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Title: School burning in Kenya- Langata is up in flames
Post by: GeeMail on July 24, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
I've been trying to understand this crazy phenomenon in Kenya. Why are kids burning school dormitories? When we were in school the worst we could think of did not come close to this. Which demons are causing this madness? Children graduating from the affected Kenya schools in this time risk being placed on probation for the rest of their lives. Does this lawlessness come from what the kids see in politicians, dancers, celebs and even religious leaders?
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Post by: Simanova on July 24, 2016, 11:06:26 PM
I was just about to start the thread. This is getting out of hand. I hope Ruto does not blame CORD:
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Post by: Simanova on July 24, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 24, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 24, 2016, 11:44:23 PM
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Post by: patel on July 25, 2016, 08:45:02 AM
Matiangi should resign as education secretary. Uhuru should set up a team to listen to students grievances and another team to prosecute those who have committed criminal act. It's time like this that one misses former first lady Lucy kibaki at least she would have said something.
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Post by: Empedocles on July 25, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Daily Bread on July 24, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
I've been trying to understand this crazy phenomenon in Kenya. Why are kids burning school dormitories? When we were in school the worst we could think of did not come close to this. Which demons are causing this madness? Children graduating from the affected Kenya schools in this time risk being placed on probation for the rest of their lives. Does this lawlessness come from what the kids see in politicians, dancers, celebs and even religious leaders?

Influence of social media.

Our young'uns are slowly but surely beginning to understand how the world works. They are seeing lawlessness in our politicians, headmasters, etc. for what it is and what it represents.

They're beginning to understand that they can and must challenge a corrupted authority.
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Post by: veritas on July 25, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
Kids today are smarter. More aware of corruption, useless teachers, self-serving systems. They need vision, guidance, hope. Hard to see that in the world today. They don't respect the law and use that to justify their misguided activism. Hard to distinguish which forms of civil disobedience are authentic or implanted.
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Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
The whole concept of having wholesome boarding schools for high school kids need to be examined. These teenagers should be at home with their parents. Boarding schools should be very rare and for special case. In kenya they are the rule; not the exception.Gov should make all schools day and boarding. It should also not encourage picking of students 1,000kms away from their home. I think in every part of kenya there is a decent walking or slight travel distance school that would eliminate all these boarding nonsense.
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Post by: Georgesoros on July 25, 2016, 01:01:16 PM
100% agreed.
It's time to change.
School districts should be in charge of schools with education dept providing guidelines only.

Quote from: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
The whole concept of having wholesome boarding schools for high school kids need to be examined. These teenagers should be at home with their parents. Boarding schools should be very rare and for special case. In kenya they are the rule; not the exception.Gov should make all schools day and boarding. It should also not encourage picking of students 1,000kms away from their home. I think in every part of kenya there is a decent walking or slight travel distance school that would eliminate all these boarding nonsense.

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Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 01:07:37 PM
Our secondary education is messed up. You lock up impressionable teenagers raving with hormones in a school compound for 3 months and don't expect to see chaos. The same case with our policing model - where you send somebody from Busia to police people in Mandera - then send the guy from Mandera to police the guy in Busia. This doesn't happen to teachers and most teachers are the pillar of society. You'd expect cops to be the same way.

These kind of nonsense do not happen in most countries. Fix the boarding nonsense in secondary. Fix the police transfer policy. This is so commonsensical like devolution/majimbo but it will take kenyans another 50yrs before they realize they should have done this long time ago.

We need to examine some of the colonial model we inherited from the Brits that were designed for small minority to lord over the country and discard them.

Quote from: Parkerpen on July 25, 2016, 01:01:16 PM
100% agreed.
It's time to change.
School districts should be in charge of schools with education dept providing guidelines only.
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Post by: GeeMail on July 25, 2016, 04:57:55 PM
I rarely agree with Pundit but here his punditry is betther than his banditry. I agree entirely. Boarding schools should be abolished until all Kenyan teens have been cleansed, and not with mursik but sosiat. As a policy all kids should be relocated to schools nearest to their homes for at least four years. Like police, and strangely, Pundit is right on the money, kids should be placed where mum and dad and uncle see them daily. Police brutality and murders are fuelled by the fact that they work far from home among strangers they couldn't care less about. Please pray for Uhuru and Ruto's Kenya. This is what you get when lawlessness leads from the top.
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Post by: Kadudu on July 25, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
RV Pundit has a big point.
Kenya still lives under the colonial structure. It is still benefiting the ruling elite and hence the resistance to devolution.
Also do not forget the ruling class does not send its children to public schools. So the Ministry of Education is under govt officials who make education policy for the masses but not for their own children. Kenya has hit a deadend and the ruling class corrupt ways now reflects itself with the behaviour of the school children.

Quote from: Daily Bread on July 25, 2016, 04:57:55 PM
I rarely agree with Pundit but here his punditry is betther than his banditry. I agree entirely. Boarding schools should be abolished until all Kenyan teens have been cleansed, and not with mursik but sosiat. As a policy all kids should be relocated to schools nearest to their homes for at least four years. Like police, and strangely, Pundit is right on the money, kids should be placed where mum and dad and uncle see them daily. Police brutality and murders are fuelled by the fact that they work far from home among strangers they couldn't care less about. Please pray for Uhuru and Ruto's Kenya. This is what you get when lawlessness leads from the top.
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Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 25, 2016, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Empedocles on July 25, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: Daily Bread on July 24, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
I've been trying to understand this crazy phenomenon in Kenya. Why are kids burning school dormitories? When we were in school the worst we could think of did not come close to this. Which demons are causing this madness? Children graduating from the affected Kenya schools in this time risk being placed on probation for the rest of their lives. Does this lawlessness come from what the kids see in politicians, dancers, celebs and even religious leaders?

Influence of social media.

Our young'uns are slowly but surely beginning to understand how the world works. They are seeing lawlessness in our politicians, headmasters, etc. for what it is and what it represents.

They're beginning to understand that they can and must challenge a corrupted authority.
You are probably right.  Back in the days, you waited for the local copy of Daily Nation in the library, which you got to read one week later, for information about the world.  Today, Cyprian Nyakundi can release real time information of how your heady is moving big funds while you scrape by on murram.  There is no other difference I can think of.
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Post by: Simanova on July 25, 2016, 06:11:30 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 25, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 25, 2016, 08:21:43 PM
They are now resorting to all manner of trickery to get some days off. Matiangi should not have extended the term without half term. The problem is just the half term vacation.
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Post by: Georgesoros on July 25, 2016, 10:14:46 PM
THese are the future MCAs, MPigs, Senators, etc.....
Welcome to the new wild wild west....
Only in Kenya!!
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Post by: Simanova on July 25, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Another one. I estimate about 15 tonight only going by the prevailing pattern
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Post by: Simanova on July 25, 2016, 11:12:25 PM
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Post by: Kichwa on July 25, 2016, 11:56:02 PM
This election period is going to be more violent than we have ever witnessed.  The country is on edge and the winner needs to win fair and clear with a huge mandate.  Otherwise we may need a coalition government to hold it together.
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 01:20:24 AM
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In Murang’a,
Kahithe Mixed,
Igikiro Boys,
Rarakwa Girls and
Kihumbuini secondary have reported unrest.
Dormitories at
Kibutha Girls and
 Kiruri Secondary schools were burnt down,
while students at Kirogo Secondary smashed classroom windows before police arrived.
Property of unknown value was also destroyed after students from St Peter’s Kandara Boys High School (formerly Gakarara Secondary School)
in Kandara, Murang’a county,  torched one of their dormitories,
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 01:44:47 AM
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Post by: MOON Ki on July 26, 2016, 03:08:56 AM
Quote from: Empedocles on July 25, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Our young'uns are slowly but surely beginning to understand how the world works. They are seeing lawlessness in our politicians, headmasters, etc. for what it is and what it represents.

They're beginning to understand that they can and must challenge a corrupted authority.

Indeed.   They are waking up to the con.  They look up and see that those asking them to behave are themselves engaged in some serious misbehaviour and benefiting from it..   Even religion has not been left out, with "pastors" regularly in the media for "colourful" activities.   
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 04:29:16 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 04:47:01 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 04:54:23 PM
Looks like the Empire is striking back:

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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 08:19:57 PM
No let up. Counting tonight too. Iten is in Pundit!
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 08:38:32 PM
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Post by: veritas on July 26, 2016, 10:03:19 PM
It's not easy torching a whole school. Need fuel. Likely paid arsonists leading up to elections. From 2008:

http://tucson.com/news/killers-arsonists-in-kenya-paid-group-says/article_6bb69caa-9d8a-5a1e-8e69-807acc8cf7b2.html

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Killers, arsonists in Kenya paid, group says
NAIROBI, Kenya — The price for burning down a home: 500 shillings, or about $8. Double that to have someone hacked to death.

The price list comes from a leading Kenyan human rights group that says some of the worst violence in the country's deadly disputed presidential election is the work of militias paid and directed by politicians.

The government of President Mwai Kibaki and the opposition have traded blame for the killing and arson that followed Kibaki's victory in the Dec. 27 election that international observers say was followed by a rigged count.

Some of the attacks took on an ugly ethnic twist, with other tribes turning on Kibaki's Kikuyu people.

But the respected and independent Kenyan Human Rights Commission says there is more to it, and that it appears to involve politicians from both sides.

It "was portrayed as some primal, irate rising up of (ethnic) communities against each other," commission chairwoman Muthoni Wanyeki told The Associated Press. "But our investigations indicate it seems to be very organized militia activity . . . (the violence) very much seems to be directed and well organized."

She pointed to the torching of a church sheltering Kikuyu, dozens of whom burned to death.

"One group was watching the church, and then another took over," Wanyeki said. "We say it's organized because they are working in groups of 10 to 15 people and in shifts.

"Their training areas have been identified, some of the people from whom they get money have been identified," she said. "They are being paid 500 per burning and 1,000 per death."

The information, she said, comes from about 100 monitors and a network including prominent individuals and community-based organizations given pre-election training in researching human rights violations.

She said information is being compiled in a report to be published this week and given to another body, the state-funded Kenya National Commission on Human Rights, for investigation by appropriate authorities.

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The state-funded commission, as well as a bishop and a police superintendent, agree that a lot of the violence seemed orchestrated. However, they stop short of claiming money changed hands, and both camps vying for the presidency strongly deny it.

Gangs wielding bows and arrows, machetes and stones killed scores of people in the central Rift Valley. They set ablaze hundreds of buildings, forcing more than 100,000 people, mainly Kikuyus, from their homes and farmlands. Victims have identified their attackers as ethnic Kalenjin and members of opposition leader Raila Odinga's Luo tribe.

Odinga's spokesman, Salim Lone, said the charges of payment were "wild propaganda."

"I cannot categorically say that no politician is doing that (paying militias)," he said, but he bristled at the suggestion that his party, having denounced the violence, could at the same time be fomenting it.

Odinga says Kibaki must take the blame because the violence was ignited by his alleged theft of the election.

Maina Kiai, chairman of the state-funded human rights body, said that in response to attacks on Kikuyu, government politicians have recruited the Mungiki, a Kikuyu gang blamed for a string of beheadings carried out in Nairobi's slums this year.

Kiai said the government has promised Mungiki immunity in return for protecting the Kikuyu. He said his information came from several sources, including Mungiki members. In a crackdown last year, police killed dozens of alleged Mungiki.

Government spokesman Alfred Mutua said Kiai's charge was "preposterous. There is no truth to it."

The police superintendent of the toubled western town of Kisumu, Simon Kiragu, agreed the violence was orchestrated.

"The trouble started not even 15 minutes after the announcement (of the election results)," he told the AP.
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Post by: Simanova on July 26, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
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Post by: Simanova on July 27, 2016, 12:41:00 AM
Giakaibei Secondary School, Nyeri
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Post by: Simanova on July 27, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
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Nation Breaking: Nyahururu Boys High School dormitory on fire. Fire fighters from Laikipia County battling inferno. Area OCPD at the scene.
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Post by: Simanova on July 27, 2016, 02:49:26 PM
Suffice is to say the fires will end in two - three weeks when the extended second term comes to an end. I shall not update this anymore. Average 8 schools burn daily.

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SCHOOL FIRES: Keringet Boys closed, 11 Mai Mahiu students arrested
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Post by: Georgesoros on July 27, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
How come the president hasnt said much???
If it was USA all leaders will be talking on top of their voices, from governors all the way to Obama.
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Post by: Simanova on July 27, 2016, 03:05:10 PM
May be he is sitting in a state house window writing poems about it.

Quote from: Parkerpen on July 27, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
How come the president hasnt said much???
If it was USA all leaders will be talking on top of their voices, from governors all the way to Obama.
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Post by: Kichwa on July 27, 2016, 11:23:03 PM
In most countries Matiangi should have resigned by now.  This is a leadership issue because it is going on all over the country.  The president should drop everything and address this issue ASAP.
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Post by: Georgesoros on July 28, 2016, 01:10:36 AM
This does not seem to bother any leaders in Kenya. It's disgusting to see schools go up in flames. Where is leadership here?
Where's moi?
Where's kibakis
Where's Kenyatta?
How about odinga?
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Post by: Simanova on July 28, 2016, 02:02:25 PM
This is easily the Exam Cheating Map of Kenya.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CocdBZvWcAAX_Br.jpg)
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Post by: RV Pundit on July 28, 2016, 02:38:52 PM
Yeah the correlation looks pretty strong. There is more than meet the eye in these dorm burning.
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Post by: Simanova on July 28, 2016, 03:59:05 PM
Actually while looking at it casually it just stuck me like a hammer in the face.

Kisii is known for exams cheating from the days Onyonka was minister for education. It is a long tradition. The fires started there and its so far holding the record.

Notice something else: Places where an Education Minister or PS ever came from.

I thought I get it wrong with central until I recalled Kamotho from Murang'a.

Could be a coincidence but these fires are strange. I have found myself agreeing with Matiang'i and disagreeing with Wetangula and CORD over the approach. I think the schools should remain open. The kids should sleep on trees if possible until the official term ends.

Quote from: RV Pundit on July 28, 2016, 02:38:52 PM
Yeah the correlation looks pretty strong. There is more than meet the eye in these dorm burning.
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Post by: Empedocles on July 28, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: Simanova on July 28, 2016, 03:59:05 PM
Actually while looking at it casually it just stuck me like a hammer in the face.

Kisii is known for exams cheating from the days Onyonka was minister for education. It is a long tradition. The fires started there and its so far holding the record.

Notice something else: Places where an Education Minister or PS ever came from.

I thought I get it wrong with central until I recalled Kamotho from Murang'a.

Could be a coincidence but these fires are strange. I have found myself agreeing with Matiang'i and disagreeing with Wetangula and CORD over the approach. I think the schools should remain open. The kids should sleep on trees if possible until the official term ends.

Quote from: RV Pundit on July 28, 2016, 02:38:52 PM
Yeah the correlation looks pretty strong. There is more than meet the eye in these dorm burning.

Correlation does not imply causation.
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Post by: Real P on July 30, 2016, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: Daily Bread on July 24, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
I've been trying to understand this crazy phenomenon in Kenya. Why are kids burning school dormitories? When we were in school the worst we could think of did not come close to this. Which demons are causing this madness? Children graduating from the affected Kenya schools in this time risk being placed on probation for the rest of their lives. Does this lawlessness come from what the kids see in politicians, dancers, celebs and even religious leaders?


What do you expect from high school kids with raging hormones ? They are just emulating our leaders' approach to solving problems who are setting a bad example by airing their grievances through street demonstrations marred by looting and burning of property.
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Post by: Simanova on July 31, 2016, 11:09:49 PM
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Post by: Kichwa on August 01, 2016, 04:11:09 PM
This requires an emergency cabinet meeting. Why is ouru taking this so lightly?
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Post by: Simanova on August 01, 2016, 05:16:46 PM