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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2022, 06:47:00 AM
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Like alcohol & cigarette - it need to be consumed with serious controls and warning
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Mombasa menace is a combination of issues
1. Joblessness
2.Ease of accessing drugs(the real cause of mental issues)
3. Its Predomimantly a Muslim county meaning unlike you who takes alcohol its forbiden as per religion hence they opt for different vice of making them high.
4. Lack of role models. Imagine your role model being Joho .
Like alcohol & cigarette - it need to be consumed with serious controls and warning
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It's not in Mombasa alone - Central, Meru, Embu and Nairobi - many youths are gone!
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With Pombe yes, Mental health Mombasa is on another league
It's not in Mombasa alone - Central, Meru, Embu and Nairobi - many youths are gone!
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Of course miraa is a drug, but is banning it the solution? Merus would run riot in case miraa is banned or even the talk of controling it. Best would be the youth get informed in schools about the dangers of all kind of drugs including miraa.
Mombasa has always had an issue with drugs. Nowhere else in Kenya are there more drug zoomies than in Mombasa.
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It is now worse as young girls have also embraced the shit.
Just like they have been the focus of this shitty gin - Gilbeys - which is an entry to even cheaper alcohol.
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1st step is declaring it a drug - otherwise wameru wenyewe ndio wanaumia I am sure.
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Miraa was declared a drug during Jomo Kenyatta's days. Not sure who revised it. I think it must have been Mzee Moi during his populists stints.
1st step is declaring it a drug - otherwise wameru wenyewe ndio wanaumia I am sure.
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Regulations would help but the problem is deeper. Lifestyle, we have whole heartily embraced drinking and getting high culture that need to change. Secondly urban centre planning. No parks, sports or other outlets for the youth. Majority all they do is watch European soccer while engaging in the vice. Hopelessness mainly due to unemployment. I am glad atleast this time around people are focusing on building the economy and creating opportunities.
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Yes it deeper problem - we need parks - but somehow people have conspired to keep forests and animal parks so private instead of making it free for people to visit - and play there. I would turn Karua and girigiri forest into huge parks - with play grounds - bars - fun activities.
Regulations would help but the problem is deeper. Lifestyle, we have whole heartily embraced drinking and getting high culture that need to change. Secondly urban centre planning. No parks, sports or other outlets for the youth. Majority all they do is watch European soccer while engaging in the vice. Hopelessness mainly due to unemployment. I am glad atleast this time around people are focusing on building the economy and creating opportunities.
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Yes It seem to have coincided with Somali state collapse and rise of somali diaspora who need khat in Kenya and elsewhere. Initial somalis camped in Meru and exported but soon Merus started hawking the khat to everyone.
I remember my room-mate - a meru guy in late 90s - telling me how angry they were - after some meru pioner exporter of khat to london was killed by somalis - when miraa went international - merus grew them in large scale
But now everyone is banning it
Tanzania has banned it. We need to control it.
Miraa was declared a drug during Jomo Kenyatta's days. Not sure who revised it. I think it must have been Mzee Moi during his populists stints.
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kiraitu has been at the forefront of having classified as a crop. he ate the 1 billion miraa kitty. MoH insists it is a drug.
Miraa was declared a drug during Jomo Kenyatta's days. Not sure who revised it. I think it must have been Mzee Moi during his populists stints.
1st step is declaring it a drug - otherwise wameru wenyewe ndio wanaumia I am sure.
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Tz can ban miraa. They do not grow it. Tanzania has no business interest in miraa. Problem in Kenya miraa trade is big business.
Yes It seem to have coincided with Somali state collapse and rise of somali diaspora who need khat in Kenya and elsewhere. Initial somalis camped in Meru and exported but soon Merus started hawking the khat to everyone.
I remember my room-mate - a meru guy in late 90s - telling me how angry they were - after some meru pioner exporter of khat to london was killed by somalis - when miraa went international - merus grew them in large scale
But now everyone is banning it
Tanzania has banned it. We need to control it.
Miraa was declared a drug during Jomo Kenyatta's days. Not sure who revised it. I think it must have been Mzee Moi during his populists stints.
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Good luck trying to ban Miraa :D
Kenyatta tried it Miraa growers visited him and gave him the twigs to chew he changed his mind after handas took hold.
Others along the Line Moi and,Kibaki knew it was in their best interest to ignore the issues and unfortunately gatheca came when Miraa was banned abroad. So he had to make it a national crop and pay what I call ransom money of 1 Billion yearly from the national kitty just to calm growers anger,now how this money is spent its a wild guess to everyone last time i saw Embus demonstrating that they just got 147M from that kitty.
My personal take Miraa should just be for cultural use not commercial like it is now and yes should be regulated. Merus however are immune to its effects compared to other Kabilas who it drives to madness.
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.... Merus however are immune to its effects compared to other Kabilas who it drives to madness.
Of course Merus are different from other Kenyans. You are not telling us anything new!
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For you to chew miraa to a point of losing your mind it would take lots of days of chewing. Miraa less harmful when compared to alcohol or drugs. I chewed miraa. A normal person can only stand chewing miraa one time in week. Mombasa has a lot of drugs that have been a menace before miraa. I believe that the biggest problem. Deal with unemployment and underemployment and abuse of miraa will go down
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It's not in Mombasa alone - Central, Meru, Embu and Nairobi - many youths are gone
Seems like Kenya has lost a generation of youths to unemployment, drugs and alcoholic abuse. A society that has slowly degenerated into moral decay and you can see it everywhere with the single mothers/deadbeat fathers; how many men now have multiple baby mama's that they're not married to and can't afford to financially support? marriages not lasting beyond even two years, schools burning down, wash wash guys, etc, etc..This is going to take decades to fix (assuming you don't end up with more lunatic leaders)
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It's not in Mombasa alone - Central, Meru, Embu and Nairobi - many youths are gone
Seems like Kenya has lost a generation of youths to unemployment, drugs and alcoholic abuse. A society that has slowly degenerated into moral decay and you can see it everywhere with the single mothers/deadbeat fathers; how many men now have multiple baby mama's that they're not married to and can't afford to financially support? marriages not lasting beyond even two years, schools burning down, wash wash guys, etc, etc..This is going to take decades to fix (assuming you don't end up with more lunatic leaders)
Society is decaying at astonishing speed. We've been binge-watching loyalty tests, and we can't believe the rot in Kenya's relationships, especially the folks between 20-30. Alcohol and drugs make people reckless, and over time, it wrecks society beyond repair, especially when there is no functioning institution to remedy it! Families are filled with unresourceful, broken young, and broke people, thus weakening the economic output and GDP of the country in the long run! There is a direct relationship between sound people and sound economy! If one sinks, the other kaputs!
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Miraa has been cultivated and used for over 2,000 years by horn of africa and middle east kabilas. Try banning anything that deep rooted just like alcohol, prostitution and other biblical mentioned things you will be wasting time. My take ban Miraa usage outside Meru.
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Bhang, Cigarettes, Alcohol have even longer history. But they are not mild tea or coffee stimulants. They are drugs. There has to be control - on them - if not outright banning. We have to admit Miraa cause mental illness. People need to be told this is a dangerous drug - take at your own risk.
Should miraa be banned - Nope. I personally use miraa when driving for long distance - and I can drive for long without getting tired. I think Miraa has saved kenya a lot in accidents.I have planted Mukuga (embu one) - in Nairobi and Shags - and I use it on rare occasion.
It's like alcohol - you need to have some control - not chew khat day in day out. My own bro in law in Embu is beyond repair - brain damaged - and I saw in their villages - many such cases - people who dont have any more sense of time or life - zero sex drive.
Miraa has been cultivated and used for over 2,000 years by horn of africa and middle east kabilas. Try banning anything that deep rooted just like alcohol, prostitution and other biblical mentioned things you will be wasting time. My take ban Miraa usage outside Meru.
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Njuri this one of my three khat plant in Nairobi - making me self sufficient :) in Khat
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Njuri this one of my three khat plant in Nairobi - making me self sufficient :) in Khat
How you plant it in Nairobi? If local youth catch wind of it you will have several break ins.
In my shags grandad had planted Miraa but theft cases were high so he put numerous traps those that catch wild animals to catch the thieves. When he passed on and dad took over he couldn't keep up with theft so he cut down the Miraa trees not for the theft as he didn't care about Miraa as he loathed it but because thieves used to step and damage on other plants like maize beans as they made their way to Miraa trees. Generally in our area Miraa doesn't do good as North parts. We still have a few family trees kept to provide for the extended family though but our Miraa its handas is extreme it causes severe anxiety and panic attack,My cousin chewed one night and as we were going to sleep he started screaming running inside the house and we saw a bee hovering on his head, when we asked him what problem it was he said it was an helicopter chasing him. So we wrestled him to the ground and gave him some tot of vodka to clear up the panic. Alcohol and Miraa cancel each other's effect
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My my - whenever we are away - someone climbs - it always get harvested - my wife wanted to put poison (stupid woman) - says kwao people spray with herbicides - you die or get sick if you come eat without knowing. I have had to raise the fences very high.
I brought them from embu - the one in shags didnt do well - too much water in kericho - it seems to require just about enough water -
How you plant it in Nairobi? If local youth catch wind of it you will have several break ins.
In my shags grandad had planted Miraa but theft cases were high so he put numerous traps those that catch wild animals to catch the thieves. When he passed on and dad took over he couldn't keep up with theft so he cut down the Miraa trees not for the theft as he didn't care about Miraa as he loathed it but because thieves used to step and damage on other plants like maize beans as they made their way to Miraa trees. Generally in our area Miraa doesn't do good as North parts. We still have a few family trees kept to provide for the extended family.
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My my - whenever we are away - someone climbs - it always get harvested - my wife wanted to put poison (stupid woman) - says kwao people spray with herbicides - you die or get sick if you come eat without knowing. I have had to raise the fences very high.
I brought them from embu - the one in shags didnt do well - too much water in kericho - it seems to require just about enough water -
How you plant it in Nairobi? If local youth catch wind of it you will have several break ins.
In my shags grandad had planted Miraa but theft cases were high so he put numerous traps those that catch wild animals to catch the thieves. When he passed on and dad took over he couldn't keep up with theft so he cut down the Miraa trees not for the theft as he didn't care about Miraa as he loathed it but because thieves used to step and damage on other plants like maize beans as they made their way to Miraa trees. Generally in our area Miraa doesn't do good as North parts. We still have a few family trees kept to provide for the extended family.
Yes too much water is bad for Miraa just enough is good. Spraying with herbicide is a bad isea your own can chew it and I have seen numerous people affected by poisoning so basically people stopped spraying. So now if they catch you stealing they ask you simply if you want to drink uji or choose which limb to be amputated