Pundit & Noway - BBI will pass without dot or comma - despite Ruto bribing ODM

[Nefertiti]

BBI is better than any MOU. Why would a Joho or Kingi or Mutua back Ruto - while BBI allow him to be MP and possibly CS under Raila?

About 100B gdp... Prof Ndung'u ponzi scheme cannot change that. Hustler or wheelbarrow is just a slogan not a genuine transformation. Why is UDA back to the drawing board - with new professor after hiring all Ndii's and Owallos - is because class was beaten hands-down by tribe on March 4th & 18th. It an attempt to breathe air into a carcass - akin to Jesus miracle with Lazarus of Bethany, son of Nain and Jairus' daughter. Resurrecting hustler mzoga is more herculean than passing BBI.

Non-GEMA
Hustler nonsense is dead. One-Kenya killed it. With BBI lineup Raila has non-Gema bulk. Ruto has bulk of pastoralists. In NEP his crew impeached Wajir governor last week for preaching BBI.

GEMA
Boils down to Uhuru. With hustler dead, watermelon won't cut it as BBI is Gema windfall. Being "neutral" in BBI election remind me of UK Brexit-election and the fate of "neutral" Labor Party. Worst performance in 85 years. Ruto will quit politics in shame ala Jeremy Corbyn - after the dog-beating.

UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.

Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.

Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.

In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.

BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.

What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS . After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow

Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.

What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit  new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.

Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...

[Nefertiti]

Anyway Pundit - from this thread... BBI is passing parliament without amendments. I know you are now hanging on AG Kihara mischief to pass some clauses. In few days we will see that won't happen - more of your fake punditry. Next high court dismiss Ndii nonsense - in Aug - few CoA noises by Dec. Then Uhuru-Raila claim it costly to spend 14B on referendum and propose to "save" the cash for youth by 7-ballot combo.

Sticky this  Prof Ndung'u cannot save you.

[Nefertiti]

My dear Omollo I withdraw this low punch 

As usual you conflate your wishes with your punditry. BBI is 2022 combo - there are no numbers to pre-pass any clauses as Omollo and Pundit opine. It is also necessary to have a Yes-Raila vs Ruto-No lineup to beat Ruto. Kichwa seems to think Ruto is long vanquished but he is woefully off. Omollo the abominable groom is retired in Switzerland.

[Kichwa]

Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.

Poor Kichwa like Raila has yet to realize that Uhuru is going home. He doesn't represent GEMA future but past. It's like going to negotiate with Kibaki for gema throne. It gonna end in tears.

As for Kalenjin betrayal - tell me one kalenjin fired - by Uhuru - and not replaced by a fellow Kalenjin. We still have all our 50-50 positions intact. It only Ruto who has been reduced to a figure head...and GEMA people are committed to Ruto.

This is what is driving you guys insane...GEMA are with Ruto..and Raila has NOT made any dent 4yrs later..but you expect somehow in 2022..Uhuru will issue executive order to GEMA nation to back Raila .

It will end in premium tears.

Hehehehe-we have had this bravado predictions before.  You told us that BBI would not get the requisite 75% of the counties and it surpassed that easily.  Ruto was lied to for a long time that the presidency would be handed over to him and we now know that is not going to happen.  You also told us that Kalenjins unlike Luos cannot be betrayed-well the betrayal is almost complete and I only see surrender.  I do not think Ruto is out, but he has been cut to size considerably.  He was literally sleep walking to the presidency until the one-two-punch from handshake and BBI that stunned him. Even if he recovers now, his best bet is an alliance with RAO.  Ouru cannot compromise with him because Ruto's presidency is an existential threat to the Okuyu oligarchs headed by the presidents own brother. Just like when Ruto had to choose between RAO and Ouru in 2013, he chose Ouru because the kikuyus held the instruments of power, RAO too will choose ouru because Ouru holds the instruments of power. Its all coming back to 2013, except the tables have been turned on Ruto this time.

Why would Ruto want BBI to pass in parliament. To hand Uhuru more power?

Ruto people will vote NO. Ruto understand Uhuru gameplan INSIDE OUT. He has counter-intelligence. He understand Uhuru thinking.

Raila will decide....if he get lied (very likely going by push and pull) - then he will vote YES (like the moron he is) - unless senators/MPS of ODM go rouge.

It appear Orengo and his better trained strategist are going NO. They can see the trap Uhuru is setting up.

While Raila's Robina TYPE FOOLS (WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET TYPE LIE TO ME 1000 time) have swalloed Uhuru lie, HOOK, LINE and SINKER.

As soon as parliament passes BBI - why would Uhuru need Raila?

All he need is Kihara to remove 1 or 2 useless things like Ombusdman - for referendum - and as of next week - BBI will be LAW.

Muturi already gave the roadmap. Kihara will split that BBI into Uhuru BBI - and Raila's BBI. Uhuru will ammend the Katiba now. Raila will be given his BBI and told to engage Chebukati for referendum.

Chebukati will say he's too busy with 6 elections. Meanwhile Uhuru's BBI will start action before end of may. While you wait for BBI as 2022 COMBO

In short AG Kihara will correct any "typographical errors" - including sneak in Uhuru pension Anyway I opined earlier it obvious Raila did not want BBI passed in parliament (which Ruto did) for fear Uhuru would shortchange him. This emerging setup is best for Raila:- Ruto must decide Yes or No cause Simpleton Wanjiku thinks in binary. Being Watermelon is akin to not having a manifesto.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit's new gospel is that Gema laity will remain with Ruto despite the Uhuru betrayal. You are right it goes against his cherished MOAS - and no doubt he has flexible, dodgy principles.

Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.

[Nowayhaha]

You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .

Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.

You corrected nothing.

Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.

They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.

I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV

Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!

The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.

Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.

[Nowayhaha]

This was Railas plan until he realised much later Mt Kenya cannot vote him and secondly Uhuru shafted him proper on BBI.

Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship.  Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit".  Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI).  Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him.  Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly.  RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI.  Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power.  As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good.  RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams.  BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.

Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI.  And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.

Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation

Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.

In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.

Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.

Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.

As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!

[gout]

Here is Dos Santos stooge -Lourenco- going hammer and tongs after family of larger than Angola godfather.

This is ufool's greatest fears and thus the suicidal political blunders or by all means necessary hare brained schemes of staying powerful.

Responding to criticism from opposition representatives who have said Angola's justice system is still not independent, Lourenco said while it "may have been the case in the past...today they have absolute liberty to act. That is the reason why there are so many trials, particularly related to corruption."

Lourenco acknowledged his role in working under the country's ex-president and African oil mogul, and said he remains committed to tackling the country's graft problem.

"He [dos Santos] stayed in power for almost 40 years," said Lourenco. "No one can say that he or she was not a part of the system. We were all part of the system."

"It is precisely because I have seen these high levels of corruption — and because I think that situation shouldn't continue — that we are fighting what we have seen for decades," he said. "We now have got a chance for change. And this is the right time to do it."

https://www.dw.com/en/angolas-president-joao-lourenco-says-no-negotiations-with-isabel-dos-santos/a-52236850

You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .

Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.

You corrected nothing.

Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.

They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.

I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV

Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!

The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.

Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.

[Nowayhaha]

You realise your line of thought is with Orengos? This is what Orengo &Otiende  have been agitating for but guys close to Raila think a contest is priority. They will realise later shadow boxing is much more worse as it doesnt bring either viewership nor money.

You're cashing the future. The same mistake. Raila should have made handshake pay - now and then. But he was promised BBI heaven. It's insanity 101. Ruto doesn't feel any anger with Uhuru because he made Jubilee 1.0  count when he had a chance. In politics and business - window of opportunities open up and closes as quickly.

Now imagine if Ruto and Uhuru were to reconcile? What will Raila go home with? Apart from the Prados?

Raila mid last year had window of opportunity to demand a gov of national unity - and get many of his guys cabinet and gov position of influence - where he can make some changes - of his ODM manifesto.

This possibly the worst - with Moi he got something and started making money - Kibaki the same - with Uhuru he got fake promises

Now as we approach 2022 - Raila is broke - he has lost NASA - he is losing core support by blindly supporting unpopular gov - and looks likely he won't even stand in 2022.

All this for BBI - while Uhuru continue to seperate handshake with 2022.

Handshake and BBI saved Kenya from Ruto dictatorship.  Mike Tyson used to say, "you have a plan until you are hit".  Ruto had a plan which he thought was full proof until he was hit with a left and a right (handshake and then BBI).  Ruto was arrogantly sleep walking to the presidency and then handshake happened then before he could recover, BBI exposed him.  Even with the handshake, Ruto was still doing well in Mt. Kenya and was still calling RAO Mganga, after Mt. Kenya figured out that they stood to gain a lot with BBI, they abandoned Ruto quickly.  RAO on the other hand was on the outside but he squeezed himself "katikati ya ouru na WSR", using handshake and BBI.  Now both Ouru and WSR, need RAO to retain power.  As far as I am concerned, BBI has done its job and even it it is killed by the court, it will not change the new political reality-both sides need RAO to retain or get power. If Ouru betrays RAO, RAO can always put together a deal with Ruto that would shake the Mt. Kenya hegemony for good.  RAO can also team up with Ouru and the cerelac kids to vanguish WSR presidential dreams.  BBI has been good for RAO but its not necessary henceforth.

Raila should find a different way to ascend to power than BBI.  And Uhuru should know that a president - even a stupid one- can't be dictated to by anybody even a former powerful president.

Putin became prime minister. Yeltsin's daughter met the oligarchs to complain that the father was drinking too much and the blackouts were too frequent. The oligarchs were sure they could control Putin. Yeltsin tendered resignation

Putin set about consolidating power. He realized he's nothing with the oligarchs controlling all money. He invited them to the Kremlin. Live TV but he lied to them it wasn't live. No phones so nobody could warn them.

In short he had them all arrested. He ordered it on TV. People cheered.

Yeltsin died. State funeral. The daughter couldn't pass through the Kremlin gate.

Whether it's Raila or Ruto or hapless Wetangula the story will play out the same way.

As for President Raila... guy should know when to quit. Covid19 has seriously weakened him and now his age shows. It is sad. If he had kept the values that many of us supported him for I'd understand. But he has become a ruthless but brainless mercenary for Uhuru and that for us is not just a red line we can't cross; it is a deep bottomless Valley!

[Omollo]

That is the point I disagree with Pundit over. GEMA isn't voting for Raila, Ruto or MaDvD or anybody without pure Uthamaki blood.

What's lacking is mobilization. The MPs went for cash. Uhuru stopped the secret payments from that "window" at Interior when an angry Monica Juma convinced him to shut it after she was snubbed for the Head of Civil Service job.

Look at Ndii: Uhuru sends him a huge tax bill and he's already in Sugoi begging! Notwithstanding publicly insulting Ruto?

So it's money and that can be corrected. Uhuru can offer the MPs, Ndii and others money. They will all repair to pappa.

Did you see how they justified the appointment of Koome? Koome woke up at midnight to write and deliver a judgment quashing an Odunga judgment. She did it without one party. Koome barely made it through vetting because of corruption and perfidy. But Uthamaki scholars were as usual forgiving and full of kind words justifying her appointment.

I'm sorry but Ruto and Raila should prepare for a monumental disappointment if they are expecting votes from Uthamakistanis. Hakuna!

Pundit's new gospel is that Gema laity will remain with Ruto despite the Uhuru betrayal. You are right it goes against his cherished MOAS - and no doubt he has flexible, dodgy principles.

Of course you will stick to your narrative until its proven wrong then find away to change the goal post again.

[Omollo]

He's a much ignored but perfect example of a stooge / robot that malfunctioned

Here is Dos Santos stooge -Lourenco- going hammer and tongs after family of larger than Angola godfather.

This is ufool's greatest fears and thus the suicidal political blunders or by all means necessary hare brained schemes of staying powerful.

Responding to criticism from opposition representatives who have said Angola's justice system is still not independent, Lourenco said while it "may have been the case in the past...today they have absolute liberty to act. That is the reason why there are so many trials, particularly related to corruption."

Lourenco acknowledged his role in working under the country's ex-president and African oil mogul, and said he remains committed to tackling the country's graft problem.

"He [dos Santos] stayed in power for almost 40 years," said Lourenco. "No one can say that he or she was not a part of the system. We were all part of the system."

"It is precisely because I have seen these high levels of corruption — and because I think that situation shouldn't continue — that we are fighting what we have seen for decades," he said. "We now have got a chance for change. And this is the right time to do it."

https://www.dw.com/en/angolas-president-joao-lourenco-says-no-negotiations-with-isabel-dos-santos/a-52236850

You are wrong on arrests on camera , all those oligarchs in the meeting I can name the offhead , some flew weeks later , some became Putins friends and other were arrested much later .

Now so that I dont deviate , you are very right in what you say in regards to Uhuru and stooge, stooges never work, a propotion of the oligarchs thought by puting Putin there he would act as a stooge , another were good in cutting deals with Putin including Yesltin ,wife ,daughter and the husband . The latter eventually found out it was the better deal.
My point in a few words, Uhuru will eventually find out its better to cut a deal with Ruto (Plan B) rather than try to impose a stooge(Plan A). Its a zero sum game.

You corrected nothing.

Putin had the oligarchs arrested. The cameras went off on cue. He ordered them arrested. The details and the arrests were later shown because though the live transmission seemingly ended without arrests some journalists did videotape the actual arrests.

They were locked up. Putin then allowed them to go on condition they give back state property. Those clever enough fled Russia that very day. Those who stayed some rotted in jails. Putin wasn't done: he hunted the fugitives killing one after another until western governments eventually figured out that the high mortality among seemingly healthy Russian emigres was murder.

I would bother digging up videos and such in the past. No more. I live in a country where it was headline news. At least one of the oligarchs came to the city where I live and narrated his ordeal on a Saturday TV show the days I used to watch TV

Please don't waste my time on frivolities. But as I said knock yourself out. The point is no person can remain a stooge while wielding such awesome powers as president! None!

The example often cited of Medvedev is erroneous. Putin simply pretended to step aside. Before that he transferred key portfolios to the PM position. He controlled the party which in Russia means a lot from the communist era.

Omollo,If read the post about Putin ,I was just correcting some few things, about arresting Oligarch on Tv is not correct, I just deatailed how Putin came to power and his immediate action after ascending to power. How you concluded I was refuting you is beyond anybodys imagination, you always look for Ghosts everywhere.
Good youve realised it and concluded we are on the same page.

[RV Pundit]

You;re on funny cartoon - who has decided that BBI will be part of 2022 election   - and has gone ahead to draft Raila led coalition with about 10 people - squeezed in about 5 positions   PORK, DPORK, PM and two DPM. Where will Joho fit in there? When even Wetangula has no number?

Tell you what - let us deal with reality as we know. BBI fate now lies with the judiciary. The 5 bench high court to be precise will decide how we move from here. I suggest you wait until that is dispense with. As for parliament and senate - their role is ceremonial -  so it really too much ado about nothing.

But if they pass it and the high court dismisses all 8 cases - a mischievous Uhuru could declare BBI doesn't offend any protected section and declared the constitution. Therefore it's in Raila interest to make it pass in parliament and be rejected in senate...like I suspect it will.

As for Ruto and those opposed to BBI - our best bet remain to fight BBI in court - so I expect more and more cases - and more and more injunctions. We just need to buy time until Uhuru retires - then BBI will join the rest of papers in Dandora dumpsite.

We are still in 2021.

Now we get into 2022. BBI would either be dead or limping on -most definitely in courts as appeals are more than guranteed - or already the law.

We get to 2022 - and we have 8 months - parliament is dissolved in Feb - January Nairobi is empty of politicians - and everyone is out there with hired or borrowed 4WD meeting the ground.This is where the rubber meet the road.

Will Uhuru who has the last 4 years been unable to campaign in GEMA - certainly get some mojo back - to take the hated Raila around GEMA. My punditry say NO. Uhuru will continue hiding. Matiangi will also continue being CS of Security - but somehow hopping he can become PORK.

Ruto - my man - who is the man to beat - who you need 10 candidates in a BBI constellation  - will make a deal with GEMA faction - the gema ground - will decide - to split into Kieleweke or UDA. So far all evidence suggests Ruto despite zero power is very popular. Uhuru is hated. And Raila is abhorred - anathema.

Now Ruto will find it difficult to nick 50% with a divided GEMA - an hostile executive - but I believe unlike Uhuru who had to deal with Anti-GEMA sentiments - Ruto will score big in Non-GEMA. Ruto will occupy Uhuru's GEMA position and Raila's Non-GEMA - and that make the man very hard to beat.

As for OKOA kenya - that nonsense - will unravel when they have to pick candidates They just managed to lie to their people that they are united - but who will BELL THE CAT. They go back to Raila or wait for Uhuru to unleash Gideon Moi?

Raila is what doctored ordered for Ruto - because GEMA WILL REVOLT completely - and Uhuru will not manage 5% of GEMA- and Ruto will win in 1st round.

The dangerous proposition is where Uhuru and Raila realize Ruto is very strong - and go tribal - by splintering the vote - to deny Ruto 50% - OKOA last by-election style - and hope to merge in 2nd round. But I doubt they will realize just how strong Ruto is - so they will not go for 2nd Round Strategy.

For Ruto to win in 2022 in 1st Round.

1) Get the majority of GEMA - by making a deal
2) Work on getting the majority of Non-GEMA without an horse - there is at least 30% out there - outside the Big 5 tribes. This MOI constituency that can be powerful as GEMA if well-taken care of .
3) Make a deal with one of BIg 5 - Certainly I would take somehow hopeless like Wetangula and aim for Bukusu - for exchange of  PM or something like that - or even COAST supremo - if one was to emerge - seem completely splintered into 3 camps.

BBI is better than any MOU. Why would a Joho or Kingi or Mutua back Ruto - while BBI allow him to be MP and possibly CS under Raila?

About 100B gdp... Prof Ndung'u ponzi scheme cannot change that. Hustler or wheelbarrow is just a slogan not a genuine transformation. Why is UDA back to the drawing board - with new professor after hiring all Ndii's and Owallos - is because class was beaten hands-down by tribe on March 4th & 18th. It an attempt to breathe air into a carcass - akin to Jesus miracle with Lazarus of Bethany, son of Nain and Jairus' daughter. Resurrecting hustler mzoga is more herculean than passing BBI.

Non-GEMA
Hustler nonsense is dead. One-Kenya killed it. With BBI lineup Raila has non-Gema bulk. Ruto has bulk of pastoralists. In NEP his crew impeached Wajir governor last week for preaching BBI.

GEMA
Boils down to Uhuru. With hustler dead, watermelon won't cut it as BBI is Gema windfall. Being "neutral" in BBI election remind me of UK Brexit-election and the fate of "neutral" Labor Party. Worst performance in 85 years. Ruto will quit politics in shame ala Jeremy Corbyn - after the dog-beating.

UDA is busy with registration and party structures - and coming up with manifesto- their own BBI.

Now let tell you BBI will NOT INCREASE POWER in Kenya. THE POWER which you can call - kenya budget of 30B dollars annual - will increase with our economy.

Ruto is now DP - but he has no power.

In Jubilee 1.0 he was DP - and had power due to 50-50 deal - he a mere VP but was appointing ministers, and name it. That power did NOT COME FROM DEPUTY PRESIDENT office. It came from Uhuru and political reality of Uhuru needing to be re-elected.

BBI is nonsense on steroid for small kids.

What if I make you a PM - and proceed to ignore you like Ruto? You cannot fire or hire minister. You'll be calling meeting like Matiangi and ministers will send junior level PS . After a few months - you'll get busy - somehow

Or the president can go ahead and issues EXECUTIVE ORDER OF 2023 - that declares RV Pundit the coordinator of gov What will you do as prime minister ?
Heck Raila in NARA - versus Muthaura. Which PNU minister would attend Raila meeting - NONE. Muthaura everyone knew was real gov supervisor and coordinator.

What is important for Ruto is to get GEMA to commit  new partneship agreement based on 50-50 like Jubilee 1.0 and to treat Uhuru aberration as 'urogi'.

Once Ruto has renewed the partneship with GEMA - and has not dropped the ball - despite massive propaganda - it GAME (GEMA) SHOT! The NON_GEMA provide rigging proof margins...

[Nefertiti]

Joho or Mutua stake in BBI is to be first MP then hopefully CS... while Ruto offers them retirement. At least you acknowledge Uhuru is with Raila and merely argue about his ability to rally Gema. You underestimate Uhuru big and overrate Ruto. We will see soon.

You;re on funny cartoon - who has decided that BBI will be part of 2022 election   - and has gone ahead to draft Raila led coalition with about 10 people - squeezed in about 5 positions   PORK, DPORK, PM and two DPM. Where will Joho fit in there? When even Wetangula has no number?

Tell you what - let us deal with reality as we know. BBI fate now lies with the judiciary. The 5 bench high court to be precise will decide how we move from here. I suggest you wait until that is dispense with. As for parliament and senate - their role is ceremonial -  so it really too much ado about nothing.

But if they pass it and the high court dismisses all 8 cases - a mischievous Uhuru could declare BBI doesn't offend any protected section and declared the constitution. Therefore it's in Raila interest to make it pass in parliament and be rejected in senate...like I suspect it will.

As for Ruto and those opposed to BBI - our best bet remain to fight BBI in court - so I expect more and more cases - and more and more injunctions. We just need to buy time until Uhuru retires - then BBI will join the rest of papers in Dandora dumpsite.

We are still in 2021.

Now we get into 2022. BBI would either be dead or limping on -most definitely in courts as appeals are more than guranteed - or already the law.

We get to 2022 - and we have 8 months - parliament is dissolved in Feb - January Nairobi is empty of politicians - and everyone is out there with hired or borrowed 4WD meeting the ground.This is where the rubber meet the road.

Will Uhuru who has the last 4 years been unable to campaign in GEMA - certainly get some mojo back - to take the hated Raila around GEMA. My punditry say NO. Uhuru will continue hiding. Matiangi will also continue being CS of Security - but somehow hopping he can become PORK.

Ruto - my man - who is the man to beat - who you need 10 candidates in a BBI constellation  - will make a deal with GEMA faction - the gema ground - will decide - to split into Kieleweke or UDA. So far all evidence suggests Ruto despite zero power is very popular. Uhuru is hated. And Raila is abhorred - anathema.

Now Ruto will find it difficult to nick 50% with a divided GEMA - an hostile executive - but I believe unlike Uhuru who had to deal with Anti-GEMA sentiments - Ruto will score big in Non-GEMA. Ruto will occupy Uhuru's GEMA position and Raila's Non-GEMA - and that make the man very hard to beat.

As for OKOA kenya - that nonsense - will unravel when they have to pick candidates They just managed to lie to their people that they are united - but who will BELL THE CAT. They go back to Raila or wait for Uhuru to unleash Gideon Moi?

Raila is what doctored ordered for Ruto - because GEMA WILL REVOLT completely - and Uhuru will not manage 5% of GEMA- and Ruto will win in 1st round.

The dangerous proposition is where Uhuru and Raila realize Ruto is very strong - and go tribal - by splintering the vote - to deny Ruto 50% - OKOA last by-election style - and hope to merge in 2nd round. But I doubt they will realize just how strong Ruto is - so they will not go for 2nd Round Strategy.

For Ruto to win in 2022 in 1st Round.

1) Get the majority of GEMA - by making a deal
2) Work on getting the majority of Non-GEMA without an horse - there is at least 30% out there - outside the Big 5 tribes. This MOI constituency that can be powerful as GEMA if well-taken care of .
3) Make a deal with one of BIg 5 - Certainly I would take somehow hopeless like Wetangula and aim for Bukusu - for exchange of  PM or something like that - or even COAST supremo - if one was to emerge - seem completely splintered into 3 camps.

[RV Pundit]

Why would Uhuru go down with Raila . You clearly don't understand politricks. You think Uhuru really HATES RUTO so much!  He will go to any length. Maajabu.

Uhuru will do what in best interest of Uhuru. NOT RAILA.

As far as I know Raila was long dumped by even Kieleweke - left to Maina Kamanda.

If Raila CANNOT sell in GEMA. If even attempting to say Raila will drain your vote - who will do that. Maybe Uhuru who is going for retirement. But who will listen to Uhuru...say I am MCA or Mp....and I say Raila...and I get stonned...will I insist or run . READ THE BLOODY SIGN ON THE WALL - YOU CANNOT BE SOLD IN GEMA - NOBODY WANTS YOU. NO magic can be done.

Uhuru gameplan I don't quite understand - that I will be very honest. What I understand is that he is USING RAILA -misuing.

Eti Uhuru is interested in being KYM or PM MAAJABU. Why would Uhuru demean himself like that?????????????// Or Uhuru wants PK in there; That is even more laughable.

Joho or Mutua stake in BBI is to be first MP then hopefully CS... while Ruto offers them retirement. At least you acknowledge Uhuru is with Raila and merely argue about his ability to rally Gema. You underestimate Uhuru big and overrate Ruto. We will see soon.

[Nowayhaha]

RV please stop it, Robina is a theorist. No amount schooling will make her see the light.
She still believes Uhuru will hand over Mt Kenya to PK. Where as its clear that Uhuru lost Mt Kenya by associating with Raila.
For her Kamba and Western by elections is an indication of how Mt Kenya will vote. She has never come to her senses that since 2007 Mt Kenya have been voting against Raila and not Kibaki or Uhuru.

[RV Pundit]

I cannot stop my civic duty to my fellow citizen and humanity - as much as I find it tiring.

RV please stop it, Robina is a theorist. No amount schooling will make her see the light.
She still believes Uhuru will hand over Mt Kenya to PK. Where as its clear that Uhuru lost Mt Kenya by associating with Raila.
For her Kamba and Western by elections is an indication of how Mt Kenya will vote. She has never come to her senses that since 2007 Mt Kenya have been voting against Raila and not Kibaki or Uhuru.

[Nefertiti]

Well Pundit & Noway - we just saw Ruto imaginary support fizzle to mere 83 MPs... every time tyre meets thwe road you hear some flimsy excuses. Like Juja and Kiambaa - such a grand chance to upstage Uhuru-Jubilee but nope - the wildly popular cowards.

Anyway when your fake Jesus manages to resurrect the UDA mzoga let us know.

[Omollo]

I have never really heard Ruto clearly oppose BBI. then again what will he lose? GEMA is repeating old mistakes: decorate the office of the President with massive powers hoping one of them will take it then boom! Moi takes it and those powers come in handy in dismantling GEMA quite literally!

I think Ruto sees it that way. His focus is to win the presidency period.

The saddest part of this is the realization that yet again a Luo is helping to rebuild an imperial presidency! Even sadder: the son of Kenyatta's premier victim is helping the son of Kenyatta to sharpen the weapons used by the old despot against opponents and democracy! Very sad! Jaramogi would ask to die again were he to arise and find out what Raila has been to

[audacityofhope]

Whoever started this thread and gave it this title, it has come to pass as predicted! 

[KenyanPlato]

Robina
Give me a charity to donate on your behalf. Your punditry is way above this kalenjin nationalist from kericho.