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Title: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 12, 2022, 06:17:01 PM
....hunger desperation no rains 4 years straight,gatheca economics of the rich and neglect, all development went to nyanza,have made Meru the most desperate county in Kenya in need of serious intervention
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Kadudu on October 12, 2022, 06:26:01 PM
 :D :D :D
After almost 20 years of being at the centre of power, Meru folk have nothing to show of it. Now crying more than the bereaved people of Nyanza and Western who never had the chance of having a bedroom in SH.

....hunger desperation no rains 4 years straight,gatheca economics of the rich and neglect, all development went to nyanza,have made Meru the most desperate county in Kenya in need of serious intervention
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: hk on October 12, 2022, 06:34:04 PM
....hunger desperation no rains 4 years straight,gatheca economics of the rich and neglect, all development went to nyanza,have made Meru the most desperate county in Kenya in need of serious intervention
La nina is real, it hasn't rained properly for 1yr. It goes to show how depended Meru is on agriculture.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 12, 2022, 06:46:45 PM
:D :D :D
After almost 20 years of being at the centre of power, Meru folk have nothing to show of it. Now crying more than the bereaved people of Nyanza and Western who never had the chance of having a bedroom in SH.

....hunger desperation no rains 4 years straight,gatheca economics of the rich and neglect, all development went to nyanza,have made Meru the most desperate county in Kenya in need of serious intervention
Kadudu don't laugh life is bad and miserable in Meru while lack of rains contributed fcucking UHURU broke the back of the camel. Its baaad
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 12, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
I think worst part was uhuru hidding the drought for politics.

Ruto has to face this head on.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on October 12, 2022, 11:12:14 PM
Rains/droughts have nothing to do with the lack of food in today's marketplace. Other economic forces and policies are more dangerous. I agree Uhuru's economic policies have been severe to Meru and other regions, but I disagree on the lack of Rain. Some areas NEVER rain in California for decades, but foods are here in plenty. You can never run out of milk, bread, flour, or any type of food from all over the world in the US, partly because of good roads, 24/7 electricity, industrialization, jobs, money in people's hands, and an Amazing supply chain, etc. I think poverty in Meru, UG, Nyanza, and most parts of Kenya is not because of rains; for the most part, I agree it is because of years of poor economic policies that have churned out poor people with no money in the last few decades. If people in Meru had money, companies and traders would be willing to supply food and all people's needs. Lack of money and a false sense of dependence on Rain for food is hurting Kenya. Energy (Petrol, electricity, etc.) is a big deal in the economy and needs to be addressed like yesterday. I think if petrol was reduced to 100 shillings a litter, and electricity be available in 90% of Meru, Rain could miss for decades, but people will not lack food.
A Chinese lady sells international foods in my neighborhood, selling about 5-7 items from Kenya. Unga, Ketepa, Royco, and a few things, but she never runs out because she has a consistent market. People in California have money because most have been paid every Friday or every other Friday for the last 100+years. With cash at hand, demand and supply forces work magic in that people will always go above and beyond to supply anything moneyed people need.
 As long as people had plenty of money, other people called traders would always supply the area with anything. That is why desert Saudi Arabia and Gulf have plenty of food despite no rain. It boils down to money circulation, energy, and other factors except for rain/drought.
Opening the road network all over Kenya was the first start, though not complete; now we need to manufacture things, companies to hire people, electricity everywhere, and a lot of other interventions that put consistent money in people's pockets.
By the way, Nyanza has the most Rain, but the food supply is also a big problem. 4 in 10 people in Nyanza are hungry right now!
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: lelewela on October 12, 2022, 11:29:59 PM
Meru is over populated, land subdivided to to very small kashambas, so solution is to stop land subdivisions create several Urban centers, Maua, Nkubu, Timau and free up the land for large scale  commercial farming.
Otherwise sisi hapa karibu from upande za laikapia will use you as maids and porters :)
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 12, 2022, 11:35:00 PM
For its mostly about money; maasai or turkana will never farm; but they sell one cow; if they are serious; can buy one year supply of food; but they are uneducated morons who will squander the money

one big bull of 100k can feed a family for one year...

Rains/droughts have nothing to do with the lack of food in today's marketplace. Other economic forces and policies are more dangerous. I agree Uhuru's economic policies have been severe to Meru and other regions, but I disagree on the lack of Rain. Some areas NEVER rain in California for decades, but foods are here in plenty. You can never run out of milk, bread, flour, or any type of food from all over the world in the US, partly because of good roads, 24/7 electricity, industrialization, jobs, money in people's hands, and an Amazing supply chain, etc. I think poverty in Meru, UG, Nyanza, and most parts of Kenya is not because of rains; for the most part, I agree it is because of years of poor economic policies that have churned out poor people with no money in the last few decades. If people in Meru had money, companies and traders would be willing to supply food and all people's needs. Lack of money and a false sense of dependence on Rain for food is hurting Kenya. Energy (Petrol, electricity, etc.) is a big deal in the economy and needs to be addressed like yesterday. I think if petrol was reduced to 100 shillings a litter, and electricity be available in 90% of Meru, Rain could miss for decades, but people will not lack food.
A Chinese lady sells international foods in my neighborhood, selling about 5-7 items from Kenya. Unga, Ketepa, Royco, and a few things, but she never runs out because she has a consistent market. People in California have money because most have been paid every Friday or every other Friday for the last 100+years. With cash at hand, demand and supply forces work magic in that people will always go above and beyond to supply anything moneyed people need.
 As long as people had plenty of money, other people called traders would always supply the area with anything. That is why desert Saudi Arabia and Gulf have plenty of food despite no rain. It boils down to money circulation, energy, and other factors except for rain/drought.
Opening the road network all over Kenya was the first start, though not complete; now we need to manufacture things, companies to hire people, electricity everywhere, and a lot of other interventions that put consistent money in people's pockets.
By the way, Nyanza has the most Rain, but the food supply is also a big problem. 4 in 10 people in Nyanza are hungry right now!
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 12, 2022, 11:37:43 PM
We are dealing with poverty of the mental kind. The people begging for food can sell their goats or sheeps or just one cow.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on October 13, 2022, 12:19:02 AM
For its mostly about money; maasai or turkana will never farm; but they sell one cow; if they are serious; can buy one year supply of food; but they are uneducated morons who will squander the money

one big bull of 100k can feed a family for one year...

Rains/droughts have nothing to do with the lack of food in today's marketplace. Other economic forces and policies are more dangerous. I agree Uhuru's economic policies have been severe to Meru and other regions, but I disagree on the lack of Rain. Some areas NEVER rain in California for decades, but foods are here in plenty. You can never run out of milk, bread, flour, or any type of food from all over the world in the US, partly because of good roads, 24/7 electricity, industrialization, jobs, money in people's hands, and an Amazing supply chain, etc. I think poverty in Meru, UG, Nyanza, and most parts of Kenya is not because of rains; for the most part, I agree it is because of years of poor economic policies that have churned out poor people with no money in the last few decades. If people in Meru had money, companies and traders would be willing to supply food and all people's needs. Lack of money and a false sense of dependence on Rain for food is hurting Kenya. Energy (Petrol, electricity, etc.) is a big deal in the economy and needs to be addressed like yesterday. I think if petrol was reduced to 100 shillings a litter, and electricity be available in 90% of Meru, Rain could miss for decades, but people will not lack food.
A Chinese lady sells international foods in my neighborhood, selling about 5-7 items from Kenya. Unga, Ketepa, Royco, and a few things, but she never runs out because she has a consistent market. People in California have money because most have been paid every Friday or every other Friday for the last 100+years. With cash at hand, demand and supply forces work magic in that people will always go above and beyond to supply anything moneyed people need.
 As long as people had plenty of money, other people called traders would always supply the area with anything. That is why desert Saudi Arabia and Gulf have plenty of food despite no rain. It boils down to money circulation, energy, and other factors except for rain/drought.
Opening the road network all over Kenya was the first start, though not complete; now we need to manufacture things, companies to hire people, electricity everywhere, and a lot of other interventions that put consistent money in people's pockets.
By the way, Nyanza has the most Rain, but the food supply is also a big problem. 4 in 10 people in Nyanza are hungry right now!
Agree, but in Kenya, even people with 10 acres can go hungry because of brain disease. Food distribution, refrigeration, and supply chain are still down kabisa in Kenya. What is even more down is akili of people. In some places in Elgeyo Marakwet, vegetables like Sukuma, managu, potatoes, and cabbage are dirt cheap. 100 shillings would buy you one sack of managu or Sukuma, while in Nairobi, it would cost over 1000. In Kamagut, especially in my place, my family never has a problem with vegetables and mahindi because they cultivate and irrigate acres of spinach, cabbage and Sukuma, but it is not commercially viable because neighbors do the same. If you try to take it 100 0r 200 kilometers away for sale, the cost of transportation will eat the bottom line.
Kenya is where one area could be hungry, and 100 miles away, there could be a surplus. Very strange! But has been like that since the 1970s. Those with plenty cannot serve those with a deficit because they have no money!
I think supermarkets need to link with local farmers and make contracts as they perfected in the US.
In the US, major supermarkets sell local produce from local farmers, for the most part, so you will see a tomato farmer dedicated to one supermarket for decades. With experience, the farmer improves to precise efficiency after a few years.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Kadudu on October 13, 2022, 10:53:41 AM
Njuri, actually meru County is very rich. Look at the expenses incurred by your now governor in the years 2019/2020 when she was an MP. iPhpne for 300K :o, anointing oil from Israel 2.7M :o etc. Then you are compalining the county is poor.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 13, 2022, 11:03:52 AM
If that is true then Meru is going down
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 13, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
I don't understand why pastoralists cannot sell one cow stock enough cereals for the year...sacks of maize,beans,rice, sugar... rather than watch the animals die...I think education is a problem.. illiterate person is irrational
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on October 13, 2022, 01:33:26 PM
I don't understand why pastoralists cannot sell one cow stock enough cereals for the year...sacks of maize,beans,rice, sugar... rather than watch the animals die...I think education is a problem.. illiterate person is irrational
In their local areas there are no consistent buyers willing to pay top money for a cow. I have been buying cows from relatives and neighbors for decades for school fees purposes. Initially, I use to pay 20-30K, especially in Jan when the market is flooded. Now that I have enough and am reluctant to buy, sellers are still willing to sell it below 20K. In the village right now, you can buy a full cow for 15-20K. I'm sure in drought-prone areas where animals die, you can buy them way cheaply. Money is very scarce in Kenya! I think about 10% of Kenya have money with the bottom 50% flat broke! People with cars drive them about a week in a month. And yes, most Kenyans earning below 100K go broke about a few hours to 5 days after receiving their salary! A combination of Fuliza, betting, pombe, etc is decapitating Kenya!
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 13, 2022, 01:41:27 PM
Yes the same with land - I have had to literally stop - because they were finishing my money - there is always someone willing to sell their parcel of land - shida they are tiny pieces and expensive.

The problem is economic is not generating income - money - it's still mostly farming for own consumption.

As for cattle - I think markets for cattle is huge - as Nairobi people buy cows - at least where I come from - cow is sold immediately - bought by local butchers - but we dont have many cows.

In their local areas there are no consistent buyers willing to pay top money for a cow. I have been buying cows from relatives and neighbors for decades for school fees purposes. Initially, I use to pay 20-30K, especially in Jan when the market is flooded. Now that I have enough and am reluctant to buy, sellers are still willing to sell it below 20K. In the village right now, you can buy a full cow for 15-20K. I'm sure in drought-prone areas where animals die, you can buy them way cheaply. Money is very scarce in Kenya! I think about 10% of Kenya have money with the bottom 50% flat broke! People with cars drive them about a week in a month. And yes, most Kenyans earning below 100K go broke about a few hours to 5 days after receiving their salary! A combination of Fuliza, betting, pombe, etc is decapitating Kenya!
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on October 13, 2022, 01:56:19 PM
On land and houses, everything is speculative in Kenya. The land is expensive, but once you buy and build something, like a house for rent, you will recover costs incurred in about 20-30 years. Worthless to invest. One acre in the village is about 3m now, but don't try to cultivate or build things to generate income. You will easily spend 100 million but returns will come slowly and painfully for 20-30 years. There is no need to buy a plot in Nairobi and build it because you will spend a cool billion only to get a cool billion in returns after 30 years. Kenya's economy is not a fully free market driven by demand and supply forces; many folks are putting their thumbs on the scale.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
....hunger desperation no rains 4 years straight,gatheca economics of the rich and neglect, all development went to nyanza,have made Meru the most desperate county in Kenya in need of serious intervention
La nina is real, it hasn't rained properly for 1yr. It goes to show how depended Meru is on agriculture.
Perfectly put,Merus over reliance on agriculture has been there down fall. Indeed that made them rich but we are in a new era where agriculture is not sufficient,this is the dark reality.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
Njuri, actually meru County is very rich. Look at the expenses incurred by your now governor in the years 2019/2020 when she was an MP. iPhpne for 300K :o, anointing oil from Israel 2.7M :o etc. Then you are compalining the county is poor.
This was propaganda from Kiraitus people,Kawira is a hustler mashinani she wouldn't spend on stuff like that she doesn't even know what an iphone is :)
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 02:14:58 PM
If that is true then Meru is going down
Meru is already down and needs a Marshal plan,however the above by kadudu is mere Kiraitus propaganda.
Merus need move into other activities agriculture kwisha,Merus were proud farmers but not anymore.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Georgesoros on October 13, 2022, 02:20:02 PM
MERU was the one of the country's bread basket. What happened?
Poor leadership. Why not use county funds to develop the main resource - agri
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Georgesoros on October 13, 2022, 02:22:16 PM
On land and houses, everything is speculative in Kenya. The land is expensive, but once you buy and build something, like a house for rent, you will recover costs incurred in about 20-30 years. Worthless to invest. One acre in the village is about 3m now, but don't try to cultivate or build things to generate income. You will easily spend 100 million but returns will come slowly and painfully for 20-30 years. There is no need to buy a plot in Nairobi and build it because you will spend a cool billion only to get a cool billion in returns after 30 years. Kenya's economy is not a fully free market driven by demand and supply forces; many folks are putting their thumbs on the scale.

Olicy makers allowed land to become so expensive and everyone started dividing subdividing triple dividing. Its now unproductive.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
Meru is over populated, land subdivided to to very small kashambas, so solution is to stop land subdivisions create several Urban centers, Maua, Nkubu, Timau and free up the land for large scale  commercial farming.
Otherwise sisi hapa karibu from upande za laikapia will use you as maids and porters :)
Meru really is not over pooulated its only that most meru are densely populated around all fertile areas thus cutting down farmlands. There is vast land north and west taht can be well utilized to be productive for other economic activities,this is way forward.
Meanwhile laikipia also has a problems you rely on food from Meru and Karatina but expect Merus there anyway to come and do all lowly jobs including kuskuma wheelbarrow
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 13, 2022, 04:01:39 PM
We need serious irrigation as an emergency - we cannot depend on rain forever.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 04:07:30 PM
We need serious irrigation as an emergency - we cannot depend on rain forever.
We need to forcefully transfer people in cities and towns  like china does then convert the rest of country into farmland. Add GMO food and people will survive,Ruto GMO food is first step to save us,desert countries like Namibia Botswana,arab countries rely on it uko hakuna njaa and they are all desert.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 13, 2022, 04:08:52 PM
We need serious irrigation as an emergency - we cannot depend on rain forever.

pesa hakuna. mwizi ruto amenyakua yote
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 13, 2022, 04:22:49 PM
MERU was the one of the country's bread basket. What happened?
Poor leadership. Why not use county funds to develop the main resource - agri
Its a long story but main theme is over reliance on agri business which initially made merus rich . most farming relied on rainfall but due to climatic condition and hard economic mismanagement last 4 years it has culminated in this dire situation,am 100% for GMO farming its the future
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Kadudu on October 13, 2022, 04:36:32 PM
You think GMO plants do not need water?

Have you ever been to Namibia or Botswana? Just because people there get food does not mean there is no njaa. Kwani you think GMO is also in those countries?

Ok transfer Pokots to Meru Town and I hope you can keep them busy.

We need ro forcefully transfer people in cities like china does then convert the rest of country into farmland. Add GMO food and people will survive,Ruto GMO food is first step to save us,desert countries like Namibia Botswana,arab countries rely on it uko hakuna njaa and they are all desert.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 16, 2022, 08:55:06 AM
You think GMO plants do not need water?

Have you ever been to Namibia or Botswana? Just because people there get food does not mean there is no njaa. Kwani you think GMO is also in those countries?

Ok transfer Pokots to Meru Town and I hope you can keep them busy.

We need ro forcefully transfer people in cities like china does then convert the rest of country into farmland. Add GMO food and people will survive,Ruto GMO food is first step to save us,desert countries like Namibia Botswana,arab countries rely on it uko hakuna njaa and they are all desert.
Yes been to thise countries,am well travelled my friend the only countries haven't visited are west and central africa.
Namibia and Botswana are almost same dry countries with no rains but have zero hunger we experience here in Kenya. GMO Is way to go GMO foods and even animals will make hunger a thing of past,we need those broiler chickens retailing at 200 bob per kilo them and pork need to be the cheapest meats. They can easily be produced en masse like they do in Asia and Europe. Then we eat them with noodles,rice and spaghetti another cheap food which should retail at 30 bob per packet.
Of course luhyas will be against this as no ugali is there but this way to go,cheap plenty food for all,rice,noodles, spaghetti,pork and chicken with just 200 shilling a family of 5 can sleep full.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 16, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
Exactly Njuri. There is really no good reason to go hungry in this century. We can mass produce chicken and pigs - and make those meats dirty cheap like everywhere else.The same with cereals. We need to fix land ownership, security, and irrigation of the wild north.

We need to serious intervention in maize/rice/chicken/pig mass production by giving big investors free land like Kulana - we build the dams - and give them water.

You think GMO plants do not need water?

Have you ever been to Namibia or Botswana? Just because people there get food does not mean there is no njaa. Kwani you think GMO is also in those countries?

Ok transfer Pokots to Meru Town and I hope you can keep them busy.

We need ro forcefully transfer people in cities like china does then convert the rest of country into farmland. Add GMO food and people will survive,Ruto GMO food is first step to save us,desert countries like Namibia Botswana,arab countries rely on it uko hakuna njaa and they are all desert.
Yes been to thise countries,am well travelled my friend the only countries haven't visited are west and central africa.
Namibia and Botswana are almost same dry countries with no rains but have zero hunger we experience here in Kenya. GMO Is way to go GMO foods and even animals will make hunger a thing of past,we need those broiler chickens retailing at 200 bob per kilo them and pork need to be the cheapest meats. They can easily be produced en masse like they do in Asia and Europe. Then we eat them with noodles,rice and spaghetti another cheap food which should retail at 30 bob per packet.
Of course luhyas will be against this as no ugali is there but this way to go,cheap plenty food for all,rice,noodles, spaghetti,pork and chicken with just 200 shilling a family of 5 can sleep full.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 16, 2022, 12:02:23 PM
Exactly Njuri. There is really no good reason to go hungry in this century. We can mass produce chicken and pigs - and make those meats dirty cheap like everywhere else.The same with cereals. We need to fix land ownership, security, and irrigation of the wild north.

We need to serious intervention in maize/rice/chicken/pig mass production by giving big investors free land like Kulana - we build the dams - and give them water.

You think GMO plants do not need water?

Have you ever been to Namibia or Botswana? Just because people there get food does not mean there is no njaa. Kwani you think GMO is also in those countries?

Ok transfer Pokots to Meru Town and I hope you can keep them busy.

We need ro forcefully transfer people in cities like china does then convert the rest of country into farmland. Add GMO food and people will survive,Ruto GMO food is first step to save us,desert countries like Namibia Botswana,arab countries rely on it uko hakuna njaa and they are all desert.
Yes been to thise countries,am well travelled my friend the only countries haven't visited are west and central africa.
Namibia and Botswana are almost same dry countries with no rains but have zero hunger we experience here in Kenya. GMO Is way to go GMO foods and even animals will make hunger a thing of past,we need those broiler chickens retailing at 200 bob per kilo them and pork need to be the cheapest meats. They can easily be produced en masse like they do in Asia and Europe. Then we eat them with noodles,rice and spaghetti another cheap food which should retail at 30 bob per packet.
Of course luhyas will be against this as no ugali is there but this way to go,cheap plenty food for all,rice,noodles, spaghetti,pork and chicken with just 200 shilling a family of 5 can sleep full.
A packet of indomie noodles retails at just 30 bob for me to get full I eat 2 packets just 60 bob and a fried/boiled egg 15 shillings whenever am hungry and on the rush in the field, am a big guy and it gets me full, now simple maths family of 5 would require the the big pack consisting of 5 packets at 110 shillings then if they eat 5 eggs at 15 bob a egg its 75 so with 200 shillings a family shouldn't sleep hungry,even now most going hungry coz they are after unga ya ugali which 200 bob cant buy.
But now Kenyans we have a poor food culture those noodles and indomies just sit in the supermarket for ages no real man can buy them I just shake my head when I hear someone went hungry when indomie and sossi at 35 bob is in the shops and supermarket,we just know maize maize and nothing else if maize doesn't come from north rift then we starve .
Spaghetti 1 packet at 500g can easily feed a family of 5 with enough calories.
Now this is where  we need to be Mzito Ruto already has experience,chiken farming should be done in large scale those broiler chickens should retail at 200-300 shillings and pork the same,I have been in UK and Denmark and seen thow they do intensive farming for those 2 animals,pigs are kept in small cages no more 1 by 1 meter in an area like 50 by 100 plot the Kenyans love one can put up to 200 pigs in a multiple story settings,these are very cheap to produce our government should concentrate on this excess will be exported to china and elsewhere where demand is always higher
After this Kenyans wil be compelled to eat other foods,rice,pasta actually maize farming should be left on its own if its collapses well and good but instead of farmers just harvesting maize and being paid peanuts by middle men the farmers shoud be given priority to farm new crops, government give them buy back guarantee of like 5 years Kenyans then will have forgotten maize and ugali.
Main thing now is intensive farming of chicken and pork, and introduction of GMO food crops,this is what Mzito should prioritize.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 16, 2022, 12:40:35 PM
In Asia where there is serious overpopulation,the population survives on GMO food especially in china and India without it those countries would have millions of people die from hunger,we will have to embrace GMO if we like it or not. Kadudu can have his favourite ugali from GMO maize laced with chicken flavour    :D i believe thats possible with GMO As you can flavour a crop   and so on if Luhyas refuse to diversify into other foods but in mlima there is simply no options.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: RV Pundit on October 16, 2022, 01:50:39 PM
I agree with that - we have to do both - large production supported by small holders - so Ruto need to invite the big guys in china or europe to come set up a million birds or pig farms - then set up small holder farms - for people to provide them - allow GMO - allow free imports of inputs including animals feeds.

The same with finishing beef through feedlots. A million cows die every year in drought - that is like a billion dollars down the drain.

In Asia where there is serious overpopulation,the population survives on GMO food especially in china and India without it those countries would have millions of people die from hunger,we will have to embrace GMO if we like it or not. Kadudu can have his favourite ugali from GMO maize laced with chicken flavour    :D i believe thats possible with GMO As you can flavour a crop   and so on if Luhyas refuse to diversify into other foods but in mlima there is simply no options.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: audacityofhope on October 16, 2022, 02:35:41 PM
In Asia where there is serious overpopulation,the population survives on GMO food especially in china and India without it those countries would have millions of people die from hunger,we will have to embrace GMO if we like it or not. Kadudu can have his favourite ugali from GMO maize laced with chicken flavour    :D i believe thats possible with GMO As you can flavour a crop   and so on if Luhyas refuse to diversify into other foods but in mlima there is simply no options.
Take your lies elswehere. GMO for human consumption have never seen the light of day in Asian countries. In Asia the only GMO is Cotton while gmo maize (about 30%) is all Animal feed.

Consumers have been very firm in saying NO ...

No in Japan...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/819/large/crppd_For_Japan_Page.png)
Consumer Union of Japan protests against the non-regulation of genome-edited foods on 25 September 2019. Photo: Consumers Union of Japan

No in Philippines...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/822/large/For_Philippines_Page.png)

No in China...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/818/large/GP0STPI6S_High_res.JPG)

No in India ....
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/821/large/For_India_Page_Image1.jpeg)
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 16, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
In Asia where there is serious overpopulation,the population survives on GMO food especially in china and India without it those countries would have millions of people die from hunger,we will have to embrace GMO if we like it or not. Kadudu can have his favourite ugali from GMO maize laced with chicken flavour    :D i believe thats possible with GMO As you can flavour a crop   and so on if Luhyas refuse to diversify into other foods but in mlima there is simply no options.
Take your lies elswehere. GMO for human consumption have never seen the light of day in Asian countries. In Asia the only GMO is Cotton while gmo maize (about 30%) is all Animal feed.

Consumers have been very firm in saying NO ...

No in Japan...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/819/large/crppd_For_Japan_Page.png)
Consumer Union of Japan protests against the non-regulation of genome-edited foods on 25 September 2019. Photo: Consumers Union of Japan

No in Philippines...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/822/large/For_Philippines_Page.png)

No in China...
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/818/large/GP0STPI6S_High_res.JPG)

No in India ....
(https://grain.org/system/attachments/sources/000/006/821/large/For_India_Page_Image1.jpeg)
Why would I lie for something all over internet and known world over,you selected a few that oppose GMO but truth is below

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2022/01/china-pushes-ahead-with-gmo-crops-to-safeguard-food-security/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_in_Asia
Now look for something else brother because you will eat GMO food in 4 years time.
 
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: audacityofhope on October 16, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Why would I lie for something all over internet and known world over,you selected a few that oppose GMO but truth is below

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2022/01/china-pushes-ahead-with-gmo-crops-to-safeguard-food-security/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_in_Asia
Now look for something else brother because you will eat GMO food in 4 years time.
 
You certainly have a language comprehension problem if you can post a link that clearly states "GM corn and rice varieties ... never achieved commercialization, partly due to consumer opposition. Cotton is the only GM crop that is ... grown".
Why won't you respect the opinion of consumers?

Secondly you are picking on an article written by one Joseph Maina to articulate China policy. How would you feel if an outsider wrote something on Kenya posing to understand Kenya policy better than ourselves?  Poor choice of propaganda.

There was so much resistance to covid vaccine in this country. Good luck with GMOs. If you so dare, why 4 years? Why not one? You will unwittingly be inviting back teargas Mondays and this won't be child's play this time because this wont be an Azimio thing but protests across the board - .with KK taking the lead.
Title: Re: Meru County,the most poorest County in Kenya,once was richest
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on October 20, 2022, 04:25:45 PM
Why would I lie for something all over internet and known world over,you selected a few that oppose GMO but truth is below

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2022/01/china-pushes-ahead-with-gmo-crops-to-safeguard-food-security/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_in_Asia
Now look for something else brother because you will eat GMO food in 4 years time.
 
You certainly have a language comprehension problem if you can post a link that clearly states "GM corn and rice varieties ... never achieved commercialization, partly due to consumer opposition. Cotton is the only GM crop that is ... grown".
Why won't you respect the opinion of consumers?

Secondly you are picking on an article written by one Joseph Maina to articulate China policy. How would you feel if an outsider wrote something on Kenya posing to understand Kenya policy better than ourselves?  Poor choice of propaganda.

There was so much resistance to covid vaccine in this country. Good luck with GMOs. If you so dare, why 4 years? Why not one? You will unwittingly be inviting back teargas Mondays and this won't be child's play this time because this wont be an Azimio thing but protests across the board - .with KK taking the lead.
Like it or not YOU WILL consume GMO food in the next 3 years straight grown form kenya,GM0 is food security gone are the days mother earth can provide for everything, as we speak, Njuri is on a tour in Europe to research this ,am always ahead,  I want to be one of the major providers of GMO so that our people never go hungry again.  keep watch! stay tuned!