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Title: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: RVtitem on June 01, 2017, 09:49:56 PM

Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 02, 2017, 02:14:35 PM
I find May arrogant and dishonest. I think she is naturally obnoxious. Too many cliches and slogans. No substance. She must be spending al her time cramming phrases to drop.

I am thrilled to learn that her 26 point lead when she called the elections has vanished and she is to blame for it.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Georgesoros on June 02, 2017, 04:59:42 PM
May = Trump
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadudu on June 02, 2017, 05:39:46 PM
Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 02, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
May = Trump
I sincerely hope she loses. She has set about demonizing Jeremy Corbyn
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 02, 2017, 05:44:18 PM
Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.
I think as of now it is Corbin's to lose. The Pollsters cannot accept what they seeing. We have a Clinton-Trump situation again. The media expects May to win, the polls have started telling them she may lose badly. The media refuses to buy in. They invite Corbin to the studios to humiliate him but he turns tables on them by answering each and every one of their questions.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 02, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
May = Trump

I am genuinely confused about who is who in this election.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 02, 2017, 05:49:20 PM



It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: gout on June 02, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
I like his stand on the Palestine and terrorist Israel. The Israel terror need to be addressed for peace in middle East and to check global terrorism . Too bad Trump has become a turncoat.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 02, 2017, 06:04:31 PM
It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
 
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 02, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
 


I totally agree with that.  The regular joe, especially the so-called conservative(in reality a plain racist), has been conditioned to believe he is better off dying than paying a little extra that might end up helping a "lazy Negro" somewhere.  You literally cannot reason with them.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 02, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
I like his stand on the Palestine and terrorist Israel. The Israel terror need to be addressed for peace in middle East and to check global terrorism . Too bad Trump has become a turncoat.
Trump never wavered in his support of Israel.

Corbin's position is in line with the Pre-Thatcher position on Israel. Thatcher started the process which was completed by Tony "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Blair. He is not unsurprisingly against Corbin.

Trump is music to conspiracy Theorists like Hubris. He is bombing them and killing and they are cheering because he has mastered the art of deception.


Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 02, 2017, 07:38:58 PM
May = Trump
A gross mischaracterization. I have little sympathy for Brexiteers but May is nothing like Trump, come on.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 02, 2017, 07:55:29 PM
It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
That's why I have now become accustomed to qualifying any talk of 'conservative' or 'liberal' as the American meanings of the word. EU use of these words are wildly different.

But to be technically accurate, American 'liberals' are only socially liberal. Left is NOT liberal. Liberal means little to no government involvement. Liberal is actually 'Right.' So what we call liberal in colloquial 'American' is a stance that is liberal on social issues only but not fiscal and welfare matters. Most conservatives are fiscally conservative but not fully social liberal.

In any case, virtually all serious parties in most EU countries would be non-conservative (in the US sense). Even nationalist parties like Lepen's are very liberal on many issues. (again, in the American sense).

Thersa May is left of Hillary Clinton by far.

By the way I absolutely dislike her. I thought she was just a female George Bush who destroyed Libya. Trump did not have to be stupid after elections. He is not a true conservative. He had no true loyalty to them. He was for a lot of Obama policies (which he'd never admit were Obama's). I think American Democrats have made a big mistake in going on an all-out war. They could have brought him to their side with little flattering and his giant ego would have loved it and he would've pushed ahead a lot of their policies that Repubs have been blocking. Going on an all-out war has pushed him further to the right than he himself would have gone as it has left him no allies. If they get their wish and the man is impeached, they will get a true conservative in a president Pence, and that will be bad for them. Sure, No international embarrassments but very bad all the same.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 02, 2017, 08:06:33 PM
It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
In my personal opinion, France is far better with social matters than Switzerland. Switzerland has no free healthcare. Insurance there is mandatory and SUPER expensive. In fact, what am I saying, EVERYTHING in Switzerland in ridiculously expensive. Even basic food and such commodities in Super-markets. It's unbelievable to be honest. Their high salaries correspond to their high living costs. Going to a restaurant is not something you can just do ovyo ovyo like in France or any other surrounding country for that matter. Even public transport is too much in Switzerland. France is great.  :D And cheap. To be fair, so are the salaries. Also, the French are taxed too much. But not like Scandinavians. I hear it's almost impossible to start a small business in Scandinavia. The taxes will kill you.

For all our admiration of European social welfare, I think they got nothing on the US in terms of entrepreneurship and individual success. In the US the government doesn;t overly tax people and I get the sense that you work hard and smart in the US, sky is the limit for you. You can go far very fast. There are pluses and negatives to everything, lets not forget.

Although Americans are  crazy, my friend told me she doesn't get paid maternity leave. They let her go home but she doesn't get paid...now that is unthinkable in Europe. And maternity leaves are much longer than just two or three months. Even in a poor country like Kenya, there's paid maternity (even paternity) leave in formal employment. Kweli tea-partiers are insane. Things like universal health care and paid maternity leave are not things anyone in their right minds would oppose in my view, it's just ideology that blinds people. Even in Kenya it's just coz we can't afford. But we would never oppose it on principle like Americans do. Crazy!
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 02, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
That's why I have now become accustomed to qualifying any talk of 'conservative' or 'liberal' as the American meanings of the word. EU use of these words are wildly different.

But to be technically accurate, American 'liberals' are only socially liberal. Left is NOT liberal. Liberal means little to no government involvement. Liberal is actually 'Right.' So what we call liberal in colloquial 'American' is a stance that is liberal on social issues only but not fiscal and welfare matters. Most conservatives are fiscally conservative but not fully social liberal.

In any case, virtually all serious parties in most EU countries would be non-conservative (in the US sense). Even nationalist parties like Lepen's are very liberal on many issues. (again, in the American sense).

Thersa May is left of Hillary Clinton by far.

By the way I absolutely dislike her. I thought she was just a female George Bush who destroyed Libya. Trump did not have to be stupid after elections. He is not a true conservative. He had no true loyalty to them. He was for a lot of Obama policies (which he'd never admit were Obama's). I think American Democrats have made a big mistake in going on an all-out war. They could have brought him to their side with little flattering and his giant ego would have loved it and he would've pushed ahead a lot of their policies that Repubs have been blocking. Going on an all-out war has pushed him further to the right than he himself would have gone as it has left him no allies. If they get their wish and the man is impeached, they will get a true conservative in a president Pence, and that will be bad for them. Sure, No international embarrassments but very bad all the same.

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 02, 2017, 08:51:31 PM

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.
Here's why I don't think it's far fetched. Trump's base is not even conservative proper. As long as he builds them a wall and stops further immigration they'll be satisfied. I am thinking things like universal healthcare; that would not annoy Trump's base though it would infuriate the Republican Party.

Also, I think I wasn't accurate before. The way Americans use 'Left' and 'Right' is what is off, not liberal/conservative. Social liberal issues would be 'Right' along with the free market and social conservative would be left along with the welfare state etc. So most Europeans would say they are on the Right on social issues and the left on the fiscal. Americans mix them up. Or speak of things like centre left, centre right, for the nuance which is even more confusing to me. But most people know more about the American use so listening to Europeans talking is very confusing at least for me it is.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 02, 2017, 09:08:55 PM

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.
Here's why I don't think it's far fetched. Trump's base is not even conservative proper. As long as he builds them a wall and stops further immigration they'll be satisfied. I am thinking things like universal healthcare; that would not annoy Trump's base though it would infuriate the Republican Party.

Also, I think I wasn't accurate before. The way Americans use 'Left' and 'Right' is what is off, not liberal/conservative. Social liberal issues would be 'Right' along with the free market and social conservative would be left along with the welfare state etc. So most Europeans would say they are on the Right on social issues and the left on the fiscal. Americans mix them up. Or speak of things like centre left, centre right, for the nuance which is even more confusing. But most people know more about the American use so listening to Europeans talking is very confusing at first.

Things like healthcare matter to them.  But they are not show-stoppers.  The wall and harsh anti-immigrant policies are their bread and butter - Obama's election brought home the reality that soon they won't be a majority.  The Dems are not going to work with him on a wall.  Neither are the Republicans for different reasons.

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 02, 2017, 09:51:50 PM
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author=Windy City Assassin

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.
O for sure. A European Republican party would be a fringe little group most people knew nothing about or knew them very well for being a strange little group that was anti universal healthcare. The Dems would be super conservative.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 03, 2017, 01:35:46 PM
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author=Windy City Assassin

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.
O for sure. A European Republican party would be a fringe little group most people knew nothing about or knew them very well for being a strange little group that was anti universal healthcare. The Dems would be super conservative.

Yep.  Obama could not even bring himself to mention a public option, let alone single payer, when he started negotiations on Obamacare. 

Bernie Sanders would fit in Europe, as a normal guy.  His ideas here are generally viewed as fringe.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 03, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
I agree. A straight comparison between France and Switzerland places the latter closer to the US on steroids. When I lived there as an International civil servant I was exempt from taxes a nd compensated for having to spend my cash in that country. Most of my colleagues lived in France even though they worked in Geneva. The rents or houses were like 90% plus cheaper.

Switzerland makes money from the rich. That has been its tradition. There is plenty of it and anything less would create inflation worse than Zimbabwe. They have ways of vacuum cleaning some of that cash.

I however always felt they could do more as a country.
In my personal opinion, France is far better with social matters than Switzerland. Switzerland has no free healthcare. Insurance there is mandatory and SUPER expensive. In fact, what am I saying, EVERYTHING in Switzerland in ridiculously expensive. Even basic food and such commodities in Super-markets. It's unbelievable to be honest. Their high salaries correspond to their high living costs. Going to a restaurant is not something you can just do ovyo ovyo like in France or any other surrounding country for that matter. Even public transport is too much in Switzerland. France is great.  :D And cheap. To be fair, so are the salaries. Also, the French are taxed too much. But not like Scandinavians. I hear it's almost impossible to start a small business in Scandinavia. The taxes will kill you.

For all our admiration of European social welfare, I think they got nothing on the US in terms of entrepreneurship and individual success. In the US the government doesn;t overly tax people and I get the sense that you work hard and smart in the US, sky is the limit for you. You can go far very fast. There are pluses and negatives to everything, lets not forget.

Although Americans are  crazy, my friend told me she doesn't get paid maternity leave. They let her go home but she doesn't get paid...now that is unthinkable in Europe. And maternity leaves are much longer than just two or three months. Even in a poor country like Kenya, there's paid maternity (even paternity) leave in formal employment. Kweli tea-partiers are insane. Things like universal health care and paid maternity leave are not things anyone in their right minds would oppose in my view, it's just ideology that blinds people. Even in Kenya it's just coz we can't afford. But we would never oppose it on principle like Americans do. Crazy!
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 04, 2017, 12:12:59 AM
The Tories are having their Hilary moment. Hilary knew it was all over when minorities failed to get out to vote and she was saddled with racists.

For May, it is the Youth. They could hand her a ten point defeat if they turn out to vote. I am sure the Tories will invent good ways to suppress that vote. I am not a conspiracy theorist but I found the las manchester bombing very suspect! The boy was known, the police were told several times, he traveled to Libya and returned.

Yet when Kadame travels to Kenya, she is stripped and searched by obese women at Heathrow. He name is recorded for "further inquiries" as it is handed to Mi5, Mi6, etc. Her phone is from that day on bugged. Her emails, her social media. That gives them access to her friends (something they used to beat out of people to get) whom they begin to surveil aggressively.

Nobody even knows why the woman is being surveilled. May be she was rude to the fat women (with huge pairs of buttocks) at Heathrow? They then decided to exercise their wide ranging powers to harass her? She is NOT an Arab or a "Moslem". Önly Musalmans are subjected to this routinely and that boy was a good Muslim!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-ahead-of-conservatives-tories-ipsos-mori-poll-unadjusted-a7770651.html
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 04, 2017, 12:54:32 AM
In my mother tongue when something you were talking about gets snatched from your mouth, we liken it to something happening before the hen swallows a grain of maize.

Did I just write that? I can't believe I wrote all that (above) Hubris will celebrate if he learns I have written this...

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Police are responding to reports that a van has hit a number of pedestrians on London Bridge in central London.
Witnesses have said that armed officers are understood to be at the scene after a white van mounted the pavement before driving into people.
The Metropolitan Police say they are dealing with an incident on the bridge.
Transport for London said the bridge has been closed in both directions due to a "major police incident". Bus routes were being diverted.
BBC reporter Holly Jones, who was on the bridge at the time of the incident, said the van was driven by a man and was "probably travelling at about 50 miles an hour".
About five people were being treated for injuries after the vehicle mounted the pavement and hit them, she said.
She said the van, which was travelling from the direction of central London, headed towards the south side of the river.
London Ambulance Service tweeted: "Multiple resources attending an incident at #LondonBridge, please avoid the area".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 04, 2017, 12:20:40 PM
It's possible the terror attacks will do Corbyn in.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 04, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
It's possible the terror attacks will do Corbyn in.
That is why Tony "Weapons-Of_Mass_Destruction" Blair wants. He has already asked for a postponement so that he can seize the labor party and make a comeback

My opinion is that Teresa May sucked up bad. She will go home along with Uhuru
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 09, 2017, 12:17:39 PM
Theresa May sheds MPs... what a loser. This woman should have let the bumbling Boris Johnson lead the party.

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With all but three of the 650 seats in the House of Commons accounted for, the BBC reported that Mrs. May’s Conservatives would remain the largest party. But they were projected to win only 318 seats, down from the 331 they won in 2015, and eight seats short of a majority.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/world/europe/theresa-may-britain-election-conservatives-parliament.html?_r=0&referer=https://news.google.com/
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 12:58:48 PM
May has refused to resign. The question is how long she will manage to stay on.

My take is that her deal with the DUP may at best last year before their demands prove too much for the mainstream tories. She will get a dagger or two in her back from her colleagues in a bloody leadership challenge.

It is interesting that the tories are labelling Jeremy a "terrorist sympathiser". The terrorist attacks would traditionally "benefit" May but this time seemed to backfire spectacularly when Jeremy showed that she cut police etc in her austerity push while Home minister!

I think the UK will be going back to the polls in less than a year and May would not be leading her party. I can predict that Labor will wipe them out.

My greatest pleasure was to see Blairites lose in Labor. Had they given support to Jeremy, labor would have won a stunning victory. Sadly these bastards actually voted for May.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kichwa on June 09, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Omollo, I am sure the Democratic Party is watching Jeremy closely because 2020 is almost here. Obamacare has definitely shifted politics here too and  a younger Bernie Sanders may actually do much  better here too.


It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
Omollo, I am sure the Democratic Party is watching Jeremy closely because 2020 is almost here. Obamacare has definitely shifted politics here too and  a younger Bernie Sanders may actually do much  better here too.

The Conservatives are shocked but the Right Wing part of the Labour party led by Blairites is stunned! I think Blair will shut his mouth for the longest period - roughly a day.

There is now an open rebellion against austerity, thatcherism and Scrooge politics. Where politicians would stand up and tell people they are going to be mean and be cheered, we are seeing compassion coming in.

Jeremy Corbyn made no secret of his socialist leanings. Britain has been scrooged by successive governments including the Blair Right Wing Government. It is not a sin to pay higher taxes if you are earning a lot. We have many wealthy people questioning why they would not pay more to help the less privileged. Yet their governments are busy robbing the poor and apologizing to the rich for their taxes. When reminded that they pay zero taxes, the governments say "Right, we shall get you some compensation for the taxes you paid before you were born" Governments are so forthcoming towards the rich and corporations it has become ridiculous.

Let them pay taxes to build a clean, safe country and if they want to ship jobs to China, insist they ship their children and wives to smog filled Beijing as well. They will be back home faster than you can say "Carcinophobia "

The republicans hoped that the dems would resist the repeal. It didn't happen. I hope the actually pass it through the senate so it is no ,longer an issue. Then those who were demanding the repeal of Obamacare but not the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will have something to debate the Republicans in 2018 and 2022.


Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadudu on June 09, 2017, 04:51:34 PM
I mentioned this two weeks ago and it came to pass. :D :D :D
Btw, I do not like that woman. She wants to be Margret Thatcher 2nd.

Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 09, 2017, 08:07:47 PM
Corbyn's Labor can hardly win a majority due to siege from nationalist fringe parties in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - its former fortes. They would have to upstage the Tories in England. A tall order. This loss is more due to May's fumbling than Tory polices; she will be ousted.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans. 
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 09, 2017, 08:55:40 PM
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 08:57:14 PM
No range rover, No Jaguar. The guy rode a maxi-taxi
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
She had millions perhaps billions to spend on the campaign and launched personal attacks on Jeremy. They backfired. She released attack dogs like Boris. It didn't work.

Frankly if they hadn't turned away 18 - 24 year olds citing an old register those thousands would have made all the difference.
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: RVtitem on June 09, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
She had millions perhaps billions to spend on the campaign and launched personal attacks on Jeremy. They backfired. She released attack dogs like Boris. It didn't work.

Frankly if they hadn't turned away 18 - 24 year olds citing an old register those thousands would have made all the difference.
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.

The youth were looking forward to free college tuition. Nothing beats being debt free after college.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 09, 2017, 09:39:02 PM
The Thieves now seek to denigrate Corbin

Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Kadame5 on June 10, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
I'm very disappointed with the result. I had hoped May would not be able to continue with her hard Brexit nonsense. They humbled her but did not knock her out!  :(
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
With a DUP coalition hard Brexit is no more.

I'm very disappointed with the result. I had hoped May would not be able to continue with her hard Brexit nonsense. They humbled her but did not knock her out!  :(
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 10, 2017, 07:43:23 PM
I'm very disappointed with the result. I had hoped May would not be able to continue with her hard Brexit nonsense. They humbled her but did not knock her out!  :(

I thought Jeremy would win outright. But if you realize that they prevented close to 20K young people from voting and he missed number ten by less than 3K votes then you know rigging is not a Kenyan thing.

Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 10, 2017, 07:50:46 PM
With a DUP coalition hard Brexit is no more.
She is running in to very hard weather with her DUP crackpots.

BTW has anybody noticed how the media just turned against her like About Face? After citizens took to twitter to burn newspapers and post their videos online, the papers dropped her one by one. They realized she is sinking and they had no plans to sink with her.

I know they will return to haunt Jeremy for now, they are wounded dogs that found a cave from where they can lick each others wounds.

At this point I am not even sure she will form a working government. The DUP MPs are not keen to work with her. They can work with her successor. Parties saw the demise of Clegg and know the dangers of working against voters. I was most thrilled to hear that Clegg had lost his seat. I sure hope the secret Right Wing Blairite Whacko never re-enters politics the rest of his life. He should wait for his peerage to go and fatten himself in the House of Lords where he will fart to death.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
Another loser was Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP who lost 20+ sests in Scotland. The Scots are no longer keen on secession.
Title: Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
Post by: Omollo on June 11, 2017, 01:47:31 PM
Another loser was Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP who lost 20+ sests in Scotland. The Scots are no longer keen on secession.
Can you believe that the head of Labor in Scotland urged people to vote for the tories?

The Tories are in a hard place. Any 5 MPs can topple May anytime should she form government with her DUP crackpots. The DUP is known for being unpredictable. It will start in Northern Ireland. They will push May to make an unfair decision against the Catholics and the whole thing will begin to unravel. Either war in NI or no government in London.

The Tories know if they go to elections again in the next 6 months, Jeremy will wallop them totally.