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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 26, 2022, 08:54:26 AM
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Gov will buy land cheaply - and compulsorily - to settle squattors - from Kenyatta and absentee landlords.
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This was the language which got Raila 44% of Kenyan voters.
Im in Coast Kilifi and Mombasa. Apparently Ruto is winning in Kilifi with slightly Majority for His Presidwntial seat and Mp seats.
In Mombasa Sonko is winning hands down , funny enough even Luos have a soft spot for Sonko. Mijikendas are with Sonko. There is a real vibe against arab swahilis .
With this language Ruto might turn Coast to UDA. In 5 years he will be kingpin of Mijikenda.
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Kilifi and Mombasa are big ones in coast...both accounting nearly a million of registered votes - with others contributing very little;
He has to be smart about it;
Go to Coast alone;
Distance himself from Kenyattaism;
Attack Kenyatta at coast;
Leave Gachagua to handle RV+GEMA
Leave maDVD+Weta to deal with Western.
Then Ruto should focus on battleground and pin Raila down because he is now pro-gov/pro-kenyatta
This was the language which got Raila 44% of Kenyan voters.
Im in Coast Kilifi and Mombasa. Apparently Ruto is winning in Kilifi with slightly Majority for His Presidwntial seat and Mp seats.
In Mombasa Sonko is winning hands down , funny enough even Luos have a soft spot for Sonko. Mijikendas are with Sonko. There is a real vibe against arab swahilis .
With this language Ruto might turn Coast to UDA. In 5 years he will be kingpin of Mijikenda.
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One thing coming out clear is that Giriamas have a problem with Kenyatta.
They elected Kibaki against Uhuru in 2002 and Kibaki got a substantial number of votes against Raila in 2007. The votes evaporated when Uhuru vied against Raila in 2013 and 2017. And there you get the hint of whats their pysche.
In Kilifi majority of the land is now owned by tycoons and Arab swahilis forming a big junk of them. Hence why Nassir candidature is having a problem. Now without Kenyatta factor or lets say Raila being Kenyattas candidate hapo kura will evaporate once again. With the current Propaganda against Ports and land a 2002 might happen again.
Kilifi and Mombasa are big ones in coast...both accounting nearly a million of registered votes - with others contributing very little;
He has to be smart about it;
Go to Coast alone;
Distance himself from Kenyattaism;
Attack Kenyatta at coast;
Leave Gachagua to handle RV+GEMA
Leave maDVD+Weta to deal with Western.
Then Ruto should focus on battleground and pin Raila down because he is now pro-gov/pro-kenyatta
This was the language which got Raila 44% of Kenyan voters.
Im in Coast Kilifi and Mombasa. Apparently Ruto is winning in Kilifi with slightly Majority for His Presidwntial seat and Mp seats.
In Mombasa Sonko is winning hands down , funny enough even Luos have a soft spot for Sonko. Mijikendas are with Sonko. There is a real vibe against arab swahilis .
With this language Ruto might turn Coast to UDA. In 5 years he will be kingpin of Mijikenda.
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Yes Kenyatta helped himself to beach plot with his folks;
Plus of course land in Taita Taveta
and Lamu
So it hot potato that target Arabs and Kenyattas
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Echo chamber. Pole sana. Why give promise when he has big Taveta and other land he can give hasola already? Can he handle a fund?
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Echo chamber. Pole sana. Why give promise when he has big Taveta and other land he can give hasola already? Can he handle a fund?
I should probably give you a prize for your deadly one line retorts :D UDA bots are plenty everywhere you look online
Ruto is a man who's out of favor with the establishment, he has nothing to lose, Raila will keep his mouth shut, the stakes are high.
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Ruto knows whats in stake he can dish out that piece of land in Taveta . But can Kenyatta do the samenfor their pieces of land in Taita Taveta , Kiambu Nairobi and Nakuru ? You are being played and it seems you dont know.
Echo chamber. Pole sana. Why give promise when he has big Taveta and other land he can give hasola already? Can he handle a fund?
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Ruto is playing a dangerous game.
Let us look at the coastal region alone that is Taita Kilifi and Kwale and Lamu counties alone...Maybe 500,000 acres.If we give each acre an average valuation of 600,000 per acre that is a total of 350 Billion.
Where will he get the 350BN to finance that scheme?Is he going to borrow from the Chinese or who?
How will those farmers pay those loans?Which bank will finance them?What cash crop will they grow?
What will be the criteria of giving title deeds to the recipients?What will be the maximum acre given to each individual?
That is coast region alone about 500k acres,What about Nakuru Kajiado Narok counties?
Ruto will overvalue the land,pay the land owners peanuts while pocket the huge cut and give land to his recipient's like weta n Madvd..
Majority of land owners in Kenya are ex president ministers service men police drug barons mercenaries...When you forcefully take their stolen property..that is WAR.Such crazy ideas of forceful acquisition of illegal wealth leads to Haiti or Liberia situation of coups counter coups and war.
Land issues are very emotive.
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Let's wait for the details in the manifesto. But if using same model like of 1960s - but this time to take land from kenya colonial land owner - then gov doesnt have to spend much. Gov remember can buy land cheaply. 200k is more than enough - in fact even 100K per acre - which is equal to lease of 10k per year for 10 or 20yrs. These are mostly rural lands.
Gov just need to float long term bond for this...private sector contribute money...and wait for peasant to pay them annually....with gov as the gurantor.
Something like a land bank - but generally we cannot have coast kind of situation where million sit on land they dont own - and cannot do any serious development - because some absentee arab landlord is not there.
Ruto is playing a dangerous game.
Let us look at the coastal region alone that is Taita Kilifi and Kwale and Lamu counties alone...Maybe 500,000 acres.If we give each acre an average valuation of 600,000 per acre that is a total of 350 Billion.
Where will he get the 350BN to finance that scheme?Is he going to borrow from the Chinese or who?
How will those farmers pay those loans?Which bank will finance them?What cash crop will they grow?
What will be the criteria of giving title deeds to the recipients?What will be the maximum acre given to each individual?
That is coast region alone about 500k acres,What about Nakuru Kajiado Narok counties?
Ruto will overvalue the land,pay the land owners peanuts while pocket the huge cut and give land to his recipient's like weta n Madvd..
Majority of land owners in Kenya are ex president ministers service men police drug barons mercenaries...When you forcefully take their stolen property..that is WAR.Such crazy ideas of forceful acquisition of illegal wealth leads to Haiti or Liberia situation of coups counter coups and war.
Land issues are very emotive.
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If we did in 1960s - we can do it in now - with more positive results. People eventually paid for the land - as money was not free but low interest loan lasting 20yrs.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/484409
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If 1960s a million acre settlement scheme plan helped kikuyus, luhyas, kalenjin and gusii to settle in British land - the same can help coastarians settle in Arab land - gov acquires the land complusorily and give them cheap long term loans. We sort out land issue completely. The idle land owned by idle investor become active. Kenyatta and Criticos will have to sell land cheaply to gov - and Taita will be settled into it. That kenyatta idle land I bet is 100k per acre - average stamp duty in those areas will show up.
https://land.igad.int/index.php/documents-1/countries/kenya/investment-3/645-kenya-experience-in-land-reform-the-million-acre-settlement-scheme/file
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Laikipia - same problem of few barons owning 100k of acres - give Maasai that land as loan. Animal conservancies can go drying\
Taita - same problem - btw criticos and kenyattas - too much idle land
Kwale - to Lamu - same problem
Nakuru - settle Mau evictees in Moi and Kenyatta land
Kiambu, Machakos and Nairobi metro - give the land to chinese to build urban units.
Kenyatta will be forced to sell cheaply their thousands of illegally acquired land.
That will solve Land Problem in Kenya.
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What is the definition of IDLE LAND?
This thing of idle land is overtaken by events.If you go Kenyatta or Kibaki land 100,000 acres in Kiambu Nakuru and Laikipia Northlands Gichecha Mwalimu farms they sell hay worth between 1BN and 10BN Kenya shilling per year,Is that idle land?
If you go to coastal like in taita kilifi...you find these people farming sisal and pineapple bringing in hundreds of millions while the rest is hay for their cattle.You just even need to start a nursery for trees and plant trees all over.
If you go to Moi stolen forest lands..they plant tea I think in Mau..I don't know..tens of thousands of acres.
Ruto illegally acquired murumbi land,criticos 10000 acres and used tender kickback to build over 1000 apartments all over Kenya and godowns in every major trade route while giving it to Muteshi raw.
This whole thing is just to get votes..Anything beyond that is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE being justified by a paid bloggers.
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Peasant need that land; Kenyatta can go buy land in Europe or America; they are cheap; if not Congo or Uganda or Tanzania or Ghana; lots of cheap land for the moneyed; none for the peasants.
What is the definition of IDLE LAND?
This thing of idle land is overtaken by events.If you go Kenyatta or Kibaki land 100,000 acres in Kiambu Nakuru and Laikipia Northlands Gichecha Mwalimu farms they sell hay worth between 1BN and 10BN Kenya shilling per year,Is that idle land?
If you go to coastal like in taita kilifi...you find these people farming sisal and pineapple bringing in hundreds of millions while the rest is hay for their cattle.You just even need to start a nursery for trees and plant trees all over.
If you go to Moi stolen forest lands..they plant tea I think in Mau..I don't know..tens of thousands of acres.
Ruto illegally acquired murumbi land,criticos 10000 acres and used tender kickback to build over 1000 apartments all over Kenya and godowns in every major trade route while giving it to Muteshi raw.
This whole thing is just to get votes..Anything beyond that is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE being justified by a paid bloggers.
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I'd say coast and laikipia require this ASAP
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Idle land...?? 🤷🏿??? You didn’t know...? Nairobi National Park, Tsavo Park, Laikipia Ranches, Maasai Mara, Mau forest...
The “acquisition” of these “idle” lands has long started in small bites. Eventually with Mzito, it will be an avalanche.
What is the definition of IDLE LAND?
This thing of idle land is overtaken by events.If you go Kenyatta or Kibaki land 100,000 acres in Kiambu Nakuru and Laikipia Northlands Gichecha Mwalimu farms they sell hay worth between 1BN and 10BN Kenya shilling per year,Is that idle land?
If you go to coastal like in taita kilifi...you find these people farming sisal and pineapple bringing in hundreds of millions while the rest is hay for their cattle.You just even need to start a nursery for trees and plant trees all over.
If you go to Moi stolen forest lands..they plant tea I think in Mau..I don't know..tens of thousands of acres.
Ruto illegally acquired murumbi land,criticos 10000 acres and used tender kickback to build over 1000 apartments all over Kenya and godowns in every major trade route while giving it to Muteshi raw.
This whole thing is just to get votes..Anything beyond that is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE being justified by a paid bloggers.
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Way to go. Common sense has evaded us for too long.
Land is the most important factor of production for agrarian societies.
Would work even for food security. It is madness that we are crying of food prices with maize, wheat, rice imports. It is madness. Everyone has become a struggling hawker living very undignified living.
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He will steal it and keep it for himself. Some things about ruto remain the same.
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10 percent belong to the Ceasar - if someone give you 1million acres and reward himself na kitu kidogo :) sio mbaya compared to someone who give nothing does nothing - uzembe tu- so hapo ndio siasa ya kenya imefika
He will steal it and keep it for himself. Some things about ruto remain the same.
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8) once again this thread just confirm you as watermelon more than Kalonzo. So who has big anti-Moi & -Kenyatta axe to grind - demonstrably - Raila or Ruto?
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Ruto is not hidding his axe. Raila has huge axe he is concealing but is given to outburst like when he calls Moi takataka.
For Raila - it personal beef of 10yrs in jail - Ruto is just small tiff when Uhuru sliced him for 5yrs in power.
Ruto - has made state capture by Moi and Kenyatta key plank of his campaign...nothing personal..it business.
They will get paid the money and land given to locals.
Raila will take it for free.
8) once again this thread just confirm you as watermelon more than Kalonzo. So who has big anti-Moi & -Kenyatta axe to grind - demonstrably - Raila or Ruto?
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8) once again this thread just confirm you as watermelon more than Kalonzo. So who has big anti-Moi & -Kenyatta axe to grind - demonstrably - Raila or Ruto?
No one has an axe to grind, not Raila, not Ruto. Only Pundit. :D (And Noway, too) If there's any constant anyone can objectively draw from .ke siasa is that these folk are ready to deal (with anyone at any time). 'Permanent interests and ZERO permanent enemies' is the singular rule of Kenyan siasa. Between politicians and even the tribes following them. Amazing that our Pundit with his 20 years experience misses such a glaring, stubborn pattern. :D
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Continue dreaming. Review the last 5yrs of Uhuru and handshake. See how many Ruto allied folks are crying now. Dont delude yourself. Politics is cutthroat. Now if mlevi can give hell his opponents - what about someone super efficient like Ruto. Go back to Kibaki guys. And that was soft transition btw two friends.
No one has an axe to grind, not Raila, not Ruto. Only Pundit. :D (And Noway, too) If there's any constant anyone can objectively draw from .ke siasa is that these folk are ready to deal (with anyone at any time). 'Permanent interests and ZERO permanent enemies' is the singular rule of Kenyan siasa. Between politicians and even the tribes following them. Amazing that our Pundit with his 20 years experience misses such a glaring, stubborn pattern. :D
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Just Assets Recovery rushing to court and telling Kenyan worth more than 100 million plus to explain source of wealth, will nail 75%. KRA will nail another 20%.
Now go to the dollar billionaire dynasties out of favour. Just Sudi moving a motion in parliament saying Fuliza/Mshwari debts are usury and are forgiven will have Kenyattas and Ndegwas gasping for air.
Reason ufool is ready to work with baba and the only 'man' in Obako government. Reason we will be hearing any Ruto and Gachagua word being twisted for days. Just simple words mean terror already.
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Exactly - it takes few days to dismantle their wealth - it could take even hours for some. Ask SportPesa :) - they just cut their m-pesa link
Just Assets Recovery rushing to court and telling Kenyan worth more than 100 million plus to explain source of wealth, will nail 75%. KRA will nail another 20%.
Now go to the dollar billionaire dynasties out of favour. Just Sudi moving a motion in parliament saying Fuliza/Mshwari debts are usury and are forgiven will have Kenyattas and Ndegwas gasping for air.
Reason ufool is ready to work with baba and the only 'man' in Obako government. Reason we will be hearing any Ruto and Gachagua word being twisted for days. Just simple words mean terror already.
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Land issues are not complex to solve in Kenya. The auditor general reports have been clear on assets including public lands.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/big-names-in-kenya-prisons-kitale-land-grab-list-3830704
Ruto has to start by giving away this 2,500 fruit from a poisoned tree in Taita instead of stories.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/how-william-ruto-has-found-himself-in-the-murky-world-of-basil-criticos-in-taveta-3830498
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Ask SportPesa :) - they just cut their m-pesa link
But they've all already made their millions including karauri so who cares? I'd be worried if I were him (at least the bulgarians are not stuck in kenya) but what of the other gambling agencies? Why was sports pesa singled out?
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I dont know - maybe Ruto had share in it and Uhuru was trying to dismantle him - but its very likely other players wanted to level the playing ground - now betting pie is being shared - before sportpesa was the defacto.
But they've all already made their millions including karauri so who cares? I'd be worried if I were him (at least the bulgarians are not stuck in kenya) but what of the other gambling agencies? Why was sports pesa singled out?