting on rooftops"? Assuming that NASA shouted, what is your preferred location for such "shouting"?

You can not just call everything a "rumor".

What is your CRITERIA for calling something a rumor?
I would for starters demand proof, evidence and in some cases failure by the accused to contradict or deny.

In your case everything said by NASA is a rumor and everything said by Jubilee and IEBC (with a few silly exceptions you post) is the Truth. That is how you undermine your own position and make it ridiculous.

For the Record, NASA held a Presser where it first shared documents , including minutes, locations, numbers etc substantiating the assertions. They gave the media plenty of time to study the same. NOT a SINGLE question was directed at Orengo or Magaya.

Instead Jubilee organs have launched a propaganda campaign with The Ethnic Rag claiming NASA will boycott the elections - which is THE rumor.




ZERO facts=rumors
Shouting from the rooftop don't turn rumors into facts FYI
Bogus 'evidence' doesn't count.
Unsubstantiated claims=rumors=Bullshiet
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 28, 2017, 04:58:45 PM
I just wanted to pursue and expose your pretence. This whole thread is just another of the propaganda games being peddled by you. There is no objectivity whatsoever. Infact you have become a rumor yourself.

Did you examine the evidence and find it "bogus"? What exactly is bogus about it? Have you even examined the evidence? You sound like a drunkard who simply decides something is bogus because he say so.

Any way ALL the plans will FAIL. Uhuru is going home.

Bogus 'evidence' doesn't count.
Unsubstantiated claims=rumors=Bullshiet
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
I just wanted to pursue and expose your pretence. This whole thread is just another of the propaganda games being peddled by you. There is no objectivity whatsoever. Infact you have become a rumor yourself.

Did you examine the evidence and find it "bogus"? What exactly is bogus about it? Have you even examined the evidence? You sound like a drunkard who simply decides something is bogus because he say so.

Any way ALL the plans will FAIL. Uhuru is going home.

Bogus 'evidence' doesn't count.
Unsubstantiated claims=rumors=Bullshiet
I shared the document and you're probably seeing it here for the first time

I have Checked the mobile numbers towards the end and they are legit. Babu is 1000% right.


This is not a rumor.

I withdraw my hasty generalization.

Omorlo,
I'm sorry
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
I just wanted to pursue and expose your pretence. This whole thread is just another of the propaganda games being peddled by you. There is no objectivity whatsoever. Infact you have become a rumor yourself.

Did you examine the evidence and find it "bogus"? What exactly is bogus about it? Have you even examined the evidence? You sound like a drunkard who simply decides something is bogus because he say so.

Any way ALL the plans will FAIL. Uhuru is going home.

Bogus 'evidence' doesn't count.
Unsubstantiated claims=rumors=Bullshiet
I shared the document and you're probably seeing it here for the first time

I have Checked the mobile numbers towards the end and they are legit. Babu is 1000% right.


This is not a rumor.

I withdraw my hasty generalization.

Omorlo,
I'm sorry

Omorlo,
I was saying this in jest.

Once again, claims without evidence=rumors=bullshiet

Some asses are going to roll in KDF, and Babu won't be there to save them...off to Somalia frontline
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 28, 2017, 09:42:18 PM
Blowing the whistle on Treason always has consequences. It is historical. May be you have heard of Dreyfus Affair in the French army. Sometimes the whistleblower ends up being tried for that very treason he reported.

So perhaps there will be retaliation which if Kenya were decent should protect the whistle blowers from. That said, if they lose as I suspect, they will avoid the retribution you allude to but will still be held suspect and untrusted. Either way a whistle blower always loses.

Most WB will be divorced and out of a job and probably broke and dead in 5 years.
Omorlo,
I was saying this in jest.

Once again, claims without evidence=rumors=bullshiet

Some asses are going to roll in KDF, and Babu won't be there to save them...off to Somalia frontline
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: vooke on July 28, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
Blowing the whistle on Treason always has consequences. It is historical. May be you have heard of Dreyfus Affair in the French army. Sometimes the whistleblower ends up being tried for that very treason he reported.

So perhaps there will be retaliation which if Kenya were decent should protect the whistle blowers from. That said, if they lose as I suspect, they will avoid the retribution you allude to but will still be held suspect and untrusted. Either way a whistle blower always loses.

Most WB will be divorced and out of a job and probably broke and dead in 5 years.
Omorlo,
I was saying this in jest.

Once again, claims without evidence=rumors=bullshiet

Some asses are going to roll in KDF, and Babu won't be there to save them...off to Somalia frontline

Nigga will probably be blown to smithereens by an IED and his family won't get to bury him
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
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Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Omollo on July 31, 2017, 12:18:41 PM
My reaction to the Musando case will appear soon.
Title: Re: Rumors in the Lead to Nane Nane
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 31, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
If you draw a chart with people's pictures and arrows, the jubilant considers it superior evidence for anything you say it proves.
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