IEBC seems to have deleted single digit queries from the database, but Kenyans have gone a step further. More ghost voters here.... pic.twitter.com/6qs0qABf0E
— James Smart (@jamessmat) June 29, 2017
I did try send 1 and didn't get response. IEBC depend on Principal Registar of Persons to submit list of those who have died. If biometric register works - then this will handle those fake votes.they are frantically hiding the single digit entries but as you can see Kenyans are on to them.
The numbers are appalling. They go upto 7 digits. Eg 2389391. You can imagine from single digit up to 7 numbers. How many voters r those??
— I_The_Fractal (@Simply_Seruya) June 29, 2017
You say you're an IT expert. Explain to me how a single digit ID. Number would have entered the database
hahaha.I am glad on this we are so far on the same page.
http://voterstatus.iebc.or.ke/voter
Just typed Kamau and got the results. IEBC should suspend this verification process and really clean their database. This is not good at all.
That is why it's even more important that we stick with what has been announced at the constituency. Not what is on the system.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDjem8uXYAAMj-S?format=jpg&name=large)
They are saying they decided to keep those invalid figures in fear it could disenfranchise them - say identification will be biometric.Because most of them are Jubilee "voters". This will stop in court. The question is voting is a legal transaction. Can one transact any business that requires positive identification that is clearly specified without meeting the requirements?
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2017/06/iebc-retains-171476-invalid-id-entries-voters-roll-wary-disenfranchisement/
Here your late summer reversal of the law will return to haunt you as Orengo predicted. You insisted that biometrics will not work. Therefore one will need an ID card. Now you say the ID is not available, so one will need biometrics! :D :D :D
First those misatkes were random.It sounds reasonable to me what Chebukati wants to do. I don't know how you want them correct a clerical error say on polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID.
Let us be reasonable.
-When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -
- When that fails and you insist you're registered - they will ask for you ID & if they find you details - you vote.
- When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.
- When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.
In short -election has to happen - there will inevitable mistakes (170K out 19M - is less than 1%), systems will fail in polling station x or z, but we cannot insist on error -free electronic voting when that is impossible.
Before rushing to court - the reasonable thing is to ask for those 170,000 records that have clerical issues - see what KPMG and IEBC said about them - analyze them to see if they are random or deliberate errors - I am sure all of them have biometric records.
Always try to reason and be rational - not an emotional rumour monger.
IEBC have clerical error rate here of 0.9% - 99% of the records are correct - that is good enough for me - I want fair mistakes to happen if they must.Here your late summer reversal of the law will return to haunt you as Orengo predicted. You insisted that biometrics will not work. Therefore one will need an ID card. Now you say the ID is not available, so one will need biometrics! :D :D :D
Pundit
I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database
2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.
3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH
Again little knowledge is dangerous. You can certainly have a database of text. You see the ID/Password field accepted alphanumeric because whilst your ID is numeric your password is alpha-numeric. I can see why they designed it that way.
There is no way of IEBC knowing who died (they only got 89K out of possibly 1-2m dead votes) - if the chief didn't report it. When you went to bury Juma - did you inform the local ass chief - and did the ass chief send the form to Nairobi.
We need to analyze the 170K records - my bet is they are randomly distributed - across the country - maybe 1-2 such cases in every polling stations.
The same case with affidavits - I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations.
This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world.
If IEBC biometric machines works - we would have brought down the error rate says to 95% -Pundit
I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database
2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.
3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH
Pundit
You will not succeed in bullying me with claims of ignorance. I know my stuff very well and on that you could attempt something else may be percentages.
ID card numbers are numerical. There would be NO REASON to set that to alphanumeric unless one was planning to also enter non numeric characters (probably secretly).
May be dead voters (who died 15 years ago before the current register was set up in 2012) somehow got registered and the IEBC has no way of knowing they died. But explain how ID cards of dead people have been recycled and used to register completely different people. So it is clear: The ID card number used to belong to your dead Grandfather who died in 2010 but is now bearing the name of Maina who is a registered voter in Mombasa.
This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world: spare that for Kenyans without exposure. Omollo has observed over 300 elections around the globe. If elections were held on Mars Omollo would be among those chosen to observe. Just for the record he has also particip�aited in the supervision of two elections! One in East Timor! nkt!
The same case with affidavits - I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations: What if there are more than 3Again little knowledge is dangerous. You can certainly have a database of text. You see the ID/Password field accepted alphanumeric because whilst your ID is numeric your password is alpha-numeric. I can see why they designed it that way.
There is no way of IEBC knowing who died (they only got 89K out of possibly 1-2m dead votes) - if the chief didn't report it. When you went to bury Juma - did you inform the local ass chief - and did the ass chief send the form to Nairobi.
We need to analyze the 170K records - my bet is they are randomly distributed - across the country - maybe 1-2 such cases in every polling stations.
The same case with affidavits - I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations.
This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world.
If IEBC biometric machines works - we would have brought down the error rate says to 95% -Pundit
I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database
2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.
3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH
Here you respond with nonsense. The field is either PASSPORT OR ID NUMBER. That has to be alpha-numeric - accepting both text and numbers. As for dead votes bla de bla - evidence please. This is human process - expect to see more errors. I am satisfied with Chebukati explanation. But if you convince me as always I am very open minded to change my mind.
If you're a world class expert on matters election - why not send your CV to IEBC as consultant?
Pundit
Explain to me better why a field for ID should allow Text? I believe if I were designing the database I would provide for a drop down choice for 1. National ID 2. Passport
If you choose passport which contains a prefix of text may be two or three letters (depending on the Kenyan passport) I would allow for that prefix. Then the rest of the passport number which is numeric would only allow numerals. For example PSK - 2341869. Need I explain more?
As for National ID which does not contain text in the number, the entire number would be numerical. Anything outside these parameters would be REJECTED.
DEAD Voters EVidence: Kindly go back to threads you pretended to have read and you will find lots of evidence I posted there. I can post more if you so wish.
I do not need an IEBC job. It is a Rigging Machine. The day Kenya is ready for elections to be determined by voters and not the NIS, IEBC and the Police, I will volunteer. For now I choose to lend my expertise to NASA to defeat the Rigging Machine.
Plus they cannot afford my services.
It all depend on who designed the database - it obvious they decided to have one field or column for both ID/Passport. I haven't see any conspiracy - of course I have learn to ignore any of your infamous ones. I am satisfied so far with Chebukati explanation on why they cannot just purge 170K records.
Chebukati has restored faith in the register - next is parliament to receive this and to adopt the register - and next time we should be talking about register - will be at supreme court.