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Title: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 12, 2023, 02:36:46 PM
Make Miguna Miguna the chairman.

Let them summon Azimio folks

Let evidence be brough of their mess including debt audit, corruption, any fitina.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Kadudu on July 12, 2023, 02:43:57 PM
 :D :D :D
Miguna˛ will make out of the whole issue a circus. Could be a good manouvre to deflect the attention of the Kenyan public for some time.
Do not forget Ruto was also part of the handshake government. Why not start the investigations from 2013 instead of 2018?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: kwesta on July 12, 2023, 03:29:25 PM
Ruto is a coward. He won't do anything.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Fairandbalanced on July 12, 2023, 03:58:37 PM
Kenya needs a major audit, that place is becoming too much of a shithole, a failed state. Those with more than one cell brain are plotting to get the hell out of there. Ruto and his cabal will be left with alcohol soaked hustlers, a very thin tax base. I know the audit is not going to happen cause Ruto is a huge part of the thieving that left us in such dire catastrophe.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 12, 2023, 04:29:43 PM
That whole idea - smoke and screen - until maize ripen.
:D :D :D
Miguna˛ will make out of the whole issue a circus. Could be a good manouvre to deflect the attention of the Kenyan public for some time.
Do not forget Ruto was also part of the handshake government. Why not start the investigations from 2013 instead of 2018?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: patel on July 12, 2023, 05:13:40 PM
It will only get worst..state capture, industry capture (remember the steel story)..seems like the owner of capital have ganged up against Ruto. Ndii magic has failed to gain traction and how I want this guy to succeed! Theory and practical 2 different animals.

Oil deal money due in September prepare for another dollar crunch..
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: lelewela on July 12, 2023, 05:19:31 PM
It is clear the owners have ganged up against Ruto, they went mute after he won and were shitting on their pants, but they realized he is toothless lion.
Ruto should not be comfortable with the current happenings, either fight back  or have a deap with owners of capital.
Stop all the foreign trips

It will only get worst..state capture, industry capture (remember the steel story)..seems like the owner of capital have ganged up against Ruto. Ndii magic has failed to gain traction and how I want this guy to succeed! Theory and practical 2 different animals.

Oil deal money due in September prepare for another dollar crunch..
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: kwesta on July 12, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
Ruto is a coward, you can't behave like a gentleman against saboteurs.
He needs to use all the state power he has, he needs to capture all arms of government, and get Raila and his financiers squeezed.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: patel on July 12, 2023, 06:20:27 PM
Precisely. Ruto has to open war front against owners of capital. Call them and let them know its not going to be business as usual comply or ship out. No need for Ndii to keep digging out theory after theory. This is plain sabotage by Uhuru and his friends. Play rough or get crushed.
It is clear the owners have ganged up against Ruto, they went mute after he won and were shitting on their pants, but they realized he is toothless lion.
Ruto should not be comfortable with the current happenings, either fight back  or have a deap with owners of capital.
Stop all the foreign trips

It will only get worst..state capture, industry capture (remember the steel story)..seems like the owner of capital have ganged up against Ruto. Ndii magic has failed to gain traction and how I want this guy to succeed! Theory and practical 2 different animals.

Oil deal money due in September prepare for another dollar crunch..
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: patel on July 12, 2023, 06:24:44 PM
Ruto does not have to be a hero. Call these guys to state house, feed them then read them a riot act. You cannot have 2 guys controlling steel industry and expect construction industry to flourish. Talk to them nicely if they don't comply flood the place with Chinese steel..
Ruto is a coward, you can't behave like a gentleman against saboteurs.
He needs to use all the state power he has, he needs to capture all arms of government, and get Raila and his financiers squeezed.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: lelewela on July 12, 2023, 06:59:47 PM
Send backdated tax recalculations to brookside, Kenyatta bank and also Rai sugar companies, flood the market with cheap sugar from Uganda and neighbouring countries, flood the market with cheap steal etc.. hapo atashinda hi vita , but as long as the owners still control key industries and can dictate price of essentials , mambo will ngumu.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Githunguri on July 12, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
Na bado.
Keep ranting.


Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: kwesta on July 12, 2023, 08:20:46 PM
Rvheavyhitter William is a big let down. Gentleman for who. I will never vote for him again.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 12, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Send backdated tax recalculations to brookside, Kenyatta bank and also Rai sugar companies, flood the market with cheap sugar from Uganda and neighbouring countries, flood the market with cheap steal etc.. hapo atashinda hi vita , but as long as the owners still control key industries and can dictate price of essentials , mambo will ngumu.
Yes...forget global image for a month..use the goddammit sword spill kenyattas n odingas blood on the streets
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: audacityofhope on July 12, 2023, 08:41:10 PM
Where in the world does a regime, even after one year in office continue to blame the previous administration for its inability to deliver on their mandate?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on July 12, 2023, 08:51:53 PM
Ruto failed dealing with dynasty  early on so now he reaping the fruits of his fault.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: sema on July 12, 2023, 09:36:38 PM
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Those with more than one cell brain are plotting to get the hell out of there. Ruto and his cabal will be left with alcohol soaked hustlers, a very thin tax base.

This is true. The middle class one's are plotting to leave. I'm sure western embassies in Nairobi are overwhelmed with visa applications and we haven't even touched on the mental health issues that are affecting everyone.

But why are Ruto and Ndii stalling on this state capture issue? is it because they had too much to deal with on their plates? i..e. uhuru left such a mess, they had to focus on just putting out the fires and they'll get to the state capture issue later?

This sounds like a boardroom war between uhuru and ruto (the protesters are just broke, poverty stricken men in the slums that are not a threat to the state)
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 14, 2023, 11:59:43 AM
State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Kadudu on July 14, 2023, 12:14:45 PM
You hit the head on the nail. :D

State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 14, 2023, 01:11:24 PM
What can we cut? We already havent paid tenderprenuers 600B KES?

Go through gov budget - show me where 400B cuts will be got - that will plug 2B dollars 2015 eurobond principal payment.

This is example of empty talk.

State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Kadudu on July 14, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
Empty talk came from your idol while he was campaigning. What did he promise to cut on the budget the time he was campaigning? Let us first start there.
Why is he inflating the size of government instead of deflating it? He has increased the budget for entertainment at SH a threefold. What signs is he sending to the citizens of Kenya? Charity begins at home.

What can we cut? We already havent paid tenderprenuers 600B KES?

Go through gov budget - show me where 400B cuts will be got - that will plug 2B dollars 2015 eurobond principal payment.

This is example of empty talk.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 14, 2023, 01:55:12 PM
What can we cut? We already havent paid tenderprenuers 600B KES?

Go through gov budget - show me where 400B cuts will be got - that will plug 2B dollars 2015 eurobond principal payment.

This is example of empty talk.

State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.
Every ministry can withstand more than 10% cut, start with discretionally spending. Treasury should have cut several budget line items in each ministry and government institutions but that means spending serious political capital.  The 600b tenderprenurs debt shouldn't be a priority, its not the economic albatross that suppliers and government purports it to be.
Plus government doesnt have to cut $2b in an year, the cuts are for easing burrowing rate to get fiscal breathing room. That is suppose to ease market fears so that interest rates don't skyrocket.
Bottomline kk regime decided to raise taxes instead of cutting spending.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: gout on July 14, 2023, 02:45:32 PM
We are borrowing from NCBA at 16%. The state capture commission is foregone.

It is now a matter of how lucky long the abused economy can continue before we default on local and global bankers and recently acquired oil dealers.

With demos taking a life away from baba and rains seemingly failing in some areas or El Nino wreaking havoc, 2024 will implode.

With a collapse the cuts will be deep wacha saa hii tunaexpand expenditure.

What was the use of retaining CBC confusion with no teachers. Going back to 8-4-4 would have saved the billions being added to TSC payroll.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Georgesoros on July 14, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
You hit the head on the nail. :D

State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.

Yap. At some point the extra fat must go, otherwise the country will need extensive reorganization.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 14, 2023, 05:21:18 PM
We are borrowing from NCBA at 16%. The state capture commission is foregone.

It is now a matter of how lucky long the abused economy can continue before we default on local and global bankers and recently acquired oil dealers.

With demos taking a life away from baba and rains seemingly failing in some areas or El Nino wreaking havoc, 2024 will implode.

With a collapse the cuts will be deep wacha saa hii tunaexpand expenditure.

What was the use of retaining CBC confusion with no teachers. Going back to 8-4-4 would have saved the billions being added to TSC payroll.
Not to digress, Equity bank is being coerced(forced)  to buy maturing euro bond to the tune of 70b or $500m. KCB is almost maxed out, the only other bank with enough capital to buy substantial euros is NCBA. Gachora is ready with about 42b or $300m, Guess who's now on the driver seat?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: sema on July 14, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
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Equity bank is being coerced(forced)  to buy maturing euro bond to the tune of 70b or $500m

And the purpose of this is what?

Is this economic crisis worse than what the country faced in the 90's when the economy all but collapsed?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 14, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
To buy

maturing euro bonds.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 15, 2023, 10:58:43 AM
HK you're talking in general - but again - symbolic 10% cut in every ministry? Ruto attempted to cut 300B last year - found no headway - because discretionary spending -aka development budget is just suggestion.

You literally need to retrench people, cut education spending, health care - which is also as unpopular as increasing taxes.

Biggest budget is MOE - 600B - for education - if you tell kenyans to start paying fees - for their kids - they will be more mad than petrol.

In short - consider that Ndii, IMF, Treasury and many economist have gone through the budget - and this BEST DEAL we can get.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 17, 2023, 08:17:15 AM
HK you're talking in general - but again - symbolic 10% cut in every ministry? Ruto attempted to cut 300B last year - found no headway - because discretionary spending -aka development budget is just suggestion.

You literally need to retrench people, cut education spending, health care - which is also as unpopular as increasing taxes.

Biggest budget is MOE - 600B - for education - if you tell kenyans to start paying fees - for their kids - they will be more mad than petrol.

In short - consider that Ndii, IMF, Treasury and many economist have gone through the budget - and this BEST DEAL we can get.
The current proposed budget is whopping 400b increment from the previous budget from 3.2t to 3.6t. That in itself shows there's a big fiscal space for spending cuts.
Discretionary spending are things like travel, equipment purchases(from cars to furniture), useless consultancy etc basically everything that's not core to the ministry. For example why does office of DP and PM need to be allocated more than 6b? Every parliamentary committee should be going through its line ministry budget and strip out the wasteful unnecessarily allocation. But in kenya government spending is what we call "maendeleo".
The current regime overall economic policy entails government spending to drive and prop up aggregate demand. To this regime almost everything involves government solution instead of market based solution. Its the reason why Ndii derides supply side economics or what they call "trickle down" economics.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 17, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
400B is basically Eurobond principal that is maturing?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 18, 2023, 05:33:05 PM
400B is basically Eurobond principal that is maturing?
No the  budget allocation for Euro is only 200b. And furthermore the government is arranging for kenya banks to at least buy half of bond. The point is, it wasn't necessary to raise taxes , it would have been easier to cut spending. Strict austerity policy is what supply side economist would have recommended.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: sema on July 18, 2023, 06:11:44 PM
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government is arranging for kenya banks to at least buy half of bond

and the point of this is to do what to the economy exactly?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 18, 2023, 06:45:12 PM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 19, 2023, 06:56:41 AM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-gets-300-proposals-on-settling-2b-eurobond-4246334
In the Draft Budget Estimates for the financial year 2023/24, the Treasury has budgeted Ksh241.75 billion ($1.75 billion) for the maturing bond, gobbling up a staggering 51 percent of the next financial year’s external debt redemptions.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Georgesoros on July 19, 2023, 07:00:17 AM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-gets-300-proposals-on-settling-2b-eurobond-4246334
In the Draft Budget Estimates for the financial year 2023/24, the Treasury has budgeted Ksh241.75 billion ($1.75 billion) for the maturing bond, gobbling up a staggering 51 percent of the next financial year’s external debt redemptions.

Crisis postponed??
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2023, 07:02:05 AM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-gets-300-proposals-on-settling-2b-eurobond-4246334
In the Draft Budget Estimates for the financial year 2023/24, the Treasury has budgeted Ksh241.75 billion ($1.75 billion) for the maturing bond, gobbling up a staggering 51 percent of the next financial year’s external debt redemptions.
Fact is total debt servicing this year rise by 400b.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 19, 2023, 05:18:51 PM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-gets-300-proposals-on-settling-2b-eurobond-4246334
In the Draft Budget Estimates for the financial year 2023/24, the Treasury has budgeted Ksh241.75 billion ($1.75 billion) for the maturing bond, gobbling up a staggering 51 percent of the next financial year’s external debt redemptions.
Fact is total debt servicing this year rise by 400b.
No it doesn't rise by 400b, the government decided to buy half https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/ruto-vows-to-buy-back-half-of-kenya-s-2-billion-bond-this-year-1.1936611 of the maturing bond . That's why equity bank are being coerced to purchase $500m worth of euro at the prevailing rate, with the threat of kra business and deposit withdraw(I am privy to the negotiations in a very minor capacity), KCB doesnt have strong enough balance sheet and neither coop. The only bank that can swing $250m is NCBA.
The rest either they'll rollover at higher rate or restructure. Anyhow having committed to repurchase half, they have bought themselves breathing room.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Georgesoros on July 19, 2023, 05:52:07 PM
200b how when dollar is 140 n could end up 150..hk wacha za ovyo
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/kenya-gets-300-proposals-on-settling-2b-eurobond-4246334
In the Draft Budget Estimates for the financial year 2023/24, the Treasury has budgeted Ksh241.75 billion ($1.75 billion) for the maturing bond, gobbling up a staggering 51 percent of the next financial year’s external debt redemptions.
Fact is total debt servicing this year rise by 400b.
No it doesn't rise by 400b, the government decided to buy half https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/ruto-vows-to-buy-back-half-of-kenya-s-2-billion-bond-this-year-1.1936611 of the maturing bond . That's why equity bank are being coerced to purchase $500m worth of euro at the prevailing rate, with the threat of kra business and deposit withdraw(I am privy to the negotiations in a very minor capacity), KCB doesnt have strong enough balance sheet and neither coop. The only bank that can swing $250m is NCBA.
The rest either they'll rollover at higher rate or restructure. Anyhow having committed to repurchase half, they have bought themselves breathing room.

He is forecasting a good economy that will help pay these bills.
He's not applying the right fertilizer.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: gout on July 20, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
Hasla just adopted ufool handchieth budget. No Ndii genius there. Ndii just seems to be sticking a finger to his NGOist and middle class  peers as he makes Kenya an experiment.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on July 21, 2023, 08:16:56 AM

Crisis postponed??
The down grade https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/fitch-revises-kenya-outlook-to-negative-affirms-at-b-20-07-2023#:~:text=Fitch%20Ratings%20%2D%20Hong%20Kong%20%2D%2020,the%20IDR%20at%20'B'. will only worsen the debt repayment options.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on November 01, 2023, 05:17:32 AM
State is captured by people close or within the government. KK if they were serious about state capture, they'd have dismantled tools of state capture i.e regulatory and policy formulation. Instead everything is intact so that its captured by the new elites, case in point is KNTC.
KK regime had a golden opportunity to cut spending to stabilize macros, the spending cuts would have been painful especially to tenderprenurs and other leeches. But within 6 months capital would have started flowing to the private sector spurring economic growth. Now 6 months down the road government is borrowing at 12% short term and 16% long term and rising. Populist initiatives like hustler funds are hemorrhaging money with little benefit to overall economy.
In a nutshell kk regime problem isn't opposition, its the economy.
Predictably the fiscal strain is only getting worse. Populist demand economic interventions don't spur economic growth case in point hustler fund. Govt is borrowing at 16% but its suppose to lend at 8% to hustlers, this clearly isnt sustainable https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/cheap-loans-dry-up-as-hustler-fund-budget-cut-to-sh5bn--4418612 .
Its either we cut our budget(reduce spending) or the markets are going to force us to. Default loading.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: gout on November 01, 2023, 06:19:19 PM
Without dynasties blood on the streets it has to be hasoras blood. They are saying they don't want destabilization. How was it hard to get Hustler Fund as fuliza riding on Mpesa?

The CBC is already having a crazy effect on the budget and it yet actualize fully.

Unga still at past 150 mark.
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: sema on November 01, 2023, 07:49:51 PM
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What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: RV Kirgit on November 01, 2023, 09:10:53 PM
I think Ndii is a Marxist actually working to forment a revolution. His ties with evil society must be deep, including Soros, et. al.

Ruto gov lent itself as a host to work from within on a strategic plan to take Kenya to communism republic.

Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on November 07, 2023, 10:31:22 AM
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What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
What's more important and crucial is market reaction. Government isnt able to borrow longterm and  even shortterm now its at 15% plus interest rate. As it is now government wont be able to rollover eurobond. Its increasingly likely that kenya will default,
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: patel on November 07, 2023, 01:11:30 PM
What should we expect if kenya default?
Big chunk of debt is domestic owned, will this take banks down?
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What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
What's more important and crucial is market reaction. Government isnt able to borrow longterm and  even shortterm now its at 15% plus interest rate. As it is now government wont be able to rollover eurobond. Its increasingly likely that kenya will default,
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Nowayhaha on November 07, 2023, 02:12:53 PM

The money in banks will be frozen and Govt will use it to offset debt and run the public sector.
You will have a limit of how much one can withdraw daily, weekly and monthly .
When money is out circulation the economy will depreciate .
Investors will also get hold of the news before and there will be capital flight . Then Kenya will go to a recession , possibilty of even a Government shutdown .

What should we expect if kenya default?
Big chunk of debt is domestic owned, will this take banks down?
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Default loading.

What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
What's more important and crucial is market reaction. Government isnt able to borrow longterm and  even shortterm now its at 15% plus interest rate. As it is now government wont be able to rollover eurobond. Its increasingly likely that kenya will default,
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: Kadudu on November 07, 2023, 02:29:07 PM
I do not get it why David Ndii keeps on blaming the past regime, of which his current boss also played a major role. The current regime cannot keep on blaming the past regime. It has shown no signs of taking any austerity measures on its part. In fact the government has become larger under Ruto. Government expenditure has exploded under Ruto. How will these guys sell austerity to Kenyans when they practice the exact opposite?
Title: Re: Ruto - Form the damn commission of inquiry now to investigate handshake regime
Post by: hk on November 07, 2023, 07:35:02 PM

The money in banks will be frozen and Govt will use it to offset debt and run the public sector.
You will have a limit of how much one can withdraw daily, weekly and monthly .
When money is out circulation the economy will depreciate .
Investors will also get hold of the news before and there will be capital flight . Then Kenya will go to a recession , possibilty of even a Government shutdown .

What should we expect if kenya default?
Big chunk of debt is domestic owned, will this take banks down?
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What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
What's more important and crucial is market reaction. Government isnt able to borrow longterm and  even shortterm now its at 15% plus interest rate. As it is now government wont be able to rollover eurobond. Its increasingly likely that kenya will default,
Incase of default (local debt) the treasury bills would be restructured and new ones would be issued. Deposit wouldn't be confiscated unless the restructuring resulted in banks rans e.g chase bank.
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Post by: Nowayhaha on November 07, 2023, 10:42:58 PM

HK Im telling you what will hapoen within the next 1-2 years.


The money in banks will be frozen and Govt will use it to offset debt and run the public sector.
You will have a limit of how much one can withdraw daily, weekly and monthly .
When money is out circulation the economy will depreciate .
Investors will also get hold of the news before and there will be capital flight . Then Kenya will go to a recession , possibilty of even a Government shutdown .

What should we expect if kenya default?
Big chunk of debt is domestic owned, will this take banks down?
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What is your opinion on what Ndii is doing?
What's more important and crucial is market reaction. Government isnt able to borrow longterm and  even shortterm now its at 15% plus interest rate. As it is now government wont be able to rollover eurobond. Its increasingly likely that kenya will default,
Incase of default (local debt) the treasury bills would be restructured and new ones would be issued. Deposit wouldn't be confiscated unless the restructuring resulted in banks rans e.g chase bank.