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Title: Power Corrupts
Post by: Githunguri on June 17, 2023, 01:42:37 PM
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Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: patel on June 17, 2023, 05:20:54 PM
Which CS? Alice Wahome? This is a damn Shame. Am sure she is planning to steal that money to pay for the house. Ruto need to bring his government to order. CS and police abusing power in kenya kwanza government.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 17, 2023, 10:49:23 PM
CS Bore of Kericho. Ameoshwa 100m.
Which CS? Alice Wahome? This is a damn Shame. Am sure she is planning to steal that money to pay for the house. Ruto need to bring his government to order. CS and police abusing power in kenya kwanza government.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on June 18, 2023, 10:54:02 AM
There is incredible thirst to own property in Karen among Rutos politicians,Wanajikaanga kwa tamaa yao,Karen used to be a serene environment, you had to have a minimum 10 acres to reside there but nowadays its just another Eastlands, The Catholic church owns most land followed by whites,John keen families is responsible for cutting them land in 50 by 100 then old school Kikuyus,Nyachaes there and Gideon Moi i guess
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 18, 2023, 12:06:31 PM
Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 18, 2023, 12:07:43 PM
Karen is cheapest place in Nairobi upper class. Land prices are still affordable. So for new money - they will rush there. Muthaigas are impossible to buy. Karen you can still get an acre for 60-80m. Damn I remember when it was 8-15m. Many of my work colleagues were buying.

Now places like Gigiri or Muthaiga or Kitusurus or lower kabete - 1/2 acre will set you for 50-100m - or price of an acre in Karen.  Acre is 100m mi - 200m mostly.

There is incredible thirst to own property in Karen among Rutos politicians,Wanajikaanga kwa tamaa yao,Karen used to be a serene environment, you had to have a minimum 10 acres to reside there but nowadays its just another Eastlands, The Catholic church owns most land followed by whites,John keen families is responsible for cutting them land in 50 by 100 then old school Kikuyus,Nyachaes there and Gideon Moi i guess
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: sema on June 18, 2023, 07:14:39 PM
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Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.

Will he return the 10 M deposit?

Kenya is just too gangsta for me. I don't know how people survive there.

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We know how it goes:
1. Pay 10%
2. Award seller a deal or tender
(Which most likely was not forthcoming as the government is dead broke)
3. No one can allow you to occupy the house, with only 10% paid
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: audacityofhope on June 18, 2023, 09:44:56 PM
Buffoon,
Do you have to be explained to by a lawyer before you realize that what you just posted is hogwash?
Where on this globe or who occupies a property with 10% paid to seller????

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18 June 2023 - 16:28
Lawyer Miguna Miguna has reacted to a statement by Labour and Social Protection CS Florence Bore in which she sought to set the record straight on the controversy surrounding the purchase of a house in Karen.

The CS said the deal was above board and was signed in conformity with the law on a willing seller willing buyer basis before she moved in upon payment of a ten per cent deposit of the agreed price.

But the outspoken lawyer said acknowledgement of agreement and payment of deposit does not grant the buyer the right to occupy a property.

"This is not correct. An acknowledgement of an offer is not a sale and doesn’t give anyone the right to enter, take possession of and occupy another person’s property," Miguna said.

"A 10 per cent deposit doesn’t entitle you occupancy before you satisfy all the terms of sale, pay the balance, then you are given the keys in exchange of final payment."

Read more at:Deposit doesn't give right of occupancy, Miguna on Karen house (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-06-18-deposit-doesnt-give-right-of-occupancy-miguna-on-karen-house/)

Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on June 18, 2023, 11:21:50 PM
10% should get you in the house if bank has gotten financing anywhere in the globe. I don't know much about Kenya morgage/financing, but should be the same for sr Govt employees who enjoy special morgage financing unlike the rest of population. It looks like 90M offer was accepted then few hours later another higher offer popped.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on June 18, 2023, 11:28:45 PM
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Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.

Will he return the 10 M deposit?

Kenya is just too gangsta for me. I don't know how people survive there.

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We know how it goes:
1. Pay 10%
2. Award seller a deal or tender
(Which most likely was not forthcoming as the government is dead broke)
3. No one can allow you to occupy the house, with only 10% paid
They manage to survive somehow. I bought my first house in 2006 and on closing day, we signed 30 years morgage at 3% interest. Instead of paying down payment of 20%, we got 18K check instead to furnish the house. America is the place to be everyday! 15 later we finished the house early and was 3X the price we bought. Everything is straight forward with zero hustles/stress followed by instant services. Kenya you still have to bribe even if you are doing legitimate stuff!
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 19, 2023, 03:25:48 AM
Kumbe Kumbe fool,
Miguna Miguna is terrible lawyer - but good activist.
Sales agreement have terms.
Some of them include IMMEDIATE possession after payment of 10% deposit.
You see such clauses
" The Purchaser shall take immediate possession of the aforesaid land”
Otherwise it will be written upon full completion of payment.
http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/226722/


Buffoon,
Do you have to be explained to by a lawyer before you realize that what you just posted is hogwash?
Where on this globe or who occupies a property with 10% paid to seller????

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18 June 2023 - 16:28
Lawyer Miguna Miguna has reacted to a statement by Labour and Social Protection CS Florence Bore in which she sought to set the record straight on the controversy surrounding the purchase of a house in Karen.

The CS said the deal was above board and was signed in conformity with the law on a willing seller willing buyer basis before she moved in upon payment of a ten per cent deposit of the agreed price.

But the outspoken lawyer said acknowledgement of agreement and payment of deposit does not grant the buyer the right to occupy a property.

"This is not correct. An acknowledgement of an offer is not a sale and doesn’t give anyone the right to enter, take possession of and occupy another person’s property," Miguna said.

"A 10 per cent deposit doesn’t entitle you occupancy before you satisfy all the terms of sale, pay the balance, then you are given the keys in exchange of final payment."

Read more at:Deposit doesn't give right of occupancy, Miguna on Karen house (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-06-18-deposit-doesnt-give-right-of-occupancy-miguna-on-karen-house/)

Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: audacityofhope on June 19, 2023, 04:28:46 AM
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Turn out she just paid 10M; Mp owner of the house; said no deal; as he got a better deal.

Will he return the 10 M deposit?

Kenya is just too gangsta for me. I don't know how people survive there.

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We know how it goes:
1. Pay 10%
2. Award seller a deal or tender
(Which most likely was not forthcoming as the government is dead broke)
3. No one can allow you to occupy the house, with only 10% paid
They manage to survive somehow. I bought my first house in 2006 and on closing day, we signed 30 years morgage at 3% interest. Instead of paying down payment of 20%, we got 18K check instead to furnish the house. America is the place to be everyday! 15 later we finished the house early and was 3X the price we bought. Everything is straight forward with zero hustles/stress followed by instant services. Kenya you still have to bribe even if you are doing legitimate stuff!
You have lived in America all these years and you are still challenged understanding English or American English for that matter. What Miguna said was a clear explanation, and I emphasized the same. You do not take possession with 10%. If a Bank gives you mortgage of 90%, the SELLER IS PAID the full amount and you the buyer now have to deal with the bank on how you will repay the 90% (or whatever) and any accruing interest on what has been advanced to you. If the buyer defaults, it is not the seller who will repossess the property but whoever gave the mortgage! The seller is out of the picture: received all his money and vacated.

The buffoon is here fudging words purporting them to have been lifted them off a sale agreement like none of us on this wall have ever signed a sales agreement. Matter of fact this is the reason a sale agreement should involve a lawyer (so there sre no grey areas) of which the buffoon is not. Not worth my time to respond!
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: sema on June 19, 2023, 08:06:28 AM
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They manage to survive somehow.

Yes, but with a lot of stress, high blood pressure, depression, alcoholism, sadistic behavior, etc, etc

Why would anyone even a bank allow one to take ownership of a house after only 10% down in a country like Kenya? and with a politically connected person? That has 24/7 AP protection? even the bank won't get the house back.

I can see why people just opt to buy land and build their own house slowly by slowly

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Been receiving a lot of information about CS Florence Bore but this one seems to be very interesting 🤔 <a href="https://t.co/jrFI6Mnfb1">pic.twitter.com/jrFI6Mnfb1</a></p>&mdash; Cyprian, Is Nyakundi (@C_NyaKundiH) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Kadudu on June 19, 2023, 09:50:26 AM
All these discussions lead to nothing as long as CS Bore cannot table the sale agreement. MP Muiru has challenged her to table the sale agrement and even in her own words the CS confesses of not having a bank to to credit her the rest 90% of what she is to pay.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 19, 2023, 11:51:36 AM
Kwani we have court of law huko kwa social media or what do you mean MP has challenged her to table the sale agreement.

Hii mambo ni ya korti.

Let the two parties go to court. Get court order to evict her.

We are done here when we knew she was broke trying to get money to buy a house. We were only interested if she had some 100M corrupt cash and had bought the house.

If she is struggling to get financing - then ako sawa - she should be congratulated for struggling to nail a financing deal like everyone else - and not carry NSSF billions in her handbag.

All these discussions lead to nothing as long as CS Bore cannot table the sale agreement. MP Muiru has challenged her to table the sale agrement and even in her own words the CS confesses of not having a bank to to credit her the rest 90% of what she is to pay.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: patel on June 19, 2023, 01:28:23 PM
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Kwani we have court of law huko kwa social media or what do you mean MP has challenged her to table the sale agreement.

Hii mambo ni ya korti.

Let the two parties go to court. Get court order to evict her.

We are done here when we knew she was broke trying to get money to buy a house. We were only interested if she had some 100M corrupt cash and had bought the house.

If she is struggling to get financing - then ako sawa - she should be congratulated for struggling to nail a financing deal like everyone else - and not carry NSSF billions in her handbag.

All these discussions lead to nothing as long as CS Bore cannot table the sale agreement. MP Muiru has challenged her to table the sale agrement and even in her own words the CS confesses of not having a bank to to credit her the rest 90% of what she is to pay.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Georgesoros on June 19, 2023, 03:34:28 PM
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They manage to survive somehow.

Yes, but with a lot of stress, high blood pressure, depression, alcoholism, sadistic behavior, etc, etc

Why would anyone even a bank allow one to take ownership of a house after only 10% down in a country like Kenya? and with a politically connected person? That has 24/7 AP protection? even the bank won't get the house back.

I can see why people just opt to buy land and build their own house slowly by slowly

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Been receiving a lot of information about CS Florence Bore but this one seems to be very interesting 🤔 <a href="https://t.co/jrFI6Mnfb1">pic.twitter.com/jrFI6Mnfb1</a></p>&mdash; Cyprian, Is Nyakundi (@C_NyaKundiH) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like Trump???
Always stiffs working class, and wants everything for free.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 19, 2023, 05:02:35 PM
Hiyo ni panganga ya ODM.
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: patel on June 19, 2023, 08:31:46 PM
ODM and Raila ghost everywhere....what does ODM has to do with a whole CS nyakuaring someone house? You think Raila sent her???kumbaff

Ruto is a good man. He does not consume alcohol but why surround yourself with these High IQ women like Florence Bure, Millicent Omanga, Karen Nyamu etc etc ?

Hiyo ni panganga ya ODM.
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 19, 2023, 08:42:31 PM
Hiyo ni tabia ya ODM.
Learn to defend the TRUTH and stop LYNCHING people out of nothing but tribal hate .
The seller is well known crook who stole millions from NHIF -- which he used to acquire 100M property in karen.
The seller is not only an MP but powerful official in UDA...who led election processes.
The CS did not enter the house by force.
The Seller allowed CS to enter the house - there is no report of breakage.
While CS was looking for money - Seller find another buyer willing to buy at 20-30m more.
There is report of attempted fail eviction.

Hence this drama - of I was evicted out of a house - I am poor hustler - CS has 100M and was recently hired.

This story is DEAD.  The details should be handled in Milimani Law Court in a civil case.

Leave CS Bore alone.

I was against her personally when 100M story erupted but I have seen it's was just smear campaign against her by greedy rogue corrupt Wakili the Mp of Gatanga.

ODM and Raila ghost everywhere....what does ODM has to do with a whole CS nyakuaring someone house? You think Raila sent her???kumbaff

Ruto is a good man. He does not consume alcohol but why surround yourself with these High IQ women like Florence Bure, Millicent Omanga, Karen Nyamu etc etc ?

Hiyo ni panganga ya ODM.
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: patel on June 20, 2023, 04:34:58 AM
High IQ is blinding you fool...listen to yourself for a minute...
So you with your high IQ knows this MPig victim is a thief who stole money from NHIF but Gachagua nor Ruto with NSIS resources they dont know that...it gets worst...they appoint him to oversee UDA elections...what do you expect? More thieves. My fren you and Itumbi give UDA a bad name. Tower of thieves. Ruto need to clean up this government. I understand most seats he gave those who stood by him but they are failing him big time.
Hiyo ni tabia ya ODM.
Learn to defend the TRUTH and stop LYNCHING people out of nothing but tribal hate .
The seller is well known crook who stole millions from NHIF -- which he used to acquire 100M property in karen.
The seller is not only an MP but powerful official in UDA...who led election processes.
The CS did not enter the house by force.
The Seller allowed CS to enter the house - there is no report of breakage.
While CS was looking for money - Seller find another buyer willing to buy at 20-30m more.
There is report of attempted fail eviction.

Hence this drama - of I was evicted out of a house - I am poor hustler - CS has 100M and was recently hired.

This story is DEAD.  The details should be handled in Milimani Law Court in a civil case.

Leave CS Bore alone.

I was against her personally when 100M story erupted but I have seen it's was just smear campaign against her by greedy rogue corrupt Wakili the Mp of Gatanga.

ODM and Raila ghost everywhere....what does ODM has to do with a whole CS nyakuaring someone house? You think Raila sent her???kumbaff

Ruto is a good man. He does not consume alcohol but why surround yourself with these High IQ women like Florence Bure, Millicent Omanga, Karen Nyamu etc etc ?

Hiyo ni panganga ya ODM.
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Githunguri on June 20, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
I think Bore stole 90MN from government tender kickback... to clean up gave Muriu 90MN in cash while Muriu was to give him the house,The deal was that when the bank processes and pays Muriu the 90MN cost of the house, Muriu was to send the 90MN cash or part of it back to Bore...Muriu felt fucked up and demanded 120MN because he knew the CS Bore is a thief...Muriu wanted a bigger share...He then went into hiding while bore took over the house...he invited the media to ensure Bore would not assasinate him or his family.

So in short Bore was trying to clean up stolen money through a bank loan after making a cash settlement with Muriu..very stupid.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 20, 2023, 09:17:37 AM
Ruto is not God to know people hearts n past deeds.Let these two crooks fight in court of law and your do odm panganga too
High IQ is blinding you fool...listen to yourself for a minute...
So you with your high IQ knows this MPig victim is a thief who stole money from NHIF but Gachagua nor Ruto with NSIS resources they dont know that...it gets worst...they appoint him to oversee UDA elections...what do you expect? More thieves. My fren you and Itumbi give UDA a bad name. Tower of thieves. Ruto need to clean up this government. I understand most seats he gave those who stood by him but they are failing him big time.
Hiyo ni tabia ya ODM.
Learn to defend the TRUTH and stop LYNCHING people out of nothing but tribal hate .
The seller is well known crook who stole millions from NHIF -- which he used to acquire 100M property in karen.
The seller is not only an MP but powerful official in UDA...who led election processes.
The CS did not enter the house by force.
The Seller allowed CS to enter the house - there is no report of breakage.
While CS was looking for money - Seller find another buyer willing to buy at 20-30m more.
There is report of attempted fail eviction.

Hence this drama - of I was evicted out of a house - I am poor hustler - CS has 100M and was recently hired.

This story is DEAD.  The details should be handled in Milimani Law Court in a civil case.

Leave CS Bore alone.

I was against her personally when 100M story erupted but I have seen it's was just smear campaign against her by greedy rogue corrupt Wakili the Mp of Gatanga.

ODM and Raila ghost everywhere....what does ODM has to do with a whole CS nyakuaring someone house? You think Raila sent her???kumbaff

Ruto is a good man. He does not consume alcohol but why surround yourself with these High IQ women like Florence Bure, Millicent Omanga, Karen Nyamu etc etc ?

Hiyo ni panganga ya ODM.
Not soon. The problem is bigger and unless she is fired the problem shifts to appointing authority and vetting system. Where did they find this flawed character and how did she pass through the vetting process. Bribery. They should audit her 200m wealth. Krimino
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: patel on June 20, 2023, 07:50:31 PM
 Anything is possible in Kenya....sad part os that these are the leaders we have and expecting to deliver....

I think Bore stole 90MN from government tender kickback... to clean up gave Muriu 90MN in cash while Muriu was to give him the house,The deal was that when the bank processes and pays Muriu the 90MN cost of the house, Muriu was to send the 90MN cash or part of it back to Bore...Muriu felt fucked up and demanded 120MN because he knew the CS Bore is a thief...Muriu wanted a bigger share...He then went into hiding while bore took over the house...he invited the media to ensure Bore would not assasinate him or his family.

So in short Bore was trying to clean up stolen money through a bank loan after making a cash settlement with Muriu..very stupid.
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: audacityofhope on June 21, 2023, 10:02:05 PM
Kumbe Kumbe fool,
Miguna Miguna is terrible lawyer - but good activist.
Sales agreement have terms.
Nye nye nyeee........
So MM is a terrible lawyer huh? How come on Monday CS Bore vacated Karen?
A member on this forum was spot on ... 'You are a 60 year old yet (unashamedly) you choose to support someone solely because they come from your tribe'. Shindwe. You must have a 'terrible' flaw to call others "fool" while supporting such blatant character put on public display.

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New details have emerged revealing that Labour CS Florence Bore vacated the controversial Karen home on Monday.
A spot-check by Citizen TV at the Karen home on Wednesday showed the house was vacant.

Read more at: CS Bore vacates controversial Karen house (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-06-21-cs-bore-vacates-controversial-karen-house/)
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 21, 2023, 10:29:28 PM
If I was CS Bore - I would cut my losses. Assuming she is corrupt - what is 100m - when you run NSSF - with a tamed Atwoli :) Huyu mama must have been advised to get serious and stop embarrasing herself.

NSSF run trillions in assets. He can acquire many properties if she is corrupt.

If she is not - I expect to see her in Milimani court to recover 10% deposit. Stupid low IQ will celebrate honest struggle of someone trying to find financing in banks - kesho when she start banking 100m daily - you CRY.

She run NSSF - and she will if she decide to be corrupt become very rich...buying 100m house every month.

Kumbe Kumbe fool,
Miguna Miguna is terrible lawyer - but good activist.
Sales agreement have terms.
Nye nye nyeee........
So MM is a terrible lawyer huh? How come on Monday CS Bore vacated Karen?
A member on this forum was spot on ... 'You are a 60 year old yet (unashamedly) you choose to support someone solely because they come from your tribe'. Shindwe. You must have a 'terrible' flaw to call others "fool" while supporting such blatant character put on public display.

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New details have emerged revealing that Labour CS Florence Bore vacated the controversial Karen home on Monday.
A spot-check by Citizen TV at the Karen home on Wednesday showed the house was vacant.

Read more at: CS Bore vacates controversial Karen house (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-06-21-cs-bore-vacates-controversial-karen-house/)
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Githunguri on June 22, 2023, 02:21:27 AM
Anything is possible in Kenya....sad part os that these are the leaders we have and expecting to deliver....

I think Bore stole 90MN from government tender kickback... to clean up gave Muriu 90MN in cash while Muriu was to give him the house,The deal was that when the bank processes and pays Muriu the 90MN cost of the house, Muriu was to send the 90MN cash or part of it back to Bore...Muriu felt fucked up and demanded 120MN because he knew the CS Bore is a thief...Muriu wanted a bigger share...He then went into hiding while bore took over the house...he invited the media to ensure Bore would not assasinate him or his family.

So in short Bore was trying to clean up stolen money through a bank loan after making a cash settlement with Muriu..very stupid.

She will steal money,hide it in dubai trough proxy...after getting the loan..then she sells the property to the proxy (her company in dubai) for 300MN..then the proxy wires money back to her in Kenya...she clears the loan and is left with 200MN clean money..she invests in agriculture and manufacturing...thats why they are all trooping to dubai.

Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: Kadudu on June 22, 2023, 09:51:21 AM
At least good to see Pundit humbled himself to admit his villagemate Bore was wrong. Now he is advicing her on her to steal silently. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Power Corrupts
Post by: RV Pundit on June 22, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
No I didnt advice her to steal - I just made a remark that she can steal millions.

I advised her to go to court or settle this out of court - as long as she get back some of that deposit.

Obviously she stayed in someone house and that must be deducted including any destruction of property.

She should be very happy if she get half of that money back - legal fees and all - with cost her half.

At least good to see Pundit humbled himself to admit his villagemate Bore was wrong. Now he is advicing her on her to steal silently. :D :D :D