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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 12:57:53 PM

Title: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
This is the outfit that we are being told will beat CORD with 60%. The police in Kikuyu areas have no teargas!!!
Nakuru
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Chaos have rocked Jubilee Party elections for interim officials in Nakuru and Embu counties.

Former Nakuru Town MP David Manyara was elected Nakuru County's Jubilee Party chairman amid protests over the elections of grassroots officials.

Police on Tuesday used tear gas to disperse party supporters who clashed over the polls.

Chaos erupted at the former TNA offices in Milimani Estate in Nakuru town where the elections of representatives for various constituencies was scheduled to take place.

The protesters arrived at the venue chanting slogans against county presidential campaign coordinator Susan Kihika before anti-riot police officers intervened.

The crowd stormed the entrance seeking to disrupt the meeting that was being chaired by Veronicah Maina.

The aggrieved delegates wanted to stop the elections, claiming Ms Kihika, who is also the Nakuru County Assembly Speaker, had a list of her preferred officials ahead of the polls.

The elections were eventually held, with Mr Manyara being picked as county party chairman.
Embu
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In Embu, chaos erupted at Kangaru School, the venue for the county Jubilee grassroots leaders' elections, after various elected leaders and aspirants disagreed over the mode of election.

Trouble started after Senator Lenny Kivuti pointed out that some of the aspirants for various seats who had paid their subscription fees and registered with the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission had been locked out of the venue.

He had suggested that Governor Martin Wambora and the six MPs from the county pick one of the 19 officials each while elected MCAs appoint six and the various aspirants elect the remaining six officials respectively.

“There are a lot of people who are paid-up aspirants who were locked outside the hall. It is only fair if they were allowed to come in,” proposed Mr Kivuti.

There was a heated exchange of words and a near fist fight between supporters of Runyenjes MP Cecily Mbarire, Mr Kivuti, Mr Wambora, and Mr Kithinji Kiragu.

Also present was Woman Representative Rose Mitaru, Deputy Governor Dorothy Nditi, Manyatta MP John Muchiri and his Mbeere North counterpart Muriuki Njagagua.

Polls coordinator Abraham Limo had proposed that the four constituencies share the slots, with Manyatta, Runyenjes and Mbeere South getting five each, while Mbeere North would get the remaining four.

When Mr Kivuti stood to second the proposal, he said they had earlier agreed that seven of the 19 posts be shared among the governor and the six MPs, while the elected MCAs would get six and the remainder would go to the aspirants.

His suggestion was met by a round of booing, while various delegates locked inside a hall engaged in fist fights, which were quelled by anti-riot police.

About 500 people were locked out of the hall
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 14, 2016, 07:11:13 PM
They could make the argument that it's because the stakes are so high.   Because they are the only party that matters in those regions.  You will not find violence marring Safina elections of party of officials for comparison.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
The Compliant Media then IGNORES that violence and the chaos. If it were CORD or ODM for that matter, Njamlik would be having multiple orgasms as he posts and reposts; The Nation (The ethnic rag) would be all over the place with editorials
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
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Kapsaret MP Oscar Sudi (centre facing camera) tries to separate fighting delegates during the Jubilee Party elections for Uasin Gishu County to elect interim officials held at Boma Inn Hotel in Eldoret town on December 14, 2016. PHOTO | JARED NYATAYA | NATION MEDIA GROUP
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
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ubilee Party delegates in Laikipia fight before the exercise aborted on December 14, 2016 after delegates failed to agree on nominees. PHOTO | MUCHIRI KITONGA | NATION MEDIA GROUP
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
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Mombasa Jubilee Party supporters clash during the party's elections at the Kenya School of Government December 14, 2016. PHOTO | WACHIRA MWANGI | NATION MEDIA GROUP
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 08:16:51 PM
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Former TNA Secretary-General Onyango Oloo is whisked away from rowdy Jubilee Party supporters at Kenya School of Government in Mombasa on December 14, 2016. PHOTO | WACHIRA MWANGI | NATION MEDIA GROUP
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 14, 2016, 08:18:27 PM
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'Jubilee supporters' camp outside a Kitui Hotel where the party’s elections were conducted on December 14, 2016. The irate group almost disrupted the exercise after attempting to force their entry into the venue demanding to take part in the exercise. PHOTO | THOMAS WAITA | NATION MEDIA GROUP
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Nefertiti on December 14, 2016, 09:22:24 PM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Empedocles on December 14, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

It worked with NARC in 2002, with PNU in 2007, and with Jubilee in 2013. The anti-defection clause was conceived to tame the little uns, not the powers-that-be who don't see the act as affecting them in the slightest.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Nefertiti on December 14, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

It worked with NARC in 2002, with PNU in 2007, and with Jubilee in 2013. The anti-defection clause was conceived to tame the little uns, not the powers-that-be who don't see the act as affecting them in the slightest.

I am amazed you can compare NARC and PNU to Jubilee. My point is the effect a fallout can cause with no outlet thanks to anti-defection clause. You bungle the primaries and supporters sit out the elections.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Achiek tho on December 15, 2016, 06:58:52 AM
MEANWHILE the opposition is finally putting it's act together...it took 2007 for Kalonzo, 2013 Mudavadi for them to know what burukenge is capable of
Super alliance in show of force, declare President Uhuru must go home in 2017 poll We shall sacrifice our own ambitions to send this corrupt government home, kenyans are tired...said 3 opposition candidates
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000226728/super-alliance-in-show-of-force-declare-uhuruto-must-go-home-in-2017

Why are Jubilee members looking so sad in those press conference? swali tu..duale and shebesh look like they wanna cry, what not going on???
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: hk on December 15, 2016, 07:48:01 AM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

It worked with NARC in 2002, with PNU in 2007, and with Jubilee in 2013. The anti-defection clause was conceived to tame the little uns, not the powers-that-be who don't see the act as affecting them in the slightest.

I am amazed you can compare NARC and PNU to Jubilee. My point is the effect a fallout can cause with no outlet thanks to anti-defection clause. You bungle the primaries and supporters sit out the elections.

But this were not party primaries, they were party officials elections. Any candidate who's not comfortable with the elected party officials in their counties or constituency will opt not to go through jubilee primaries and either run as independent or jubilee friendly parties e.g DP, pnu etc.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Empedocles on December 15, 2016, 08:09:29 AM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

It worked with NARC in 2002, with PNU in 2007, and with Jubilee in 2013. The anti-defection clause was conceived to tame the little uns, not the powers-that-be who don't see the act as affecting them in the slightest.

I am amazed you can compare NARC and PNU to Jubilee. My point is the effect a fallout can cause with no outlet thanks to anti-defection clause. You bungle the primaries and supporters sit out the elections.


A game of musical chairs does not mean the current party of convenience is falling apart. In case people forget, alliances, since 2002, have always had unsatisfied losers. Make enough noise and you chances of being placated with guarantees of government positions / tenders after the elections soar.

What we're witnessing is typical Kenyan political "negotiations", for even the losers, at the end of the day, know which side of the bread is buttered. These fiascos have nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with being of the food chain.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 15, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
Robina

It would look like you disagree with my stance on the Ethnic Rag. There was a time when it was a dependable newspaper. NOT anymore.
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.


Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 15, 2016, 05:57:03 PM
Totally shambolic. Even NTV and vernacular stations show the news correctly. I don't know why you think they are so biased. Google "Jubilee elections chaos" and see what media shows up first, including the 'ethnic rag'.

It is great news so that disgruntled folks can join fringe parties - PNU, DP, etc. A mammoth outfit hurriedly and crudely crafted with threats and bribes will cause disappointed voters to stay away especially with the anti-defection clause imposed by UhuRuto in the Elections Act.

CORD/NASA or whatever should simply stick to coalition and possibly zone the map. Some MP seats will be lost but the presidential ticket benefits.

It worked with NARC in 2002, with PNU in 2007, and with Jubilee in 2013. The anti-defection clause was conceived to tame the little uns, not the powers-that-be who don't see the act as affecting them in the slightest.

I am amazed you can compare NARC and PNU to Jubilee. My point is the effect a fallout can cause with no outlet thanks to anti-defection clause. You bungle the primaries and supporters sit out the elections.


A game of musical chairs does not mean the current party of convenience is falling apart. In case people forget, alliances, since 2002, have always had unsatisfied losers. Make enough noise and you chances of being placated with guarantees of government positions / tenders after the elections soar.

What we're witnessing is typical Kenyan political "negotiations", for even the losers, at the end of the day, know which side of the bread is buttered. These fiascos have nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with being of the food chain.

Exactly.  This is not a jubilant monopoly.  In fact, as ironic as it sounds, violence during elections is a sign of good health for a Kenyan party.
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Omollo on December 15, 2016, 07:04:13 PM
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: Empedocles on December 15, 2016, 09:43:18 PM

You think this bad? Wait until 2017 when the MCA's start to seriously mangle each other campaign countrywide.

On an aside, I'm not supporting Jubilee's understanding of "Come now, and let us reason together" but I fail to see the difference between what's going on here and the infamous Men-In-Black of ODM, lest we forget:


Care to explain?
Title: Re: Chaos Rock Nakuru, Embu Jubilee elections
Post by: MOON Ki on December 15, 2016, 10:41:59 PM
On an aside, I'm not supporting Jubilee's understanding of "Come now, and let us reason together" but I fail to see the difference between what's going on here and the infamous Men-In-Black of ODM, lest we forget:

These are "internal family matters".  After the dusts settles, it will be the usual "our man and our people against them".   Whether it is RV or Central, no amount of local unhappiness is going to translate into votes for the other side.   So  I don't understand the glee from Omollo & Friends.

Even before MIB, ODM and friends were associated with all sorts of hooliganism and electoral mischief (rigged primaries).  Violence too has been deemed acceptable, as long as it targeted those that Raila doesn't care for.  On that, I think one of Raila's biggest mistakes---and serious short sightedness---has been a failure to forcefully speak out against such violence and, in general, to clearly lay out a genuinely democratic path for his CORD coalition. Raila has become a fellow who cares for rules and proper behaviour only when it suits him; in  the long run, that won't do. 

As regards the notion that Jubilee is headed for some sort of internal collapse or will have to deal with vote apathy or rebellion, that strikes me as odd fantasy.  Not something on which I would place a huge bet.   What CORD should be doing is applying lessons from 2013.      But that is exactly what they are not doing.   Serious grassroots organization is dull and hard work, but it is necessary.    That would deliver much more that the huge rallies of idle manambas, "alliance" talk (last time this went on until the very last minute), an excessive focus on IEBC, etc.   (Elsewhere, Terminator has remarked on the need to reform systems without just the next election in mind.)