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Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« on: August 21, 2020, 06:20:57 PM »
He is jilted 12yr old. I thought with Sonko troubles it would be a walkover- instead he is the face of anti- formula brigade. How do you explain to Mukuru folk how you rejected more cash cause they are richest county? They will see you as Karen elite and a sellout. Murkomen worship Ruto so it understanable to sacrifice few millions. Same for Lang'at or such Kalenjin. Cherargei defy Ruto cause Nandi is biggest national beneficiary. Ledama Ntimama 2.0 defy Raila. Kikuyu are big beneficiaries so they unanimously back it - including Kihika.

Sakaja is an enigma. This can't be about curfew arrest. He can't mess slum dwellers that is suicidal.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2020, 06:40:59 PM »
For Sakaja it personal. He is an actuarist. He has his own deep mathematical formulae that competes with CRA. Most of senators are lawyers -who cannot add 1 plus 1 - but can talk or write a storm. Sakaja has a degree and probably postgrad in actuarial science - like Babu Owino - this is when he want to proof his mathematical prowess. For Murkomen it's personal - he has to prove the successor to their posts are incompetent. The rest their counties are losing or gaining - politics is local and nearly every senator wants to be a governor -  and now that pro-Kenya team have the momentum - it's attracting more and more of the young guns.To deal with Sakaja - deal with his ego as Bsc Actuarial Science ego - use to be one of the elite degrees in our time :) - with medicine, architecture, computer science like us - we felt we the top of the academic foodchain :) - the idiot in the class would be a strong A-.

In fact Sakaja and CRA should meet - and come up with compromise formuale...the rest of the guys don't understand why it's 13% or 15% weight for variable XYZ.

Most of them just want to see the final figure...not the mathematical formuale...nearly every lawyer scores an E in basic maths. It all how the left and right hemisphere of the brain get wired.

Those who barely understand it like Linturi - are proposing a figure X to solve the win-win equation - that would mean battle every year.

What is required is the 3rd formulae that will last 4 or so years.

Only CRA (led by soft spoken lady) and Sakaja understand this.

CRA need a Cheserem who command respect...the poor lady with his phd is just not ready for the job.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2020, 08:58:24 PM »

Sakaja has always packaged himself as the voice of reason, his means of success has always been the unorthodox route . When Luhyas are supporting ODM in Nairobi he was with TNA and Jubilee , When ODM was packaging itself as a tribal party and party of political heavy weights   as the chairman of TNA he was aping Obamas success victory and packages TNA as the party of hope , party of the youth .

On this formulae , he wants to portray himself as person who cares for Kenya first and also build his profile as a person who cannot be swayed easily . According to his calculations Sonko was the man to beat in 2022 Nairobi Governor elections and he was already gravitating to the ODM wing  but with recent Sonko tribulations and with  BBI expectaions of having Nairobi under national government and replace a Governor with mayor  he seems to recalibrating his options and next steps .

Remember in Naivasha talks he was one of the so called experts who managed to convince the PNU and ODM harliners to drop their stances .

https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/news/politics/secrets-of-naivasha-deal-unraveled-622422


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Prof Francis Aduol, the Principal of the college of Architecture and Engineering at the University of Nairobi and actuary Johnson Sakaja helped to demonstrate that the perception that there was gross unfairness in distribution of seats was exaggerated.

“There was a feeling among the PNU members that previous rounds of delimitation (revision of electoral boundaries) had not been fair to some regions. The experts demonstrated that the deviations were not as dramatic as some thought. They also helped us to agree that a constitution should not contain specific formulae but should only have broad principles,” said one member of the PSC who cannot be quoted discussing PSC proceedings

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2020, 09:17:31 PM »
In brief Sakaja is a fool? At least Murkomen want to scorn Poghisio or Uhuru. Linturi is giving moral support to Tharaka - which is stupid cause he will not run there. Sakaja actuarial nonsense cannot help to beat Sonko.. the propaganda alone will finish him. Nairobi would be biggest winner followed by Nandi. Cherargei and Kihika are logical.

For Sakaja it personal. He is an actuarist. He has his own deep mathematical formulae that competes with CRA. Most of senators are lawyers -who cannot add 1 plus 1 - but can talk or write a storm. Sakaja has a degree and probably postgrad in actuarial science - like Babu Owino - this is when he want to proof his mathematical prowess. For Murkomen it's personal - he has to prove the successor to their posts are incompetent. The rest their counties are losing or gaining - politics is local and nearly every senator wants to be a governor -  and now that pro-Kenya team have the momentum - it's attracting more and more of the young guns.To deal with Sakaja - deal with his ego as Bsc Actuarial Science ego - use to be one of the elite degrees in our time :) - with medicine, architecture, computer science like us - we felt we the top of the academic foodchain :) - the idiot in the class would be a strong A-.

In fact Sakaja and CRA should meet - and come up with compromise formuale...the rest of the guys don't understand why it's 13% or 15% weight for variable XYZ.

Most of them just want to see the final figure...not the mathematical formuale...nearly every lawyer scores an E in basic maths. It all how the left and right hemisphere of the brain get wired.

Those who barely understand it like Linturi - are proposing a figure X to solve the win-win equation - that would mean battle every year.

What is required is the 3rd formulae that will last 4 or so years.

Only CRA (led by soft spoken lady) and Sakaja understand this.

CRA need a Cheserem who command respect...the poor lady with his phd is just not ready for the job.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 09:26:21 PM »
I don't think most MPs are that ignorant to grasp this simplistic math. It self- interest - majority of opponents are from losing counties in Coast, Ukambani and NFD. Central, Kalenjin RV, Nyanza, Western are beneficiaries. Few Murkomen or Malala have axe to grind or align with Ruto. Weta and Mdvd want national level mileage which won't work cause folks see them as failures.

Last but not least I don't see you as A material. Sema A- or below.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 10:52:28 PM »
Sakaja is an over excited fellow,overestimating himself and full of ego.He ought to have played safe and endure himself to kikuyus who voted him in Nairobi.For you to win in Nairobi,you need either Kikuyus or Luos.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 11:06:05 PM »
Sakaja is an over excited fellow,overestimating himself and full of ego.He ought to have played safe and endure himself to kikuyus who voted him in Nairobi.For you to win in Nairobi,you need either Kikuyus or Luos.

Yes he was doing that until he was arrested at some drinking den and embarassed. I recall him calming folks in Embakasi over some bad road riot. He needs Kikuyu who he is messing in the worst way possible - mbeca. Then slum dwellers who he is calling rich to please Somali or appear "national"  :o He pretend to be Luhya - which he use to bag a few Luhya to top up Kikuyu. Without the Luhya lie and Kikuyu he is toast. Dude seem not to know which side his bread is buttered - another Waititu.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2020, 03:43:07 AM »
Sakaja is an over excited fellow,overestimating himself and full of ego.He ought to have played safe and endure himself to kikuyus who voted him in Nairobi.For you to win in Nairobi,you need either Kikuyus or Luos.

Yes he was doing that until he was arrested at some drinking den and embarassed. I recall him calming folks in Embakasi over some bad road riot. He needs Kikuyu who he is messing in the worst way possible - mbeca. Then slum dwellers who he is calling rich to please Somali or appear "national"  :o He pretend to be Luhya - which he use to bag a few Luhya to top up Kikuyu. Without the Luhya lie and Kikuyu he is toast. Dude seem not to know which side his bread is buttered - another Waititu.

Don't upset massa,...ooh massa will punish you. You are cowards hence why you will never be PORK. Kikuyu show everyone the middle finger why be magnanimous towards them.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2020, 04:01:50 AM »
Uhuru and BBI wants Nairobi deleted anyway..as a county..its already a defacto deleted with national Gov usurping sonko.Sakaja has a fight  coming

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2020, 04:20:02 AM »
Sakaja is an over excited fellow,overestimating himself and full of ego.He ought to have played safe and endure himself to kikuyus who voted him in Nairobi.For you to win in Nairobi,you need either Kikuyus or Luos.

Yes he was doing that until he was arrested at some drinking den and embarassed. I recall him calming folks in Embakasi over some bad road riot. He needs Kikuyu who he is messing in the worst way possible - mbeca. Then slum dwellers who he is calling rich to please Somali or appear "national"  :o He pretend to be Luhya - which he use to bag a few Luhya to top up Kikuyu. Without the Luhya lie and Kikuyu he is toast. Dude seem not to know which side his bread is buttered - another Waititu.

Don't upset massa,...ooh massa will punish you. You are cowards hence why you will never be PORK. Kikuyu show everyone the middle finger why be magnanimous towards them.
precisely..gema will only respect strong leadership that tells them truth..not windsock like kalonzo and Raila  now.The truth is obvious..the rest of country are aware of kikuyu privilege and will not add them a shilling more..the Senate has adjourned 10 times...that message should already have sunk in

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2020, 07:16:00 AM »
Linturi is giving moral support to Tharaka - which is stupid cause he will not run there.
Linturi giving support to Tharaka Nithi is not stupid. Meru is gaining a meagre 500M that can't make a difference, Linturi knows this well. There are a dozen NGOs in meru that get more than that to help the society, its little Money to Merus thats why No Mmeru or Kiraitu is complaining they have 100% support for Linturi. If Meru were gaining like a billion story would be different. Furthermore Merus stick for their own they won't be happy Tharaka Nithi already a marginalized area losing. Blood is thicker than water Meru are not like kabila cia ruguru who are easily bought and split.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2020, 10:05:54 AM »
It is almost immoral that richer counties want more. This formulae was concocted by evil minded people. T
Linturi giving support to Tharaka Nithi is not stupid. Meru is gaining a meagre 500M that can't make a difference, Linturi knows this well. There are a dozen NGOs in meru that get more than that to help the society, its little Money to Merus thats why No Mmeru or Kiraitu is complaining they have 100% support for Linturi. If Meru were gaining like a billion story would be different. Furthermore Merus stick for their own they won't be happy Tharaka Nithi already a marginalized area losing. Blood is thicker than water Meru are not like kabila cia ruguru who are easily bought and split.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2020, 11:42:17 AM »
Linturi is giving moral support to Tharaka - which is stupid cause he will not run there.
Linturi giving support to Tharaka Nithi is not stupid. Meru is gaining a meagre 500M that can't make a difference, Linturi knows this well. There are a dozen NGOs in meru that get more than that to help the society, its little Money to Merus thats why No Mmeru or Kiraitu is complaining they have 100% support for Linturi. If Meru were gaining like a billion story would be different. Furthermore Merus stick for their own they won't be happy Tharaka Nithi already a marginalized area losing. Blood is thicker than water Meru are not like kabila cia ruguru who are easily bought and split.

Linturi is one of the few Mps in last parliament who stood up to Uhuru and told him to stop being naive in wooing other parts of Kenya (WDP -K defectors and ODM defectors  in Coast )and forgetting his core base(TNA & URP ) . He is a true definition of a Meru who are known to be bold .

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2020, 11:51:56 AM »
You lot are conflating this thread - SAJAKA strategy. Pleasing NFD or appearing national is Ruto or Raila job who need votes from all over. Slum dwellers are poorer than pastoralists. GDP per capita is lowest in Nairobi with few millionaires in Karen owning everything. Sakaja need to forget Nairobi and maybe run upcountry. In fact there is no constituency he represents that agrees with his stand. Likes of Cherargei are representing Nandi well - Ledama represents Maa - Kihika Nax is gaining. Sakaja actuarial is not rocket science- Nairobi elected D- Sonko and couldn't care less. He has some really tough explaining to do.

About scrapping Nairobi- BBI is dead now but is very effective Raila 22 Manifesto. City County is going nowhere.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2020, 12:00:34 PM »
Linturi is giving moral support to Tharaka - which is stupid cause he will not run there.
Linturi giving support to Tharaka Nithi is not stupid. Meru is gaining a meagre 500M that can't make a difference, Linturi knows this well. There are a dozen NGOs in meru that get more than that to help the society, its little Money to Merus thats why No Mmeru or Kiraitu is complaining they have 100% support for Linturi. If Meru were gaining like a billion story would be different. Furthermore Merus stick for their own they won't be happy Tharaka Nithi already a marginalized area losing. Blood is thicker than water Meru are not like kabila cia ruguru who are easily bought and split.

Linturi is one of the few Mps in last parliament who stood up to Uhuru and told him to stop being naive in wooing other parts of Kenya (WDP -K defectors and ODM defectors  in Coast )and forgetting his core base(TNA & URP ) . He is a true definition of a Meru who are known to be bold .

Linturi was in Yes then "consulted" and opposed. Not a principled stand. And no he is not known for anything big in or out of parliament, like say Mututho drug war or Mutula Kilonzo Sr legal expertise. Or PK CDF. Or Karua Iron Lady. Or Kiraitu synonymous with Meru good infra. Or Orengo activism. Or Murkomen brazen eloquence. Mutula Jr seem firm and intelligent but can't match the dad. Nothing rings in my mind when I hear Linturi except his deep Meru accent and extra marital court battles with Kalenjin lady. Clearly you are a Meru nationalist.
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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2020, 01:47:35 PM »
Linturi is giving moral support to Tharaka - which is stupid cause he will not run there.
Linturi giving support to Tharaka Nithi is not stupid. Meru is gaining a meagre 500M that can't make a difference, Linturi knows this well. There are a dozen NGOs in meru that get more than that to help the society, its little Money to Merus thats why No Mmeru or Kiraitu is complaining they have 100% support for Linturi. If Meru were gaining like a billion story would be different. Furthermore Merus stick for their own they won't be happy Tharaka Nithi already a marginalized area losing. Blood is thicker than water Meru are not like kabila cia ruguru who are easily bought and split.

Linturi is one of the few Mps in last parliament who stood up to Uhuru and told him to stop being naive in wooing other parts of Kenya (WDP -K defectors and ODM defectors  in Coast )and forgetting his core base(TNA & URP ) . He is a true definition of a Meru who are known to be bold .

Linturi was in Yes then "consulted" and opposed. Not a principled stand. And no he is not known for anything big in or out of parliament, like say Mututho drug war or Mutula Kilonzo Sr legal expertise. Or PK CDF. Or Karua Iron Lady. Or Kiraitu synonymous with Meru good infra. Or Orengo activism. Or Murkomen brazen eloquence. Mutula Jr seem firm and intelligent but can't match the dad. Nothing rings in my mind when I hear Linturi except his deep Meru accent and extra marital court battles with Kalenjin lady. Clearly you are a Meru nationalist.
You seem not to know Know Linturi very well . Here are excerpts for you to judge him yourself





https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/35778-mithika-linturi-questions-uhurus-loyalty-ruto


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"When we were hunting, honorable Uhuru used to call William Ruto my brother and promised him he will also help him once he serves his ten years as a president," he noted.

"But now things have changed, however, you cannot use someone as a bridge to cross the river and when you are done with him you let him go with the stormy waters" Linturi went on to add.

https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/politics/dp-rutos-allies-including-meru-senator-mithika-linturi-and-uasin-gishu-woman/qgg2702

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he MPs pointed out that the President should lead by example as his family is sucked up in dealings that are the perfect example of conflict of interest, with Brookside Dairies and NCBA bank named.

Leading in the attack as Senator Mithika Linturi who pointed out that a bank associated with the President and his family was given a waiver during merger with another, occasioning massive losses to the taxpayer.

“The other day am told a private bank was, during its merger was given a waiver by the government meaning occasioning loss of revenue to the state.” Affirmed Linturi.

https://www.justiceinfo.net/en/reconciliation/34971-kenya.html

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"The best laws are not made during times of crisis," says Mithika Linturi, a Jubilee senator from Igembe South in Meru County. "The best laws would require, as per Article 10 of the Constitution, the participation of all people of goodwill, under a prevailing atmosphere of trust for each other. We believe we won this election, but if we make a law in the absence of the other party, we will be making a grave mistake. To make Kenya safe and secure, there is need for us to consult more, and build relationships towards passage of this particular law.

https://www.kenya-today.com/politics/pathetic-roads-meru-uhuru-done-ameru-people


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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2020, 04:08:23 PM »
Robina suffers from the classical luo mentality that any one that doesn't speak english with the queen accent is stupid or uneducated. Then in this case Many merus will be.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2020, 04:11:12 PM »
Sakaja has been in this formulae thing since 2010 constitution. I think he was one of the consultant helping come with constitutional parameters. So for him it just mathematical. It's personal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakaja_Johnson


Sakaja has also co-authored a book in collaboration with the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ - Kenya Chapter) on Representation and Fiscal Decentralization having particularly written on the Operational Framework for Devolution in Kenya.


As an actuarial scientist senior government officials knew I was good in mathematical computations so I was called upon to design a mathematical formulae to be used in allocating constituencies to the various regions of the country,” Sakaja recalls. “The formula was so water-tight that and well thought out that it was wholly adopted in the Constitution as Article 89.”

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/kenya/article/2000105984/johnson-sakaja-s-charmed-life-outside-rough-and-tumble-of-politics

You lot are conflating this thread - SAJAKA strategy. Pleasing NFD or appearing national is Ruto or Raila job who need votes from all over. Slum dwellers are poorer than pastoralists. GDP per capita is lowest in Nairobi with few millionaires in Karen owning everything. Sakaja need to forget Nairobi and maybe run upcountry. In fact there is no constituency he represents that agrees with his stand. Likes of Cherargei are representing Nandi well - Ledama represents Maa - Kihika Nax is gaining. Sakaja actuarial is not rocket science- Nairobi elected D- Sonko and couldn't care less. He has some really tough explaining to do.

About scrapping Nairobi- BBI is dead now but is very effective Raila 22 Manifesto. City County is going nowhere.

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Re: Pundit what is Sakaja gameplan?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2020, 04:15:37 PM »
Precisely. Robina thinking capacity is pedestrian (almost dense if you ask me) but he is good in English. Some of the smartest people I know shrubs badly - or perform poorly in language. It's how the brain is wired. The left and right hemisphere - rarely develop in unison.
Robina suffers from the classical luo mentality that any one that doesn't speak english with the queen accent is stupid or uneducated. Then in this case Many merus will be.

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2020, 04:46:57 PM »
You seem not to know Know Linturi very well . Here are excerpts for you to judge him yourself





https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/35778-mithika-linturi-questions-uhurus-loyalty-ruto


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"When we were hunting, honorable Uhuru used to call William Ruto my brother and promised him he will also help him once he serves his ten years as a president," he noted.

"But now things have changed, however, you cannot use someone as a bridge to cross the river and when you are done with him you let him go with the stormy waters" Linturi went on to add.

https://www.pulselive.co.ke/news/politics/dp-rutos-allies-including-meru-senator-mithika-linturi-and-uasin-gishu-woman/qgg2702

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he MPs pointed out that the President should lead by example as his family is sucked up in dealings that are the perfect example of conflict of interest, with Brookside Dairies and NCBA bank named.

Leading in the attack as Senator Mithika Linturi who pointed out that a bank associated with the President and his family was given a waiver during merger with another, occasioning massive losses to the taxpayer.

“The other day am told a private bank was, during its merger was given a waiver by the government meaning occasioning loss of revenue to the state.” Affirmed Linturi.

https://www.justiceinfo.net/en/reconciliation/34971-kenya.html

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"The best laws are not made during times of crisis," says Mithika Linturi, a Jubilee senator from Igembe South in Meru County. "The best laws would require, as per Article 10 of the Constitution, the participation of all people of goodwill, under a prevailing atmosphere of trust for each other. We believe we won this election, but if we make a law in the absence of the other party, we will be making a grave mistake. To make Kenya safe and secure, there is need for us to consult more, and build relationships towards passage of this particular law.

https://www.kenya-today.com/politics/pathetic-roads-meru-uhuru-done-ameru-people

Funny all your links are from River Road tabloids - hakuna hata Baite FM. I only see Linturi pulling punches for Tangatanga not fronting any worthwhile cause for Kenya or Meru. Never had beef with greedy Kenyatta in Jubilee 1.0. He is only in senate courtesy of Kiraitu Murungi - his Igembe voted Munya and Mugambi Imanyara.
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