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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: sema on September 08, 2024, 02:55:28 AM
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young people should emigrate.. hakuna kazi..Ruto kids are also jobless n hustling
As RV pundit praises ruto here everyday and prays for ruto's dreams and ambitions to come true, 70% of kenyans are jobless with no hope and no future. Ruto is on his own personal quest for wealth acquisition and he honestly appears to be a kleptomaniac.
They is no way he will turn around the country in the three years he has left and 2027 will unfortunately be a dangerous and tense election.
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It got nothing to do with Ruto.
Stop being a simplistic moron.
It just a structural issues that started with kenyans having too much sex and breeding like rats way back in 60/70s/80s/90s.
Now every year we have 1.5m kenyans born.
Available formal jobs are not even 0.1m - annually.
We have gap of 1M plus...
Total formal jobs are 3m - 1m in gov (350k being teachers) - and 2m in private sector.
There is no magic Ruto will use to generate jobs.
Except to encourage kenyans to go abroad and look for jobs.
For example, German are short of people to take care of its old citizens, projecting 7M job deficit.
Now they are saying 700K jobs remain unfilled?
Just take a flight - go work abroad - save money - come back and start business - to employ kenyans.
Ruto should negotiate for those labour deals - and open offices at every sub county - where kenyans can be assisted to process passports, apply for those jobs, etc.
Those willing to go - should go - and those who want to hustle in Kenya - no problem.
young people should emigrate.. hakuna kazi..Ruto kids are also jobless n hustling
As RV pundit praises ruto here everyday and prays for ruto's dreams and ambitions to come true, 70% of kenyans are jobless with no hope and no future. Ruto is on his own personal quest for wealth acquisition and he honestly appears to be a kleptomaniac.
They is no way he will turn around the country in the three years he has left and 2027 will unfortunately be a dangerous and tense election.
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Immigration cannot be a national economic policy while the state officers are displaying opulence and arrogance. Since Mboya airlifts we only have a 3 million figure that keeps being thrown around of Kenyans working and living abroad.
Hasoras have the economic formula frustrated by government taxation and regulation terror all to finance opulence and corruption. And this is where the duplicitous globalist wannabe now in default settings comes in as he said he understands shida ya hasoras and would work to sort out.
Most of those in diaspora are not working so called formal jobs. And abroad jobs agencies have become scammers territory with government officials support.
The government's terror, and crony capital stranglehold on the economy is the reason why Ruto kids cannot run Weston/Amaco and expand it to Rwanda or South Africa. They can only do matatus for fun and wash wash, which they then use police influence to terrorise other hasoras in the sector. Suicidal madness!
So yes globalist wannabe is part of the cancer and all optics are he is the cancer.
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How do 15mil migrate?
The same thing is happening in India.
I remember Moi introduced a policy 3 child per family. Never went anywhere.
Also there needs to be policy to redistribute wealth. 1% holds everything.
Use the taxes to build good schools hospitals , sewer systems. Alliance is the same building as in 1975,
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Such kind of jobs?
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How do 15mil migrate?
The same thing is happening in India.
I remember Moi introduced a policy 3 child per family. Never went anywhere.
Also there needs to be policy to redistribute wealth. 1% holds everything.
Use the taxes to build good schools hospitals , sewer systems. Alliance is the same building as in 1975,
to as many countries as possible...it's better than kenya. Majority countries are now rich than poor. Ndege n getting documents.
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Stop being a simplistic moron.
Its interesting that you refer to me as a simplistic moron, but yet everyday here you are the one praising ruto and telling us what kind of magic he will perform for kenya and how the tribal mathematics will work to ensure he wins (yipee for ruto)
My point is, ruto is just another useless african politician that is corrupt to the core and that is out to enrich himself and his cronies alone and the argument made about him telling kenyans to leave while he steals their taxpayer money is something he utterly fails to get. David Ndii is another one who has kept quiet about state capture.
If ruto was like the late uruguyuan president jose mujica who live an austere life kenyans would be more forgiving.
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Ruto ako sawa.
Forget about him.
Labour export is intellectual input of Ndiis.
It obvious - we need to export excess labour.
As we dont have jobs and have huge backlog.
You cannot come into mess and fix everything.
Things takes times.
This not your 2 bedroom apartment.
This is a country size of France or German.
If you start sweeping Mandera alone ...
Stop being a simplistic moron.
Its interesting that you refer to me as a simplistic moron, but yet everyday here you are the one praising ruto and telling us what kind of magic he will perform for kenya and how the tribal mathematics will work to ensure he wins (yipee for ruto)
My point is, ruto is just another useless african politician that is corrupt to the core and that is out to enrich himself and his cronies alone and the argument made about him telling kenyans to leave while he steals their taxpayer money is something he utterly fails to get. David Ndii is another one who has kept quiet about state capture.
If ruto was like the late uruguyuan president jose mujica who live an austere life kenyans would be more forgiving.
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Lol you are still blaming Ruto and before that Kibaki and Moi. That is a dead-beat horse.
Gdp per capita 2k usd... works to 20k kes monthly per head. Before you factor inequality.
Kenya economic output would have to grow 5X before you can be Turkey or Mexico. I mean grow 10%+ for 40 years like China WITH FLAT POPULATION. At present 3-5% growth and 5-10% new kids... tough luck.
In short, the average person's life will not improve so long as they remain in Kenya. And Africa. This has been as obvious as the sun rises to all negroes dying in the Mediterranean or the English channel.
Realistically sub-replacement level mzungu breed means immigration will actually pick up despite the political noises. Even China is opening up immigration. But only a few Africans - 1,2% - will ever get out of the shithole. Geography is destiny.
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I have never heard of an emigration model of development. Ever.
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It has never, it is not and will never work!
The Philippines is a good example. That country has been exporting labour all over the world for the last 50 years. It is not more developed like any other country in Sout-East Asia. In fact countries like South Korea, Singapore and even Malaysia are more developed than the Philippines.
I have never heard of an emigration model of development. Ever.
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I don't its a model of development.
It is a stop-gap measure to temporarily fix unemployment .
MaJOR Problem with immigration - remittance dies on the next generation.
Your kids abroad will have little to do with kenya.
They will not send money to kenya - and will barely visit it ever.
So it not sustainable model.
I have never heard of an emigration model of development. Ever.
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Philiphine you want to compare with Thailand, Veitnam and Indonesia - maybe Bangladesh and India.
Not Asian Tigers.
They were never similar.
Indians/vets move in millions abroad.
It just that Philiphine made it more formal/official.
Otherwise like Nigerians or Somalis or kenyans they would still move.
It helps if GoK of Kenya recognise like Philiphine that exporting labour is good stop gap measure to fix youth bulge.
Otherwise like you saw with Gen Z - unemployed millions of youths - can burn the country.
It has never, it is not and will never work!
The Philippines is a good example. That country has been exporting labour all over the world for the last 50 years. It is not more developed like any other country in Sout-East Asia. In fact countries like South Korea, Singapore and even Malaysia are more developed than the Philippines.
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Kenya economic output would have to grow 5X before you can be Turkey or Mexico. I mean grow 10%+ for 40 years like China WITH FLAT POPULATION. At present 3-5% growth and 5-10% new kids... tough luck.
In short, the average person's life will not improve so long as they remain in Kenya. And Africa. This has been as obvious as the sun rises to all negroes dying in the Mediterranean or the English channel.
Realistically sub-replacement level mzungu breed means immigration will actually pick up despite the political noises. Even China is opening up immigration. But only a few Africans - 1,2% - will ever get out of the shithole. Geography is destiny.
You have summarized the problem in a very excellent way. I am blaming Ruto for his wanton theft (I believe he is a kleptomaniac) and his empty promises, but the theft and the abductions and killings have turned me off him. So, the next question if you are the president of an African country is what? what to do with this problem? how do you fix it?
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Iwill not encourage any Kenyan over 25 to migrate to anywhre in USA unless they have support. They can end up homeless and deported. It is not the same like when we moved here. Iraqis afghans iranians, Syrians etc compete for the same.
Migration will never work - If it did Philipines whould be very rich.
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Iwill not encourage any Kenyan over 25 to migrate
I disagree. I would migrate, but go to a cheaper state in the south or mid-west. The East and West coasts have become too expensive, but a place like Texas would be fine.
In short, the average person's life will not improve so long as they remain in Kenya. And Africa. This has been as obvious as the sun rises to all negroes dying in the Mediterranean or the English channel.
Too many kenyans are still in denial about this economic fact. They are not willing to take the risk across the meditteranean like west africans.
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Kenya economic output would have to grow 5X before you can be Turkey or Mexico. I mean grow 10%+ for 40 years like China WITH FLAT POPULATION. At present 3-5% growth and 5-10% new kids... tough luck.
In short, the average person's life will not improve so long as they remain in Kenya. And Africa. This has been as obvious as the sun rises to all negroes dying in the Mediterranean or the English channel.
Realistically sub-replacement level mzungu breed means immigration will actually pick up despite the political noises. Even China is opening up immigration. But only a few Africans - 1,2% - will ever get out of the shithole. Geography is destiny.
You have summarized the problem in a very excellent way. I am blaming Ruto for his wanton theft (I believe he is a kleptomaniac) and his empty promises, but the theft and the abductions and killings have turned me off him. So, the next question if you are the president of an African country is what? what to do with this problem? how do you fix it?
Ruto was a certified thief since YK92. So how are you just now turned off? Kenyans still chose him.
Bottom-up and broken promises are universal suffrage problems. Popularity contest guarantees lies and wanton exaggerations. Even here China and Russia are the bogeyman for jobs and unsustainable welfare state.
Benevolent dictatorship is better than universal suffrage for Zamunda. I don't see the upside or "revolution" that GenZ have caused besides torpedoing Rutonomics and downgrading Kenya from B to C junk rating. Besides the tough love to ensure sustainable discipline for 20+ years - FDI at scale is a real card Kenya can play. Which requires strategy, focus and meticulous execution.
Do you see how China has a REAL FUNCTIONING SYSTEM? People just look and see an opaque communist dictatorship. But nope - I see an actual system fit for purpose. They set an agenda based on real data and objectives, and execute top Beijing to local council level. China is actually devolved national, province and municipal - but is glued together by the Party structure with enforcers deployed, assessed and ranked by PERFORMANCE. Read GDP output.
So now you have an overinvested real estate and infrastructure sector - and CPC met and ordered everyone to redirect efforts to tech sector. Until US decided to kneecap Made in China 2025. Efficiency is one thing you can't take from them.
US of course is free economy - company can hire & fire bum! No questions asked. The stellar VC market and global talent mopping...
Kenya must find a working model. I mean beyond CoK2010 or devolution. And attracting FDI - both business and VC - is a very real option. Cause literally there is no competition in Eastern Africa for Kenya. People sing Ruto this and that - without appreciating the effort he put to create excitement here in Silicon Valley for investment. I mean suddenly the White House spox was getting a folder on Kenya before any presser.. after one year of Ruto. So Ambassador and commercial attaches should be very highly vetted positions in GoK - not filled by political rejects. I think Ambassador should have FDI targets.. like China party official GDP targets.
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But of course @sema, development is not exclusively government's job. Most people are useless layabouts who hold no candle to Ruto. Private entrepreneurship for one needs to stand up and be counted.
Ruto can organize those trips to Silcon Valley or Shenzhen or Israel but you must want to attend them.
How many real entrepreneurs are in the Ruto entourage to Beijing?
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FDI at scale and geoeconomics opportunity is a window. It will lapse if say China is crashed or US loses out. The China vs US situation is a real opportunity.
Seize that. And stop calling GenZ looters a revolution. It is HARD to lift that Moody's rating back to B. When fund managers read New York Times first to gauge the climate long before ever hitting the ground.
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Open up new frontiers and send the landless there to farm a specific crop like coffee or citrus fruits
You can do this with 500k households and then invest in agriculture support. 500k new farmers could employee 3 million kenyans
Rapidly urbanized every county location.
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Open up new frontiers and send the landless there to farm a specific crop like coffee or citrus fruits
You can do this with 500k households and then invest in agriculture support. 500k new farmers could employee 3 million kenyans
Rapidly urbanized every county location.
Good thing with most Kenyans is they are willing to do anything for a living.
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The major missing link in kenya development is investment. To create employment there has to be investment, the key is addressing what's hampering investment. And here we mean local investment not the much touted FDIs. Naturally FDI is suppose to supplement local investment, you can market the country all you want but most investors look at whether local investors are investing its the biggest indicator. So long as we have low investment as percentage of GDP https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NI_GDP@AFRREO/SSA/OEXP/OIMP we wont create employment.
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Yes but LOCAL investment is cheap capital which is a function of savings/deposit in banks - which is function of having less dependency - and more money to save - linked to having smaller household (less than 3).
I mean short term - gok can quit borrowing from same pool - and try borrow externally - that might help with banks lending to private sector - but who can lend to GOk external in KES or cheaply - maybe IMF/WB/ADB - meaning public sector investment suffers - meaning bad roads/etc.
So in short - once you have analyze all these things.
Stopgap
1) FDI - ATTRACT CHEAP CAPITAL from Foreigners who can borrow from home country cheaply. Plentiful of capital in advanced countries.
2) Labour export - Go for PLENTIFUL JOBS in foreign countries.
Long term - meet the conditions for economic take off including smaller families, more working people, etc
Then..
1) Public investment - from Pensions & Insurance funds - for long term projects like SGR/Expressways
2) Private investment - from citizen deposits & saving - for onward cheap lending to enterprenuers.
The major missing link in kenya development is investment. To create employment there has to be investment, the key is addressing what's hampering investment. And here we mean local investment not the much touted FDIs. Naturally FDI is suppose to supplement local investment, you can market the country all you want but most investors look at whether local investors are investing its the biggest indicator. So long as we have low investment as percentage of GDP https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NI_GDP@AFRREO/SSA/OEXP/OIMP we wont create employment.
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Does Kenya have an innovation authority? Or a startup-enabling, FDI-pooling body. Israel, UAE and such aggressive countries have one.
I know there is National ICT Authority, etc but not really focused on VC. Perhaps can be re-purposed. ICT is now an old concept not worthy of a governmental body.
In the end building stuff is tough job. Which makes culture and work ethic equally important. If RV Pundit is afraid to run startup... how about average Otieno?
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Does Kenya have an innovation authority? Or a startup-enabling, FDI-pooling body. Israel, UAE and such aggressive countries have one.
I know there is National ICT Authority, etc but not really focused on VC. Perhaps can be re-purposed. ICT is now an old concept not worthy of a governmental body.
In the end building stuff is tough job. Which makes culture and work ethic equally important. If RV Pundit is afraid to run startup... how about average Otieno?
Kibaki is the only one who had a serious ICT dept.
These others may sound like they do but they hire villagers who cant spell ICT
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To create employment there has to be investment
Who would want to invest in such a corrupt environment and in a country that experiences frequent electricity blackouts? There's a reason Asian countries are attracting so much of the investment. You have to build the infrastructure first and make an attempt to create a rule of law environment so people know that their investments would be safe.
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To create employment there has to be investment
Who would want to invest in such a corrupt environment and in a country that experiences frequent electricity blackouts? There's a reason Asian countries are attracting so much of the investment. You have to build the infrastructure first and make an attempt to create a rule of law environment so people know that their investments would be safe.
Kenya is better than most countries in Africa. We actually beat SA and Nigeria in startup capital. According to data Kenya led Africa with $800m in 2023. Which of course is a very small figure compared to Asia. Afrika iko shida.
CoK2010 actually leapfrogged rule of law metric with independent judiciary, DPP, etc. Infra has done well since Kibaki - it's the reason for the huge debt. You have enough roads and powerlines. Infra and laws can only go so far. You cannot mandate innovation for instance... there are many moving pieces dependent on daily decision making and policy.
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Hasoras have already invested serious cash in their hustles. Industrial area is now dead. The government role is to stay away from business by having fewer regulations, papers creating loopholes for corruption.
The police, KRA, KeBS are government arms trained to terrorize hustlers.
Musk captures this perfectly.
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1833347271003718107
If this is the start-up magnet of the world where Musk is building a giant rocket faster than papers are moving from one desk to another, you know understand why it is terror for Kenyan hasoras.
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Hasoras have already invested serious cash in their hustles. Industrial area is now dead. The government role is to stay away from business by having fewer regulations, papers creating loopholes for corruption.
The police, KRA, KeBS are government arms trained to terrorize hustlers.
Musk captures this perfectly.
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1833347271003718107
If this is the start-up magnet of the world where Musk is building a giant rocket faster than papers are moving from one desk to another, you know understand why it is terror for Kenyan hasoras.
😃 Musk is Trump's cheerleader. He is drumming up the "government efficiency commission" that Trump has promised him.
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Hasoras have already invested serious cash in their hustles. Industrial area is now dead. The government role is to stay away from business by having fewer regulations, papers creating loopholes for corruption.
The police, KRA, KeBS are government arms trained to terrorize hustlers.
Musk captures this perfectly.
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1833347271003718107
If this is the start-up magnet of the world where Musk is building a giant rocket faster than papers are moving from one desk to another, you know understand why it is terror for Kenyan hasoras.
😃 Musk is Trump's cheerleader. He is drumming up the "government efficiency commission" that Trump has promised him.
Look at twitter - chaos chaos and more chaos. That will be the standard.
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These PowerPoint slides and folders by naive Whitman keep singing how the Gen Z are an opportunity for sillyconners while the youngings are saying they are broke/ living dead because of corruption and no respect for the rule of law from the State House to the abductions agents.
Sensible investors worry more about court orders than Gen Z protests asking for accountability. Paris has a vibrant protest culture and is thriving.
Kenya must find a working model. I mean beyond CoK2010 or devolution. And attracting FDI - both business and VC - is a very real option. Cause literally there is no competition in Eastern Africa for Kenya. People sing Ruto this and that - without appreciating the effort he put to create excitement here in Silicon Valley for investment. I mean suddenly the White House spox was getting a folder on Kenya before any presser.. after one year of Ruto. So Ambassador and commercial attaches should be very highly vetted positions in GoK - not filled by political rejects. I think Ambassador should have FDI targets.. like China party official GDP targets.
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Apart from Trumpists in US, the anti-immigration wave is catching on.
Having functional just hasora socio-economics is becoming the only solution for mwafrika as we cross the 1.5 billion population.
The German government is looking for new ways to deter irregular migration, as the parties in Olaf Scholz's coalition reel from regional election defeats and a shift to the right in the country's political debate.
Now a new proposal has come from the leader of the party that has suffered the most drastic erosion of voter numbers: Christian Lindner, head of the neoliberal Free Democratic Party (FDP), whose Finance Ministry is currently "checking whether it is technically and legally possible" to stop asylum-seekers sending the benefits they get in Germany back to their own countries.
More and more politicians in Germany favor paying asylum-seeker benefits in kind via a payment card, rather than cash. The German government's commissioner for migration agreements, Joachim Stamp, has already called for such a move, which is supported by Scholz as well as all of Germany's state leaders.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-government-mulls-limiting-migrant-remittances/a-67213316
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Immigration is the only solution for most young people for the foreseeable future. I don't know why folks berate it yet it's a well known fact that you can tell which family has a kid abroad by just looking at their living standard. Growing up all you had to do back in the village was follow that telephone landline and it mostly led to the well to do folks in society. The probability was that it would lead you to a nice permanent built home and the family either had the father working a good job in government or the kids were abroad.
Personally in my family I made a decision to only take kids directly to university if I know there are Job prospects after graduation. I did so after helping my oldest nephew train as an air traffic controller and he couldn't get a decent paying job around 05. I sent him to Dubai and today the boy makes a decent living with his wife and two kids. Since then I have sent over 15 kids to various middle eastern countries from Bahrain,Qatar,Oman and most have gone on to do very well. So it's a no brainer, you can have a kid graduate and work for 10 k a month in Kenya or send them out where at least they have a chance in life.
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I wonder how many Kenyans are out there - % . Only a handful of Global Southerners can fit into the west before the hue and cry here is unbearable. Trump is already planning a crackdown.
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I wonder how many Kenyans are out there - % . Only a handful of Global Southerners can fit into the west before the hue and cry here is unbearable. Trump is already planning a crackdown.
I"ve heard ranges from as low as 200K kenyans in the US to as high as 800K (not sure what the real number is though)
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Western countries no longer want immigrants.
Didnt Ruto say that German wanted 250k Kenyans???