The Fake IEBCKENYA Audit

[Omollo]

They are saying they decided to keep those invalid figures in fear it could disenfranchise them - say identification will be biometric.
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2017/06/iebc-retains-171476-invalid-id-entries-voters-roll-wary-disenfranchisement/

Because most of them are Jubilee "voters". This will stop in court. The question is voting is a legal transaction. Can one transact any business that requires positive identification that is clearly specified without meeting the requirements?

Here your late summer reversal of the law will return to haunt you as Orengo predicted. You insisted that biometrics will not work. Therefore one will need an ID card. Now you say the ID is not available, so one will need biometrics!

[RV Pundit]

First those misatkes were random.It sounds reasonable to me what Chebukati wants to do. I don't know how you want them correct a clerical error say on polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID.
Let us be reasonable.
-When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -
- When that fails and you insist you're registered - they will ask for you ID & if they find you details - you vote.
 - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.
  - At end of the day no kenyan should be disenfranchised cost of systems or processes IEBC have put in place

In short -election has to happen - there will inevitable mistakes (170K out 19M - is less than 1%), systems will fail in polling station x or z, but we cannot insist on error -free electronic voting when that is impossible.

Before rushing to court - the reasonable thing is to ask for those 170,000 records that have clerical issues - see what KPMG and IEBC said about them - analyze them to see if they are random or deliberate errors - I am sure all of them have biometric records.

Always try to reason and be rational - not an emotional rumour monger.

IEBC have clerical error rate here of 0.9% - 99% of the records are correct - that is good enough for me - I want fair mistakes to happen if they must.

Here your late summer reversal of the law will return to haunt you as Orengo predicted. You insisted that biometrics will not work. Therefore one will need an ID card. Now you say the ID is not available, so one will need biometrics!

[Omollo]

Pundit

I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database

2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.

3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH drkhjhgf can't be disenfranchised, he doesn't exist. And surely a guy with ID card 00000 and 0 and 000 and 00000 and 000010 10101010 surely can't complain, can he? How about 12345678? Or Philip Etale's dead mom or Wafula Wabuge? Or many guys whose relatives died government recylced their ID numbers and assigned them to Kyuk voters?
5. The report indicated that 2.9 voters had incomplete data. So your percentages are again (and as usual) wrong. We need the KPMG report released so we can see for ourselves what it says.

6. NASA has formally written to the IEBC on all those matters:
- The delay in opening up the register which should have been done 22 days ago
- The KPMG report
- The list of those expunged so NASA could verify
-Specific details about the database

IEBC has NOT responded. So the first step to a suit has been taken.

First those misatkes were random.It sounds reasonable to me what Chebukati wants to do. I don't know how you want them correct a clerical error say on polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID.
Let us be reasonable.
-When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -
- When that fails and you insist you're registered - they will ask for you ID & if they find you details - you vote.
 - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.
 - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.

In short -election has to happen - there will inevitable mistakes (170K out 19M - is less than 1%), systems will fail in polling station x or z, but we cannot insist on error -free electronic voting when that is impossible.

Before rushing to court - the reasonable thing is to ask for those 170,000 records that have clerical issues - see what KPMG and IEBC said about them - analyze them to see if they are random or deliberate errors - I am sure all of them have biometric records.

Always try to reason and be rational - not an emotional rumour monger.

IEBC have clerical error rate here of 0.9% - 99% of the records are correct - that is good enough for me - I want fair mistakes to happen if they must.

Here your late summer reversal of the law will return to haunt you as Orengo predicted. You insisted that biometrics will not work. Therefore one will need an ID card. Now you say the ID is not available, so one will need biometrics!

[RV Pundit]

Again little knowledge is dangerous. You can certainly have a database of text. You see the ID/Password field accepted alphanumeric because whilst your ID is numeric your password is alpha-numeric. I can see why they designed it that way.

During 2013 petition - we also heard that some training data in some tablets were not purged before real entry began - possibly those KJDGJWKJ bla de bla are training data - that IEBC staff forgot to delete - and synced the data to central IEBC database.

There is no way of IEBC knowing who died (they only got 89K out of possibly 1-2m dead votes) - if the chief didn't report it. When you went to bury Juma - did you inform the local ass chief - and did the ass chief send the form to Nairobi.

We need to analyze the 170K records - my bet is they are randomly distributed - across the country - maybe 1-2 such cases in every polling stations.

The same case with affidavits -  I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations.

This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world.

If IEBC biometric machines works - we would have brought down the error rate says to 95% -

This huge endavour. 41,000 polling stations. Nearly 500,000 staff. Do you understand what we are dealing with here 

We expect fair errors. We expect fair mistakes. We expect fair mishaps. We expect fair failures.

We epxect IEBC to have backup plans for nearly everything - if this fails - do this - if that fail - do this.

As much as possible we should never disenfranchise a citizen because our systems failed or our process were not upto scratch - and that is the constitution.

Ultimately what will save us is more technology - biometrics - but nothing that has human in it will ever be error free.

Pundit

I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database

2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.

3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH

[Omollo]

Pundit

You will not succeed in bullying me with claims of ignorance. I know my stuff very well and on that you could attempt something else may be percentages.

ID card numbers are numerical. There would be NO REASON to set that to alphanumeric unless one was planning to also enter non numeric characters (probably secretly).

May be dead voters (who died 15 years ago before the current register was set up in 2012) somehow got registered and the IEBC has no way of knowing they died. But explain how ID cards of dead people have been recycled and used to register completely different people. So it is clear: The ID card number used to belong to your dead Grandfather who died in 2010 but is now bearing the name of Maina who is a registered voter in Mombasa.
This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world:The same case with affidavits -  I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations: What if there are more than 3

Again little knowledge is dangerous. You can certainly have a database of text. You see the ID/Password field accepted alphanumeric because whilst your ID is numeric your password is alpha-numeric. I can see why they designed it that way.

There is no way of IEBC knowing who died (they only got 89K out of possibly 1-2m dead votes) - if the chief didn't report it. When you went to bury Juma - did you inform the local ass chief - and did the ass chief send the form to Nairobi.

We need to analyze the 170K records - my bet is they are randomly distributed - across the country - maybe 1-2 such cases in every polling stations.

The same case with affidavits -  I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations.

This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world.

If IEBC biometric machines works - we would have brought down the error rate says to 95% -

Pundit

I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database

2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.

3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH

[RV Pundit]

Here you respond with nonsense. The field is either PASSPORT OR ID NUMBER. That has to be alpha-numeric - accepting both text and numbers. As for dead votes bla de bla - evidence please. This is human process - expect to see more errors. I am satisfied with Chebukati explanation. But if you convince me as always I am very open minded to change my mind.

If you're a world class expert on matters election - why not send your CV to IEBC as consultant?

Pundit

You will not succeed in bullying me with claims of ignorance. I know my stuff very well and on that you could attempt something else may be percentages.

ID card numbers are numerical. There would be NO REASON to set that to alphanumeric unless one was planning to also enter non numeric characters (probably secretly).

May be dead voters (who died 15 years ago before the current register was set up in 2012) somehow got registered and the IEBC has no way of knowing they died. But explain how ID cards of dead people have been recycled and used to register completely different people. So it is clear: The ID card number used to belong to your dead Grandfather who died in 2010 but is now bearing the name of Maina who is a registered voter in Mombasa.
This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world:The same case with affidavits -  I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations: What if there are more than 3

Again little knowledge is dangerous. You can certainly have a database of text. You see the ID/Password field accepted alphanumeric because whilst your ID is numeric your password is alpha-numeric. I can see why they designed it that way.

There is no way of IEBC knowing who died (they only got 89K out of possibly 1-2m dead votes) - if the chief didn't report it. When you went to bury Juma - did you inform the local ass chief - and did the ass chief send the form to Nairobi.

We need to analyze the 170K records - my bet is they are randomly distributed - across the country - maybe 1-2 such cases in every polling stations.

The same case with affidavits -  I expect 1 -3 affivadits in every polling stations.

This is human process - there will be errors - if you're looking for a flawless election - that has never happened anywhere in the world.

If IEBC biometric machines works - we would have brought down the error rate says to 95% -

Pundit

I may be rusted but I still remember my days in IT.
polling station x where clerk entered KAMAU instead of the voter ID:
1. No database would accept letters when it is programmed to accept numerals and vice versa
If this database is accepting the word KAMAU and that the word was entered instead of the ID, then it is seriously flawed. It is NOT a database

2. -When you go to polling station- they will ID you with biometrics -Unless you are a quarry worker in Central and have no fingerprints - the excuse provided when the law was changed.

3. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.So who will mass produce 2.9 affidavits?
4. - When that fails and you still insist - they will let you sign the affidavit and vote.All the affadavits will be attached.: I doubt that Jacob Juma for all his patritism is still a voter. kAHDFIJASFH

[Omollo]

Pundit

Explain to me better why a field for ID should allow Text? I believe if I were designing the database I would provide for a drop down choice for 1. National ID 2. Passport

If you choose passport which contains a prefix of text may be two or three letters (depending on the Kenyan passport) I would allow for that prefix. Then the rest of the passport number which is numeric would only allow numerals. For example PSK - 2341869. Need I explain more?

As for National ID which does not contain text in the number, the entire number would be numerical. Anything outside these parameters would be REJECTED.

DEAD Voters EVidence: Kindly go back to threads you pretended to have read and you will find lots of evidence I posted there. I can post more if you so wish.

I do not need an IEBC job. It is a Rigging Machine. The day Kenya is ready for elections to be determined by voters and not the NIS, IEBC and the Police, I will volunteer. For now I choose to lend my expertise to NASA to defeat the Rigging Machine.

Plus they cannot afford my services.

Here you respond with nonsense. The field is either PASSPORT OR ID NUMBER. That has to be alpha-numeric - accepting both text and numbers. As for dead votes bla de bla - evidence please. This is human process - expect to see more errors. I am satisfied with Chebukati explanation. But if you convince me as always I am very open minded to change my mind.

If you're a world class expert on matters election - why not send your CV to IEBC as consultant?

[RV Pundit]

It all depend on who designed the database - it obvious they decided to have one field or column for both ID/Passport. I haven't see any conspiracy - of course I have learn to ignore any of your infamous ones. I am satisfied so far with Chebukati explanation on why they cannot just purge 170K records.

Chebukati has restored faith in the register - next is parliament to receive this and to adopt the register - and next time we should be talking about register - will be at supreme court.

Pundit

Explain to me better why a field for ID should allow Text? I believe if I were designing the database I would provide for a drop down choice for 1. National ID 2. Passport

If you choose passport which contains a prefix of text may be two or three letters (depending on the Kenyan passport) I would allow for that prefix. Then the rest of the passport number which is numeric would only allow numerals. For example PSK - 2341869. Need I explain more?

As for National ID which does not contain text in the number, the entire number would be numerical. Anything outside these parameters would be REJECTED.

DEAD Voters EVidence: Kindly go back to threads you pretended to have read and you will find lots of evidence I posted there. I can post more if you so wish.

I do not need an IEBC job. It is a Rigging Machine. The day Kenya is ready for elections to be determined by voters and not the NIS, IEBC and the Police, I will volunteer. For now I choose to lend my expertise to NASA to defeat the Rigging Machine.

Plus they cannot afford my services.

[Omollo]

So it means you can enter virtually any text as ID card? What use is it then to have a "database"?

It all depend on who designed the database - it obvious they decided to have one field or column for both ID/Passport. I haven't see any conspiracy - of course I have learn to ignore any of your infamous ones. I am satisfied so far with Chebukati explanation on why they cannot just purge 170K records.

Chebukati has restored faith in the register - next is parliament to receive this and to adopt the register - and next time we should be talking about register - will be at supreme court.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The only thing I can say with certainty is that they are not ready on the technology side.  It's hard to say if it's deliberate or not, whether it has a purpose or not, given the backdrop of general incompetence.