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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on August 17, 2016, 09:42:23 AM
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Except that we have to send innocent commissioners home with 200M golden handshake and replace them with exactly another crop of kenyans.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/New-polls-team-to-be-in-office-by-end-of-September/1064-3347260-a7m1p/index.html
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Let's be concrete and factual. What is it that CORD wanted and did not achieve?
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I am underwhelmed considering the destruction & death occasioned by those demos. Basically nothing has changed. The same process for hiring IEBC is being used here. The previous IEBC are going home with 200M cheques having been found suitable.In any case they were retiring and Jubilee knew they had to be out ...considering they couldn't conduct a run-off incase of one.
I was hoping for more - maybe we will get details - about how exactly CORD hope to stop rigging! Polling station final declaration?
Let's be concrete and factual. What is it that CORD wanted and did not achieve?
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So let's talk when you know more about the final pact between CORD and Jubilee and even more when the amendments to laws and the Constitution have been enacted.
I can however add that how many people died trying to get rid of the one party state and usher in multiparty politics? How many people died in Matiba's Moi Must Go rallies? How many did Kibaki kill in 2007 - 2008. If you are calculating the costs versus the benefits in terms of loss of life, I guess one person dead is too many for any cause.
CORD first and foremost wanted the Reform of the IEBC. We have achieved that with a raft of common sense changes and highlighting of existing ones that had been ignored. We have got specific stipulations in law which make it easier to conduct much fairer elections and adjudicate issues arising faster unlike in the past. The changes will provide a firm legal basis for intervention in event of Jubilee disputing its loss in the next elections.
Considering Jubilee and the IEBC swore that they would not budge, the mere fact that they sat down is already a victory. I need not repost the video of Isaak Hassan chest thumping in a Kimunyan manner that "I will NEVER resign" to prove what a Damascus this has been to him. But the greatest loser in all this is your man Ruto who for years opposed any dialogue between Jubilee and CORD. He ate humble pie as diplomats reminded Uhuru that it was NOT Uhuruto Regime but Uhuru Regime and he dealt. You being his supporter I can naturally understand the need to denigrate the achievements - even before you know what they are!!
Yes, results will be announced at polling stations. There are more instances and levels of tallying ruling out the idea of a commissioner calling a polling station in Kakamega to give her the figures to insert as Khalwale testified.
The most important is the stipulation that gives the electronic voting more teeth.
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Well read it and then we can discus who failed / lost. Fair elections is not the responsibility of CORD or Raila alone. All Kenyans have an obligation to ensure the success of elections with the real winners declared and above all the losers accepting defeat having SEEN that they lost.
I am underwhelmed considering the destruction & death occasioned by those demos. Basically nothing has changed. The same process for hiring IEBC is being used here. The previous IEBC are going home with 200M cheques having been found suitable.In any case they were retiring and Jubilee knew they had to be out ...considering they couldn't conduct a run-off incase of one.
I was hoping for more - maybe we will get details - about how exactly CORD hope to stop rigging! Polling station final declaration?
Let's be concrete and factual. What is it that CORD wanted and did not achieve?
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Great, now when CORD get beaten in 2017, please remember this great victory of today ! I was thinking CORD had some endgame to this; but seem they didn't and they go to 2017 expecting a drubbing of about 60%!
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Thanks Simanova for pointing out the obvious. Next stop should be at supreme court where the mortician Githu mungai is determined to play some monkey business to have a Jubilee friendly CJ. In my opinion the whole supreme court should and must be reconstituted.
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Sorry, CORD was NOT after nusu Mkate and had no other motives contrary to what William Ruto trampled the country preaching to deaf hearers. It was about the IEBC and fair elections as we said from the beginning.
As for Jubilee getting 60% I think you need to curb your enthusiasm:
1. Charles Nyachae and Onyonka were kicked out of a funeral by angry crowds and Obure made to sneak out. Kisii is out of bounds for Jubilee. You need it to make 40%
2. Ababu is neutralized and is a parody of damaged opera puppet. He recently held what he told his backers would be the mother of all rallies in Kilifi. Try as the media could, they could not avoid showing the empty chairs. Otuoma reneged on his departure and has denied leaving. In short Ababu is contained. Busia remains solidly CORD
3. Eunice has fled to Nairobi. Nothing to write about. You seem to think he will win over there: I know he couldn't become an MCA in his home area. Let's see who takes the Jubilee ticket in Nairobi between Sonko, Eunice, Wanjiru, etc
4. Did Uhuru get booed somewhere recently and the whole thing hushed up?
Please prepare for a long stay in opposition.
Great, now when CORD get beaten in 2017, please remember this great victory of today ! I was thinking CORD had some endgame to this; but seem they didn't and they go to 2017 expecting a drubbing of about 60%!
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RV-Pundit, I am shocked that you have reduced this into a Football game. "my team beat your team in 2013 and will beat your team again in 2017". Raila's achievements in democratizing Kenya when soberly analyzed are quiet monumental and the current reformation of IEBC is just one of them in a long tradition. 1)presidential term limits 2) multi-party 3) new Katiba 4)devolution and now 5) the reform of IEBC-just to mention a few.
Great, now when CORD get beaten in 2017, please remember this great victory of today ! I was thinking CORD had some endgame to this; but seem they didn't and they go to 2017 expecting a drubbing of about 60%!
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Isaack Hassan swore that he will never resign. Well I wonder if he will now "retire"
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Isaac is being paid all the money and dues till 2017 nov.I don't know what he has "LOST". The guy is working out of this with clean record and lots of money. They are going to beg him to leave. Maybe we have different criteria for failure.I see CORD here being the biggest failure. Just like with OKOA. They hadn't thought through this. They were just keeping themselves busy. There was no end-game. Just lots of drama. Nothing fundamental.
In fact the way I see...Jubilee now as monolithic KANU like party...just sneaked in their agenda in this agenda less CORD talks....and will make it hard for defectors to move around. CORD have accepted this...despite not being a party and having all these many affliates.... senility has set in on Raila and like Moi...he need to bow out.
The fact that talks were concluded in lightening speed without as much controversty tells you that CORD brought underwhelming demands.
And this after all investment in OKOA and DEMOS. If CORD get beaten by 60% next year; they should consider themselves very lucky. My rough MOAS is swinging to 65%.
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You can attribute the sun shinning to Raila for all I care. Clearly Raila didn't do all that. Many kenyans are in the continous struggle to make Kenya a better place. From all sides.
RV-Pundit, I am shocked that you have reduced this into a Football game. "my team beat your team in 2013 and will beat your team again in 2017". Raila's achievements in democratizing Kenya when soberly analyzed are quiet monumental and the current reformation of IEBC is just one of them in a long tradition. 1)presidential term limits 2) multi-party 3) new Katiba 4)devolution and now 5) the reform of IEBC-just to mention a few.
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why do they even bother with elections ? seriously just use some tic tac toe algorithm and determine the winner.. which will be rigged in favor of Uhuruto anyway.
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Good thing is they got rid of them though... probably pressure from USA, that's progress. Next step I suppose is consensus/consultation on how they pick the next crop. IEBC should equally represent each faction ie. govt side vs opposition.
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And you can dump on him for all I care. I do not believe presidency is the only yard stick for success in this world. Even Idi Amin was president-just to mention a few.
You can attribute the sun shinning to Raila for all I care. Clearly Raila didn't do all that. Many kenyans are in the continous struggle to make Kenya a better place. From all sides.
RV-Pundit, I am shocked that you have reduced this into a Football game. "my team beat your team in 2013 and will beat your team again in 2017". Raila's achievements in democratizing Kenya when soberly analyzed are quiet monumental and the current reformation of IEBC is just one of them in a long tradition. 1)presidential term limits 2) multi-party 3) new Katiba 4)devolution and now 5) the reform of IEBC-just to mention a few.
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Except that we have to send innocent commissioners home with 200M golden handshake and replace them with exactly another crop of kenyans.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/New-polls-team-to-be-in-office-by-end-of-September/1064-3347260-a7m1p/index.html
Nothing changes. EACC has gone thru the same since inception. Millions lost when contracts are broken.
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Could you list the underwhelming demands and contrast them against what CORD initially demanded. Id you can't do that then you are either spinning to assuage Ruto's ulcers or never understood what it was all about from the very beginning and are now just learning that you believed propaganda.
At no time did CORD want anymore than changes to the IEBC that would see free and fair elections. CORD never sought advantages for itself and certainly not for any other party.
Ruto went around claiming that Raila wanted to take away his (Ruto's) Nusu Mkate (which has turned in to Robo Mkate anyway).
I see you are shocked that CORD agreed to lock out defectors. Perhaps CORD knows its the Jubilee MPs who will throw it out of parliament and deny Jubilee the opportunity. Why should CORD stand in the way of a burning Jubilee.
Isaac is being paid all the money and dues till 2017 nov.I don't know what he has "LOST". The guy is working out of this with clean record and lots of money. They are going to beg him to leave. Maybe we have different criteria for failure.I see CORD here being the biggest failure. Just like with OKOA. They hadn't thought through this. They were just keeping themselves busy. There was no end-game. Just lots of drama. Nothing fundamental.
In fact the way I see...Jubilee now as monolithic KANU like party...just sneaked in their agenda in this agenda less CORD talks....and will make it hard for defectors to move around. CORD have accepted this...despite not being a party and having all these many affliates.... senility has set in on Raila and like Moi...he need to bow out.
The fact that talks were concluded in lightening speed without as much controversty tells you that CORD brought underwhelming demands.
And this after all investment in OKOA and DEMOS. If CORD get beaten by 60% next year; they should consider themselves very lucky. My rough MOAS is swinging to 65%.
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I read somewhere Mbadi (ODM chair) and Nyanza Mps are livid of the "deal". They want a fresh register. I see that results will be transmitted live from polling station ( Wasn't this already done?). The only real change that I'm seeing here is that 14 day part list to IEBC that would prevent party hopping.
Could you list the underwhelming demands and contrast them against what CORD initially demanded. Id you can't do that then you are either spinning to assuage Ruto's ulcers or never understood what it was all about from the very beginning and are now just learning that you believed propaganda.
At no time did CORD want anymore than changes to the IEBC that would see free and fair elections. CORD never sought advantages for itself and certainly not for any other party.
Ruto went around claiming that Raila wanted to take away his (Ruto's) Nusu Mkate (which has turned in to Robo Mkate anyway).
I see you are shocked that CORD agreed to lock out defectors. Perhaps CORD knows its the Jubilee MPs who will throw it out of parliament and deny Jubilee the opportunity. Why should CORD stand in the way of a burning Jubilee.
Isaac is being paid all the money and dues till 2017 nov.I don't know what he has "LOST". The guy is working out of this with clean record and lots of money. They are going to beg him to leave. Maybe we have different criteria for failure.I see CORD here being the biggest failure. Just like with OKOA. They hadn't thought through this. They were just keeping themselves busy. There was no end-game. Just lots of drama. Nothing fundamental.
In fact the way I see...Jubilee now as monolithic KANU like party...just sneaked in their agenda in this agenda less CORD talks....and will make it hard for defectors to move around. CORD have accepted this...despite not being a party and having all these many affliates.... senility has set in on Raila and like Moi...he need to bow out.
The fact that talks were concluded in lightening speed without as much controversty tells you that CORD brought underwhelming demands.
And this after all investment in OKOA and DEMOS. If CORD get beaten by 60% next year; they should consider themselves very lucky. My rough MOAS is swinging to 65%.
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I guess I will just have to post the entire deal so you don't speculate.
Of course we did not get an ideal situation. Like the IPPG, these are minimum reforms. The real reforms will come when we have power and set up a really independent IEBC.
1. We shall merge the Registration of persons, Passport office, Driving License issuer and the Voter register (Proper titles not used)
2. We shall allow the IEBC to issue own ID cards which will be as good as National ID
3. Private firms (especially banks)which can issue electronic / digital IDs for use in banks could also be used
These are among the proposals not feasible now but will be when we launch a proper digital revolution in Kenya not a PR digital campaign.
I read somewhere Mbadi (ODM chair) and Nyanza Mps are livid of the "deal". They want a fresh register. I see that results will be transmitted live from polling station ( Wasn't this already done?). The only real change that I'm seeing here is that 14 day part list to IEBC that would prevent party hopping.
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Raila is a bad negotiator. The endgame of all the demos was just getting a dialogue. This is now very clear. I see CORD appendix (civil society) are also crying foul. I ask one again - what was the endgame? I don't see any change! Some a reputable firm will clean the register - big deal - I think the register is pretty clean.
The biggest winner here are Jubilee and Kenyans..IEBC after CORD endless throwing of mud and chickengate were damaged goods and needed to go..and this talks may give us the same body with confidence of everyone..CORD cannot cry foul when they get a drubbing of their life next year.
Those like me that believe IEBC didn't rig the last election couldn't be any happier.
I guess I will just have to post the entire deal so you don't speculate.
Of course we did not get an ideal situation. Like the IPPG, these are minimum reforms. The real reforms will come when we have power and set up a really independent IEBC.
1. We shall merge the Registration of persons, Passport office, Driving License issuer and the Voter register (Proper titles not used)
2. We shall allow the IEBC to issue own ID cards which will be as good as National ID
3. Private firms (especially banks)which can issue electronic / digital IDs for use in banks could also be used
These are among the proposals not feasible now but will be when we launch a proper digital revolution in Kenya not a PR digital campaign.
I read somewhere Mbadi (ODM chair) and Nyanza Mps are livid of the "deal". They want a fresh register. I see that results will be transmitted live from polling station ( Wasn't this already done?). The only real change that I'm seeing here is that 14 day part list to IEBC that would prevent party hopping.
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I am still waiting for a clear statement of what CORD demanded and what has been achieved. Then we can debate whether it has been a failure or success. You have chosen to nitpick based on media spin.
You now denigrate the departure of the commissioners yet Ruto was among those who stated that the commissioners will never go. Ruto had no problem with internationally named criminals running the IEBC.
FYI we are lobbying the UK government to issue warrants of arrest for Isaack Hassan and others named in the scandal. That is after Uhuru intervened to have him "cleared" by the EACC.
The IEBC rigged the 2013 election.
Raila is a bad negotiator. The endgame of all the demos was just getting a dialogue. This is now very clear. I see CORD appendix (civil society) are also crying foul. I ask one again - what was the endgame? I don't see any change! Some a reputable firm will clean the register - big deal - I think the register is pretty clean.
The biggest winner here are Jubilee and Kenyans..IEBC after CORD endless throwing of mud and chickengate were damaged goods and needed to go..and this talks may give us the same body with confidence of everyone..CORD cannot cry foul when they get a drubbing of their life next year.
Those like me that believe IEBC didn't rig the last election couldn't be any happier.
I guess I will just have to post the entire deal so you don't speculate.
Of course we did not get an ideal situation. Like the IPPG, these are minimum reforms. The real reforms will come when we have power and set up a really independent IEBC.
1. We shall merge the Registration of persons, Passport office, Driving License issuer and the Voter register (Proper titles not used)
2. We shall allow the IEBC to issue own ID cards which will be as good as National ID
3. Private firms (especially banks)which can issue electronic / digital IDs for use in banks could also be used
These are among the proposals not feasible now but will be when we launch a proper digital revolution in Kenya not a PR digital campaign.
I read somewhere Mbadi (ODM chair) and Nyanza Mps are livid of the "deal". They want a fresh register. I see that results will be transmitted live from polling station ( Wasn't this already done?). The only real change that I'm seeing here is that 14 day part list to IEBC that would prevent party hopping.
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IEBC commisioners were Raila and Kibaki poddles. Now that they are gone - UhuRuto finally get a level playing ground. Raila basically owned half the IEBC including the secretariat and participated in procuring those kits. He had it all. Now he is going from the frying pan direct to the fire.Jubilee knows no Raila dude can sneak in because Jubilee parliament will have to pass the names with NSIS working to dig any dirt :D :D :D
Raila is not capable of high octane stuff (that is why Ruto left the kitendawili dude)-- this capitulation is akin to Naivasha constitution review - where Raila turned round and become the originator of the "presidential' system :) :) just to save face after UhuRuto did a number on him. Didn't take long before he shouted "OKOA mimi"! - Change the constitution :) :) that the "katiba champion" as Kichwa said had just passed in 2010.
The biggest threat for UhuRuto going to 2017 - was LEGITIMACY of the election body - after CORD relentless baseless campaign against the IEBC -- they had to go and now they've gone in a bipartisan way. What more gift does Uhuru wants - except to knock it by 60% with "CORD" -Jubilee IEBC and supreme court endorsing it.
If Raila had some engame - he would have denied what Jubilee want - legitimacy! He would have muddied the water so bad so he can shout rigging next time and maybe get another NARA. Now like in 2013 - he has straight jacketed himself and allowed Jubilee to appoint brand new IEBC. He has "won" :) :) again with dialogue :).
I can count how many times in the last few years where Raila doesn't see the endgame -- NARA negotiation - Waki commission -Constitution etc. He just see the immediate moves. He has no endgame.
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Those are old and tired Jubilee talking points. We have had Supreme Court Judges in the US who were appointed by Liberal Presidents turn in to Conservative Hacks loved by the Right Wing Whackos. The fact that Raila appointed commissioners and therefore he owns them and they should have handed him the election is frankly speaking a very primitive argument not worthy of you.
Like it has been stated before, Raila did not appoint his commissioners and we hope Uhuru does not begin to look for his personal advocate like Kibaki did with Kihara Muttu (RIH) May He Rot in Hell). These are public servants from who efficiency and impartiality is expected. They failed and we know why.
They were already corrupt when Uhuru bribed them heavily to tilt the election in his favor. They took certain decisions that allowed Uhuru to steal the elections. Such things like sharing ONE SERVER with Uhuru's party can only be overlooked by you.
We know about meetings held with Gen Karangi and the threats made to journalists and TVs not to broadcast the real results until they were doctored. Raila had no say in what the corrupt or Threatened did.
But keep your eyes open this time.
IEBC commisioners were Raila and Kibaki poddles. Now that they are gone - UhuRuto finally get a level playing ground. Raila basically owned half the IEBC including the secretariat and participated in procuring those kits. He had it all. Now he is going from the frying pan direct to the fire.Jubilee knows no Raila dude can sneak in because Jubilee parliament will have to pass the names with NSIS working to dig any dirt :D :D :D
Raila is not capable of high octane stuff (that is way Ruto left the kitendawili dude)-- this capitulation is akin to Naivasha constitution review - where Raila turned round and become the originator of the "presidential' system :) :) just to save face after UhuRuto did a number on him. Didn't take long before he shouted "OKOA mimi"! - Change the constitution :) :) that the "katiba champion" as Kichwa said had just passed in 2010.
The biggest threat for UhuRuto going to 2017 - was LEGITIMACY of the election body - after CORD relentless baseless campaign against the IEBC -- they had to go and now they've gone in a bipartisan way. What more gift does Uhuru wants - except to knock it by 60% with CORD IEBC and supreme court endorsing it.
If Raila had some engame - he would have denied what Jubilee want - legitimacy! He would have muddied the water so bad so he can shout rigging next time and maybe get another NARA. Now like in 2013 - he has straight jacketed himself and allowed Jubilee to appoint brand new IEBC. He has "won" :) :) again with dialogue :).
I can count how many times in the last few years where Raila doesn't see the endgame -- NARA negotiation - Waki commission -Constitution etc. He just see the immediate moves. He has no endgame.
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Hope spring eternal. Kibaki was basically a good ajua player. UhuRuto are excellent chess players. Ask the ICC. Raila's Caroli Omondi sat in the panel that interviewed IEBC commisioners, his man from Siaya Oswago was in there as the CEO -the main guy, and he had frenchies & canadanians - selling us those damn kits that failed. Mutunga and supreme court judges were his people - he stoned walled Kibaki appointment. He had parliament and the speaker.
Now he has nothing. He is coming with clean pair of hands. Hoping Jubilee duo will play with clean hands and hand him turkana oil, SGR and all the billions :)
Hii ujinga ni high class. I am increasingly looking at 65% drubbing.
Take it from me..NO RAILA poddle will be in IEBC. They are either going to be neutral or jubilee leaning. Gen Waweru's NSIS & Duale will handle the details.
Those are old and tired Jubilee talking points. We have had Supreme Court Judges in the US who were appointed by Liberal Presidents turn in to Conservative Hacks loved by the Right Wing Whackos. The fact that Raila appointed commissioners and therefore he owns them and they should have handed him the election is frankly speaking a very primitive argument not worthy of you.
Like it has been stated before, Raila did not appoint his commissioners and we hope Uhuru does not begin to look for his personal advocate like Kibaki did with Kihara Muttu (RIH) May He Rot in Hell). These are public servants from who efficiency and impartiality is expected. They failed and we know why.
They were already corrupt when Uhuru bribed them heavily to tilt the election in his favor. They took certain decisions that allowed Uhuru to steal the elections. Such things like sharing ONE SERVER with Uhuru's party can only be overlooked by you.
We know about meetings held with Gen Karangi and the threats made to journalists and TVs not to broadcast the real results until they were doctored. Raila had no say in what the corrupt or Threatened did.
But keep your eyes open this time.
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What you are accusing Raila and CORD is naivete. I am saying it is not naivete but a belief in certain core principals.
Now allow me to let you in on a secret: That naivete is GONE for good. You rig you suffer for it. You want war you will get it. There will be no spectators listening to and watching sponsored "Accept and Move On" crap or "Uwiyano" with bad swahili spelling. If Uhuru wants to rig elections he better have the stomach for it because we are ready Pundit.
But we are sure that won't happen. We have put in place mechanisms to tame that. We have so much goodwill even from Uhuru's own people who continue to bank roll many of our activities on the ground we are shocked (especially Omollo).
Its the money that will win or lose this election Pundit. We have our eyes on the Eurobond. If that comes in and we don't stop it we are done. When you meet Ruto tell him we know they have not started using the Eurobond.
Hope spring eternal. Kibaki was basically a good ajua player. UhuRuto are excellent chess players. Ask the ICC. Raila's Caroli Omondi sat in the panel that interviewed IEBC commisioners, his man from Siaya Oswago was in there as the CEO -the main guy, and he had frenchies & canadanians - selling us those damn kits that failed. Mutunga and supreme court judges were his people - he stoned walled Kibaki appointment. He had parliament and the speaker.
Now he has nothing. He is coming with clean pair of hands. Hoping Jubilee duo will play with clean hands and hand him turkana oil, SGR and all the billions :)
Hii ujinga ni high class. I am increasingly looking at 65% drubbing.
Take it from me..NO RAILA poddle will be in IEBC. They are either going to be neutral or jubilee leaning. Gen Waweru's NSIS & Duale will handle the details.
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SENATOR JAMES ORENGO
NAIROBI, 20TH AUGUST 2016
PATHWAY TO VICTORY
There has been some criticism of the Report and the Draft Bills agreed upon by the Joint Parliamentary Select Committee on matters relating to IEBC. I may not have written this piece if this was just normal political banter. Nay, even if it was genuine criticism and debate in the absurd theatre of political posturing and scoring wrestling points, I would have still kept my silence. In my world I have learned to live with charlatans, cynics and pedagogues in all shapes and forms. But this is serious business.
The world’s most quoted author, William Shakespeare, in Henry the Sixth, through the character named Dick, says, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”. The morbid but memorable line would apply in equal measure to critics and politicians. Paul Barry a professional actor who has directed many Shakespearean plays, in an article, “Let’s Kill all the Critics” says “asking an actor and director to write about critics is like asking mongoose to discourse in the subject of cobras?” Politicians often say a goat can never accede to the jurisdiction of a court presided by hyenas.
And so, with great respect, I question the uninformed rhetoric and statements of many who jumped into the judgement throne to determine who takes the baby without having the wisdom of King Solomon. Like Samson and Delilah they want to bring the temple down so all die. That is the demagoguery that has seen elections stolen and rigged in Kenya in 2007 and 2013 because the sovereign power of the people, on those two occasions has been appropriated by absolutely reactionary forces. Institutions and systems matter. Values even more.
In 1997 Moi acceded to the demands of the opposition and had eleven commissioners nominated by DP, FORD-K, FORD-Asili and KSC to the Electoral Commission. This was heralded as the hallmark of the IPPG. Moi still won. Under the National Accord and the Constitution of Kenya 2010, ODM/CORD had more than six commissioners and the CEO in its bag. Elections were still rigged in 2013. Despite a new set of commissioners, a progressive constitution and, to wit, an acclaimed Supreme Court, the elections and the judicial determination of its results were seen not to be fair.
The approach the CORD team had in the negotiations during the proceedings of the committee were under the mantra and refrain, IT IS THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM STUPID. If you see only the elephant’s tail for the giant mammal you are blind. CORD’s pathway to electoral victory has been safeguarded now and protected by a revolutionary change of the election laws that constitutes both a quantitative and qualitative leap in the electoral system.
The first principle is the use of technology and clause 17 of the Election Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2016 provides that – “there is established an integrated electronic electoral system that enables biometric voter registration, electronic voter identification and electronic transmission of results”. This system is defined in clause 2 of the Bill. In order to vote a person needs more than just having his/her name in the register. Eligibility to vote will now require one’s biometric data to be in the register which data includes unique identifiers or attributes, including fingerprints, hand geometry, earlobe geometry, retina and iris patterns, voice waves, DNA and signatures.
The definition of the register does not include the words “principal register” but the words “register of voters”, which register shall be maintained in a public web portal for inspection by members of the public. One single register. No black book. No green book.
The Bill makes mandatory provisions for the verification of biometric data at polling stations before every general election and an audit of the register of voters must be undertaken which shall be cross checked by the information and data held by the National Registration Bureau which includes identity cards, passports and registers of births and deaths. This same exercise under Clause 6 of the Bill must be undertaken before October 2016 for the purposes of the August 2017 elections.
The totality of all these statutory requirements is that there will be a fresh register of voters. And because of the use of technology in the voting process including biometrics, voter identification and transmission of results at every polling station, each station will not have more than five hundred voters. It is good bye to dead voters, double voting and registration of ineligible voters.
As results are announced at every polling station for the purposes of the presidential elections, the returning officer shall simultaneously, and in real time, transmit, in the prescribed statutory form, the tabulated results of the election to the constituency tallying centre and the national tallying centre. The results will concurrently be published in polling result forms on an online public portal. In effect the results announced at polling stations are final and citizens, political parties and the media can aggregate the results at the same pace with or even faster than the Commission.
Political parties and other stakeholders are going to be directly involved in or oversight the acquisition of equipment, instruments, technologies and other electoral infrastructure. Political parties must hold their heads high and will not be passengers anymore. They will be able to test the equipment and technology to be deployed for the elections well before polling day.
Senator Anyang’ Nyong’o will tell you of an incident before the last general elections when we were rudely sent away from Anniversary Towers by the Chairman of IEBC when we insisted that ODM was entitled to check the IEBC equipment and gadgets for the 2013 election. He reasoned that there was no legal framework. Now there is one.
These reforms are seismic and progressive by any standards or best practices.
You hypocrites! You unbelievers! The sun will rise and set while you are still locked in the darkness of cynicism and scepticism. The spacecraft Juno has now accomplished the planetary expedition to Jupiter and is sending the images of that giant body in our solar system to small little earth. Modern day orthodoxy would still today send Galileo to the inquisition for stating the obvious, that the earth is round and orbitally goes round the sun.
The Report and Draft Bills are not serendipity. It is a result of hard negotiations carried out in the backdrop of great sacrifice and heroic struggles of our people who died and who faced prosecution and have been unlawfully detained to bring freedom and justice to our land.
And now that we have a legal framework, never ever forget the iconic message of Emma Jalamo. “Telo ikawo. Ok mi ng’ato”. Power is never granted. It is taken. Now the pathway to victory has been secured. Abracadabra!
SENATOR JAMES ORENGO
NAIROBI, 20TH AUGUST 2016
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Omollo, It's obvious that the Ruto side of Jubilee is not enthusiastic about the IEBC reform deal. Ruto is unusually quiet about it. They feel betrayed because Ruto knows now that he cannot win in 2022 without the unfair advantage that they had in 2013. He believes ouru is giving up the "store". That is the reason why RV Pundit is putting up a brave face by downplaying the the IEBC reform deal but deep down the Ruto wing is very nervous that the okuyu wing of Jubilee has started to sell them out. Its just a matter of time before this "marriage made in heaven" which was supposed to last 100 years starts to crumble. Ever since the 2013 stolen elections they have been crowing as if they are Kenya's electoral geniuses. Who would have thought just a few months ago that stealing presidential elections in Kenya may become a thing of the past in our lifetime. This must be very scary to someone like Ruto who was hoping to "win" the presidency in 2022 with the fake "tyranny of numbers".
What you are accusing Raila and CORD is naivete. I am saying it is not naivete but a belief in certain core principals.
Now allow me to let you in on a secret: That naivete is GONE for good. You rig you suffer for it. You want war you will get it. There will be no spectators listening to and watching sponsored "Accept and Move On" crap or "Uwiyano" with bad swahili spelling. If Uhuru wants to rig elections he better have the stomach for it because we are ready Pundit.
But we are sure that won't happen. We have put in place mechanisms to tame that. We have so much goodwill even from Uhuru's own people who continue to bank roll many of our activities on the ground we are shocked (especially Omollo).
Its the money that will win or lose this election Pundit. We have our eyes on the Eurobond. If that comes in and we don't stop it we are done. When you meet Ruto tell him we know they have not started using the Eurobond.
Hope spring eternal. Kibaki was basically a good ajua player. UhuRuto are excellent chess players. Ask the ICC. Raila's Caroli Omondi sat in the panel that interviewed IEBC commisioners, his man from Siaya Oswago was in there as the CEO -the main guy, and he had frenchies & canadanians - selling us those damn kits that failed. Mutunga and supreme court judges were his people - he stoned walled Kibaki appointment. He had parliament and the speaker.
Now he has nothing. He is coming with clean pair of hands. Hoping Jubilee duo will play with clean hands and hand him turkana oil, SGR and all the billions :)
Hii ujinga ni high class. I am increasingly looking at 65% drubbing.
Take it from me..NO RAILA poddle will be in IEBC. They are either going to be neutral or jubilee leaning. Gen Waweru's NSIS & Duale will handle the details.
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Orengo, Omollo and you are the main reason why Raila is not any closer to power 40 or is it 60 yrs later. CORD are putting a brave face after they were shafted sagana style. Yesterday I read that churches & religious bodies (dominated by pro-gov folks) will make the selection of 11 guys. And Uhuru will drop 4 he doesn't like & end up with 7 guys. Tell me of any worst deal. Orengo here acknolwedge that ODM had 6 guys in the current IEBC..and now they are going to get zero (0). There is no new registration. Some audit firm will do audit the list - using what?. And there is no constitutional ammendment -mean all the tech will remain provisional.
This is not naivety but stupidity. We hear Raila and CORD are livid after Orengo once again shafted them. Raila just moved from the frying pan to the fire. He cannot backtrack. He has given Uhuru the opportunity to appoint IEBC and secretariat that is pro-Jubilee and has won the legitimacy he needs for 2017-2022.
Omollo, It's obvious that the Ruto side of Jubilee is not enthusiastic about the IEBC reform deal. Ruto is unusually quiet about it. They feel betrayed because Ruto knows now that he cannot win in 2022 without the unfair advantage that they had in 2013. He believes ouru is giving up the "store". That is the reason why RV Pundit is putting up a brave face by downplaying the the IEBC reform deal but deep down the Ruto wing is very nervous that the okuyu wing of Jubilee has started to sell them out. Its just a matter of time before this "marriage made in heaven" which was supposed to last 100 years starts to crumble. Ever since the 2013 stolen elections they have been crowing as if they are Kenya's electoral geniuses. Who would have thought just a few months ago that stealing presidential elections in Kenya may become a thing of the past in our lifetime. This must be very scary to someone like Ruto who was hoping to "win" the presidency in 2022 with the fake "tyranny of numbers".
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The notion that Orengo is the reason why Raila is not president is too ridiculous to even merit a response. The 2013 election result got into your head. It was just one election my friend, no reason to be arrogant about the future.
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Here we go again.
Let me try to be fairly simple and clear:
1. A system that depends on friendly, biased individuals to deliver an uncontaminated result is NOT worth the name
2. Like I said before when you claimed that Raila appointed commissioners who somehow failed to rig elections in his favor, IEBC commissioners are not supposed nor expected to be an individuals' loyalists
3. There is no mechanism that can test the loyalty of any individual and even if there was, it could not possibly predict his behavior beyond the initial sycophancy intended to elicit support for appointment. If there was such a thing Ababu Namwamba would never have made it to SG for ODM
4. The concentration of reforms aimed at making elections free and fair and largely closed the small but fatal loopholes in the system.
I understand that a Ruto supporter - who fought tooth and nail against the talks - you would naturally want to denigrate the deal. Raila and Ruto come from two different worlds. Ruto would wish to grab every advantage and place his opponents at disadvantage as long as he appears to gain. This he would do regardless of the damage it would cause the entire country.
Raila on the other hand is guided by what is best for the country and not necessarily himself or his family.
Hence I usually say if Raila and Ruto were caught up in the wilderness and found a small wooden cottage with just two eggs inside, any time Ruto felt hungry he would create a diversion by sending Raila to fetch firewood while he set the cottage on fire to get enough heat to warm his egg and eat it. He may even eat Raila,s egg. That,, Pundit is the difference.
I will explain further after the deal is passed in parliament.
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SENATOR JAMES ORENGO
NAIROBI, 20TH AUGUST 2016
PATHWAY TO VICTORY
There has been some criticism of the Report and the Draft Bills agreed upon by the Joint Parliamentary Select Committee on matters relating to IEBC. I may not have written this piece if this was just normal political banter. Nay, even if it was genuine criticism and debate in the absurd theatre of political posturing and scoring wrestling points, I would have still kept my silence. In my world I have learned to live with charlatans, cynics and pedagogues in all shapes and forms. But this is serious business.
The world’s most quoted author, William Shakespeare, in Henry the Sixth, through the character named Dick, says, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”. The morbid but memorable line would apply in equal measure to critics and politicians. Paul Barry a professional actor who has directed many Shakespearean plays, in an article, “Let’s Kill all the Critics” says “asking an actor and director to write about critics is like asking mongoose to discourse in the subject of cobras?” Politicians often say a goat can never accede to the jurisdiction of a court presided by hyenas.
And so, with great respect, I question the uninformed rhetoric and statements of many who jumped into the judgement throne to determine who takes the baby without having the wisdom of King Solomon. Like Samson and Delilah they want to bring the temple down so all die. That is the demagoguery that has seen elections stolen and rigged in Kenya in 2007 and 2013 because the sovereign power of the people, on those two occasions has been appropriated by absolutely reactionary forces. Institutions and systems matter. Values even more.
In 1997 Moi acceded to the demands of the opposition and had eleven commissioners nominated by DP, FORD-K, FORD-Asili and KSC to the Electoral Commission. This was heralded as the hallmark of the IPPG. Moi still won. Under the National Accord and the Constitution of Kenya 2010, ODM/CORD had more than six commissioners and the CEO in its bag. Elections were still rigged in 2013. Despite a new set of commissioners, a progressive constitution and, to wit, an acclaimed Supreme Court, the elections and the judicial determination of its results were seen not to be fair.
The approach the CORD team had in the negotiations during the proceedings of the committee were under the mantra and refrain, IT IS THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM STUPID. If you see only the elephant’s tail for the giant mammal you are blind. CORD’s pathway to electoral victory has been safeguarded now and protected by a revolutionary change of the election laws that constitutes both a quantitative and qualitative leap in the electoral system.
The first principle is the use of technology and clause 17 of the Election Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2016 provides that – “there is established an integrated electronic electoral system that enables biometric voter registration, electronic voter identification and electronic transmission of results”. This system is defined in clause 2 of the Bill. In order to vote a person needs more than just having his/her name in the register. Eligibility to vote will now require one’s biometric data to be in the register which data includes unique identifiers or attributes, including fingerprints, hand geometry, earlobe geometry, retina and iris patterns, voice waves, DNA and signatures.
The definition of the register does not include the words “principal register” but the words “register of voters”, which register shall be maintained in a public web portal for inspection by members of the public. One single register. No black book. No green book.
The Bill makes mandatory provisions for the verification of biometric data at polling stations before every general election and an audit of the register of voters must be undertaken which shall be cross checked by the information and data held by the National Registration Bureau which includes identity cards, passports and registers of births and deaths. This same exercise under Clause 6 of the Bill must be undertaken before October 2016 for the purposes of the August 2017 elections.
The totality of all these statutory requirements is that there will be a fresh register of voters. And because of the use of technology in the voting process including biometrics, voter identification and transmission of results at every polling station, each station will not have more than five hundred voters. It is good bye to dead voters, double voting and registration of ineligible voters.
As results are announced at every polling station for the purposes of the presidential elections, the returning officer shall simultaneously, and in real time, transmit, in the prescribed statutory form, the tabulated results of the election to the constituency tallying centre and the national tallying centre. The results will concurrently be published in polling result forms on an online public portal. In effect the results announced at polling stations are final and citizens, political parties and the media can aggregate the results at the same pace with or even faster than the Commission.
Political parties and other stakeholders are going to be directly involved in or oversight the acquisition of equipment, instruments, technologies and other electoral infrastructure. Political parties must hold their heads high and will not be passengers anymore. They will be able to test the equipment and technology to be deployed for the elections well before polling day.
Senator Anyang’ Nyong’o will tell you of an incident before the last general elections when we were rudely sent away from Anniversary Towers by the Chairman of IEBC when we insisted that ODM was entitled to check the IEBC equipment and gadgets for the 2013 election. He reasoned that there was no legal framework. Now there is one.
These reforms are seismic and progressive by any standards or best practices.
You hypocrites! You unbelievers! The sun will rise and set while you are still locked in the darkness of cynicism and scepticism. The spacecraft Juno has now accomplished the planetary expedition to Jupiter and is sending the images of that giant body in our solar system to small little earth. Modern day orthodoxy would still today send Galileo to the inquisition for stating the obvious, that the earth is round and orbitally goes round the sun.
The Report and Draft Bills are not serendipity. It is a result of hard negotiations carried out in the backdrop of great sacrifice and heroic struggles of our people who died and who faced prosecution and have been unlawfully detained to bring freedom and justice to our land.
And now that we have a legal framework, never ever forget the iconic message of Emma Jalamo. “Telo ikawo. Ok mi ng’ato”. Power is never granted. It is taken. Now the pathway to victory has been secured. Abracadabra!
SENATOR JAMES ORENGO
NAIROBI, 20TH AUGUST 2016
I agree with everything Orengo says here. Except the notion that it is realistic to have these requirements in place in 2017. They should shoot for a fool proof 2022 election. Guarantee that by 2022, Kenyans will have the leaders they voted for. Treat 2017 as a trial run to remove the kinks. If they divorce the changes from Raila, and his state house ambition, it stands a better chance of delivering a system that is not likely to be abused.
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The Jubilee - CORD talks sent Ruto reeling. He got shafted badly.
We know that diplomats told Uhuru to forget Ruto's advice as he (Uhuru) is The President and not Co-President. So the decision was made and when Ruto tried to cause trouble, his allowance was cut off to ground him so he wouldn't go around the country inciting.
He got the money flow restored after the deal was in the box. Raila and Uhuru agreed to tame the extremists on both sides. We didn't have any trouble makers on our side except for a mole and having got rid of Namwamba (Ruto's plant) it was easy sailing on our side.
For Uhuru there was just one trouble maker - Ruto. We sent some our usual advice (which vooke once called genius) and saw him grounded. Who once said revenge is best served cold?
About Ruto in 2022: Anybody with half a cell of a brain would tell you it is DOA. In fact it is Dead Long BEFORE arrival (DLBA).
Pundit when questioned said that Ruto was following the Moi approach. I had a good laugh with my daughter about it because we had just been discussing it with a visitor. That plan would on work if you recreate the same 1978 conditions.
1. You would need to set up a brutal dictatorship complete with the thought police, dungeons and gulags
2. You would need a constitution so opaque only a failed law graduate from a South African university serving as Attorney General could, well, like a witchdoctor, divine it on a take it or leave basis. Interpretation would completely out of question.
3. You would need courts that take orders from the government and sometimes have judgments written by government friendly advocates for them to read in court making sure no full stop or comma is omitted
4. You would need to get rid of social media, close all TV and radio stations and leave only KBC. Like we recently saw in Turkey that is beyond impossible. It is not doable. Nowhere can it happen not even China. There is just too much technology out there to beat any attempts. Just ask the Chinese government
I could go on and on. The bottom line is that in the unlikely event Uhuru is reelected, Uhuru will lose his power by 2021. A new Kikuyu alliance with some sycophant will emerge. Kikuyus will vote for it.
My crystal ball tells me that Uhuru will seek to keep it in the family by sponsoring either brother or son.
Omollo, It's obvious that the Ruto side of Jubilee is not enthusiastic about the IEBC reform deal. Ruto is unusually quiet about it. They feel betrayed because Ruto knows now that he cannot win in 2022 without the unfair advantage that they had in 2013. He believes ouru is giving up the "store". That is the reason why RV Pundit is putting up a brave face by downplaying the the IEBC reform deal but deep down the Ruto wing is very nervous that the okuyu wing of Jubilee has started to sell them out. Its just a matter of time before this "marriage made in heaven" which was supposed to last 100 years starts to crumble. Ever since the 2013 stolen elections they have been crowing as if they are Kenya's electoral geniuses. Who would have thought just a few months ago that stealing presidential elections in Kenya may become a thing of the past in our lifetime. This must be very scary to someone like Ruto who was hoping to "win" the presidency in 2022 with the fake "tyranny of numbers".
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I also agree that 2017 maybe too close to have everything in place but I think it can be pulled off. In the USA they said that 2023 was the most realistic year for a minority to be president but they pulled it off in 2008, way a head of schedule. In Kenya 2022 is the most realistic year for the progressives to finally pull it off but they may pull it off in 2017. I once did something as a dry-run thinking that the next trial was the most realistic time but I pulled it off. The progressives should therefore go into 2017 full throttle but if they do not pull-it off then they have 2022 to finish the job. I always say that Kenya's 50 years at the hands of conservatives is very short in historical terms and it should not discourage the progressives because they have a chance to make Ouru the last conservative president. Ruto does not have a path to victory on his own, without Ouru and the infrastructure of stealing elections that is being systematically dismantled with the help of those who built it. This is a huge blow to Ruto 2022.
I agree with everything Orengo says here. Except the notion that it is realistic to have these requirements in place in 2017. They should shoot for a fool proof 2022 election. Guarantee that by 2022, Kenyans will have the leaders they voted for. Treat 2017 as a trial run to remove the kinks. If they divorce the changes from Raila, and his state house ambition, it stands a better chance of delivering a system that is not likely to be abused.
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I also agree that 2017 maybe too close to have everything in place but I think it can be pulled off. In the USA they said that 2023 was the most realistic year for a minority to be president but they pulled it off in 2008, way a head of schedule. In Kenya 2022 is the most realistic year for the progressives to finally pull it off but they may pull it off in 2017. I once did something as a dry-run thinking that the next trial was the most realistic time but I pulled it off on the dry-run. The progressives should therefore go into 2017 full throttle but if they do not pull-it off then they have 2022 to finish the job. I always say that Kenya's 50 years at the hands of conservatives is very short in historical terms and it should not discourage the progressives because they have a chance to make Ouru the last conservative president. He is the last of the Mohicans (remember the photo entitled "power never left this room" featuring Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Ouru as a little boy). Ruto does not have a path to victory on his own, without Ouru and the infrastructure of stealing elections that is being systematically dismantled with the help of those who built it. This is a huge blow to Ruto 2022 and we may now start to see his arrogance and that of his supporters take a nose dive.
I agree with everything Orengo says here. Except the notion that it is realistic to have these requirements in place in 2017. They should shoot for a fool proof 2022 election. Guarantee that by 2022, Kenyans will have the leaders they voted for. Treat 2017 as a trial run to remove the kinks. If they divorce the changes from Raila, and his state house ambition, it stands a better chance of delivering a system that is not likely to be abused.
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This is surreal. So Ruto lost so badly Mbadi, Midiwo, CORD brigade,civil society and name them are complaining for Ruto. This is beyond laughable. It repeat of history. Raila ran to Sagana and come back proclaiming from hills about a deal -before we end up with 5yrs of loud complaining. And that when Ruto had told him about irreducible minimum and need to have ministiries that really define having power...anyway before long...constitution came..Raila rans with it and before long...OKOA kenya nonsense for 4yrs..culminating in 1.7m signatures. The MOU btw Raila and Kibaki was slightly better than MaDVD & Uhuru MOU that last 2 weeks :). Raila one lasted a month.
I can go on and on...and on...but I am pretty sure you'll find a way to twist this. Ruto on the contrary is negotiator per excellence. That is why his MOU with UHuru is the most balanced and there is zero complain.Ruto once told us he learnt negotiation from his days selling chicken then cows in Eldoret. You've to known how to get the best price. Don't show your hand. That is something Raila doesn't know.
I still cannot believe the capitulation. So after 5 yrs complaining about IEBC commisoners - turns out they were powerless :) :). Uhuru get to appoint 7 guys he likes and then the orengo "systems" will kick in.I don't believe IEBC rigged the elections - but I was expecting more than this.
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Raila's political history cannot be reduced to your warped version of what happened at Sagana in 2008. Raila's political history starts much earlier than Sagana and it includes remarkable victories for Kenya's progressive movement: 1) the end one party system; 2) presidential term limits; 3) end of political torture and detention without trial; 4) the death of Kanu domination and dictatorship (baba na mama; 6) Devolution; 7) new Katiba-which Ruto opposed; and now 7) electoral reforms.
It is true that the progressive forces suffered set backs in 2007 and 2013 but in historical terms 10 years is nothing. Any serious movement will always suffer set backs and historians will be much kinder to Raila's legacy than you are because facts are stubborn. Of course Raila did not do it all alone but he is the undisputed leader of the progressive movement in Kenya and I dare you to name anyone who has sacrificed more and consistently been a leader of the progressive movement longer than Raila through thick and thin. Give credit where one is due.
This is surreal. So Ruto lost so badly Mbadi, Midiwo, CORD brigade,civil society and name them are complaining for Ruto. This is beyond laughable. It repeat of history. Raila ran to Sagana and come back proclaiming from hills about a deal -before we end up with 5yrs of loud complaining. And that when Ruto had told him about irreducible minimum and need to have ministiries that really define having power...anyway before long...constitution came..Raila rans with it and before long...OKOA kenya nonsense for 4yrs..culminating in 1.7m signatures. The MOU btw Raila and Kibaki was slightly better than MaDVD & Uhuru MOU that last 2 weeks :). Raila one lasted a month.
I can go on and on...and on...but I am pretty sure you'll find a way to twist this. Ruto on the contrary is negotiator per excellence. That is why his MOU with UHuru is the most balanced and there is zero complain.Ruto once told us he learnt negotiation from his days selling chicken then cows in Eldoret. You've to known how to get the best price. Don't show your hand. That is something Raila doesn't know.
I still cannot believe the capitulation. So after 5 yrs complaining about IEBC commisoners - turns out they were powerless :) :)
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Raila is in this for power. And he doesn't look like he is getting closer than when he started in 82. You can call him the leader of progressive but those of us who've seen him run gov would call him a feckless reckless moron whom Kibaki reduced to tears and cannot ran a shop. Ask Orengo, Miguna and anybody whose be up close with the leader of progressive.
Uhuru has already won 2017. That much I can read from you guys - you've thrown in the towels - after being take to cleaners by Jubilee. I welcome you to 2022 when the son of a gun William Ruto will school you in politics 101. The art of war. The art of negotiation. You just have to see how Ruto & Uhuru are running the show to realize they're on another level.
Raila's political history cannot be reduced to your warped version of what happened at Sagana in 2008. Raila's political history starts much earlier than Sagana and it includes remarkable victories for Kenya's progressive movement: 1) the end one party system; 2) presidential term limits; 3) end of political torture and detention without trial; 4) the death of Kanu domination and dictatorship (baba na mama; 6) Devolution; 7) new Katiba-which Ruto opposed; and now 7) electoral reforms.
It is true that the progressive forces suffered set backs in 2007 and 2013 but in historical terms 10 years is nothing. Any serious movement will always suffer set backs and historians will be much kinder to Raila's legacy than you are because facts are stubborn. Of course Raila did not do it all alone but he is the undisputed leader of the progressive movement in Kenya and I dare you to name anyone who has sacrificed more and consistently been a leader of the progressive movement longer than Raila through thick and thin. Give credit where one is due.
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When you talk about political power what do you really mean? Political power is not confined to those who hold office. Raila is not holding any office but he has more political power than your man Ruto. In political and historical terms Kibaki is nothing. If he dies in South Africa today, he will be buried quietly and forgotten. Kibaki missed a huge opportunity to make an everlasting legacy for himself in 2002 when he reneged on the MOU. Your version of Kenya's political history is confined to Ruto and is therefore nothing to even dignify with a thoughtful response.
Raila is in this for power. And he doesn't look like he is getting closer than when he started in 82. You can call him the leader of progressive but those of us who've seen him run gov would call him a feckless reckless moron whom Kibaki reduced to tears and cannot ran a shop. Ask Orengo, Miguna and anybody whose be up close with the leader of progressive.
Uhuru has already won 2017. That much I can read from you guys - you've thrown in the towels - after being take to cleaners by Jubilee. I welcome you to 2022 when the son of a gun William Ruto will school you in politics 101. The art of war. The art of negotiation. You just have to see how Ruto & Uhuru are running the show to realize they're on another level.
Raila's political history cannot be reduced to your warped version of what happened at Sagana in 2008. Raila's political history starts much earlier than Sagana and it includes remarkable victories for Kenya's progressive movement: 1) the end one party system; 2) presidential term limits; 3) end of political torture and detention without trial; 4) the death of Kanu domination and dictatorship (baba na mama; 6) Devolution; 7) new Katiba-which Ruto opposed; and now 7) electoral reforms.
It is true that the progressive forces suffered set backs in 2007 and 2013 but in historical terms 10 years is nothing. Any serious movement will always suffer set backs and historians will be much kinder to Raila's legacy than you are because facts are stubborn. Of course Raila did not do it all alone but he is the undisputed leader of the progressive movement in Kenya and I dare you to name anyone who has sacrificed more and consistently been a leader of the progressive movement longer than Raila through thick and thin. Give credit where one is due.
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I also agree that 2017 maybe too close to have everything in place but I think it can be pulled off. In the USA they said that 2023 was the most realistic year for a minority to be president but they pulled it off in 2008, way a head of schedule. In Kenya 2022 is the most realistic year for the progressives to finally pull it off but they may pull it off in 2017. I once did something as a dry-run thinking that the next trial was the most realistic time but I pulled it off on the dry-run. The progressives should therefore go into 2017 full throttle but if they do not pull-it off then they have 2022 to finish the job. I always say that Kenya's 50 years at the hands of conservatives is very short in historical terms and it should not discourage the progressives because they have a chance to make Ouru the last conservative president. He is the last of the Mohicans (remember the photo entitled "power never left this room" featuring Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and Ouru as a little boy). Ruto does not have a path to victory on his own, without Ouru and the infrastructure of stealing elections that is being systematically dismantled with the help of those who built it. This is a huge blow to Ruto 2022 and we may now start to see his arrogance and that of his supporters take a nose dive.
I agree with everything Orengo says here. Except the notion that it is realistic to have these requirements in place in 2017. They should shoot for a fool proof 2022 election. Guarantee that by 2022, Kenyans will have the leaders they voted for. Treat 2017 as a trial run to remove the kinks. If they divorce the changes from Raila, and his state house ambition, it stands a better chance of delivering a system that is not likely to be abused.
They should go full throttle no question. Even if they don't win, they should focus on, as you say, putting the infrastructure of electoral fraud to bed. I am still yet to wrap my head around why eliminating rigging as an option makes some uneasy.
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Raila is a bad negotiator. The endgame of all the demos was just getting a dialogue. This is now very clear. I see CORD appendix (civil society) are also crying foul. I ask one again - what was the endgame? I don't see any change! Some a reputable firm will clean the register - big deal - I think the register is pretty clean.
The biggest winner here are Jubilee and Kenyans..IEBC after CORD endless throwing of mud and chickengate were damaged goods and needed to go..and this talks may give us the same body with confidence of everyone..CORD cannot cry foul when they get a drubbing of their life next year.
Those like me that believe IEBC didn't rig the last election couldn't be any happier.
You hit the nail squarely on the head.
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorMigunaMiguna/posts/541086029414115
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The only change I am seeing here is the blocking of party hopping. This will work for strong parties. And the strongest of them will suddenly be Jubilee. The combined Jubilee now has close to 200Mps...with this blocking of party hoppers...the party might get more than 200k. ODM is hoping to improve it's 100mps at expense of smaller cord affliaties -pdps, fk and wiper.The biggest losers are the small parties who are hoping to attract rigged strong candidates.
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Miguna's take
Cord Lost to Jubilee in the IEBC Issue – August 31, 2016
Let’s not quibble with facts. Cord and Raila Odinga lost to Jubilee and Uhuru Kenyatta in the IEBC issue. I’ll break it down for Kenyans in very simple terms and plain language so that there is neither confusion nor misunderstanding.
1. FIRST: Cord wanted the IEBC disbanded immediately and unconditionally. IEBC has not been disbanded and will only be RECONSTITUTED – CONDITIONALLY. In other words, the IEBC commissioners and staff are still in office and only the commissioners might go home “on agreed terms.” The commissioners might even be bribed by hundreds of millions of public money before they go home. Cord/Raila Odinga lost on this issue.
2. SECOND: Cord wanted to be involved in the FORMATION of another electoral commission in the same manner that Kanu and Former President Daniel arap Moi had involved other political parties in the reconstitution of the ECK in 1997. The IPPG formula was not adopted. President Uhuru Kenyatta will unilaterally appoint the IEBC commissioners alone, as prescribed. Again, Cord lost this one.
3. THIRD: Cord insisted that the CURRENT ELECTORAL REGISTER must be discarded and a fresh new one be RECONSTRUCTED so as to ensure that dead voters, none Kenyans and inanimate persons don’t vote. Cord apparently settled for the “CLEANING” of the REGISTER. Who will clean it and when that will be accomplished is unknown; nor is it known how THOROUGH the “cleaning” will be done – if at all. Cord scored Zero over Ten.
4. FOURTH: Cord wanted the NEGOTIATIONS between itself and Jubilee to be JOINTLY CHAIRED by President Uhuru Kenyatta and Raila Odinga. That did not happen. Cord lost again.
5. FIFTH: Cord insisted that the AGREEMENT entered between itself and Jubilee be ENTRENCHED in the Constitution like the NATIONAL ACCORD and that both President Uhuru Kenyatta and Cord Leader Raila Odinga should attend a Joint Session of Parliament in order to whip their members to vote unanimously for the Constitutional Amendment thereafter. Cord later scaled down on this demand and settled for having the “Report passed by Parliament without any amendments.” That has clearly failed, too. Whereas the Senate has passed the report without any changes, the National Assembly, which is the only organ of state with legislative teeth, has refused to play ball. In fact, as we write, there is no guarantee that the Cord and Jubilee “Joint Report” will be passed at all or when and in what form. And, of course, we know who controls the National Assembly. Once more: Cord Zero and Jubilee Ten.
6. SIXTH: Cord had insisted that the NEGOTIATIONS would be “all-inclusive” and that “all stake-holders” like the Civil Society and “other political parties” would be part and parcel of the negotiations and the final solution. Cord scored ZILCH.
7. SEVENTH: Cord had strongly opposed a PROCESS driven and carried out by PARLIAMENT. It demanded that the negotiations be conducted “LIKE THE SERENA TALKS” that Kofi Annan had led. That was also a complete flop for Cord.
8. FINALLY: Cord had publicly announced that unless the foregoing conditions – they called them CONDITIONS PRECEDENT - were met, it would boycott the next general and presidential elections. Predictably, this condition was also quietly abandoned. Cord scored zero here, too.
In other words, Cord and Raila Odinga LOST EVERYTHING in the IEBC negotiations. They scored 0/10. The final grade/score is an "F" - plain and simple.
I’m not sure how people like James Orengo can face the families of innocent Kenyans who died during the IEBC protests and proclaim that “we won!” What did “we” win and how?
I know that Cord/ODM and Raila Odinga supporters will riot over this opinion and accuse me of all manner of imaginary crimes. They might even hold another raucous demonstration and burn my effigy. I regret to inform them of what the good Lord said: Truth Will Set You Free!
Cheers and Viva!
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorMigunaMiguna/posts/541086029414115
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Is Miguna still running for Nairobi governor? If he is, then he is more delusional than advertised. He probably should try his luck for MP in Nyando.
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Is Miguna still running for Nairobi governor? If he is, then he is more delusional than advertised. He probably should try his luck for MP in Nyando.
Folks could actually elect Miguna MP just for the fun. If he had a working braincell he would know :D
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Good for UhuRuto, bad for Kenya. With high levels of corruption, tribalism, incompetence, etc we need swing parliament as a better check. Imagine stuff like draconian Security Act, or anti-press freedom act with mammoth monolith Jubilee. Raila with 50% Cord MPigs will halt Eurobond and such brazen theft. SWING parliament is the best deal Kenya can get until democracy is entrenched.
The only change I am seeing here is the blocking of party hopping. This will work for strong parties. And the strongest of them will suddenly be Jubilee. The combined Jubilee now has close to 200Mps...with this blocking of party hoppers...the party might get more than 200k. ODM is hoping to improve it's 100mps at expense of smaller cord affliaties -pdps, fk and wiper.The biggest losers are the small parties who are hoping to attract rigged strong candidates.
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Is Miguna still running for Nairobi governor? If he is, then he is more delusional than advertised. He probably should try his luck for MP in Nyando.
Yeah, he is. Just launched his website and he's engaging people. Quite interesting.
(https://migunamiguna.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/logo.png) (https://migunamiguna.com/)
And here's his Facebook page, where he engages:
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorMigunaMiguna/?fref=ts
To be honest, although I find him somewhat (!) arrogant, it's somehow refreshing to have a politician who engages with people.
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Miguna's take
Cord Lost to Jubilee in the IEBC Issue – August 31, 2016
Let’s not quibble with facts. Cord and Raila Odinga lost to Jubilee and Uhuru Kenyatta in the IEBC issue. I’ll break it down for Kenyans in very simple terms and plain language so that there is neither confusion nor misunderstanding.
1. FIRST: Cord wanted the IEBC disbanded immediately and unconditionally. IEBC has not been disbanded and will only be RECONSTITUTED – CONDITIONALLY. In other words, the IEBC commissioners and staff are still in office and only the commissioners might go home “on agreed terms.” The commissioners might even be bribed by hundreds of millions of public money before they go home. Cord/Raila Odinga lost on this issue.
2. SECOND: Cord wanted to be involved in the FORMATION of another electoral commission in the same manner that Kanu and Former President Daniel arap Moi had involved other political parties in the reconstitution of the ECK in 1997. The IPPG formula was not adopted. President Uhuru Kenyatta will unilaterally appoint the IEBC commissioners alone, as prescribed. Again, Cord lost this one.
3. THIRD: Cord insisted that the CURRENT ELECTORAL REGISTER must be discarded and a fresh new one be RECONSTRUCTED so as to ensure that dead voters, none Kenyans and inanimate persons don’t vote. Cord apparently settled for the “CLEANING” of the REGISTER. Who will clean it and when that will be accomplished is unknown; nor is it known how THOROUGH the “cleaning” will be done – if at all. Cord scored Zero over Ten.
4. FOURTH: Cord wanted the NEGOTIATIONS between itself and Jubilee to be JOINTLY CHAIRED by President Uhuru Kenyatta and Raila Odinga. That did not happen. Cord lost again.
5. FIFTH: Cord insisted that the AGREEMENT entered between itself and Jubilee be ENTRENCHED in the Constitution like the NATIONAL ACCORD and that both President Uhuru Kenyatta and Cord Leader Raila Odinga should attend a Joint Session of Parliament in order to whip their members to vote unanimously for the Constitutional Amendment thereafter. Cord later scaled down on this demand and settled for having the “Report passed by Parliament without any amendments.” That has clearly failed, too. Whereas the Senate has passed the report without any changes, the National Assembly, which is the only organ of state with legislative teeth, has refused to play ball. In fact, as we write, there is no guarantee that the Cord and Jubilee “Joint Report” will be passed at all or when and in what form. And, of course, we know who controls the National Assembly. Once more: Cord Zero and Jubilee Ten.
6. SIXTH: Cord had insisted that the NEGOTIATIONS would be “all-inclusive” and that “all stake-holders” like the Civil Society and “other political parties” would be part and parcel of the negotiations and the final solution. Cord scored ZILCH.
7. SEVENTH: Cord had strongly opposed a PROCESS driven and carried out by PARLIAMENT. It demanded that the negotiations be conducted “LIKE THE SERENA TALKS” that Kofi Annan had led. That was also a complete flop for Cord.
8. FINALLY: Cord had publicly announced that unless the foregoing conditions – they called them CONDITIONS PRECEDENT - were met, it would boycott the next general and presidential elections. Predictably, this condition was also quietly abandoned. Cord scored zero here, too.
In other words, Cord and Raila Odinga LOST EVERYTHING in the IEBC negotiations. They scored 0/10. The final grade/score is an "F" - plain and simple.
I’m not sure how people like James Orengo can face the families of innocent Kenyans who died during the IEBC protests and proclaim that “we won!” What did “we” win and how?
I know that Cord/ODM and Raila Odinga supporters will riot over this opinion and accuse me of all manner of imaginary crimes. They might even hold another raucous demonstration and burn my effigy. I regret to inform them of what the good Lord said: Truth Will Set You Free!
Cheers and Viva!
https://www.facebook.com/GovernorMigunaMiguna/posts/541086029414115
Somehow seems to easy a "victory" for Jubilee.
RAO isn't that dumb.
Could CORD have orchestrated this to reject the elections next year?
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If CORD wante to reject the results; they won't do it when all their demands have just been accepted. Of course they' had no demands. Election rigging was a redherring to mask the hidding that UhuRuto gave Raila in 2013. It going to be hard to rig elections in 2017. I don't think Jubilee is sitting out there think about it. Election will be won by having the BEST strategy and executing it. Jubilee are already so far ahead they are nearly winning 2022..leave alone 2017.CORD are yet
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Interesting analysis, that no-party-hopping undermines the big PORK candidates.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/no-party-hopping-negatively-affects-uhurus-2017-vote_c1414531 (http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/no-party-hopping-negatively-affects-uhurus-2017-vote_c1414531)
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I have heard 2M voted for PORK and didn't bother voting for others low rank candidate. That would disabuse Ngunjiri argument that people go to vote for MCA not PORK. The losers after nomination will be made to work hard for the party by being promised jobs. Therefore they will disband their personal campaigns and work for the party - for party leader so they can curry favour.
Interesting analysis, that no-party-hopping undermines the big PORK candidates.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/no-party-hopping-negatively-affects-uhurus-2017-vote_c1414531 (http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/no-party-hopping-negatively-affects-uhurus-2017-vote_c1414531)