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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:14:57 PM

Title: Chaos and Violence Mar Jubilee Primaries
Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
For a party with government machinery working for it, Jubilee is a total flop. I think the officials have all been compromised by money from candidates. I expect around seven PM to read a list of those nominated. The problem in Rift Valley is deliberate chaos.

In Central it is violence and blatant theft.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:15:32 PM
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:58:32 PM
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
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Post by: RVtitem on April 21, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
It will not be a long time before intelligence pieces evidence and put blame where it belongs: ODM moles.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:14:43 PM
It total mess. Bomet nothing has happened - with confusion after aspirant met and agreed to posphone it. Totally embarrasing.

Tuju has fucked up Jubilee nomination.

NASA may actually win this.
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
charles Keter has been executing rigging in south rift; that RK (nhif ceo who was suspended for 5b tasia scandal) is Charles Keter man.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:14:43 PM
It total mess. Bomet nothing has happened - with confusion after aspirant met and agreed to posphone it. Totally embarrasing.

Tuju has fucked up Jubilee nomination.

NASA may actually win this.
I know for true what you write. But now read this story and appreciate why I call this paper The Ethnic Rag. They are swallowing Tuju's propaganda. Postponing primaries in Bomet and allowing them to go on in Narok and Kericho is a recipe for rigging. People will be transported from those areas to vote for whoever pays. The same for Nairobi vs Kiambu, Murang'a.

On Tuju: Welcome to the problem we had with Raila's blue eyed boys in 2013. Tuju has scammed aspirants with his smartcards, set up a group to collect rigging fees from candidates and when they were caught he "fired" them but continued as if it did not happen under his watch.

He is the best man NASA could ever have in that job. Oloo is a womanizer but he works diligently.

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Jubilee nominations for Bomet County will proceed as scheduled this Friday and have not been pushed to Tuesday next week, contrary to messages doing the rounds earlier Thursday.

According to Jubilee Party National Elections Board chairman Andrew Musangi, some aspirants had announced that the nominations in Bomet had been pushed to Tuesday, but he insisted that this was not the case.

“Adequate facilitation and materials have been provided. Ignore any message to the contrary,” Mr Musangi said Friday morning.

Bomet County is among 21 regions perceived to be Jubilee strongholds where the primaries are being held this Friday.

Other counties holding their primaries this Friday are Kirinyaga, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Meru, Uasin Gishu, Baringo, Laikipia, Murang’a, Tharaka-Nithi, Kiambu, Nyandarua, Embu and Kericho.

Also on the Friday list are West Pokot, Nandi, Nakuru, Nyeri, Kajiado, Narok, Trans Nzoia and Taita-Taveta.

In Nairobi, the Jubilee nominations will be held on Monday, April 24, while another 23 counties will hold theirs on Tuesday, April 25.
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:24:42 PM
It all over - Nandi - Uasin Gishu -Tranzoia - Baringo - Bomet and Kericho - people are totally disappointed. I mean last time URP - a small party - ran good nomination - of course chirchir was leading it. This time round with 800m plus - Tuju has totally messed it up. He says without battling his eyelids that printing 50% ballot papers is good enough coz turn out is always 50% - what fool.
Quote from: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
I know for true what you write. But now read this story and appreciate why I call this paper The Ethnic Rag. They are swallowing Tuju's propaganda. Postponing primaries in Bomet and allowing them to go on in Narok and Kericho is a recipe for rigging. People will be transported from those areas to vote for whoever pays. The same for Nairobi vs Kiambu, Murang'a.

On Tuju: Welcome to the problem we had with Raila's blue eyed boys in 2013. Tuju has scammed aspirants with his smartcards, set up a group to collect rigging fees from candidates and when they were caught he "fired" them but continued as if it did not happen under his watch.

He is the best man NASA could ever have in that job. Oloo is a womanizer but he works diligently.
Title: Re: Chaos and Violence Mar Jubilee Primaries
Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
charles Keter has been executing rigging in south rift; that RK (nhif ceo who was suspended for 5b tasia scandal) is Charles Keter man.
Politicians rig or attempt to rig elections. Its part of the game.

The party must ensure that does not happen for the good of the party. ODM went down in 2013 because of Nyong'o and the blue eyed boys. Nyong'o also caused problems in 2007.

I should be celebrating but I dislike Tuju most passionately. He has no interest in anything where is not earning free money.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
Keter is ruining in Kericho while Buzeki is wrecking in Nandi. The problem is that WSR is being blamed. Whether he is behind it or not, some of the aspirants who felt he was favoring their opponents have ganged up to spread the story that he is behind it all. and it seems to be working. Here is a tweet from a guy who is usually pro-Jubilee:
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I think WSR should have listened to Biwott. Nick is a seasoned adviser who got his man to the presidency, ruled with him for 24 years before they retired. That is the measure of success. WSR should disown the Keters and others using his name.

Anyway I can't lie, it is good news for us in NASA. We just hope RV comes back home
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
It embarrasing. They had it in the bag. They only needed to pass this hurdle. But they've bottled up. This is now up for grabs. Nothing short of annulling most of these polls will redeem the party. They need to repeat the exercises at least in Rift Valley.
Quote from: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
Keter is ruining in Kericho while Buzeki is wrecking in Nandi. The problem is that WSR is being blamed. Whether he is behind it or not, some of the aspirants who felt he was favoring their opponents have ganged up to spread the story that he is behind it all. and it seems to be working. Here is a tweet from a guy who is usually pro-Jubilee:
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I think WSR should have listened to Biwott. Nick is a seasoned adviser who got his man to the presidency, ruled with him for 24 years before they retired. That is the measure of success. WSR should disown the Keters and others using his name.

Anyway I can't lie, it is good news for us in NASA. We just hope RV comes back home

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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:57:06 PM
Tuju came to loot Jubilee. He joined ODM to get to parliament and the cabinet. He then duped ODM and joined Kibaki. He could not dare step in Kisumu and therefore never once stepped home in his constituency but marketed himself as "development conscious" while painting others demanding devolution and squeezing the modernization of the airport at Kisumu etc as hating development.

He naturally joined Jubilee after trying and failing to get himself stoned in Kisumu to gain traction.

He must have made a killing. His disappointment is that he wont make a comeback to the cabinet.

Quote from: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 01:24:42 PM
It all over - Nandi - Uasin Gishu -Tranzoia - Baringo - Bomet and Kericho - people are totally disappointed. I mean last time URP - a small party - ran good nomination - of course chirchir was leading it. This time round with 800m plus - Tuju has totally messed it up. He says without battling his eyelids that printing 50% ballot papers is good enough coz turn out is always 50% - what fool.
Title: Re: Chaos and Violence Mar Jubilee Primaries
Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 02:02:39 PM
Fist fight in bomet. Tuju should be fired today
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 02:24:33 PM
Nandi county. 400k registered votes. Tuju printed 40k ballots.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 02:33:41 PM
Pundit

Mambo huko kwenu is elephant. Watu wazima feel wanachezewa kama watoto and they are not pleased:
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Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 21, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
It seems like elementary and I'll dare say normal disorganization. 
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Post by: gout on April 21, 2017, 04:52:02 PM
The quest by DP to have his compliant men under JP all over the country for 2022 battle seems can make even 2017 a tight contest. The fallouts will benefit likes of Rutto, Karua, Mutua and Munya all who are DP potential threats. This JP merger experiment could backfire. Despite IEBC insisting that party hopping they will have nothing once the fringe parties declare they had given those rigged out/dissatisfied by JP nominations certificates.

Once the 'lock in' effect that was the purpose of JP is broken this early, the knock on effects will be fluid and very volatile.
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Post by: Omollo on April 21, 2017, 05:17:48 PM
In principle if you are rigged out you may not jump to a new party. But the courts suspended the law that bars it and by the time it is reinstated, the nominations would have ended.

However should the IEBC with pressure from Jubilee and NASA (when two demons agree we are told to find God as fast as possible because lives fall at risk) it is possible to run as independents. As an independent you can decide to ally with any party.

Quote from: gout on April 21, 2017, 04:52:02 PM
The quest by DP to have his compliant men under JP all over the country for 2022 battle seems can make even 2017 a tight contest. The fallouts will benefit likes of Rutto, Karua, Mutua and Munya all who are DP potential threats. This JP merger experiment could backfire. Despite IEBC insisting that party hopping they will have nothing once the fringe parties declare they had given those rigged out/dissatisfied by JP nominations certificates.

Once the 'lock in' effect that was the purpose of JP is broken this early, the knock on effects will be fluid and very volatile.
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Post by: Nefertiti on April 21, 2017, 05:54:01 PM
We told Pundit that Kanu 2.0 is a bad idea and not just with logistical challenges that are now apparent. Arap Moi ran Kanu with an iron fist and with help of the provincial administration. Uhuruto do not have those luxuries. Expect massive defections to fringe parties and even genuine losers now have an excuse to jump ship.

Here's Pundit gloating over Jubilee's "well oiled machine"  :D :D

http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=3475.0 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=3475.0)
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 21, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
All is not lost.They just need to cancel elections in most places esp in rift valley and do a better job.
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Post by: Nefertiti on April 21, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
I find this mass failure amazing for a party with a "nerve center". Will these same guys run a "tight ship" in 4 months time?
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Post by: MOON Ki on April 21, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
Had these been ODM/CORD/NASA events, long fingers with sharp nails would be already pointing at the NIS.  But they are not, and they too are not.   So, there are only three possibilities here: (a) the NIS types mistook these for ODM/NASA/CORD events, (b) some NIS types have gone rogue, and (c) NIS is an "equal opportunity" agency and ensures that its mischief is evenly spread.    :D
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Post by: RV Pundit on April 22, 2017, 07:06:12 AM
The problem with tapping kibaki era failures like tuju,wekesa  and kiraiitu to ran jubilee. Total mess.
Title: Re: Chaos and Violence Mar Jubilee Primaries
Post by: Omollo on April 22, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: MOON Ki on April 21, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
Had these been ODM/CORD/NASA events, long fingers with sharp nails would be already pointing at the NIS.  But they are not, and they too are not.   So, there are only three possibilities here: (a) the NIS types mistook these for ODM/NASA/CORD events, (b) some NIS types have gone rogue, and (c) NIS is an "equal opportunity" agency and ensures that its mischief is evenly spread.    :D
The reasons why the NIS is not mentioned is simple: They cannot sabotage the elections of the party the are out to support.

Again it is upto Jubilee people to identify who is responsible for the chaos. Mandago thinks it is William Ruto and his rigging schemes. A Jubilee MP in Kajiado has pointed a long finger with very sharp nails at ODM and Raila. H e is so far alone.

Most people point at ineptitude and greed. From the JP office where kickbacks were arranged to the printers and transporters who thought the officials' cut ate in to their own working capital.

Uhuru held a press conference at State House accompanied by Jubilee Party Officials Raphael Tuju and William Ruto - the two people blamed for the fiasco. The task of reorganizing the primaries was handed to William Ruto! He will work hand in glove with Raphael Tuju!

So let's see how this rolls out.

Just as a precaution, Uhuru summoned the IEBC chair and asked him to extend the deadlines to accommodate Jubilee's challenges. The IEBC promptly sent out a call for a meeting scheduled for Sunday at 10. We all know the minutes in advance!
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