?s=19Stephen Soi, the man who led Team Kenya to Rio Olympics, broke down in tears at the anti-corruption court in Nairobi today.
— Sura Mbaya (@surambaya) July 21, 2020
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He oversaw the worst sports-related heist in Kenya's history and was charged with stealing Sh25,000,000
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Maybe he is innocent.
Then maybe even Judas Iscariot was innocent.
Kalenjins are not smart thieves, they plundered country 24 years with nothing to show today unlike Kikuyu who steal with a plan. Then more worrying is most kalenjins have met always think of kitu kidogo, they can't operate without a bribe. They need to cut these chains of corruption.In the 24 years RV inhabitats we knew off were either in parastatals , Govt ministries , police or Defence forces their decendants are well off right now. You cant talk of the same in Mt Kenya .the only thing you hear off is the Kiraitus and Kenyattas i.e. the elite increased their wealth from 2003 coming forward.
Wrong. Are you saying kalenjins are better off economically than average mt. Kenya folk? No one would believe you. Of course a few kalenjin moi era made it but majority are poor. In general Kenya other kabilas are poor compared to GEMAKalenjins are not smart thieves, they plundered country 24 years with nothing to show today unlike Kikuyu who steal with a plan. Then more worrying is most kalenjins have met always think of kitu kidogo, they can't operate without a bribe. They need to cut these chains of corruption.In the 24 years RV inhabitats we knew off were either in parastatals , Govt ministries , police or Defence forces their decendants are well off right now. You cant talk of the same in Mt Kenya .the only thing you hear off is the Kiraitus and Kenyattas i.e. the elite increased their wealth from 2003 coming forward.
Without gov largesse few can survive for a few months.its like losing your jobWrong answer again, Most GEMA survive well afterwards simply because they invest in the future.
Wrong. Are you saying kalenjins are better off economically than average mt. Kenya folk? No one would believe you. Of course a few kalenjin moi era made it but majority are poor. In general Kenya other kabilas are poor compared to GEMA
Wrong answer again, Most GEMA survive well afterwards simply because they invest in the future.
Wrong. Are you saying kalenjins are better off economically than average mt. Kenya folk? No one would believe you. Of course a few kalenjin moi era made it but majority are poor. In general Kenya other kabilas are poor compared to GEMA
Millions of Gema folks are poor. A few Gema billionaires and millionaires cannot delete this fact. When Kenyans will learn to make the current goverment take responsibilty and not just support "mwizi wetu", then we will all make progress against poverty in the whole country.
Right now nobody is questioning the looting of the Covid-19 funds. Billions alledgely spent and little to show of it. The only goodness the pandemic does not know kabila. In the end all Kenyans will loose.
I bet the mt kenya is economically well off for many other reasons including proximity to Nairobi, favorable climate for agriculture, literacy, low birth rate (demography) and less to do with whoever is president.Ok I agree, generally standard of living for agricultural communities is almost the same in RV and central. But what about the business community between the 2?
What is sending many kalenjin to poverty is having 10 kids...while Mt kenya on average are on 1-2 kids. Otherwise when it come to what matters in kenya - agriculture - Kalenjin are noted farmers.Wrong. Are you saying kalenjins are better off economically than average mt. Kenya folk? No one would believe you. Of course a few kalenjin moi era made it but majority are poor. In general Kenya other kabilas are poor compared to GEMA
The same GEMA were wailing during Moi era. Even Kibaki era companies are nearly all bankrupt during Uhuru era.Gatheca has screwed us to no point of return. Maybe you will see GEMA coming to pick tealeaves and other kazi ya mkono in RV :D People without land in kenya are headed for a bleak future.Wrong answer again, Most GEMA survive well afterwards simply because they invest in the future.
Millions of Gema folks are poor. A few Gema billionaires and millionaires cannot delete this fact. When Kenyans will learn to make the current goverment take responsibilty and not just support "mwizi wetu", then we will all make progress against poverty in the whole country.Yes i agree too, but there is the basic setting that all kabilas have regardless of government looting. Even without looting some kabilas are poor than others i.e luhyas are poorer than GEMA? :D
Right now nobody is questioning the looting of the Covid-19 funds. Billions alledgely spent and little to show of it. The only goodness the pandemic does not know kabila. In the end all Kenyans will loose.Wrong. Are you saying kalenjins are better off economically than average mt. Kenya folk? No one would believe you. Of course a few kalenjin moi era made it but majority are poor. In general Kenya other kabilas are poor compared to GEMA
Ok I agree, generally standard of living for agricultural communities is almost the same in RV and central. But what about the business community between the 2?
Agree with Njuri Njeke...Gema testicular fortitude and ability to survive Moi 24yrs bloody reign...take power, seek no revenge and turn kenya into economic power house within few years is just unbelievable. If centro combines their brain power with Nyanza and western Kenya would take off again.
BBI :) to BBF :) continue with building of bridges of friendship. Kenya need this.Gema will survive. Kikuyus are hardy like Jews. They are the sewer rats of capitalism. Risk is not something we fear. We are just wired to do that. A kikuyu millionaire farmer will dump 10 million in property deep in pipeline or mat.hare. i just got in touch with a kid that my dad used to employ do causal work at the farm. The kids were dirt poor. They had been abandoned by their dad due to his mental illness. My dad just hired them to help them out. Anyway this kid 20 years later is now a big trader in kitale; he has 3 trucks. I was impressed. No Kopital in any case this kid was condemned to working a laborer the rest of his life but he beat the ducking oddsAgree with Njuri Njeke...Gema testicular fortitude and ability to survive Moi 24yrs bloody reign...take power, seek no revenge and turn kenya into economic power house within few years is just unbelievable. If centro combines their brain power with Nyanza and western Kenya would take off again.
Gema will survive. Kikuyus are hardy like Jews. They are the sewer rats of capitalism. Risk is not something we fear. We are just wired to do that. A kikuyu millionaire farmer will dump 10 million in property deep in pipeline or mat.hare. i just got in touch with a kid that my dad used to employ do causal work at the farm. The kids were dirt poor. They had been abandoned by their dad due to his mental illness. My dad just hired them to help them out. Anyway this kid 20 years later is now a big trader in kitale; he has 3 trucks. I was impressed. No Kopital in any case this kid was condemned to working a laborer the rest of his life but he beat the ducking odds
Agreed. But the GEMA elite are in a fix. They are no hardened like typical kikuyus. They are scared shitless as power slips away. Ruto should be very worried because they can even assisinate him. Gov is big business.They may lose to ruto because at the end of the day kikuyu poor may just roll the dice and let whatever happens happen. The kikuyu middle class too cares less. Govt is something that doesn't work and the less of it the better. That thexreason only thugs ended up in kiambu County leadeship. Most upright kikuyus would care less for political power and cronyism that comes with it. As matter of fact uhuru admin has no gema oligarchs. They are gettimg the benefit without political costGema will survive. Kikuyus are hardy like Jews. They are the sewer rats of capitalism. Risk is not something we fear. We are just wired to do that. A kikuyu millionaire farmer will dump 10 million in property deep in pipeline or mat.hare. i just got in touch with a kid that my dad used to employ do causal work at the farm. The kids were dirt poor. They had been abandoned by their dad due to his mental illness. My dad just hired them to help them out. Anyway this kid 20 years later is now a big trader in kitale; he has 3 trucks. I was impressed. No Kopital in any case this kid was condemned to working a laborer the rest of his life but he beat the ducking odds
Agree with Njuri Njeke...Gema testicular fortitude and ability to survive Moi 24yrs bloody reign...take power, seek no revenge and turn kenya into economic power house within few years is just unbelievable. If centro combines their brain power with Nyanza and western Kenya would take off again.
Agree with Njuri Njeke...Gema testicular fortitude and ability to survive Moi 24yrs bloody reign...take power, seek no revenge and turn kenya into economic power house within few years is just unbelievable. If centro combines their brain power with Nyanza and western Kenya would take off again.
I disagree. GEMA economic prowess is overplayed, I have not seen anything to impress me, I'm sorry. There are a few Kikuyu tycoons who used corrupt means to acquire their wealth during Jomo's time but the rest of them are wallowing in grinding poverty or engaged in fruitless biashara. Heck they are not even good at farming and farming is thought to be in their DNA. Likewise the brain power attributed to Nyanzites is misplaced, they are not very sharp.
Do not focus on the political elites. You just need to be in touch with the regular karanja who lives deep in rural kiambu possibly in a tea growing zone. You will then get to know how the juggernaut that is the kikuyu works. It is something you have to know if you live or you are familiar with kikuyus on personal level. Especially with old generation you never on the face of it kbow they have money. As matter of fact you would pity the person. My distant cousin dad was such a kind guy had about 45 million in his Barclays bank account that he rarely transacted. So one year the bank manager was sent to come to his house and find him to sign some required legal documents. He ends up at my cousin's home his dad was cutting the hedge dressed like a pauper. So the manager from bank asks the guy where his employer was only for the man to identify himself as the employer. The bank guy had assumed the emaciated looking peasant was a employee of his client. There are lot of this kind that only go to nairobi 4 times a year but a rich like nonsense
Lol. During COVID-19 lockdown up there in Limuru - there was Nairobi metro barrier - I stopped to withdraw m-pesa - and I found these two old kikuyu men - they were looking for a lift to Narok. Some young kikuyu lad was making fun of them. He told me that old man is rich landlord in limuru town - while other older guy is his property caretaker - he says despite having all the money - they will never pay for anything including bus fare. They were going to Narok to check the properties - and all they kept doing there was asking for a lift. I stayed there for few minutes as I negotiated with cops to go bury my old man - and those old men just kept asking for lift - from lorries, pickups, private cars - and because it was COVID-19 I doubt they suceeded. The young lad said if they don't get a free lift - they will postpone their trip :). The rich older one eventually sat down in a shade and left the old caretaker to work the lift ;) - asking anyone going to Narok for a lift.
Anyway there are such kind of old men everywhere including in our village. I wonder why they choose that kind of misery?Do not focus on the political elites. You just need to be in touch with the regular karanja who lives deep in rural kiambu possibly in a tea growing zone. You will then get to know how the juggernaut that is the kikuyu works. It is something you have to know if you live or you are familiar with kikuyus on personal level. Especially with old generation you never on the face of it kbow they have money. As matter of fact you would pity the person. My distant cousin dad was such a kind guy had about 45 million in his Barclays bank account that he rarely transacted. So one year the bank manager was sent to come to his house and find him to sign some required legal documents. He ends up at my cousin's home his dad was cutting the hedge dressed like a pauper. So the manager from bank asks the guy where his employer was only for the man to identify himself as the employer. The bank guy had assumed the emaciated looking peasant was a employee of his client. There are lot of this kind that only go to nairobi 4 times a year but a rich like nonsense
Do not focus on the political elites. You just need to be in touch with the regular karanja who lives deep in rural kiambu possibly in a tea growing zone. You will then get to know how the juggernaut that is the kikuyu works. It is something you have to know if you live or you are familiar with kikuyus on personal level. Especially with old generation you never on the face of it kbow they have money. As matter of fact you would pity the person. My distant cousin dad was such a kind guy had about 45 million in his Barclays bank account that he rarely transacted. So one year the bank manager was sent to come to his house and find him to sign some required legal documents. He ends up at my cousin's home his dad was cutting the hedge dressed like a pauper. So the manager from bank asks the guy where his employer was only for the man to identify himself as the employer. The bank guy had assumed the emaciated looking peasant was a employee of his client. There are lot of this kind that only go to nairobi 4 times a year but a rich like nonsense
Kikuyu are noted business men. Merus are now all over selling mirraa. It's good start.Its simplistic and layman thinking that Meru are only in Miraa. Merus have almost equivalent business acumen as kikuyu but because other kabilas choose to just refer to them as kikuyus their origin is lost. Merus are dominant in the agribusiness industry many firms are Meru owned or led, again merus have ventured into manufacturing rhino and royal mabati limited to say a few, in real estate Merus dominate like Mworia of centum among others, we had the deceased Muriungi of mastermind etc, Merus are a very industrious bunch and with a population of just 2M we have done very much compared to other kabila cia ruguru like nkalenjini, mbaluhya, njaruo gikamba na kadhalika.Ok I agree, generally standard of living for agricultural communities is almost the same in RV and central. But what about the business community between the 2?
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Crime and alcohol is part of kikuyu peasants. Kiambu means a place of screams. Most people from kiambu were outlaws from muranga and ahoi peasant poor..as a kid I literally slept in a bunker. We wouldxbe attacked now and then.
Interesting, speak on it. Who was those attacking? Mungikis?!
I have never felt unsafe and insecure anywhere in Kenya even in Turkana and NEP as I was when in Centro. It is crazy, terror permeates the air. Bodies the first two nights I spent there. First one was found inside a water tank. Second was hacked badly. There is a code of silence, people speak in hushed tones, no one dares raise their head.
I never understand Kikuyus when they praise themselves for being the better kabila, yet they do not even feel safe in their own homes. Most Kikuyus I lived with in Nairobi, now in pension have stuck in town. The women hardly go to shags and the men only make daytime trips to their farms or homes in the rural area. Nobody dares spend the night in Muranga or Nyeri. If they do, then in the town.
Why do Kikuyus even have problems admitting that they have a big security issue?
I remember at one occasion my brother inlaw had a breakdown in the evening with his Toyota Prado in Western. We had a big problem getting even a watchman to take care of the car at night. There were none in sight. Cause they are not needed we were told. So the car ended up being abandoned on the roadside. Early the next morning, the car was intact. Imagine had this happened in kikuyuland.Interesting, speak on it. Who was those attacking? Mungikis?!
I have never felt unsafe and insecure anywhere in Kenya even in Turkana and NEP as I was when in Centro. It is crazy, terror permeates the air. Bodies the first two nights I spent there. First one was found inside a water tank. Second was hacked badly. There is a code of silence, people speak in hushed tones, no one dares raise their head.
Its simplistic and layman thinking that Meru are only in Miraa. Merus have almost equivalent business acumen as kikuyu but because other kabilas choose to just refer to them as kikuyus their origin is lost. Merus are dominant in the agribusiness industry many firms are Meru owned or led, again merus have ventured into manufacturing rhino and royal mabati limited to say a few, in real estate Merus dominate like Mworia of centum among others, we had the deceased Muriungi of mastermind etc, Merus are a very industrious bunch and with a population of just 2M we have done very much compared to other kabila cia ruguru like nkalenjini, mbaluhya, njaruo gikamba na kadhalika.
That said tell me more about this
https://www.google.com/search?q=praise+mall+meru&client=ms-rev1&prmd=imvn&sxsrf=ALeKk02iL7U5bl6UxTF20NBTtH7RNIMdVQ:1595484295916&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZmc-V2uLqAhXK6eAKHWzkBfQQ_AUoBHoECAwQBA&biw=360&bih=598&dpr=2
Interesting, speak on it. Who was those attacking? Mungikis?!
I have never felt unsafe and insecure anywhere in Kenya even in Turkana and NEP as I was when in Centro. It is crazy, terror permeates the air. Bodies the first two nights I spent there. First one was found inside a water tank. Second was hacked badly. There is a code of silence, people speak in hushed tones, no one dares raise their head.
The insecurity took hold during moi time. I think it was more due to lack of proper policing things,just spiraled out of control. Population explosion and lack of land by masses is a big problem. In limuru all the peasants are crammed in villages while the land is was taken by tea farms owned by colonial tea companies
And really the problem will go nationwide until we stop our dysfunctional police force. We need stop recruit a policeman from Kiambu and send them to Moyale - and have Moyale sent to Kiambu.
Police should be local like teachers are. They should live with the people and protect their own people.
And this can be solved by devolving police force to counties...who will handle the hiring and transfer...and will be more responsive to local policing needs.
More lack of community policing. You need strong nyumba kumbi. Kind of youth wingers going round the village, identifying the bad apples and punishing them severely.It is stable,now community in my village has taken over policing. We tried community policing during moi but it was always undermined in the justice system. The thugs would increase their violence to deter community policing
Moi has been out for 20yrs - now it's time for central to address it - like they tried on drug abuse.
The chiefs, ass chiefs and rest should be empowered to work with community police - nyumba kumi - have them even paid a salary - like for every 10 families - one community police man. They will be patrolling or investigate crimes - and nipping them in the bud.The insecurity took hold during moi time. I think it was more due to lack of proper policing things,just spiraled out of control. Population explosion and lack of land by masses is a big problem. In limuru all the peasants are crammed in villages while the land is was taken by tea farms owned by colonial tea companies
Pundit, in Ololo we would say, umedinya point.
The police should be locals. That is the key to security. It would even solve the terrible housing problem facing the police. Why should a policeman with a house in Moyale be stationed in Kitui where he will be housed in hut to share with another policeman? Kenya has never changed from the colonial policy of sending policemen to strange areas as the colonolists knew the policemen would have no empathy for the locals. We need leaders with the nation at heart and not colonolists with black skin.And really the problem will go nationwide until we stop our dysfunctional police force. We need stop recruit a policeman from Kiambu and send them to Moyale - and have Moyale sent to Kiambu.
Police should be local like teachers are. They should live with the people and protect their own people.
And this can be solved by devolving police force to counties...who will handle the hiring and transfer...and will be more responsive to local policing needs.