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Title: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 27, 2022, 08:09:06 PM
...Putin choir boys and honest military strategist like me world wide have surmarised the invasion of Ukraine as a failure,what was thought to be a surgical stike against all major cities in Ukraine has failed leading to the 5th day. The Russians having attacked with approx 250,000 soldiers, hundreds of aircraft and thousands of armour and wheels HAVE NOT captured a major Ukrainian city. Chechnya leader now demands to send his entire army there,belarus also has started firing missiles into Ukraine after the frustrations. Now Putin has cowed nad will meet Ukraine delegates at the borderafter initial demand they meet in minsk capital of Belarusian.
Personally am in record saying real war will start after Russia captures Kiev but at this rate and thousands 3,500 Russians checking 6ft underground I don't know what to say. Don't take me wrong thousands of more Russians are pouring over the border and all Ukraine could be captured still if war continues. But I rate the Russian army very poorly its reminds me of intial stages of WW2 where they suffered catastrophic losses against Germany.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 27, 2022, 08:11:43 PM
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/02/27/Chechen-leader-Kadyrov-calls-for-expanding-Russia-s-invasion-in-all-directions-

Frustrated Putin talks nuclear war of course having suffered those casualties I would do same

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-deterrent-forces-on-alert
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 27, 2022, 08:18:56 PM
US sanctions and closure of airspaces by like partners crippled Putin. Also supply of superior weapons that has seen over 1000 Russian soldiers killed is slowly sinking Putin. In weeks, he will be isolated man leading an anemic economy. Russian people will be very poor going forward!
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 27, 2022, 08:23:36 PM

Go slow on Drinking  Western Media Kool Aid.

...Putin choir boys and honest military strategist like me world wide have surmarised the invasion of Ukraine as a failure,what was thought to be a surgical stike against all major cities in Ukraine has failed leading to the 5th day. The Russians having attacked with approx 250,000 soldiers, hundreds of aircraft and thousands of armour and wheels HAVE NOT captured a major Ukrainian city. Chechnya leader now demands to send his entire army there,belarus also has started firing missiles into Ukraine after the frustrations. Now Putin has cowed nad will meet Ukraine delegates at the borderafter initial demand they meet in minsk capital of Belarusian.
Personally am in record saying real war will start after Russia captures Kiev but at this rate and thousands 3,500 Russians checking 6ft underground I don't know what to say. Don't take me wrong thousands of more Russians are pouring over the border and all Ukraine could be captured still if war continues. But I rate the Russian army very poorly its reminds me of intial stages of WW2 where they suffered catastrophic losses against Germany.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: mankind on February 27, 2022, 08:25:13 PM
  Hopefully this is the beginning of cooler heads.  I  don't think most folks understand what we are headed for if someone miscalculates and we end up in the stone age.

   https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/27/pentagon-moscow-backchannel-escalation-00012107
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 27, 2022, 08:26:12 PM
US sanctions and closure of airspaces by like partners crippled Putin. Also supply of superior weapons that has seen over 1000 Russian soldiers killed is slowly sinking Putin. In weeks, he will be isolated man leading an anemic economy. Russian people will be very poor going forward!
Yes its seems Russia has not modernised its land forces most of their equipment is obsolete the Ukrainian Javeline and Nlaw anti tank/armour are doing major damage to Russian soldiers it's soo sad,on social media especially Twitter they are burnt out bodies of Russians in the armoured vehicles. Russia army is till 20 years behind the west am sure NATO is very happy with these results. Just 2 anti tank system crippling the world largest army :(
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 27, 2022, 08:28:29 PM
  Hopefully this is the beginning of cooler heads.  I  don't think most folks understand what we are headed for if someone miscalculates and we end up in the stone age.

   https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/27/pentagon-moscow-backchannel-escalation-00012107
Well you have to understand Putin has nothing more to lose that's why he won't mind a nuclear war but he will be assassinated or overthrown by his own people before that.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 27, 2022, 08:34:21 PM
US sanctions and closure of airspaces by like partners crippled Putin. Also supply of superior weapons that has seen over 1000 Russian soldiers killed is slowly sinking Putin. In weeks, he will be isolated man leading an anemic economy. Russian people will be very poor going forward!
Yes its seems Russia has not modernised its land forces most of their equipment is obsolete the Ukrainian Javeline and Nlaw anti tank/armour are doing major damage to Russian soldiers it's soo sad,on social media especially Twitter they are burnt out bodies of Russians in the armoured vehicles. Russia army is till 20 years behind the west am sure NATO is very happy with these results. Just 2 anti tank system crippling the world largest army :(
This is the information age. Wars are being fought in cyber space crippling Russia ministries. Putin is fighting a 60s war. In this age of mobile phones, mobile everything, so are the shoulder held Javelin and Nlaw missile launchers
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 27, 2022, 08:39:14 PM
  Hopefully this is the beginning of cooler heads.  I  don't think most folks understand what we are headed for if someone miscalculates and we end up in the stone age.

   https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/27/pentagon-moscow-backchannel-escalation-00012107
Well you have to understand Putin has nothing more to lose that's why he won't mind a nuclear war but he will be assassinated or overthrown by his own people before that.
Now it seems clear just how innocently Hitler showed up on world stage. Like the muderous dictator before him, who was driven to his death before he could effectively use the superior jet missiles the superior Germany inventors were perfecting, Putin will go before he can use any nuclear weapons. Putin's war will become a World War 3 (the whole world's business) if it becomes an issue about the survival of man.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 27, 2022, 08:48:38 PM

Twitter /facebook/Youtube will show what their masters want you to see.


US sanctions and closure of airspaces by like partners crippled Putin. Also supply of superior weapons that has seen over 1000 Russian soldiers killed is slowly sinking Putin. In weeks, he will be isolated man leading an anemic economy. Russian people will be very poor going forward!
Yes its seems Russia has not modernised its land forces most of their equipment is obsolete the Ukrainian Javeline and Nlaw anti tank/armour are doing major damage to Russian soldiers it's soo sad,on social media especially Twitter they are burnt out bodies of Russians in the armoured vehicles. Russia army is till 20 years behind the west am sure NATO is very happy with these results. Just 2 anti tank system crippling the world largest army :(
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 27, 2022, 08:57:41 PM
So are you saying those causalities of war are not Russian? With their superior might why should they suffer loses on this scale?


Twitter /facebook/Youtube will show what their masters want you to see.


US sanctions and closure of airspaces by like partners crippled Putin. Also supply of superior weapons that has seen over 1000 Russian soldiers killed is slowly sinking Putin. In weeks, he will be isolated man leading an anemic economy. Russian people will be very poor going forward!
Yes its seems Russia has not modernised its land forces most of their equipment is obsolete the Ukrainian Javeline and Nlaw anti tank/armour are doing major damage to Russian soldiers it's soo sad,on social media especially Twitter they are burnt out bodies of Russians in the armoured vehicles. Russia army is till 20 years behind the west am sure NATO is very happy with these results. Just 2 anti tank system crippling the world largest army :(
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 27, 2022, 08:59:10 PM


14m ago 17:54

Vitali Klitschko, Kyivs mayor and former world heavyweight boxing champion, has described the Ukraine capital as encircled and said a civilian evacuation would not be possible because all ways are blocked.

We are at the border of a humanitarian catastrophe, he told Associated Press on Sunday as a curfew continued in the city which he said allowed authorities to hunt saboteurs on the streets. Right now, we have electricity, right now we have water and heating in our houses. But the infrastructure is destroyed to deliver the food and medication.

Thats why the message for everyone is: Support Ukraine together ... We are strong, he said. Every Ukrainian is proud to be independent, proud to be Ukrainian, and we are proud to have our own country.

Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: patel on February 27, 2022, 09:53:54 PM
I think Putin has been slowly to bomb Ukraine back to stone age to allow people to evacuate. In the end Kiev like all other city will fall. Never elect a comedian as president...
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 27, 2022, 10:49:34 PM
Pure comedy.Please Russian pack real shiet in military..Putin is trying to get Ukraine military top brass to negotiate..if in Syria US watched in amazement as Russian undid all they work in few months.Ukraine stand absolutely no chance.Its like Poland in Nazi hilter time
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: sema on February 27, 2022, 10:50:43 PM
They are two kinds of people that underestimate the west:

1) Those that have never lived in the west

2) those that have never been to Russia or China (Ive been to China. Its a shithole country. Outside of Beijing & shanghai, its 3rd world)

3) Russia will be locked out of the swift system & Putin will eventually be removed & killed by his own people.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 27, 2022, 10:54:46 PM
They are two kinds of people that underestimate the west:

1) Those that have never lived in the west

2) those that have never been to Russia or China (Ive been to China. Its a shithole country. Outside of Beijing & shanghai, its 3rd world)

3) Russia will be locked out of the swift system & Putin will eventually be removed & killed by his own people.

Another comedian...Mpesa is now about as busy as swift .China run their own payment system that is now busier than swift
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: sema on February 27, 2022, 11:00:45 PM
Google swift & come back to me. Comparing mpesa to swift is the real comedy.

Your problem pundit is that youve never lived in the west or been to China or Russia

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      This is much bigger than even the SWIFT shutdown.

Russia made the mistake of holding its assets on computers where others have root access.

With a keypress they got shut down. QWERTY was in retrospect much more of a threat to them than NATO.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 27, 2022, 11:26:13 PM
I live in the west as we speak..my friend you don't know me..I have never stepped in mavoko..still water run deep
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 12:32:35 AM
That is Pundit's handicap. To compare SWIFT with Mpesa is a big joke.

Pundit, living in the West is not spending 3 months in Switzerland. That is just a visit. Living and understanding the West requires years. Also I have noticed the older people are who move to the West, the less the understand the West.

Google swift & come back to me. Comparing mpesa to swift is the real comedy.

Your problem pundit is that youve never lived in the west or been to China or Russia
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 28, 2022, 04:49:13 AM
What so difficult to understand about the west genius kadudu.China has built a rival to swift.This is not first time Russia faced sanctions..it now a yearly routine....Yuan and China are saving Russia economically so any chokehold of Russia doesn't work
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 04:57:38 AM
If you have been to the west you realise how vulnerable the cities are.
Russia is Not China . I fail to understand why you always mention China when you try to explain how Russia is . You have never been there perhaps you have been to China .Dont mix up China and Russia.
Last point . Its good that a new alternate system will come up. Same blunder that trump made by banning Google on China. China speeded up another system and they had to backtrack. It was too late.

They are two kinds of people that underestimate the west:

1) Those that have never lived in the west

2) those that have never been to Russia or China (Ive been to China. Its a shithole country. Outside of Beijing & shanghai, its 3rd world)

3) Russia will be locked out of the swift system & Putin will eventually be removed & killed by his own people.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 28, 2022, 05:08:38 AM
The days when western Europe was all that ended with China economy rivaling the entire EU.Other small countries in the global south with no issues with Russia have risen.Bottomline Putin wins this.Negotiate for ceasefire and address Russia concern of NATO expansion and encircling their country
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 05:09:39 AM
Living in the West has made some of you get brainwashed. So living in West will make you know Swift better than a person not living there?

Google swift & come back to me. Comparing mpesa to swift is the real comedy.

Your problem pundit is that youve never lived in the west or been to China or Russia

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      This is much bigger than even the SWIFT shutdown.

Russia made the mistake of holding its assets on computers where others have root access.

With a keypress they got shut down. QWERTY was in retrospect much more of a threat to them than NATO.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 05:18:19 AM

https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/cutting-russia-off-swift-could-accelerate-beijing-moscow-alternative-payments-system-1084943.html


Exclusion from the global financial system could compel Russia and China to build an alternative financial system to the Brussels-based SWIFT payments system. Iran was once cut off from the SWIFT system. However, Russia will be the first major country to be cut off.

Foreshadowing the possibility of stricter economic sanctions, Russia has already started building its alternative payment system called SPFS. Similarly, in 2015 China also launched its own version of payments systems called Cross-Border Interbank Payment System (CIPS) to internationalise the use of Yuan. Both countries are also exploring options to adopt these alternative models in their respective banking systems.

Although both systems are in the nascent stage of development and not as widely accepted as SWIFT, it indicates Moscow and Beijing's recognition of the need to come together amidst the threat of exclusion from the international financial system. Beijing's efforts to promote digital Yuan (e-CNY) are also supposed to bolster its ability to facilitate cross-border payments. Already being tested in around ten regions of China, the testing of e-CNY was also launched for foreigners during the Beijing Winter Olympics.

Also Read  Putin is on a personal mission to rewrite Cold War history, making the risks in Ukraine far graver

SWIFT, Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, is an international financial service that enables international financial transactions through a network of banks. Founded in 1973, it has become a standard in international finance to use SWIFT messaging service for international transactions. Interestingly, SWIFT was founded out of fear that one American financial institution may dominate and control the global flow of crucial financial information. And now it has become an instrument of foreign policy, even though a Belgium-based global-cooperative society manages it.

In his interview with Russian media, Zhang Hanhui said that China was pleased to see that the Russian government has expanded "purchase of financial products denominated in renminbi (RMB), and investment in reserve currency" among other uses of RMB. He highlighted this as an indicator of positive progress in promoting the diversification of bilateral trade settlement between the two countries. According to numbers quoted by Zhang in the same interview, 17.5 per cent of trade between China and Russia was settled in Yuan in 2020. This is a significant increase since 2014, which recorded trade in Yuan at 3.1 per cent.

Notably, Russia's third-largest oil and gas producer, Gazprom Neft, switched to renminbi for settlement of fuelling Russian planes in China. It is the first Russian company to switch to renminbi-based settlement.

Also Read  Chinese firms expect limited impact from Ukraine crisis; some seek to benefit

Private companies in China are also working together with Russian companies to build a digital payments system. For example, AliPay, a subsidiary of Alibaba, has teamed up with Russian internet giant VK (formerly known as Mail.ru) to offer digital payment services to Russian users. In 2019, "Yandex.Checkout" became the first online retailer in Russia to accept WeChat Pay. It is a joint venture of Sberbank, Russia's largest bank, and Yandex.

Move to build an alternative international payments system similar to SWIFT would be rooted in realism. Both countries have emerged as rivals of the West in Europe and the Indo-Pacific, respectively. Both countries have faced numerous sanctions over the last few years. Both countries know sanctions may only get stricter over time. Thus, it is prudent and won't be unexpected if Beijing and Moscow stick together despite differences in their worldview. Moreover, despite an imbalance in Russia and China's economic relationship already, Moscow has very few options but to strengthen its relations with China.

This might be Beijing's moment to shine as Russia's trusted partner.

Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: sema on February 28, 2022, 07:28:35 AM
What so difficult to understand about the west genius kadudu.China has built a rival to swift.This is not first time Russia faced sanctions..it now a yearly routine....Yuan and China are saving Russia economically so any chokehold of Russia doesn't work

CHina and Russia cannot be trusted when it comes to the rule of law.  They are two sets of laws in China. One for the CCP and one for everyone else. would you put $1 billion dollars in NYC, Moscow or Beijing? Nobody trusts the ruble or yuan.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 11:02:43 AM
Tell these blind mice. They cannot even ask themselves why rich Chinese and Russians busy investing in the "decaying West". Never heard of a Russian Oligarch buying a mansion in Shanghai or a Chinese billionaire buying a dacha in Russia. These rich Chinese and Oligarchs know where their investments are safe. Only Pundit and his ilk busy commenting on issues they have no clue of.

Ati comparing SWIFT with Mpesa. Try using Mpesa to transfer 200.000 Ksh to Uganda.

Btw, anyone of you know when the last Russia-China war took place?

CHina and Russia cannot be trusted when it comes to the rule of law.  They are two sets of laws in China. One for the CCP and one for everyone else. would you put $1 billion dollars in NYC, Moscow or Beijing? Nobody trusts the ruble or yuan.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 11:09:34 AM

First ask yourself who is a Russian Oligarch.
These are corrupt officials who enriched themselves during Yelstins era. When Putin came to power he dethroned them and they fled to Western capitals.
Rich Individuals in Russia nolonger invest abroad  after 2014.
Kadudu have you ever been to Russia ?

Tell these blind mice. They cannot even ask themselves why rich Chinese and Russians busy investing in the "decaying West". Never heard of a Russian Oligarch buying a mansion in Shanghai or a Chinese billionaire buying a dacha in Russia. These rich Chinese and Oligarchs know where their investments are safe. Only Pundit and his ilk busy commenting on issues they have no clue of.

Ati comparing SWIFT with Mpesa. Try using Mpesa to transfer 200.000 Ksh to Uganda.

Btw, anyone of you know when the last Russia-China war took place?

CHina and Russia cannot be trusted when it comes to the rule of law.  They are two sets of laws in China. One for the CCP and one for everyone else. would you put $1 billion dollars in NYC, Moscow or Beijing? Nobody trusts the ruble or yuan.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
Clueless as usual. Do you think there any Oligarchs in Russia without the blessings of Putin?

First, have you been there yourself?


First ask yourself who is a Russian Oligarch.
These are corrupt officials who enriched themselves during Yelstins era. When Putin came to power he dethroned them and they fled to Western capitals.
Rich Individuals in Russia nolonger invest abroad  after 2014.
Kadudu have you ever been to Russia ?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Nowayhaha, what do you have to say to the following?

The Russian central bank has increased interest rates to 20% from 9.5% after the rouble plunged up to 40% on Monday in the wake of western sanctions.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: GeeMail on February 28, 2022, 11:31:08 AM
Putin going out in a blaze. Mutually assisted suicide.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 11:44:50 AM

Tell me the current Russian Oligarchs ?
You are the one who is Clueless. Name the current Oligarchs

Clueless as usual. Do you think there any Oligarchs in Russia without the blessings of Putin?

First, have you been there yourself?


First ask yourself who is a Russian Oligarch.
These are corrupt officials who enriched themselves during Yelstins era. When Putin came to power he dethroned them and they fled to Western capitals.
Rich Individuals in Russia nolonger invest abroad  after 2014.
Kadudu have you ever been to Russia ?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on February 28, 2022, 11:45:33 AM
Tell these blind mice. They cannot even ask themselves why rich Chinese and Russians busy investing in the "decaying West". Never heard of a Russian Oligarch buying a mansion in Shanghai or a Chinese billionaire buying a dacha in Russia. These rich Chinese and Oligarchs know where their investments are safe. Only Pundit and his ilk busy commenting on issues they have no clue of.

Ati comparing SWIFT with Mpesa. Try using Mpesa to transfer 200.000 Ksh to Uganda.

Btw, anyone of you know when the last Russia-China war took place?

CHina and Russia cannot be trusted when it comes to the rule of law.  They are two sets of laws in China. One for the CCP and one for everyone else. would you put $1 billion dollars in NYC, Moscow or Beijing? Nobody trusts the ruble or yuan.
I use Mpesa worldwide..this new world
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: patel on February 28, 2022, 11:53:33 AM
Putin wins this one. It's sad to watch poor Ukrainian being egged to fight on a hopeless fight they cannot win. We are staring at humanitarian catastrophe. Negotiate a ceasefire, Russia gets to keep half of Ukraine (eastern part). Lesson learnt never elect a drunkard or comedian as  president.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 11:54:26 AM
Sanctions will bite in the short run . In the long run  Russia will fimd alternate means of thriving the economy .
Asia , Middle East and Africa will come in handy.
Europe will lose its competitive edge in the World Economy .
They will lose a Market of 150M population , will have to buy expensive gas/oil  where as China will benefit from this.
Nowayhaha, what do you have to say to the following?

The Russian central bank has increased interest rates to 20% from 9.5% after the rouble plunged up to 40% on Monday in the wake of western sanctions.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 11:58:49 AM
Have you answered my statement? It is as if you are the only one using mpesa.


Ati comparing SWIFT with Mpesa. Try using Mpesa to transfer 200.000 Ksh to Uganda.

Btw, anyone of you know when the last Russia-China war took place?

I use Mpesa worldwide..this new world
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 12:00:58 PM
On another note. I friend wants to buy a medical instrument in Europe for about 40.000. Should I advice him to use mpesa to transfer the cash?


]I use Mpesa worldwide..this new world
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 28, 2022, 12:02:03 PM
Nowayhaha, what do you have to say to the following?

The Russian central bank has increased interest rates to 20% from 9.5% after the rouble plunged up to 40% on Monday in the wake of western sanctions.
The clumsy guy who pundit calls low IQ won't know how to answer you on this one. And Pundit himself will avoid responding to this same post simply because you are posting facts.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 12:02:33 PM
You are a hopeless case.


Tell me the current Russian Oligarchs ?
You are the one who is Clueless. Name the current Oligarchs
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 28, 2022, 12:03:15 PM
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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 12:07:02 PM
You cant name any  simply because you dont know what you are talking about....

You are a hopeless case.


Tell me the current Russian Oligarchs ?
You are the one who is Clueless. Name the current Oligarchs
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 12:09:21 PM
A Ukranian farmer talking in pure Russian with a Russian accent. Very Ironic.


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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
It is like asking me to name any British royals. The obvious does not need to be mentioned.

You cant name any  simply because you dont know what you are talking about....
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 28, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Most Ukrainians speak 3 languages fluently. You yourself posted an insha here that historically Ukraine has been part of Russia.
You should be the last one to make such a query because the other day you posted that  you, @Noway speaks 10 languages and I was like @Haha given how appalling your English is!  :57:

Internet never forgets: https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=9685.msg87652#msg87652


A Ukranian farmer talking in pure Russian with a Russian accent. Very Ironic.


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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 01:10:02 PM
Go ahead and name the obvious. Name the current Oligarchs ?

You have no clue what an Oligarch means , just parroting what you have previously heard in the media.

It is like asking me to name any British royals. The obvious does not need to be mentioned.

You cant name any  simply because you dont know what you are talking about....
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 01:14:18 PM

When they speak Russian you can easily identify that one is a ukranian . Their G becomes H and their Ey becomes i.
That one there is pure Russian .

Ukrainians easily speak 3 languages fluently easily. Google and see.
You should be the last to query that because the other day you posted here that you @Noway speaks 9 languages and I was like @Haha!
A Ukranian farmer talking in pure Russian with a Russian accent. Very Ironic.


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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 01:47:06 PM
Let me just start with a few, Roman Abramowitsch, Mikhail Fridman and Gennadi Timchenko.

Do not tell me those are chokoras.

Go ahead and name the obvious. Name the current Oligarchs ?

You have no clue what an Oligarch means , just parroting what you have previously heard in the media.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on February 28, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
They are two kinds of people that underestimate the west:

1) Those that have never lived in the west

2) those that have never been to Russia or China (Ive been to China. Its a shithole country. Outside of Beijing & shanghai, its 3rd world)

3) Russia will be locked out of the swift system & Putin will eventually be removed & killed by his own people.

I honestly think it's the other way around.  :D You guys who are so partisan towards the West understimate them severely. You underestimate how crafty they can be, and I mean specifically, the US.

Modern-day Europe without the US is prone to being reasonable often, if we exclude France, but the US? Having been completely taken over by its own special brand of oligarchy the Big US of A is truly something else. Study American imperial history since WWII vizuri and you'll develop a healthy fear of this Bazungu. No exaggeration. :D

Btw, China is like a continent. Place is ridiculously huge and has great diversity. Are you really, seriously saying that out of literally hundreds of Chinese cities, you've sufficiently inspected and judged only Beijing and Shanghai to surpass the "s-hole" standard, as you put it?

You've been to ALL these cities here? Soma tu hii wiki pekee. How many of these cities have you evaluated? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_China

I think you're the victim of relentless American propaganda.

I've seen some American places that are truly nothing to write home about.  :D So maybe we should start by defining what you classify as "s-hole."
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 28, 2022, 04:00:38 PM
Russian army is useless. I am seeing videos of them packing convoys of 350 vehicles on a highway to kivy. Which idiot does this? Ukraine is using Turkish drones to decimate these convoys. It is crazy how cavalier they tookxthis war. May be putin will make major adjustments this week
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 05:26:53 PM
You see as I predicted you don know anything about the Russian Oligarchy
Abromovich and Fridman is what you can call Original Oligarchy  they made their money during the fall of USSR and Yeltsin Presidency years . Actually Fridman is a Ukranian  . They are not the modern day / Current Oligarchy who basically are Putins inner circle -Hence the reason they were never hit with 2014 Sanctions.
Timchenko is in Putins inner circle (Current Oligarchy) and transferred most of his Foreign shares /assets prior to 2014 Sanctions .

Now if you want to know the current Oligarchy here are the names Gennady Timchenko ,Andrei Skoch , Kirill Shamalov ,Oleg Deripaska ,Viktor Vekselberg, Vladimir Bogdanov, Suleiman Kerimov, Igor Rotenberg, Arkady & Boris Rotenberg
Yuri Kovalchuk and Leonid Mikhelson




   


Let me just start with a few, Roman Abramowitsch, Mikhail Fridman and Gennadi Timchenko.

Do not tell me those are chokoras.

Go ahead and name the obvious. Name the current Oligarchs ?

You have no clue what an Oligarch means , just parroting what you have previously heard in the media.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 05:38:04 PM
Thanks for the information.

Why did you keep on denying the existence of oligarchs in Putin's regime? Even the past oligarchs are still oligarchs unless they lost their mula like Michail Chodorkowski.

Btw, is it not strange that many of these oligarchs are Jews?

You see as I predicted you don know anything about the Russian Oligarchy
Abromovich and Fridman is what you can call Original Oligarchy  they made their money during the fall of USSR and Yeltsin Presidency years . Actually Fridman is a Ukranian  . They are not the modern day / Current Oligarchy who basically are Putins inner circle -Hence the reason they were never hit with 2014 Sanctions.
Timchenko is in Putins inner circle (Current Oligarchy) and transferred most of his Foreign shares /assets prior to 2014 Sanctions .

Now if you want to know the current Oligarchy here are the names Gennady Timchenko ,Andrei Skoch , Kirill Shamalov ,Oleg Deripaska ,Viktor Vekselberg, Vladimir Bogdanov, Suleiman Kerimov, Igor Rotenberg, Arkady & Boris Rotenberg
Yuri Kovalchuk and Leonid Mikhelson




   


Let me just start with a few, Roman Abramowitsch, Mikhail Fridman and Gennadi Timchenko.

Do not tell me those are chokoras.

Go ahead and name the obvious. Name the current Oligarchs ?

You have no clue what an Oligarch means , just parroting what you have previously heard in the media.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 05:45:34 PM
The Current Oligarchy in Putins inner circle have been hit with Sanctions since 2014 so when you come here and proclaim they are investing abroad shows you dont know what you are talking about . The Yelstin years Oligarchs fled Russia when Putin came to power and have heavily invested abroad .


Thanks for the information.

Why did you keep on denying the existence of oligarchs in Putin's regime? Even the past oligarchs are still oligarchs unless they lost their mula like Michail Chodorkowski.

Btw, is it not strange that many of these oligarchs are Jews?

You see as I predicted you don know anything about the Russian Oligarchy
Abromovich and Fridman is what you can call Original Oligarchy  they made their money during the fall of USSR and Yeltsin Presidency years . Actually Fridman is a Ukranian  . They are not the modern day / Current Oligarchy who basically are Putins inner circle -Hence the reason they were never hit with 2014 Sanctions.
Timchenko is in Putins inner circle (Current Oligarchy) and transferred most of his Foreign shares /assets prior to 2014 Sanctions .

Now if you want to know the current Oligarchy here are the names Gennady Timchenko ,Andrei Skoch , Kirill Shamalov ,Oleg Deripaska ,Viktor Vekselberg, Vladimir Bogdanov, Suleiman Kerimov, Igor Rotenberg, Arkady & Boris Rotenberg
Yuri Kovalchuk and Leonid Mikhelson




   


Let me just start with a few, Roman Abramowitsch, Mikhail Fridman and Gennadi Timchenko.

Do not tell me those are chokoras.

Go ahead and name the obvious. Name the current Oligarchs ?

You have no clue what an Oligarch means , just parroting what you have previously heard in the media.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 28, 2022, 05:49:11 PM
Russian army is useless. I am seeing videos of them packing convoys of 350 vehicles on a highway to kivy. Which idiot does this? Ukraine is using Turkish drones to decimate these convoys. It is crazy how cavalier they tookxthis war. May be putin will make major adjustments this week

Unfortunately this is why they are likely resort to indiscriminate bombing.  A war crime.  Imagine mungiki with tanks and rockets.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 06:01:48 PM

This is what you are praying for  Russia has skillfully avoided anything which can be considered as war crime.
Ukraine with all their video happy propaganda machines are displaying alot of war crime evidence. Some are fake but they will be hunted down and will answer for war crimes.
Your likes are just cheering on everything . Russia has kept it clean.
Russian army is useless. I am seeing videos of them packing convoys of 350 vehicles on a highway to kivy. Which idiot does this? Ukraine is using Turkish drones to decimate these convoys. It is crazy how cavalier they tookxthis war. May be putin will make major adjustments this week

Unfortunately this is why they are likely resort to indiscriminate bombing.  A war crime.  Imagine mungiki with tanks and rockets.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on February 28, 2022, 06:02:59 PM
Another baseless statement from mjuaji.
Ati Putin's oligarchs do not invest outside Russia. Kweli you are naive.

The Current Oligarchy in Putins inner circle have been hit with Sanctions since 2014 so when you come here and proclaim they are investing abroad shows you dont know what you are talking about . The Yelstin years Oligarchs fled Russia when Putin came to power and have heavily invested abroad .
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 28, 2022, 06:14:59 PM
Safaricom and entire Vodafone use SWIFT on the top level. When they cut you of the SWIFT banking system is like slitting your throat. You will bleed until you shit and die
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on February 28, 2022, 07:49:48 PM
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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 08:10:23 PM

Good to see its already Autumn in Ukraine....How they went from Winter in Feb to Spring to Summer To Autumn is just but a miracle.

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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: sema on February 28, 2022, 11:12:24 PM
Safaricom and entire Vodafone use SWIFT on the top level. When they cut you of the SWIFT banking system is like slitting your throat. You will bleed until you shit and die

Tell these people who've never left Kenya to stick to analyzing Azimio la umoja. Jokers are comparing SWIFT to MPESA

Sanctions against the Central Bank of Russia; Russia's National wealth fund and Russia's ministry of Finance.  Renders all of Russian governments rainy day funds inert.

Come back and tell us how Putin wins this?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 28, 2022, 11:27:21 PM

These people think living abroad is achieving. Some of have lived that abroad went back to Kenya , Lived abroad again went back to Kenya and right now just pop in abroad from time to time and different parts of abroad.
As we speak maybe will be coming in your city in a few. Which city are you will take you out for lunch .....

Safaricom and entire Vodafone use SWIFT on the top level. When they cut you of the SWIFT banking system is like slitting your throat. You will bleed until you shit and die

Tell these people who've never left Kenya to stick to analyzing Azimio la umoja. Jokers are comparing SWIFT to MPESA

Sanctions against the Central Bank of Russia; Russia's National wealth fund and Russia's ministry of Finance.  Renders all of Russian governments rainy day funds inert.

Come back and tell us how Putin wins this?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: KenyanPlato on March 01, 2022, 12:31:46 AM
Russians are getting a beating. They advanced on roads with no airforce cover or some ground troops. Bure sana Hawa

Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on March 01, 2022, 04:30:43 AM
If it is Autumn where are the fallen leaves?
Perhaps it is only in Muranga where you get Armed forces issue like Tanks being pulled as trailers by civilian tractors. Let Ruto know that is how safe his tangatanga  votes will be protected.


Good to see its already Autumn in Ukraine....How they went from Winter in Feb to Spring to Summer To Autumn is just but a miracle.

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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: audacityofhope on March 01, 2022, 04:39:41 AM
Mr. "I speak 10 languages", if it is Autumn where are the fallen leaves?
Perhaps it is only in Muranga where you get Armed forces issue like Tanks being pulled as trailers by civilian tractors. Let your god know that this is how safe his tangatanga  votes will be protected.


Good to see its already Autumn in Ukraine....How they went from Winter in Feb to Spring to Summer To Autumn is just but a miracle.

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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 01, 2022, 10:03:38 AM
Russian army is useless. I am seeing videos of them packing convoys of 350 vehicles on a highway to kivy. Which idiot does this? Ukraine is using Turkish drones to decimate these convoys. It is crazy how cavalier they tookxthis war. May be putin will make major adjustments this week
Russia armour has been decimated by javelin and nlaw and other western smart bombs,Russia i repeat will lick it wounds its behind 20 years against the west.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 01, 2022, 04:39:28 PM

This is  Ukraine in Feb

(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/308261df-bf86-4025-b453-374bfa26860a.jpg)

If it is Autumn where are the fallen leaves?
Perhaps it is only in Muranga where you get Armed forces issue like Tanks being pulled as trailers by civilian tractors. Let Ruto know that is how safe his tangatanga  votes will be protected.


Good to see its already Autumn in Ukraine....How they went from Winter in Feb to Spring to Summer To Autumn is just but a miracle.

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?s=20&t=zh7gMUTw7ouNMP9rGNQ1Yg
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 01, 2022, 06:26:00 PM
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NATO Intelligences Behind Anti-Russian Fake News About Ukraine Op Foreign Ministry

NATO intelligence services are behind the anti-Russian fake news about the Russian military operation in Ukraine, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova claimed.

"A colossal stream of fakes... Now it's all filling and flooding our information space. Moreover, I want to say that real intelligence agencies are behind this, not some invented ones... This is a colossal confrontation, which is undoubtedly guided and conducted by Brussels. This is, of course, the infrastructure of NATO, which is involved," she said.




Russian army is useless. I am seeing videos of them packing convoys of 350 vehicles on a highway to kivy. Which idiot does this? Ukraine is using Turkish drones to decimate these convoys. It is crazy how cavalier they tookxthis war. May be putin will make major adjustments this week
Russia armour has been decimated by javelin and nlaw and other western smart bombs,Russia i repeat will lick it wounds its behind 20 years against the west.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: GeeMail on March 01, 2022, 07:31:39 PM
War is also psychological. Pravda KGB cannot match NATO propaganda.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 15, 2022, 08:02:04 AM
Russia is completely useless I can even say Abiys EPDF is better. Now they are requesting help from china weapons and money
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 15, 2022, 08:14:57 AM
Russia is completely useless I can even say Abiys EPDF is better. Now they are requesting help from china weapons and money
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china

This is already debunked old fake news. Both China and Russia denied this. I'm surprised how brazen Western media is in propaganda.

Russia is yet to touch 80% of its weapons, why would it need to borrow? And why would super-careful China want to wade into these troubled waters so carelessly? Hii ni urongo mtupu.

China will open up to more trade and economic partnership with Russia as sanctions decouple Russia from the West, for sure. So will India and other Bric's. That's the extent and limit of them helping Russia.

They Chinese know the US is a toothless monster when it comes to China; Trump's trade war with China just hurt the US more, hardly hurt China. They know that China is the biggest trading partner of Europe, most of Asia, Africa, Latam, and even the US itself. They fully know there's nothing like sanctioning China in this day and age, just pretending. If most countries outside Europe have ignored the illegal Russian sanctions, virtually NOBODY would help them in an attempt to sanction China. So unless something happens to provoke some kind of hot conflict directly involving the Chinese, there's no way they're involving themselves directly in the war. They'll just trade more with Russia. That's all.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 15, 2022, 08:20:11 AM
Russia is completely useless I can even say Abiys EPDF is better. Now they are requesting help from china weapons and money
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china

This is already debunked old fake news. Both China and Russia denied this. I'm surprised how brazen Western media is in propaganda.

Russia is yet to touch 80% of its weapons, why would it need to borrow? And why would super-careful China want to wade into these troubled waters so carelessly? Hii ni urongo mtupu. China will open up to more trade and economic partnership with Russia as sanctions decouple Russia from the West. So will India and other Bric's. That's the extent and limit of them helping Russia. They know US is a toothless monster when it comes to China; Trump's trade war with China just hurt the US more, hardly hurt China. China is the biggest trading partner of Europe, most of Asia, Africa, Latam, and even the US itself. There's nothing like sanctioning Russia. If most countries outside Europe have ignored the illegal American sanctions, virtually NOBODY would help them in an attempt to sanction China. So unless something happens to provoke some kind of hot conflict directly involving the Chinese, there's no way they're involving themselves directly in the war. They'll just trade more with Russia. That's all.
If you follow RT like noway and pundit you will be always in the dark
This information is serious intel that CIA collected by eavesdropping on communication between Russia and Mbig brother China,just like US said for weeks that Russia was planning to invade Ukraine which it denied but what was the outcome?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 15, 2022, 08:28:12 AM
Njuri, you still trust alleged CIA intel without evidence? How often have they been caught point-blank LYING in the past two decades?

Remember Collin Powell showing CIA intel on Sadam WMDs at the UN? The CIA embarrassed that guy for life! It was all rubbish. He had to resign from the Bush admin to rescue some of his reputation. Remember Obama trying to make a case about Assad mindlessly unleashing chemical weapons against defeated, retreating rebels, right AFTER the US loudly warned that it was that precise action that would get them directly involved in the war? As if Assad was the biggest fool on earth, just dreaming day and night of drawing the US into a direct confrontation against himself and in aid of those fighting him? And precisely at the point when he was winning?  :D What did UN investigations about those chemical attacks later reveal?

Listen to those crooks against external targets at your own risk. You're then no better off than someone placing full confidence in the KGB :D
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 15, 2022, 09:14:52 AM
Njuri, you still trust alleged CIA intel without evidence? How often have they been caught point-blank LYING in the past two decades?

Remember Collin Powell showing CIA intel on Sadam WMDs at the UN? The CIA embarrassed that guy for life! It was all rubbish. He had to resign from the Bush admin to rescue some of his reputation. Remember Obama trying to make a case about Assad mindlessly unleashing chemical weapons against defeated, retreating rebels, right AFTER the US loudly warned that it was that precise action that would get them directly involved in the war? As if Assad was the biggest fool on earth, just dreaming day and night of drawing the US into a direct confrontation against himself and in aid of those fighting him? And precisely at the point when he was winning?  :D What did UN investigations about those chemical attacks later reveal?

Listen to those crooks against external targets at your own risk. You're then no better off than someone placing full confidence in the KGB :D
Just answer me on the intel that they pointed on Russia invasion of Ukraine,That Russia denied and still went ahead to do so. Whom should we believe going by latest actions? Be wise please
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 15, 2022, 09:35:23 AM
Oh, Njuri, you innocent Summer's child, ati invasion intel? :D

Just answer me on the intel that they pointed on Russia invasion of Ukraine,That Russia denied and still went ahead to do so. Whom should we believe going by latest actions? Be wise please

Russia straight-up amassed 100,000 troops on the Ukraine border while threatening to take matters into their hands if negotiations weren't working; And Ukraine kept upping the ante. How do you label reading these things AS THEY ARE HAPPENING "intel"? That's like reading dark clouds and providing 'intel' on a coming rainstorm. Shouldn't intel mean gathering info others have no way of knowing through espionage and what-have-you?

CIA intel on chosen external targets is proven to be highly unreliable and often lies, no better than Russia's or some other foreign intelligence. When you find evidence the Chinese are providing weapons to Russia, I'll be happy to take this as more than the simple propaganda it appears to be. China has given zero indication in word or deed that they have any interest in getting involved in anyone's war. They'll simply take advantage of the rift btw Russia/West to increase their economic might as they know they are sanction-proof. It's better we go on evidence if anyone suggests the Chinese are doing more than this coz it makes very little sense.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 15, 2022, 09:49:59 AM

Russia exports military weapons to China and NATO countries like Turkey.
Njuri you are feeding propaganda and calling it intelligence.  Bidens administration is just making another mistake now entangling China into unavoidable crisis. You note this comes after Taiwan and Iran debacle.

Russia is completely useless I can even say Abiys EPDF is better. Now they are requesting help from china weapons and money
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 15, 2022, 03:27:21 PM
Njuri, you still trust alleged CIA intel without evidence? How often have they been caught point-blank LYING in the past two decades?

Remember Collin Powell showing CIA intel on Sadam WMDs at the UN? The CIA embarrassed that guy for life! It was all rubbish. He had to resign from the Bush admin to rescue some of his reputation. Remember Obama trying to make a case about Assad mindlessly unleashing chemical weapons against defeated, retreating rebels, right AFTER the US loudly warned that it was that precise action that would get them directly involved in the war? As if Assad was the biggest fool on earth, just dreaming day and night of drawing the US into a direct confrontation against himself and in aid of those fighting him? And precisely at the point when he was winning?  :D What did UN investigations about those chemical attacks later reveal?

Listen to those crooks against external targets at your own risk. You're then no better off than someone placing full confidence in the KGB :D

Powell went against CIA findings.  If memory serves me right(this was fresh early 2000s) Bush and neocons had to create a separate agency dedicated to "finding reasons to go to war with Iraq".  That said, of course politicians make false claims based on "CIA intel".  Is CIA unimpeachable?  No.  Just the best funded intel on the planet.  They are not going to share what they know willy-nilly.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 15, 2022, 06:44:00 PM
Russia is completely useless I can even say Abiys EPDF is better. Now they are requesting help from china weapons and money
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/14/us-official-russia-seeking-military-aid-from-china)

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on March 15, 2022, 06:59:47 PM
The way Putin belittled his spy chief in front of the whole world was telling. The man has lost touch with reality. The people around him cannot tell him the truth. He only gets to hear what he wants to hear. It is too late for Putin to change tact. He cannot retreat without loosing his face. He will have to fight on with major casualties on both sides.

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: mankind on March 15, 2022, 07:46:58 PM
 There is this four part series from DW about Iraq that tells you everything you need to know about the lies, hype and  propaganda for those who believe in the western mythologies. Here is part one of it. The rest are available on YouTube.

   
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Georgesoros on March 15, 2022, 08:25:31 PM
The way Putin belittled his spy chief in front of the whole world was telling. The man has lost touch with reality. The people around him cannot tell him the truth. He only gets to hear what he wants to hear. It is too late for Putin to change tact. He cannot retreat without loosing his face. He will have to fight on with major casualties on both sides.

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.

In praise of Ukrainians for defending their way of life.
Russians need to go home and live like peons until they pay for the damages.

Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 15, 2022, 09:12:52 PM

All that was stage managed and a Show for the public Gallery
Sergey Naryashkin was Putins classmate in KGB Institute. When Sabchak became Mayor and employed Putin back in 92 He took Saryashkin with him. When Putin became President he again took him into the Presidential Administration where he rose and became Chief of Staff. He was one of the contenders to become a President together with Sergei Ivanov and Dmitry Medvedev when Putin appointed him Deputy Prime Minister back in 2008.
Putin was using him to show some members of his Security Council even think He should Annex DPR and LPR but putin was not for it.
Everyone around Putin knew the Operation was going to happen in Feb after Olympics.

Russia is weak. Nothing can change that. They do not have an economy to sustain war against the major powers. Russians the ordinary citizen will suffer greatly from sanctions. Putin may have written his own obituary. His opened in Russia and outside Russia will no get resolve to take him on. He has lied to his people on reasons for his invasion.

He wrote his epitaph in Ukraine.  Russia is nothing compared to USSR.  And yet the USSR came down eventually "without a shot being fired".  But even if he is removed, I don't see much hope for Russia.  He will likely be replaced by another tyrant who knows not to get his fingers burnt.

There is something fatalistic about Russian ruling elites. At one point dictators get too sure of their own ability and delusion sets in. Mussolin, Stalin, the waterloo jamaa, Hitter, Gaddafi, Sadam after Kuwait invasion, Mubarak, Bashir..at one point I think the bell curve of power just starts a downward degrade.

They are megalomaniacs.  That exchange he had with his intelligence chief was revealing for me.  He just wanted him to agree with him, even if he did not understand whatever it was he was agreeing with.  Putin is an insecure man wielding a lot of power - always a bad, if not deadly, combination.

The way Putin belittled his spy chief in front of the whole world was telling. The man has lost touch with reality. The people around him cannot tell him the truth. He only gets to hear what he wants to hear. It is too late for Putin to change tact. He cannot retreat without loosing his face. He will have to fight on with major casualties on both sides.

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 15, 2022, 09:14:17 PM

Elaborate the differences in Ukrainians way of life and Russians way of life.

The way Putin belittled his spy chief in front of the whole world was telling. The man has lost touch with reality. The people around him cannot tell him the truth. He only gets to hear what he wants to hear. It is too late for Putin to change tact. He cannot retreat without loosing his face. He will have to fight on with major casualties on both sides.

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.

In praise of Ukrainians for defending their way of life.
Russians need to go home and live like peons until they pay for the damages.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Georgesoros on March 15, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
https://www.npr.org/live-updates/ukraine-kyiv-russian-air-strikes-03-15-2022#ukraine-says-russia-has-now-lost-13-500-soldiers-in-the-war

Thats a big number 😳
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 15, 2022, 09:53:49 PM
I don't believe any of the exaggerated numbers Ukraine is putting out.

Western media is just going with whatever they (Ukraine) say, putting it out as if it's all verified. Granted, there's a war going on and nothing like independent verification is going to be happening from the front lines. But they should at least state both Ukraine and Russian figures and let viewers decide which is true as the discrepancies btw them are just nuts. Like 10,000 dead Russian soldiers per Ukraine to 496 per Russian. Crazy.

Giving both at least informs viewers of the reality that nobody really knows what's going on and they won't for months.

I also don't buy the "they're failing in the war," line.

Russia hasn't gone for shock and awe carpet bombing  NATO/US-style, and this is to their credit. Their strategy seems to be about avoiding as many civilian casualties as possible through a slow ground procession and very minimal air action if at all, most likely to stave off international outcry about war crimes, given the war itself is illegal. And like WION pointed out in their 'Why the West is winning the Information War' piece, nobody in the Western circuits has access to Russian battle plans and are just arbitrarily slapping standards like "You haven't fully taken them out yet in week one/two? Fail!" 

Meanwhile, Ukraine hasn't recovered any ground the Russians have taken, Kyviv is surrounded, and Russia keeps advancing.

I'm going to wait until the war is over for truer articles to start being allowed in the Western media circuit after the hype has died down, as happens with every war.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 15, 2022, 11:16:12 PM
The way Putin belittled his spy chief in front of the whole world was telling. The man has lost touch with reality. The people around him cannot tell him the truth. He only gets to hear what he wants to hear. It is too late for Putin to change tact. He cannot retreat without loosing his face. He will have to fight on with major casualties on both sides.

The operation is a disaster.  But I don't think that is the real issue.  If Putin had been better informed, the Russians might have been better prepared and more successful.  They would have known they were walking into a hostile environment.  A marathon rather than a sprint.

In practice, there are no layers of accountability in Russia.  Just what Putin wants.  That video exchange with his spy chief was quite telling.  What does that mean?  That it is risky, maybe even life threatening, for Putin to be informed about problems with his ideas and plans.  That is a major weakness of dictatorships.  The result, needless loss of life, because he cannot change course.

Yep.  I too think face is a big part of Putin's playbook.  Which is why I fear escalation beyond just murdering Ukrainian folks in their sleep.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: KenyanPlato on March 16, 2022, 02:58:54 AM
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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 16, 2022, 06:33:22 AM
Russia can't fight a modern war,I have downgraded their capacity,they are well below NATO and even several African countries like Ethiopia in terms of war capabilities,they make mistake after mistake firstly sending conscripts into war games and then converting that to war, several captured Russians say morale is very low they don't have food to eat just to fend for themselves just like ww2
The only army Russia can beat successfully is our KDF that hides in grass at the sound of explotions. I even bet Russia can't beat UPDF of Museveni.
Where is pundit noway to give us another twist,I have beaten them senseless with my spot on prediction and am still waiting for Russians ro capture Kiev so that the real war can start,
Afterall is done and dusted no one will respect Russia as a power anymore and internal strife will start and Russia will break up starting with Chechnya
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2022, 06:41:14 AM
You started with a theory - and you're looking for propaganda - to fit the narrative.
Russia can't fight a modern war,I have downgraded their capacity,they are well below NATO and even several African countries like Ethiopia in terms of war capabilities,they make mistake after mistake firstly sending conscripts into war games and then converting that to war, several captured Russians say morale is very low they don't have food to eat just to fend for themselves just like ww2
The only army Russia can beat successfully is our KDF that hides in grass at the sound of explotions. I even bet Russia can't beat UPDF of Museveni.
Where is pundit noway to give us another twist,I have beaten them senseless with my spot on prediction and am still waiting for Russians ro capture Kiev so that the real war can start,
Afterall is done and dusted no one will respect Russia as a power anymore and internal strife will start and Russia will break up starting with Chechnya
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on March 16, 2022, 07:46:20 AM
All those blaming western propaganda for Russias woes,does it mean propaganda is preventing Russians from capturing Kiev and all other Ukrainian cities, almost now a month into the war which was said will take 2 days?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2022, 07:52:50 AM
Putin can flatten the city if he wants but he is in no hurry. The defence being mounted on sand bags is nothing to Putin. The slow cautious approach - with reduce bombing or US shock n awe - is reducing civilian causalities.

Remember Ukraine is big country - 2nd only to Russia in Europe - and so he is moving slowly

All those blaming western propaganda for Russias woes,does it mean propaganda is preventing Russians feom capturing Kiev and all other Ukrainian cities, almost now a month into the war which was said will take 2 days?
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 16, 2022, 08:14:38 AM
All those blaming western propaganda for Russias woes,does it mean propaganda is preventing Russians from capturing Kiev and all other Ukrainian cities, almost now a month into the war which was said will take 2 days?

Njuri, if there isn't some massive pro-Western propaganda underway, why have they made sure nobody can access Russian news from Russia? Go right now to YouTube and try looking for RT news/vids. Click on one. You'll be told it's unavailable in your country. Literally nobody on earth outside Russia is allowed direct access to the other side of this war. Why do that if you're not forcing one narrative? They're using big tech  (Google, FB, Twitter etc) to shut off Russian information. So there's no question here about 'whether' propaganda . . . There's absolutely massive propaganda going on.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: GeeMail on March 16, 2022, 09:10:05 AM
Putin can flatten the city if he wants but he is in no hurry. The defence being mounted on sand bags is nothing to Putin. The slow cautious approach - with reduce bombing or US shock n awe - is reducing civilian causalities.

Remember Ukraine is big country - 2nd only to Russia in Europe - and so he is moving slowly

All those blaming western propaganda for Russias woes,does it mean propaganda is preventing Russians feom capturing Kiev and all other Ukrainian cities, almost now a month into the war which was said will take 2 days?

Why moving slowly and give west ammunition and time to return fire? No general plans with slow war otherwise they engineer coup nd political takeover without bullet fired. Slow war cannot justify loss of conscripts and global outrage isolation oligarch Putin suffering now. Try another explanation.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 16, 2022, 10:15:17 AM
West isn't taking part in the war and Russia isn't mounting a serious air campaign. They have surrounded the major cities, no? Cities packed with civilians. They're accusing Kyiv of refusing to let the civilians out via the humanitarian corridors, i.e. using them as human shields. They have refused to do carpet bombing their Western rivals hoped for, but as Chris Hedges points out, eventually, backed into a corner, they may do it. This would be a thousand times even more tragic than things are right now.

The reason I doubt the Western narrative isn't that I think Russians are above incompetence. I'm sure they've carried out more than a few blunders already. It's that the only two narratives about the war currently 'allowed' in Western media circuits is either:
(1) Barbaric Russia pulverizing innocent, helpless Ukrainians
Or
(2) Incompetent Russia failing to pulverize weak Ukraine

They look like spin especially when the Russian version/perspective is entirely blocked out of view., I.e., if Russia went for a full-scale shock-n-awe, they'd be labelled as committing crimes against humanity in a much more serious way than you hear of now. If they did the slow, ground thing, they'd be labelled incompetent. There were many articles already headlining "Russia has already lost this war, regardless of its outcome," two weeks ago. Just smells like something I should give time to before I invest my belief, given the recent past (two decades).

I'm almost 100% sure this story will be radically different in Western papers a year or two from now. They do this all the time. Just that most people move on and don't remember the same media was hyping the literal opposite a year/more back. :D
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Dear Mami on March 16, 2022, 10:50:52 AM
Pretty much my view  :D
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Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kadudu on March 16, 2022, 11:49:19 AM
Pundit told us on the 2nd day of war Putin will be served lunch in Kiev. Now weeks later since start of invasion no lunch being served to Putin in Kiev.

On the long term Putin will conquer most of Ukraine, but as just like the US in Afganistan and in Iraq he will learn beating the Ukranians in a war and occupying their country are two different issues. If I were Putin, I would just be satisfied in occupying the eastern part of Ukraine and leave the rest on its own.
Title: Re: Am fully disappointed with Russian army,this is a huge failure we must accept
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 16, 2022, 04:33:54 PM
Russia can't fight a modern war,I have downgraded their capacity,they are well below NATO and even several African countries like Ethiopia in terms of war capabilities,they make mistake after mistake firstly sending conscripts into war games and then converting that to war, several captured Russians say morale is very low they don't have food to eat just to fend for themselves just like ww2
The only army Russia can beat successfully is our KDF that hides in grass at the sound of explotions. I even bet Russia can't beat UPDF of Museveni.
Where is pundit noway to give us another twist,I have beaten them senseless with my spot on prediction and am still waiting for Russians ro capture Kiev so that the real war can start,
Afterall is done and dusted no one will respect Russia as a power anymore and internal strife will start and Russia will break up starting with Chechnya

Granted, they are not great, but they are being undercut by their own leadership.  These folks did not realize they were going into a territory where everyone is trying to kill them.  Even the US never does that.  In Iraq, they faced a formidable army, but they also had the population on their side or at a minimum neutral, except in Saddam's hometown.