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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Githunguri on May 31, 2024, 03:07:53 AM
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https://results.elections.org.za/dashboards/npe/
ANC 42.9%
DA 23.36%
M.K. 10.28%
EFF 9.55%
SA Parliament elects the president. You need 50%.
Ramaphosa needs Zuma or Malema 10% to form Government. Somebody here will be paid $1BN USD.
Second alternative is for opposition to strike deal and form coalition gov.That would make billions for zuma and malema.
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:o Uh? Noone will be paid anything.
MK is just rebranded IFP of Mongosuthu Buthelezi - it was just a matter of time tribal chief Zuma took over Zulu who are angry, entitled akin to Kenyan Luo. Nothing new here - only shame is this will marginalize them again. The upside it ups pressure on incompetent ANC to perform or perish.
Coalitions
Noone will partner with right-wing mzungu-friendly DA. ANC and EFF are aligned on most things - economics, land rights, Palestine, etc. Expect Malema to join ANC cabinet as land redistribution minister. They are big enemies with Zuma not Ramaphosa.
DA is right-wing and libertarian (pro-business, pro-rich).
ANC, EFF are left-wing and socialist.. ANC is more reasonable pro-business. EFF is full welfare-socialist, gay-hugging hard-left.
MK is left-wing tribal Zulu party.
Sadly none of these will solve SA's gazillion problems soon. The best party to rule would be DA but don't hold your breath. SA cannot hold a candle to Kenya or her neighbors Botswana, Namibia.
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The loser here is DA, WHICH Garnered a 99% White Vote and about 5% black vote after fronting all kinds of games, including Mzungus speaking ZULU and all the local dialects in the Obama-style campaign. Mzungus better stop dreaming of taking SA anytime soon. I think ANC will have to MORPH into EFF to remain more muscular slowly. Still, if they were to perform, cut massive corruption, end electricity issues, and skyrocketing crime, the old Mandela party would quickly return to 60% + win again. Getting 43% with such extreme incompetency/poor performance over the years means SA and ANC are the same. I think Zuma's MK and Malema's EFF will get a significant share in the coalition Government.
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The loser here is DA, WHICH Garnered a 99% White Vote and about 5% black vote after fronting all kinds of games, including Mzungus speaking ZULU and all the local dialects in the Obama-style campaign. Mzungus better stop dreaming of taking SA anytime soon. I think ANC will have to MORPH into EFF to remain more muscular slowly. Still, if they were to perform, cut massive corruption, end electricity issues, and skyrocketing crime, the old Mandela party would quickly return to 60% + win again. Getting 43% with such extreme incompetency/poor performance over the years means SA and ANC are the same. I think Zuma's MK and Malema's EFF will get a significant share in the coalition Government.
Zuma vs ANC, EFF animosity is too much, I don't see him joining. They don't need nor want him. MK will remain secluded tribal party.
ANC incompetence and rot is genetic so expect slow, painful death. DA coalition will win power in the future.
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You do not know what you are talking about. In Municipalities elections, folks will vote DA because of service delivery. Just like we did in Johannesburg. Come national, ANC SHALL prevail including in parliament in cape-town. Take that to the bank. Lekota's COPE tried it and failed. Winnie Mandela failed. Cyril will rule for another 4 years.
https://results.elections.org.za/dashboards/npe/
ANC 42.9%
DA 23.36%
M.K. 10.28%
EFF 9.55%
SA Parliament elects the president. You need 50%.
Ramaphosa needs Zuma or Malema 10% to form Government. Somebody here will be paid $1BN USD.
Second alternative is for opposition to strike deal and form coalition gov.That would make billions for zuma and malema.
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Young mwafrika are shiet. No agency to vote. With the unemployment they should voice their frustrations on the ballot.
It is even crazy that in Kenya, hasoras who had agency to vote are being ridiculed by buggers who never voted. The jest on 'tugokira tene' rallying call should be the anthem for all young voters.
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https://x.com/BBCAfrica/status/1796555830717714818
'We want to avoid a coalition with the radical left in South Africa, of the MK party and EEF'.
The leader of South Africa's main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance (DA), John Steenhuisen debates possible coalitions with
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Malaya politics. They are ready to overlook ANC corruption they have been singing about.
Likely ANC old timers will kick Ramaphosa out and deal with Malema and Zuma. More umalaya.
https://x.com/BBCAfrica/status/1796555830717714818
'We want to avoid a coalition with the radical left in South Africa, of the MK party and EEF'.
The leader of South Africa's main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance (DA), John Steenhuisen debates possible coalitions with
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Zuma to Ramaphosa-i'll oust you through protests.
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ANC-DA would be the best for SA. Center-right coalition. Voters would see the better governance of DA who presently run the Western Cape and Cape Town: the most prosperous region and metropolis. The saving grace since mzungu.
Umalaya would be DA-MK-EFF who are oil & water. DA is free-market libertarian while EFF is hard-left wacko socialist.
Of course, the ultimate tragedy is the "coalition of doom" taking shape. The incompetent Ramaphosa, corrupt Zuma, unhinged Malema - this combo would torpedo SA to Zimbabwe slum level. The best party is DA: the sooner South Africans wake up and smell the coffee the better for them.
ANC needs to kick out useless Ramaphosa - if he doesn't resign in shame - his deputy Paul Mashatile is relatively untainted by their nauseating federal failures. Mwafrika needs to acknowledge his incapacity and butt off. I hope they lock up Zuma too for the arms deal scandal.
God save SA!
Malaya politics. They are ready to overlook ANC corruption they have been singing about.
Likely ANC old timers will kick Ramaphosa out and deal with Malema and Zuma. More umalaya.
https://x.com/BBCAfrica/status/1796555830717714818
'We want to avoid a coalition with the radical left in South Africa, of the MK party and EEF'.
The leader of South Africa's main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance (DA), John Steenhuisen debates possible coalitions with
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Zuma to Ramaphosa-i'll oust you through protests.
I really hope this PIG is locked up for the many cases lined up in court. These and Kabilas are the barbarians that hold back Africa.
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EFF
rants demands include free services - education, medical, power, etc - on top of nationalisation of land, mines, etc. These communist psycho's would destroy SA.
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ANC-DA not happening - ANC hawk Lindiwe Sisulu won't have it
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
Lol. Zuma's key demand is immunity from prosecution for his crimes.
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
Lol. Zuma's key demand is immunity from prosecution for his crimes.
With his 15% arresting zuma is creating an an ANTI ANC terror group.Umkhonto Wesizwe,I don't think ramaphosa can repeat that knowing very well people may come for him after he exits power.
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
Lol. Zuma's key demand is immunity from prosecution for his crimes.
With his 15% arresting zuma is creating an an ANTI ANC terror group.Umkhonto Wesizwe,I don't think ramaphosa can repeat that knowing very well people may come for him after he exits power.
Unlike the DoJ the SA prosecutor is independent. Ramaphosa can only pardon him but cannot stop the cases. By the way even the 2022 pardon was rejected by court - the sleazebag is [illegally] free on medical grounds. Riots in Kondele KwaZulu-Natal do not affect the prosecutor. The courts also banned him from holding elective office so he cannot even be an MP.
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
Lol. Zuma's key demand is immunity from prosecution for his crimes.
With his 15% arresting zuma is creating an an ANTI ANC terror group.Umkhonto Wesizwe,I don't think ramaphosa can repeat that knowing very well people may come for him after he exits power.
Unlike the DoJ the SA prosecutor is independent. Ramaphosa can only pardon him but cannot stop the cases. By the way even the 2022 pardon was rejected by court - the sleazebag is [illegally] free on medical grounds. Riots in Kondele KwaZulu-Natal do not affect the prosecutor. The courts also banned him from holding elective office so he cannot even be an MP.
ANC Lost right?
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The cheapest of them is Zuma. Just give him a 18 year old Zulu virgin and enough money to keep him busy for the next 5 years and the man will retraet to Nkandla.
Lol. Zuma's key demand is immunity from prosecution for his crimes.
With his 15% arresting zuma is creating an an ANTI ANC terror group.Umkhonto Wesizwe,I don't think ramaphosa can repeat that knowing very well people may come for him after he exits power.
Unlike the DoJ the SA prosecutor is independent. Ramaphosa can only pardon him but cannot stop the cases. By the way even the 2022 pardon was rejected by court - the sleazebag is [illegally] free on medical grounds. Riots in Kondele KwaZulu-Natal do not affect the prosecutor. The courts also banned him from holding elective office so he cannot even be an MP.
ANC Lost right?
15% is not sufficient for immunity, nothing is, at least SA has this one right. ANC-EFF-IFP is loading.. MK and DA have ruled themselves out with implaccable demands.
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IFP says it is a deal with DA+ANC. It is all about fake order and stability, market.
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DA to get deputy speaker and cabinet slots. Despite some party resistance Ramaphosa preferred DA to intransigent EFF and MK.
IFP is a sprinkling to neuter Zulu MK.
Cyril Ramaphosa re-elected South African president after ANC, DA reach deal
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/14/south-africas-parliament-choosing-president-amidst-uncertainty
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DA demands deputy president, foreign and economy slots
South Africa’s coalition government hits early hurdle
https://www.ft.com/content/6164736f-7548-4564-b991-cd1760551ec8
I think Ramaphosa should give them economy and trade but not foreign affairs. They would want to dump China like Ruto.
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Seem ANC has shortchanged DA and retained all senior posts: finance, foreign affairs, trade, land, mines.
DA gets home affairs, public works, agriculture - so they can fight corruption, fix infrastructure, prop white farmers and tame immigration.
SA's geopolitics is unlikely to change but they might have better management.
South Africa's new coalition government unveiled
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw9yx5w9577o
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SA is a failed state due to horrible horrible politicians who don’t care about the regular people
Recoiled shit and calling it new and improved
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SA is a failed state due to horrible horrible politicians who don’t care about the regular people
Recoiled shit and calling it new and improved
Here it is a case of treasonous unpatriotism. Jacob Zuma, the man principally responsible for the meltdown, thinks he is somehow qualified to lead a new tribal party. Instead of retiring in shame.
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SA is a failed state due to horrible horrible politicians who don’t care about the regular people
Recoiled shit and calling it new and improved
Here it is a case of treasonous unpatriotism. Jacob Zuma, the man principally responsible for the meltdown, thinks he is somehow qualified to lead a new tribal party. Instead of retiring in shame.
South Africans need to rise up and go after people like him instead of looting. But they elected him back even after the mess he created 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼
But it’s not only Africa- look at republicans
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SA is a failed state due to horrible horrible politicians who don’t care about the regular people
Recoiled shit and calling it new and improved
Here it is a case of treasonous unpatriotism. Jacob Zuma, the man principally responsible for the meltdown, thinks he is somehow qualified to lead a new tribal party. Instead of retiring in shame.
South Africans need to rise up and go after people like him instead of looting. But they elected him back even after the mess he created 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼
But it’s not only Africa- look at republicans
At least America is long developed to stand Rethug nonsense. DA in charge of police now need to send Zuma to prison for his long list of crimes. He is in the same dish as Trump.
The worst thing about SA is that this is not even genuine change - ANC vote simply shifted to EFF and MK. Change would be electing DA at 40% to lead the government. That would properly shock ANC into real introspection.