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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nowayhaha on July 17, 2022, 11:37:02 AM
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https://www.rt.com/news/559117-tony-blair-ukraine-china/
For the first time in modern history the East can be on equal terms with the West, as the global dominance of the US and its allies comes to an end, former British prime minister Tony Blair has said.
Due to the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic and the conflict in Ukraine, “for a large part of the Western population, living standards are stagnating,” Blair noted in his annual lecture at the Ditchley Foundation on Saturday.
“Western politics is in turmoil – more partisan, ugly, unproductive; and fueled by social media,” which affects both domestic and international affairs, Blair said, arguing that Russia’s military operation in Ukraine “should become a pivot point reviving our [Western] sense of mission.”
However, according to the 69-year-old, who led the UK government from 1997 to 2007, “the biggest geopolitical change of this century will come from China not Russia.”
“We are coming to the end of Western political and economic dominance. The world is going to be at least bi-polar and possibly multi-polar,” he predicted.
China, which is “already the world’s second superpower,” will compete with the West “not just for power but against our system, our way of governing and living,” the Labour politician warned. Beijing “will not be alone. It will have allies. Russia now for sure. Possibly Iran.”
“It is the first time in modern history that the East can be on equal terms with the West,” he added.
The former premier said the events in Ukraine have made it clear the West “cannot rely on the Chinese leadership to behave in the way we would consider rational. Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying in the near term that China would attempt to take [the self-governed island of] Taiwan by force. But we can't base our policy on the certainty that it wouldn't.”
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In order to stay relevant in the new environment, the West needs to develop a common strategy, “pursued with coordination, commitment and competence,” with higher defense spending to “maintain military superiority” while expanding so-called “soft power” by building ties with developing countries, Blair concluded.
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Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
Chart
Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
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RVHH , some of us have been priviledged to live in the West in the 90s 2000s and 2010s and now 2020s .
Its true West has been on the decline and East is on the upward trend.
China rules in Africa and South America .
Take example of Kenya , Who do you think amongst China and Western Govt calls the shots.
Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
Chart
Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
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China is a new curve ball that US has no response to.Its huge, populated and lives in equally populated south Asia.US became superpower recently..it clocking 100yrs.Before that Brits for like 50yrs.China has been superpower for the rest of 18 centuries since Jesus was born.They are now superpower with US.That is why US and EU Sanctions of Russia misfired.What remain is how long US can keep pace with China... before China rise to be the lone superpower
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Most of Kenyans in Western Cities are brainwashed.The media system has really made them believe Western Countries are indispensable.
RVs history classes make him have a wider perspective of what is happening.
Empires have always risen and eventually they fall. Simple mistakes lile what is happening now.Germany tose because of cheap russian energy now they will sanction it and Russia will just sell it cheaply to China who then will have an advantage in the global.wotld with cheaper products.
Actually majority of Kenyan petroleuem products come from processed oil in China.
But then again RVHH still believes U.S. is the 90s U.S.
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RVHH , some of us have been priviledged to live in the West in the 90s 2000s and 2010s and now 2020s .
Its true West has been on the decline and East is on the upward trend.
China rules in Africa and South America .
Take example of Kenya , Who do you think amongst China and Western Govt calls the shots.
Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
Chart
Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
The west and America decline is a myth that has been in existence since 1800s. Read published articles in 1920s and 1980s. It is similar to the articles published in 2020s. After Berlin conference of 1885, Belgium was calling shots in Congo, while British was ruling Kenya. China's stint in Kenya, like past powers will dissipate in no time, but US will continue dominating the globe for quite sometimes as history has shown. America companies like Boeing are calling shots in China and globally. China now has the largest fleet of Boeing 737 planes in the world!
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RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
RVHH , some of us have been priviledged to live in the West in the 90s 2000s and 2010s and now 2020s .
Its true West has been on the decline and East is on the upward trend.
China rules in Africa and South America .
Take example of Kenya , Who do you think amongst China and Western Govt calls the shots.
Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
Chart
Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
The west and America decline is a myth that has been in existence since 1800s. Read published articles in 1920s and 1980s. It is similar to the articles published in 2020s. After Berlin conference of 1885, Belgium was calling shots in Congo, while British was ruling Kenya. China's stint in Kenya, like past powers will dissipate in no time, but US will continue dominating the globe for quite sometimes as history has shown. America companies like Boeing are calling shots in China and globally. China now has the largest fleet of Boeing 737 planes in the world!
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Most of Kenyans in Western Cities are brainwashed.The media system has really made them believe Western Countries are indispensable.
RVs history classes make him have a wider perspective of what is happening.
Empires have always risen and eventually they fall. Simple mistakes lile what is happening now.Germany tose because of cheap russian energy now they will sanction it and Russia will just sell it cheaply to China who then will have an advantage in the global.wotld with cheaper products.
Actually majority of Kenyan petroleuem products come from processed oil in China.
But then again RVHH still believes U.S. is the 90s U.S.
Quit watching Russia Today propaganda and read peer-reviewed articles throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. US decline remains a myth! Russia was roaming Africa back in the day better than the Chinese today, but they are still economically at the bottom. China will roam Africa as well but will not squeeze much from Africa, as history has shown time and time again!
With the march of an apparent Soviet juggernaut across vast swathes of Africa and Asia, the 1970s sowed even greater alarm among US observers. In a famous March 1975 essay advising the United States to “go into opposition” at the United Nations, Daniel Moynihan observed that it “regularly finds itself in a minority (often a minority of one or two or at most a half-dozen) in [the General Assembly] of 138 members … We are witnessing the emergence of a world order dominated arithmetically by the countries of the Third World.”
At the end of 1978, national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski gave an interview to the New York Times summarising his worldview. While he did not endorse the declinist thesis of the time, he did not temper his concern when asked to identify “the principal threats to the United States in the future.” The “worst problem of all,” he explained, “is the possibility” that the ongoing “increase in Soviet power” “would intersect” with “the disintegration of political fabric” in “an arc of instability” traversing Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Indonesia.
Three weeks later, in an interview with Time, Henry Kissinger assessed that with the “Soviet march through Africa, with Cuban troops, from Angola to Ethiopia, and the Soviet moves through Afghanistan and South Yemen,” the geopolitical momentum had turned against the United States. Echoing Brzezinski, he warned of “a confluence of Communist organisation and radical currents which together [could] produce major historical changes.”
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RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
RVHH , some of us have been priviledged to live in the West in the 90s 2000s and 2010s and now 2020s .
Its true West has been on the decline and East is on the upward trend.
China rules in Africa and South America .
Take example of Kenya , Who do you think amongst China and Western Govt calls the shots.
Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
Chart
Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
The west and America decline is a myth that has been in existence since 1800s. Read published articles in 1920s and 1980s. It is similar to the articles published in 2020s. After Berlin conference of 1885, Belgium was calling shots in Congo, while British was ruling Kenya. China's stint in Kenya, like past powers will dissipate in no time, but US will continue dominating the globe for quite sometimes as history has shown. America companies like Boeing are calling shots in China and globally. China now has the largest fleet of Boeing 737 planes in the world!
Airbus is a western French aircraft that survives courtesy of Boeing. China switching to Airbus is like sucking left nipples and then switching to the right one! It is one of the same-Western Aircraft dominating Chinese skies!
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The official timeline of China eclipsing US nominal GDP is 2028. Already China has overtaken us in many fronts: domestic infra, foreign infra, trade, donor, etc. China is almostly single-handedly keeping Iran and Russia afloat against US-led sanctions.
As China takes over, their clubs like SCO, AIIB, BRICS+ will supplant US version. Fence-sitters and freeloaders like Turkey or EU or India will align and ignore the US.
Great Britain fell catastrophically during the Suez Canal standoff in 50s... the UK was suddenly exposed as nothing compared to the US and the Soviets. In a decade or so the US will get a rude awakening, when we issue a sanctions or other hit order and noone complies. A mini-play of this occurred in 2014 when the UK and Israel signed on to the AIIB despite Obama's express wishes.
Sanctions are simple: which market can't you live without - US or China? The US has been working overtime to thwart China but I don't see any tangible results. Tibet, Hong Kong now Uygur bla de bla.
China is a new curve ball that US has no response to.Its huge, populated and lives in equally populated south Asia.US became superpower recently..it clocking 100yrs.Before that Brits for like 50yrs.China has been superpower for the rest of 18 centuries since Jesus was born.They are now superpower with US.That is why US and EU Sanctions of Russia misfired.What remain is how long US can keep pace with China... before China rise to be the lone superpower
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RVHH sometimes its better to remain silent than embarrasing oneself.
Airbus is Boeings biggest competitor. They dont see eye to eye. If you were talking of Brazils Embraer hapo sawa.
China has its foot in Europe as well. Chinas biggest problem is not Europe but U.S.
Biden has messed up Boeings prospects Im telling you as an insider.For Boeing to make money they are switching from civil aviation manufacturers to Military aviation manufacturers thats where there is money as a U.S. gov is pumping lots of money to the Military complex thanks to Ukrainian war.
RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
RVHH , some of us have been priviledged to live in the West in the 90s 2000s and 2010s and now 2020s .
Its true West has been on the decline and East is on the upward trend.
China rules in Africa and South America .
Take example of Kenya , Who do you think amongst China and Western Govt calls the shots.
Most western past presidents and senior officials end their careers by being lobbyists that get paid top dollars, especially when they criticize the west and the US, mainly because of their 'credibility.' In the 1920s, there were many talking about US impending doom. In the 1960s, even Americans thought the US collapse was imminent when images of Vietnam started hitting print media and TV stations. Take it from me, they were bullshit, and similar assertations in 2022 are super bullshit. The US will dominate the globe until Jesus comes!
In the 1980s, it was said that the United States was in its ‘fifth zenith’ of decline[1]. Many scholars worried that the United States was in a stage of hegemonic decline that was irreversible, and much analysis was done to attempt to outline the possible consequences of this decline on both the international and domestic political front. Public and political discourse was highly influenced by the publication of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy, which charted the rise and fall of western empires and included an analysis of American decline in context with historical trends[2]. The ‘Kennedy Thesis’ was ‘hailed by many, [&] ignored by few’[3] and became a key text in the debate about American hegemonic decline. However, the debate was not one-sided by any means; Susan Strange spearheaded the revivalist argument, stating that talk of decline was a misleading myth and ‘a dangerous myth at that’[4]. As the debate raged on, history turned on the Declinists and America emerged as the victors of the Cold War in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The 90s were by-and-large an American decade, and America swept into the 21st century as the leading world power; the hegemonic state. However, in the wake of 9/11 and two large-scale American military campaigns in the Middle East, scholars are beginning to raise similar concerns about American decline. But are these claims from over 20 years ago still appropriate to America today? An analysis of the original debate from the 1980s, and a comparison of the arguments made in the past five to eight years in relation to American decline, must be undertaken. From this, it will be shown that US hegemonic decline is, as Huntington argues, something that has to be believed to be invalidated[5]. In other words, US hegemony was not in decline in the 1980s and neither is it in decline in the 21st century despite realist interpretations to the contrary. However, modern American hegemonic leadership does suffer from different aspects of decline, which appear to be more crucial to American global power. The claims are appropriate, if only to prevent the decline it predicts by encouraging political reform to ‘reverse’ the perceived decline.
Having roamed US streets for two decades, there is no way US states and their integrated economies will slow down anytime soon. I believe once the supply chain hits cruising altitude and Covid mess is entirely behind the rearview mirror, the US economy, which is currently booming despite anemic economies on the international stage, will ratchet only up. I think the WEST will dominate the next 100 years, especially the US. I predict the State of California will overtake Germany in the next few years to be the fourth largest economy. In a decade or so, it may close in on Japan to be the 3rd Largest Economy in the world after China and US.
If California were A country it Would Have
The 5th Largest Economy
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Country GDP ($T USD)
United States $20,893
China $14,722
Japan $5,057
Germany $3,846
California $3,353
United Kingdom $2,764
India $2,660
France $2,630
Italy $1,888
Canada $1,644
Sir, the WEST is a beast economically that NEVER declines; it reinvents, reengineers, and retools itself to remain a dominant economy for a very long time. One hundred fifty years and running, and I firmly believe another 200 years are about to start. Betting on the WEST to decline is always a losing proposition. Top US economist told naysayers in 1971. Another one said the same thing in 2018. If you dig deeper into the literature, I am sure another economist in Abram Lincoln's Administration (the 1860s) must have said the same!
The west and America decline is a myth that has been in existence since 1800s. Read published articles in 1920s and 1980s. It is similar to the articles published in 2020s. After Berlin conference of 1885, Belgium was calling shots in Congo, while British was ruling Kenya. China's stint in Kenya, like past powers will dissipate in no time, but US will continue dominating the globe for quite sometimes as history has shown. America companies like Boeing are calling shots in China and globally. China now has the largest fleet of Boeing 737 planes in the world!
Airbus is a western French aircraft that survives courtesy of Boeing. China switching to Airbus is like sucking left nipples and then switching to the right one! It is one of the same-Western Aircraft dominating Chinese skies!
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It's like saying your neighbor is not rich because you don't like him.
The way I see the Ukraine war: it's a redux of Iraq or Afghanistan. A mispriority. When the US over-reached while China was getting its house in order. 2 decades of misadventure.
Ultimately the sanctions will backfire: Turkey, India, Saudis, etc have already declined to enlist, the Europeans will withdraw and the US will recoil in shame.
RVHH sometimes its better to remain silent than embarrasing oneself.
Airbus is Boeings biggest competitor. They dont see eye to eye. If you were talking of Brazils Embraer hapo sawa.
China has its foot in Europe as well. Chinas biggest problem is not Europe but U.S.
Biden has messed up Boeings prospects Im telling you as an insider.For Boeing to make money they are switching from civil aviation manufacturers to Military aviation manufacturers thats where there is money as a U.S. gov is pumping lots of money to the Military complex thanks to Ukrainian war.
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Look closely you will see likes of Israel - yes ISRAEL! - maintains a vague response in anything US vs China. The Saudis too - China is the biggest client and supplier - despite China keeping Iran afloat.
If you are Israel you have to maintain a keen eye on the horizon. You might need a new bff soon, you start courting him early. I can bet SWU is gearing up to be the new AIPAC replica in China.
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As usual Noway turning things to suit his needs. Did Biden cause Boeing's current problems with 737 Max?
Now you mention Boeing on the way down in China and Airbus way up in China not realising Airbus is also a company from Western nations. Had you mentioned Russia taking the space left by Boeing, that would be another issue. Turning from one Westrn company to the other and mentioning the downfall of the Western world at the same breath.
RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
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Are there any Jews in China to influence Chises foreign policy? I can see you are trying to implicate the Jews having the same influence in China as they have in the US. I think you are dreaming.
Look closely you will see likes of Israel - yes ISRAEL! - maintains a vague response in anything US vs China. The Saudis too - China is the biggest client and supplier - despite China keeping Iran afloat.
If you are Israel you have to maintain a keen eye on the horizon. You might need a new bff soon, you start courting him early. I can bet SWU is gearing up to be the new AIPAC replica in China.
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Is it out education system or people a just naive.
Kadudu I didnt bring up Boeing and China RVHH did so mistakenly claiming Boeing is calling shots in China. I just corrected him yelling him as latest as two weeks ago Boeing was Blaming Biden for his trade policies which have made China to go Airbus.
When you come yapping without knowing Boeing officially cried foul is just height of stupidity.
https://mentourpilot.com/is-china-a-serious-problem-for-boeing/
Boeing believes that the problem lies in international relations between China and the United States. So its statement on China’s Airbus deal actually compliments Europe’s stance towards China. The statement said:
“Today’s announcement is an example of how constructive dialogue between governments encourages job creation and the other benefits that result from open aerospace markets. As a top U.S. exporter with a 50-year relationship with China’s aviation industry, it is disappointing that geopolitical differences continue to constrain U.S. aircraft exports.
“We continue to urge a productive dialogue between the governments given the mutual economic benefits of a thriving aviation industry. Boeing aircraft sales to China historically support tens of thousands of American jobs, and we are hopeful orders and deliveries will resume promptly.”
As usual Noway turning things to suit his needs. Did Biden cause Boeing's current problems with 737 Max?
Now you mention Boeing on the way down in China and Airbus way up in China not realising Airbus is also a company from Western nations. Had you mentioned Russia taking the space left by Boeing, that would be another issue. Turning from one Westrn company to the other and mentioning the downfall of the Western world at the same breath.
RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
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Agreed. The world may see multi-polar kind of interplay. China, India, US and EU - will be running different spheres. China rise may be counted by United Western World like EU/NATO and India.
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :). But as long as Europeans and American merge in NATO/EU- they will continue to dominate global politics.
The official timeline of China eclipsing US nominal GDP is 2028. Already China has overtaken us in many fronts: domestic infra, foreign infra, trade, donor, etc. China is almostly single-handedly keeping Iran and Russia afloat against US-led sanctions.
As China takes over, their clubs like SCO, AIIB, BRICS+ will supplant US version. Fence-sitters and freeloaders like Turkey or EU or India will align and ignore the US.
Great Britain fell catastrophically during the Suez Canal standoff in 50s... the UK was suddenly exposed as nothing compared to the US and the Soviets. In a decade or so the US will get a rude awakening, when we issue a sanctions or other hit order and noone complies. A mini-play of this occurred in 2014 when the UK and Israel signed on to the AIIB despite Obama's express wishes.
Sanctions are simple: which market can't you live without - US or China? The US has been working overtime to thwart China but I don't see any tangible results. Tibet, Hong Kong now Uygur bla de bla.
China is a new curve ball that US has no response to.Its huge, populated and lives in equally populated south Asia.US became superpower recently..it clocking 100yrs.Before that Brits for like 50yrs.China has been superpower for the rest of 18 centuries since Jesus was born.They are now superpower with US.That is why US and EU Sanctions of Russia misfired.What remain is how long US can keep pace with China... before China rise to be the lone superpower
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It is your education. Why think you know everything better than all others?
Boeing had the Chinese air market in the hand. RVHH only indicated this. What is today can change tomorrow. Chinese airlines fly mainly Boeing and not Airbus. Boeing since making the 737 Max errors has not being selling airplanes as much. With Biden, they are looking for a scapegoat. It is mainly Boeing that brought itself where it is today and nothing to do with Biden. He is even softer on China than your local hero, Trump.
Go back to elimu ya Ngumbaru. It used to be free. Not sure today, but most likely you can pay with mpesa. :D
Also stop claiming people living in Western countries are brainwashed. Does Russia have free media? Can you hear even one any critical sentence about Putin on Russian media or about Xi Jinping on Chinese media?
Is it out education system or people a just naive.
Kadudu I didnt bring up Boeing and China RVHH did so mistakenly claiming Boeing is calling shots in China. I just corrected him yelling him as latest as two weeks ago Boeing was Blaming Biden for his trade policies which have made China to go Airbus.
When you come yapping without knowing Boeing officially cried foul is just height of stupidity.
https://mentourpilot.com/is-china-a-serious-problem-for-boeing/
Boeing believes that the problem lies in international relations between China and the United States. So its statement on China’s Airbus deal actually compliments Europe’s stance towards China. The statement said:
“Today’s announcement is an example of how constructive dialogue between governments encourages job creation and the other benefits that result from open aerospace markets. As a top U.S. exporter with a 50-year relationship with China’s aviation industry, it is disappointing that geopolitical differences continue to constrain U.S. aircraft exports.
“We continue to urge a productive dialogue between the governments given the mutual economic benefits of a thriving aviation industry. Boeing aircraft sales to China historically support tens of thousands of American jobs, and we are hopeful orders and deliveries will resume promptly.”
As usual Noway turning things to suit his needs. Did Biden cause Boeing's current problems with 737 Max?
Now you mention Boeing on the way down in China and Airbus way up in China not realising Airbus is also a company from Western nations. Had you mentioned Russia taking the space left by Boeing, that would be another issue. Turning from one Westrn company to the other and mentioning the downfall of the Western world at the same breath.
RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
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RVHah mistakenly said Boeing is calling shots in Chins. I corrected him . The last time Boeing sold its aircraft to China was in 2017 thats 5 years ago.
Why are you pretending to know better than Boeing where as they gave a statement stating Geopolitical differences needs to be sorted out.
Boeing believes that the problem lies in international relations between China and the United States. So its statement on China’s Airbus deal actually compliments Europe’s stance towards China. The statement said:
“Today’s announcement is an example of how constructive dialogue between governments encourages job creation and the other benefits that result from open aerospace markets. As a top U.S. exporter with a 50-year relationship with China’s aviation industry, it is disappointing that geopolitical differences continue to constrain U.S. aircraft exports.
“We continue to urge a productive dialogue between the governments given the mutual economic benefits of a thriving aviation industry. Boeing aircraft sales to China historically support tens of thousands of American jobs, and we are hopeful orders and deliveries will resume promptly.”
It is your education. Why think you know everything better than all others?
Boeing had the Chinese air market in the hand. RVHH only indicated this. What is today can change tomorrow. Chinese airlines fly mainly Boeing and not Airbus. Boeing since making the 737 Max errors has not being selling airplanes as much. With Biden, they are looking for a scapegoat. It is mainly Boeing that brought itself where it is today and nothing to do with Biden. He is even softer on China than your local hero, Trump.
Go back to elimu ya Ngumbaru. It used to be free. Not sure today, but most likely you can pay with mpesa. :D
Also stop claiming people living in Western countries are brainwashed. Does Russia have free media? Can you hear even one any critical sentence about Putin on Russian media or about Xi Jinping on Chinese media?
Is it out education system or people a just naive.
Kadudu I didnt bring up Boeing and China RVHH did so mistakenly claiming Boeing is calling shots in China. I just corrected him yelling him as latest as two weeks ago Boeing was Blaming Biden for his trade policies which have made China to go Airbus.
When you come yapping without knowing Boeing officially cried foul is just height of stupidity.
https://mentourpilot.com/is-china-a-serious-problem-for-boeing/
Boeing believes that the problem lies in international relations between China and the United States. So its statement on China’s Airbus deal actually compliments Europe’s stance towards China. The statement said:
“Today’s announcement is an example of how constructive dialogue between governments encourages job creation and the other benefits that result from open aerospace markets. As a top U.S. exporter with a 50-year relationship with China’s aviation industry, it is disappointing that geopolitical differences continue to constrain U.S. aircraft exports.
“We continue to urge a productive dialogue between the governments given the mutual economic benefits of a thriving aviation industry. Boeing aircraft sales to China historically support tens of thousands of American jobs, and we are hopeful orders and deliveries will resume promptly.”
As usual Noway turning things to suit his needs. Did Biden cause Boeing's current problems with 737 Max?
Now you mention Boeing on the way down in China and Airbus way up in China not realising Airbus is also a company from Western nations. Had you mentioned Russia taking the space left by Boeing, that would be another issue. Turning from one Westrn company to the other and mentioning the downfall of the Western world at the same breath.
RVHH then you go and use the worst example.
Due to Bidens policy , China has turned to Airbus i think two weeks ago. Its so bad for the U.S.Aviation commercial sector that they are switching to Military which is the only income earner.
RVHH talk to me . We know what we are saying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-04/boeing-rues-us-china-trade-war-as-airbus-wins-37-billion-deal
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The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
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China GDP - 24 trillion (PPP)
US GDP - 20 trillion.
Now if China allows Yuan to appreciate to it's level - it would equal US nominal GDP.
Chinese are just getting started - they are saving more than anyone - work harder than anyone - and are becoming smarter too.
US - are indebted to their eyeballs -
USD dominance is sustaining them
Now US sanction on Russia/China - show the world can one day wake up and switch off the USD.
US will be dead. It will have to pay for it's debt in YUAN :) or trade in KSHS.
The fall of EMPIRES happen so fast.
US with gov debt alone is 26 trillion !!!!!!!!!!!
Private American individuals and companies are also choking in debt!
Now compare to Chinese who saves upto 25% of their GDP or earnings - 15 percent above the develop world average.
Mess up USD and see fire.
US on debt crisis will fall so fast it will be begging for China FOOD AID :) like Srilanka is asking INdia.
Bottomline - US/EU/Kenya - are almost being sustained by Chinese SAVINGS.
US therefore is already begging China for AID (loans) - it's just using USD dominance to hide it - otherwise the begging bowl will be out like Kenya.
If today China announces it will stop buying US bonds :) :) - Biden will rush to Beijing.
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
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There is only a handful of Chinese Jews and it is a well-known Israeli headache: how to ensnare rising China like it has done the US. Israel as a super-beneficiary of the US hegemony should be the first to join the anti-China or anti-Russia sanctions. But nope - they are firmly non-aligned. It is a good indicator of their perception of the geopolitical trend.
Are there any Jews in China to influence Chises foreign policy? I can see you are trying to implicate the Jews having the same influence in China as they have in the US. I think you are dreaming.
Look closely you will see likes of Israel - yes ISRAEL! - maintains a vague response in anything US vs China. The Saudis too - China is the biggest client and supplier - despite China keeping Iran afloat.
If you are Israel you have to maintain a keen eye on the horizon. You might need a new bff soon, you start courting him early. I can bet SWU is gearing up to be the new AIPAC replica in China.
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We have discussed enough on US-China rivalry. Where is Africa or will we be pleased to be spectators for the next centuries?
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I see the EU as fence-sitters. Trump called them free-loaders. They will switch or realign to China more as the latter eclipses US economically.
It is not easy to craft new NATO or such because there are few or no common interests.
QUAD is a good example. It was crafted by Obama as a sort of Indo-Pacific NATO to contain China. But you find key member India has refused to even sanction Russia... playing both sides. Which makes the US powerless to punish them.
Agreed. The world may see multi-polar kind of interplay. China, India, US and EU - will be running different spheres. China rise may be counted by United Western World like EU/NATO and India.
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :). But as long as Europeans and American merge in NATO/EU- they will continue to dominate global politics.
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China GDP - 24 trillion (PPP)
US GDP - 20 trillion.
Pundit - stick to analyzing elections in zamunda. Everyone knows the numbers in china are cooked. It's a closed society run by the CCP. Only fools believe what the CCP is telling them.
Once again, I advise to travel outside of kenya/africa and see the world for yourself. Yuan will never, ever, become the world's reserve currency. When was the last time china won a war? how many navy ships do they have that can travel beyond a certain point? they can't even make fighter jets without them falling out of the sky :D
America will rule the world for the duration of your life and the dollar will remain supremo. No country can presently defeat the great american empire.
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You sounds as mad as Njamba. Or is this your other handle.
US is going down. Russia is taking RuBBLES - not USD for their oil.
That is why Biden has run to kiss SAUDIs arse.
US is dead economy being sustained by USD as the global currency- that it print out of trouble - and make it's debt very cheap.
China rise is REAL - check all indicators - trade data/check their mega cities/name it.
If more China internationalize Yuan MORE (it already started) - and it can - by just entering contract on YUAN -
Even poor India is starting to want RUPEE to be used.
Once USD share of global currency reduces - it's will struggle to remain a float - because it's choking in debt.
As of now USD, RUBBLE :), British Pound, Euro, Swiss Franc, YEN and Yuan - are part of global currencies that are kept for international trade and settlement.
USD still dominate but not for long. Russian have shown the way. The rest of big boys like India, Iran, China, Japan - will soon demand transaction in their own currencies - END OF USD.
End of USD will expose US debt ridden economy. Saudis and middle east can today wake up and demand payment for their OIL in DIRHAM :) - what will US DO? Invade them. Nope - US will scramble to buy DIRHAM like everyone else.
Why would India and China for example trade in USD - they can decide to trade in Rupee and Yuan - like we do with Uganda and Kenya.
Pundit - stick to analyzing elections in zamunda. Everyone knows the numbers in china are cooked. It's a closed society run by the CCP. Only fools believe what the CCP is telling them.
Once again, I advise to travel outside of kenya/africa and see the world for yourself. Yuan will never, ever, become the world's reserve currency. When was the last time china won a war? how many navy ships do they have that can travel beyond a certain point? they can't even make fighter jets without them falling out of the sky :D
America will rule the world for the duration of your life and the dollar will remain supremo. No country can presently defeat the great american empire.
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Russia rubble remain strong - because they dared the USD. Now many countries are seeing that they dont have to become slaves to US - they can take back full monetary policy of their countries - by simply demanding payment in their currency for the things they own.
You want to buy Kenya tea - buy it in KSHS. How will you get KSHS - shauri yako :)
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US fall will be dramatic like "Great" Britain suez canal shock. Britain had invaded Egypt with France :) - but the naked king was swiftly exposed - as they were squeezed out by US and Soviet.
One day US will wake up and find Saudi or New Zealand or even entire ASEAN have switched to yuan. US will demand immediate revert to USD and be simply ignored. After that it will be an avalanche.
Russia rubble remain strong - because they dared the USD. Now many countries are seeing that they dont have to become slaves to US - they can take back full monetary policy of their countries - by simply demanding payment in their currency for the things they own.
You want to buy Kenya tea - buy it in KSHS. How will you get KSHS - shauri yako :)
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Very wrong. Anyone buying natural resources from Russia is forced to buy in Rubble. This has pushed the Rubble up as the demand is high. It is an artificial high and it will come down. Russia does not have high tech products like computer chips. The car manufacturing industry has come to a halt. Even the arms industry will have problems very soon as it needs computer chips which are hardly produced in Russia.
Also the demand for the US$ is up. Hardly any currency that has not lost to the US$. In times of crisis, people invest in currencies they have most confidence in at that present time.
Russia rubble remain strong - because they dared the USD. Now many countries are seeing that they dont have to become slaves to US - they can take back full monetary policy of their countries - by simply demanding payment in their currency for the things they own.
You want to buy Kenya tea - buy it in KSHS. How will you get KSHS - shauri yako :)
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This is just but the start. US and EU have definitely failed to sink RUSSIA and Russia is still kicking Ukraine gonads. Now countries like Iran and China who have been victim of US bans - are getting vital lessons.
British took off from EU because they want to control their money.
MONITARY policy is useless if you cannot print and control your money.
China has everything Russia wants - and all they need is to agree to use Yuan and Rubble. Russia export it energy and minerals to China - and it get all the manufactured goods it needs.
US and German are the main losers...we are all crying now...more than Russia.
Very wrong. Anyone buying natural resources from Russia is forced to buy in Rubble. This has pushed the Rubble up as the demand is high. It is an artificial high and it will come down. Russia does not have high tech products like computer chips. The car manufacturing industry has come to a halt. Even the arms industry will have problems very soon as it needs computer chips which are hardly produced in Russia.
Also the demand for the US$ is up. Hardly any currency that has not lost to the US$. In times of crisis, people invest in currencies they have most confidence in at that present time.
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US has to realize it cant no longer flex it muscle. When Trump tried against China - China just became self-sufficient tech wise.Huwaei still kicking arse.. Now against Russia same issue. Iran same issues. Soon the US will only threaten third world countries.
US fall will be dramatic like "Great" Britain suez canal shock. Britain had invaded Egypt with France :) - but the naked king was swiftly exposed - as they were squeezed out by US and Soviet.
One day US will wake up and find Saudi or New Zealand or even entire ASEAN have switched to yuan. US will demand immediate revert to USD and be simply ignored. After that it will be an avalanche.
Russia rubble remain strong - because they dared the USD. Now many countries are seeing that they dont have to become slaves to US - they can take back full monetary policy of their countries - by simply demanding payment in their currency for the things they own.
You want to buy Kenya tea - buy it in KSHS. How will you get KSHS - shauri yako :)
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It's hilarious to me to think that people out there actually believe that Russia a collapsing state ruled by a one man dictator where the average citizen is dying from heroin addictions, alcoholism and poverty is going to take over the world. How? what do russians make? it's a 3rd world economy.
And china? a country ruled by a closed communist party that doesn't dominate the world either militarily or economically. How many navy ships and fighter jets do they have?
Leave Africa pundit. No one is kicking down doors trying to get into russia or china even all those arabs that claim to hate the west were walking into western europe :D
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Once you have nuclear - you dont need all those other weapons. End of story. North Korea is poorer than Kenya but it packs Nuclear. You cannot tell them anything unless you want to get hit by their long range nukes. Nuclear weapons ended wars on global scales.
Let talk economy. China is tops.
It's hilarious to me to think that people out there actually believe that Russia a collapsing state ruled by a one man dictator where the average citizen is dying from heroin addictions, alcoholism and poverty is going to take over the world. How? what do russians make? it's a 3rd world economy.
And china? a country ruled by a closed communist party that doesn't dominate the world either militarily or economically. How many navy ships and fighter jets do they have?
Leave Africa pundit. No one is kicking down doors trying to get into russia or china even all those arabs that claim to hate the west were walking into western europe :D
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China with 24 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people and US with 21 trillion with 300 million people!. When China hits 100 trillion, it will start coming close to the US on all fronts. I have cousins who lived in China for five years and graduated from Chinese colleges. They wish they could set foot in the US because, according to them, China and Kenya's living standards are about the same outside Beijing, Shanghai and gleaming cities. There are over 400 million Chinese living with lower living standards than people in Nyanza or mukuru kwa Njenga. Why do you think Chinese are all over Zamunda doing manual jobs and being hawkers in Zambia, Djibouti, etc.? Why are the Chinese and Russians still thronging to the US as illegal immigrants like the rest of the world? Why is China not transparent like the US? Don't believe the hype; believe Africans who are in China. There are 800 million Chinese living under $6 dollars a day and 200 million living under $ 3 a day. America decline remains a myth!
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Per capita they are still some long way. They are still not yet there. They are still maybe 300 cities that look like developed world and rural rice growing peasants. Africa is 50 cities with semblance of western world and huge swatches of rural wasteland.
But China as a country - is already a super-power - because Kenya gov prostrate before them - US gov depend on chinese to buy its debt - EU depend on china for loans - everyone depend on china for manufactured goods. This is REAL POWER.
Kenya gov if it see two phone calls - one from Beijing and one from Whitehouse - I bet they will pick Beijing first. China have the money to spend externally - maybe it can invest internally - but they are afraid of overheating their economy. That money is real power.
China with 24 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people and US with 21 trillion with 300 million people!. When China hits 100 trillion, it will start coming close to the US on all fronts. I have cousins who lived in China for five years and graduated from Chinese colleges. They wish they could set foot in the US because, according to them, China and Kenya's living standards are about the same outside Beijing, Shanghai and gleaming cities. There are over 400 million Chinese living with lower living standards than people in Nyanza or mukuru kwa Njenga. Why do you think Chinese are all over Zamunda doing manual jobs and being hawkers in Zambia, Djibouti, etc.? Why are the Chinese and Russians still thronging to the US as illegal immigrants like the rest of the world? Why is China not transparent like the US? Don't believe the hype; believe Africans who are in China. There are 800 million Chinese living under $6 dollars a day and 200 million living under $ 3 a day. America decline remains a myth!
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The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
Lol, an Immigrants arriving in the US today can have a living standard better than 900 million Chinese living in China after getting a $15 minimum wage Job. It could be the reason why Chinese in the US commit suicide on the spot when threaten with deportation!
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Per capita they are still some long way. They are still not yet there. They are still maybe 300 cities that look like developed world and rural rice growing peasants. Africa is 50 cities with semblance of western world and huge swatches of rural wasteland.
But China as a country - is already a super-power - because Kenya gov prostrate before them - US gov depend on chinese to buy its debt - EU depend on china for loans - everyone depend on china for manufactured goods. This is REAL POWER.
Kenya gov if it see two phone calls - one from Beijing and one from Whitehouse - I bet they will pick Beijing first. China have the money to spend externally - maybe it can invest internally - but they are afraid of overheating their economy. That money is real power.
China with 24 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people and US with 21 trillion with 300 million people!. When China hits 100 trillion, it will start coming close to the US on all fronts. I have cousins who lived in China for five years and graduated from Chinese colleges. They wish they could set foot in the US because, according to them, China and Kenya's living standards are about the same outside Beijing, Shanghai and gleaming cities. There are over 400 million Chinese living with lower living standards than people in Nyanza or mukuru kwa Njenga. Why do you think Chinese are all over Zamunda doing manual jobs and being hawkers in Zambia, Djibouti, etc.? Why are the Chinese and Russians still thronging to the US as illegal immigrants like the rest of the world? Why is China not transparent like the US? Don't believe the hype; believe Africans who are in China. There are 800 million Chinese living under $6 dollars a day and 200 million living under $ 3 a day. America decline remains a myth!
Walmart, and top fortune US 500 companies manufacture products in China because of cheap labor. Most top notch manufacturing companies in china pumping the world products are American owned.
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When rugby 7s used to be in Vegas used to go there every year.
All Casinos and hotels were filled up with Chinese . They run Vegas
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
Lol, an Immigrants arriving in the US today can have a living standard better than 900 million Chinese living in China after getting a $15 minimum wage Job. It could be the reason why Chinese in the US commit suicide on the spot when threaten with deportation!
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John Mearsheimer is right. The American move re Russia past few years has been very daft. Should've kept their eye on the ball (China!) and roped Russia into their sphere. Putin was very desperate for Russian integration into the EU/West for a while. They tried to join NATO, for goodness' sake. A NATO/EU/Russia is a good container for a rising China IF you're interested in preserving Western dominance. And lets face it, Russians are Europeans (whatever technicalities are employed to deny/downplay this). Now they've gone and handed Russia to China for free!
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China with 24 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people and US with 21 trillion with 300 million people!. When China hits 100 trillion, it will start coming close to the US on all fronts. I have cousins who lived in China for five years and graduated from Chinese colleges. They wish they could set foot in the US because, according to them, China and Kenya's living standards are about the same outside Beijing, Shanghai and gleaming cities. There are over 400 million Chinese living with lower living standards than people in Nyanza or mukuru kwa Njenga. Why do you think Chinese are all over Zamunda doing manual jobs and being hawkers in Zambia, Djibouti, etc.? Why are the Chinese and Russians still thronging to the US as illegal immigrants like the rest of the world? Why is China not transparent like the US? Don't believe the hype; believe Africans who are in China. There are 800 million Chinese living under $6 dollars a day and 200 million living under $ 3 a day. America decline remains a myth!
The degree to which Chinese economic dominance will dwarf American's in a few decades will shock people like you, stuck in denialism, into premature white hair. :) Its not just about eclipsing the US. That's a foregone conclusion by now. By 2050, it'll be something like three times the US economy if I remember correctly. Mutashangaa sana. Dunia imebadilika! But as Pundit tells you here, it's actually just returning to the status quo that predominated for centuries before the recent Western colonial phase which is actually very short when you see it in context.
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When rugby 7s used to be in Vegas used to go there every year.
All Casinos and hotels were filled up with Chinese . They run Vegas
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
Lol, an Immigrants arriving in the US today can have a living standard better than 900 million Chinese living in China after getting a $15 minimum wage Job. It could be the reason why Chinese in the US commit suicide on the spot when threaten with deportation!
Those are Americans, though they are Chinese. We also have black folks that look like Kenyans, but they have been in the US since 15th century. Every race, creed, and nationality thrives here in America with minimal effort; that, my friend, speaks to the richness of mighty USA!
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RVHH are you serious ?
When rugby 7s used to be in Vegas used to go there every year.
All Casinos and hotels were filled up with Chinese . They run Vegas
The US on it's own is about 20yrs from seeking aid from China :).
Only person who would make such a silly statement is one who has never been to either China or the US. The US is not going down in our lifetimes. China is a shithole country (go there and see for yourself)
Warrent Buffet has to remind people every year to never bet against the US. As much as people want it to happen, the US is the greatest country on earth and will remain so for the next 500 years or more ( no one is even close to it. Citing China or india is just a joke)
Lol, an Immigrants arriving in the US today can have a living standard better than 900 million Chinese living in China after getting a $15 minimum wage Job. It could be the reason why Chinese in the US commit suicide on the spot when threaten with deportation!
Those are Americans, though they are Chinese. We also have black folks that look like Kenyans, but they have been in the US since 15th century. Every race, creed, and nationality thrives here in America with minimal effort; that, my friend, speaks to the richness of mighty USA!
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China with 24 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people and US with 21 trillion with 300 million people!. When China hits 100 trillion, it will start coming close to the US on all fronts. I have cousins who lived in China for five years and graduated from Chinese colleges. They wish they could set foot in the US because, according to them, China and Kenya's living standards are about the same outside Beijing, Shanghai and gleaming cities. There are over 400 million Chinese living with lower living standards than people in Nyanza or mukuru kwa Njenga. Why do you think Chinese are all over Zamunda doing manual jobs and being hawkers in Zambia, Djibouti, etc.? Why are the Chinese and Russians still thronging to the US as illegal immigrants like the rest of the world? Why is China not transparent like the US? Don't believe the hype; believe Africans who are in China. There are 800 million Chinese living under $6 dollars a day and 200 million living under $ 3 a day. America decline remains a myth!
The degree to which Chinese economic dominance will dwarf American's in a few decades will shock people like you, stuck in denialism, into premature white hair. :) Its not just about eclipsing the US. That's a foregone conclusion by now. By 2050, it'll be something like three times the US economy if I remember correctly. Mutashangaa sana. Dunia imebadilika! But as Pundit tells you here, it's actually just returning to the status quo that predominated for centuries before the recent Western colonial phase which is actually very short when you see it in context.
Your argument sounds like what the half-baked economists published in the 1970s. Most predicted China to surpass the US by the early 90s. In 2022, 600 million Chinese, almost half, still live under 5 dollars a day like most people in Kenyan villages. China rose in the last decade because of free resources and imperialism throughout Africa. Still, when Mwafrica wakes up, China will resort to default state, a third-world country with millions living in abject poverty! The US has integrated economies in 50 states that can withstand global economic shocks. 150 years and running...
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/takeover-trap-why-imperialist-china-invading-africa-66421
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RVHH are you serious ?
Dead serious, sir!. Casinos in Las Vegas are owned by Sands Corps, MGM grand resorts, and Caesar Entertainment by large measure; American companies own 90% of Las Vegas Casinos! The people you see there that look like Chinese are round-headed native Americans that work in those casinos and have gambling problems.
Las Vegas Sands Corp. is an American casino and resort company with a corporate headquarters in Paradise, Nevada, United States. Their corporate mission is to create "Integrated Resorts" which feature a combination of gambling, accommodation, retail, and meeting space
MGM Resorts International is an American global hospitality and entertainment company operating destination resorts in Las Vegas, Massachusetts, Detroit, Mississippi, Maryland, and New Jersey, including Bellagio, Mandalay Bay, MGM Grand, and Park MGM.
Caesars Entertainment, Inc., formerly Eldorado Resorts, Inc., is an American hotel and casino entertainment company founded and based in Reno, Nevada that operates more than 50 properties. Eldorado Resorts acquired Caesars Entertainment Corporation and changed its own name to Caesars Entertainment on July 20, 2020.
https://tynmagazine.com/meet-the-six-companies-that-own-the-most-casinos-in-vegas-and-beyond/
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The only thing to do here is laugh at Kenyans arguing world affairs, calling each other names and trying to outdo one another as to who is more intelligent than who. Kenyans have this thing about debates that they cannot finish arguments without the IQ or intelligence insults, I think it comes from people with low self esteem. I think Sema or RVVH said it well, they do not have to quote peer review stuff like the nonsense Ndii spews everyday, that’s their bread and butter, their predictions elicit academic debate but rarely pun out. I am not the biggest defender of the USA, I think culturally we are rotting but economically, to compare the USA with places like China and India is big joke. These countries, outside of their cities are horrible third world countries, the poverty in India will even shock poor Kenyans. The USA economy is not going anywhere anytime soon, right now they are calling it a major inflation and most people do not even notice it. Americans are still traveling, vacationing, eating out etc most in these other countries can hardly feed themselves. I will let you know that once conservatives are out of power their patriotism goes out of the window, they start cheering the demise of the country, it’s their modus operandi, anything they cannot control has to die. How many times have we heard about the demise of major US cities controlled by Democrats? The cities are still there and thriving. As long as the dollar remains the currency of choice in the world, the USA will be the big Kahuna for a long time, most of those writing about its demise do it from the ivory towers of the best universities in the world, all in the USA.
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Closed societies like China and Russia ruled by dictators will never defeat an open society like the US that allows freedom, creativity, innovation, rule of law and democracy. only a fool would trust the economic numbers being put out there by the CCP. Ive been to China - RV heavy hitter is right -- outside of beijing and shanghai it's a shithole. All I saw were nyama choma joints with donkey meat advertised.
There's a reason US colleges are filled with chinese students that don't want to leave America (come see for yourself and these are the top 1% of China, not the low level one's you get in Kenya that are hawking and they're not leaving because they can't live in that communist state after they've tasted freedom) -- go to any college campus in the US, they're filled with young rich chinese students who stay and work (on wall street, in silicon valley, etc, etc) and whose goal is to become US citizens.
I have yet to met any immigrant that has told me their dream is to leave America and immigrate to China or russia :D :D :D
most of those writing about its demise do it from the ivory towers o
No. they do it from 3rd world shithole countries that they've never let. Only a fool would trust the yuan or rubble. lol those are criminal corrupt states.
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The only thing to do here is laugh at Kenyans arguing world affairs, calling each other names and trying to outdo one another as to who is more intelligent than who. Kenyans have this thing about debates that they cannot finish arguments without the IQ or intelligence insults, I think it comes from people with low self esteem. I think Sema or RVVH said it well, they do not have to quote peer review stuff like the nonsense Ndii spews everyday, that’s their bread and butter, their predictions elicit academic debate but rarely pun out. I am not the biggest defender of the USA, I think culturally we are rotting but economically, to compare the USA with places like China and India is big joke. These countries, outside of their cities are horrible third world countries, the poverty in India will even shock poor Kenyans. The USA economy is not going anywhere anytime soon, right now they are calling it a major inflation and most people do not even notice it. Americans are still traveling, vacationing, eating out etc most in these other countries can hardly feed themselves. I will let you know that once conservatives are out of power their patriotism goes out of the window, they start cheering the demise of the country, it’s their modus operandi, anything they cannot control has to die. How many times have we heard about the demise of major US cities controlled by Democrats? The cities are still there and thriving. As long as the dollar remains the currency of choice in the world, the USA will be the big Kahuna for a long time, most of those writing about its demise do it from the ivory towers of the best universities in the world, all in the USA.
Conservatives suffer from anti-China jitters than literally everyone and they are more invested in American hegemony than your average liberal., don't know what you're going on about. And when was Tony Blair a conversative? You guys just suffer from the hubris of American exceptionalism. I don't know any serious observer who at this point doubts that China is eclipsing the US already. Everything happening in Eastern Europe is all geared to either fight or minimize that Chinese threat. They just chose the wrong strategy with Russia, assuming it'd be easy to kill it off with economic ostracism. Instead, they've guaranteed Russian subservience to China.
PS: You are a Kenyan posting about silly Kenyans doing what you're doing in the very thread in which you complain about it. A true Kenyan, indeed. :D If you truly considered this a silly exercise, wouldn't the best response be avoiding engaging in it yourself? :D
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On my part I don't get the denialism of most immigrants. I know the US is great - I studied, live and work here. Noone is saying China is "better" morally or lifewise: this is about trends. In terms of geopolitics or superpower status, per capita or HDI means little, otherwise Qatar, Singapore and Switzerland would be top 3. Overall national strength is what matters. Ukrainians are probably richer than Russians but get kicked like kids.
US strategists including Blinken, Sullivan, Lloyd Austin, CGS Milley - all the elites - are constantly pouting over the China threat. Even Elon Musk or Bill Gates says it. This is not a Nipate invention.
This is about global power politics. Not individual citizens. China's rise does not threaten our beautiful lives... in the near future. We will retire rich. Maybe akina Pundit's kids might immigrate to China and not the west. :)
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It looks like we've reached a firm impasse on this topic. Most folks are above 40, so convincing them otherwise is like jamming Coupe Decale to mountain Billy goats. I think my experience of 20 years in the US gives me the latitude to provide the best opinion based on my experiences. The West's classic liberalism, economic freedom, Ironclad institutions, and fair democracy cannot be compared with tyrant countries ruled by 'strong men.' As a rule of thumb, as evidence shows, with such exceptionality, the US has been the world's leader on all fronts for the last 100 years. Thanks, we agree on that gate somewhat! The fact that we are debating that another country is about to overtake the US means the US is still the King!
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It's more of I don't like or live in china so china can't be great...China rise is inevitable.its 1.5b people country.Its just need to at it 1/5 best to beat US.If it matches US per Capita they will be five times bigger and they working towards it.China has always been the dragon..west took mantle with industrialization.China now leads in that sector...so the dragon is back.China is by default a superpower.
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That sums it all. :D :D :D
We can make noise here, but in the end effect this is what matters.
Why do even refugees in the Middle East apply for visas in Europe and the US? Never heard of any wanting to go to China or Russia.
Closed societies like China and Russia ruled by dictators will never defeat an open society like the US that allows freedom, creativity, innovation, rule of law and democracy. only a fool would trust the economic numbers being put out there by the CCP. Ive been to China - RV heavy hitter is right -- outside of beijing and shanghai it's a shithole. All I saw were nyama choma joints with donkey meat advertised.
There's a reason US colleges are filled with chinese students that don't want to leave America (come see for yourself and these are the top 1% of China, not the low level one's you get in Kenya that are hawking and they're not leaving because they can't live in that communist state after they've tasted freedom) -- go to any college campus in the US, they're filled with young rich chinese students who stay and work (on wall street, in silicon valley, etc, etc) and whose goal is to become US citizens.
I have yet to met any immigrant that has told me their dream is to leave America and immigrate to China or russia :D :D :D
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It looks like we've reached a firm impasse on this topic. Most folks are above 40, so convincing them otherwise is like jamming Coupe Decale to mountain Billy goats. I think my experience of 20 years in the US gives me the latitude to provide the best opinion based on my experiences. The West's classic liberalism, economic freedom, Ironclad institutions, and fair democracy cannot be compared with tyrant countries ruled by 'strong men.' As a rule of thumb, as evidence shows, with such exceptionality, the US has been the world's leader on all fronts for the last 100 years. Thanks, we agree on that gate somewhat! The fact that we are debating that another country is about to overtake the US means the US is still the King!
The US is the leading World economy. It has been so since the World Wars which saw the decline of the European colonial powers. No one is denying that. Would that not be a very silly thing to do? :D That we are now in the era of its toppling from that spot is also fast becoming similarly undebatable. It's now only $ 5 trillion removed from the D-Date. https://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf It was $ 8 trillion removed just a blink ago. Think back to pre-Covid numbers. My friend, that's a breathtaking speed! And it's because while the US economy has hardly grown, basically plateauing, China's is still ballooning. Denialism in the face of this is odd to me. In the next three/four years, this will be over. After that, China will begin to run away with the race. 20/30 years from now, it will be overlaps and what not. Iyo ndio ukweli.
As to living stds and whatnot, as a person who was resident in Europe for a while, I know for a fact they beat you guys in that department several times over. Yet they are far less powerful than you. So that 'metric' is not relevant to this discussion, which is about global dominance. Migrants will always move to better conditions as they are advertised and exist realistically. But don't assume the Chinese are not absorbing huge numbers of migrants in their own right; Migrants also move for opportunity. So that would be a wrong assumption as well.
Another thing I noticed in Continental Europe that is hardly ever brought up in these discussions is the signficance of language barriers in immigrant choices. Look for Kenyans in Belgium and surrounding countries. They are there . . . but they're not popping up under every rock. Instead, West Africans are all over France/Belgium etc. But move over to the UK (and US, Canada, Aussi etc) and there are mini colonies of Kenyans there. :D Vast communities. Big enough to even be ethnically defined! I went to a 'Gusii' area in the US that reminded me of Kisii town, not even Nai! :D The thick accents, yawa. Exactly like my older relatives in shags. To be fair, it was an SDA church. Still! An SDA church with what seemed like 90% Gusii congregants is a really surreal experience to bump into in the Big US of A. That's because Kenyans will move in huge numbers to the anglosphere but not so to other places: I think that's a reasonable conclusion to make.
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Liking a country and recognizing simple fact like it's superpower influence globally totally two different things.To be a superpower means having global outreach and influence.China doesn't need any immigrants or popularity..it already has 1.5B out 7b humans.Learn to live with China.Learn to live with less powerful western countries.Take advantage of Chinese opportunities.They are the future.Teach your kid mandarin they will need it. Their future bosses and partners will be Chinese.
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and China has many immigrants. Just not on US or European scale yet. From ASEAN - Myanmar, Indonesia, Philippines, etc - and definitely many Africans are studying and working there.
Personally I have received lots of spam from Thousand Talents and such "China green card" programs.
Liking a country and recognizing simple fact like it's superpower influence globally totally two different things.To be a superpower means having global outreach and influence.China doesn't need any immigrants or popularity..it already has 1.5B out 7b humans.Learn to live with China.Learn to live with less powerful western countries.Take advantage of Chinese opportunities.They are the future.Teach your kid mandarin they will need it. Their future bosses and partners will be Chinese.
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It looks like we've reached a firm impasse on this topic. Most folks are above 40, so convincing them otherwise is like jamming Coupe Decale to mountain Billy goats. I think my experience of 20 years in the US gives me the latitude to provide the best opinion based on my experiences. The West's classic liberalism, economic freedom, Ironclad institutions, and fair democracy cannot be compared with tyrant countries ruled by 'strong men.' As a rule of thumb, as evidence shows, with such exceptionality, the US has been the world's leader on all fronts for the last 100 years. Thanks, we agree on that gate somewhat! The fact that we are debating that another country is about to overtake the US means the US is still the King!
The US is the leading World economy. It has been so since the World Wars which saw the decline of the European colonial powers. No one is denying that. Would that not be a very silly thing to do? :D That we are now in the era of its toppling from that spot is also fast becoming similarly undebatable. It's now only $ 5 trillion removed from the D-Date. https://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf It was $ 8 trillion removed just a blink ago. Think back to pre-Covid numbers. My friend, that's a breathtaking speed! And it's because while the US economy has hardly grown, basically plateauing, China's is still ballooning. Denialism in the face of this is odd to me. In the next three/four years, this will be over. After that, China will begin to run away with the race. 20/30 years from now, it will be overlaps and what not. Iyo ndio ukweli.
As to living stds and whatnot, as a person who was resident in Europe for a while, I know for a fact they beat you guys in that department several times over. Yet they are far less powerful than you. So that 'metric' is not relevant to this discussion, which is about global dominance. Migrants will always move to better conditions as they are advertised and exist realistically. But don't assume the Chinese are not absorbing huge numbers of migrants in their own right; Migrants also move for opportunity. So that would be a wrong assumption as well.
Another thing I noticed in Continental Europe that is hardly ever brought up in these discussions is the signficance of language barriers in immigrant choices. Look for Kenyans in Belgium and surrounding countries. They are there . . . but they're not popping up under every rock. Instead, West Africans are all over France/Belgium etc. But move over to the UK (and US, Canada, Aussi etc) and there are mini colonies of Kenyans there. :D Vast communities. Big enough to even be ethnically defined! I went to a 'Gusii' area in the US that reminded me of Kisii town, not even Nai! :D The thick accents, yawa. Exactly like my older relatives in shags. To be fair, it was an SDA church. Still! An SDA church with what seemed like 90% Gusii congregants is a really surreal experience to bump into in the Big US of A. That's because Kenyans will move in huge numbers to the anglosphere but not so to other places: I think that's a reasonable conclusion to make.
Lol, you have gone to the gutter with your holloipolloi; that leads to an uninformed conclusion. Freedom, religious or economic, in the USA makes this a wonderful country great. Kenyans here are living like they are in Kenya. They can build their churches and live within their communities or choose to integrate/associate. There is nothing wrong with Kissii and their SDA churches in the US. The free market economy here is so robust any immigrant can work hard in a year or two and be as wealthy as Americans that have been here for generations. All it takes is the brain, hard work, and respecting the country's laws. Standard of living? Kenyans here, especially those who came ten or more years ago, are living extraordinary lives. I may have my biases because I keep it to myself and my small family, but the few Kenyans I know are living large, so I don't know anyone who would criticize the US, especially on living standards, work, justice, freedom, etc. According to my experiences, the US is a perfect country; in my opinion, especially if you don't drink, you want to commit to raising a family and thriving economically.
Did you read this on US and China? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-20/us-growth-seen-outpacing-china-s-for-first-time-since-1976. US economy is booming and growing as usual. The figures from tyrant countries are not available publicly to be interrogated. We are suppose to believe what they spew and use it for debate. I have two cousins in China. They want to come to America like yesterday because small-town china and villages are worse than Nyaribari Chache or Chebarbar! The thing is, according to my cousin, you land on a gleaming city and get on the bus, or train. An hour later, peeping through the window, you think you are in Laini Saba Kibra! 20/30 years? That was what was exactly said in 1980s. 90s came and passed. Now there is another 20 to 30 years to go?. I think 100 years or so is a good timeline.
The thing about the US is that it is a country of long-time immigrants and new arrivals from all over the globe. You get to hear opinions from a diverse group of people. My Neighbors are Kisiis, Iraqis, Chinese, Arabs, Whites from England, African Americans, Taiwanese, Old Wazungus, Mexicans, etc. What keeps all these people in common are the love for the United States, order, the rule of law, and the opportunity to make serious money and live in peace. The US is a country you can leave your door unlocked and go to Kenya for two months and come home to find everything the way you left. My Saudi Arabian neighbors who have lived in the US for 40 years love the US more than regular wazungus, mainly because of religious freedom. They can wear their clothing, bike in the neighborhood, and never get bullied or feel unwelcomed their entire decades in the US. This, not the superficial things, is what makes the place great. Folks that criticize or find flaws in the US most of the time have made bad choices, messed up their lives, or are incompetent folks who cannot see opportunities to thrive.
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Lol, you have gone to the gutter with your holloipolloi; that leads to an uninformed conclusion. Freedom, religious or economic, in the USA makes this a wonderful country great. Kenyans here are living like they are in Kenya.
You're funny. :D I just compared the huge, eye-popping presence of Kenyans in the Western anglosphere to their comparatively diminished presence in the non-English speaking West and you're here saying it's all about freedom. :) Iko shida gani na wewe? What civics are they teaching you that tells you the Belgians, Dutch, Germans, French, Scandinavians etc., are busy arresting Kenyans and stopping them from meeting in their own churches? :D Rafiki . . . Think!
PS; There are far, far, FAR more francophone Africans and Arabs in French-speaking Western countries (France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland) than anglophone Africans. Those mini colonies of Africans (and Arabs) exist there as well: they're just not made up of Kenyans, Nigerians, etc (or even Indians and Pakistanis, for that matter) :D For these you go to the UK or North America.
Language and colonial ties do indeed factor a lot into some of these migration patterns, along with geographical accessibility. No one is saying they're the only factors that matter, though. I brought it up because it's hardly ever discussed when people talk of migration into other countries. :)