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Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« on: April 27, 2021, 06:11:23 PM »
They cannot be allowed near power. Kenei was Tugen that was discriminated at DPs office and it led to his killing



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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2021, 08:25:57 PM »
Nandi use to kill anyone except Kipsigis - whom they consider their cousin. Ruto is a kipsigis. A Nandi or Kipsigis could move in or out of Nandi or Kipsigis. Nandis or Kipsigis consider themsleves the real Kalenjin - and consider the rest as kalenjin with impurities - so it was something justified to raid them for cattle and kill them if need be - like any enemy.

I'd say Nandi, Kipsigis and Lembus (Tugen from Koibatek) - and some Keiyos from lower side - considered themselves as allies. There were exclusion for example kipsigis - is kericho county - bomet - were mostly SOT - impure from Gusii blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandi_people
The Nandi are part of the Kalenjin, a Nilotic tribe living in East Africa.The Nandi ethnic group live in and with close association and relation with the Kipsigis tribe. They traditionally have lived and still form the majority in the highland areas of the former Rift Valley Province of Kenya, in what is today Nandi County. They speak the Nandi dialect of the Kalenjin language.

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2021, 09:06:07 PM »
Nandi use to kill anyone except Kipsigis - whom they consider their cousin. Ruto is a kipsigis. A Nandi or Kipsigis could move in or out of Nandi or Kipsigis. Nandis or Kipsigis consider themsleves the real Kalenjin - and consider the rest as kalenjin with impurities - so it was something justified to raid them for cattle and kill them if need be - like any enemy.

I'd say Nandi, Kipsigis and Lembus (Tugen from Koibatek) - and some Keiyos from lower side - considered themselves as allies. There were exclusion for example kipsigis - is kericho county - bomet - were mostly SOT - impure from Gusii blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandi_people
The Nandi are part of the Kalenjin, a Nilotic tribe living in East Africa.The Nandi ethnic group live in and with close association and relation with the Kipsigis tribe. They traditionally have lived and still form the majority in the highland areas of the former Rift Valley Province of Kenya, in what is today Nandi County. They speak the Nandi dialect of the Kalenjin language.

 :D I thought it was the other way, Kipsigis and Nandis are mixed with Bantu neighbors, the rest we the real McCoys.
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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2021, 09:18:51 PM »
Not true.
Kipsigis - and SOT - Bureti - were different subtribes if you will. Kipsigis were considered people who live in present day Kericho-londiani. Bureti were in middle. Sot were people who live in Bomet - with about 50% gusiis/bantu admixture - that affected everything including their language.

Nandi and Terik were different. Nandi pure were in tindiret-kabiyet-nandi hills - Nandis mixed with Luhyas were in Aldai and such areas towards western.

Kipsigis or Nandis never really intermarried with Luos - Luos refused to circumscize and came in late - so purest of Kalenjin border Luos - the rest were affected by admixtures

For tugen - Lembus are tugen of Koibatek like Moi wife Lena - close to Nandi/Kipsigis than Aror - Tugen of Baringo Kabarnet like Moi - Aror were close to Pokot.

Pokot were considered half Kalenjin half turkana - you can say the same of Aror like Moi.

Keiyo the same - South west - in Uasin Gishu - were close to Nandis and Kipsigis - the Northern and towards Baringo close to Aror/Pokot

Marakwet and many were considered aboriginals - close to Dorobos.

Who therefore is an IDEAL Kalenjin to them - he was neither Nilote or Bantu - he was more a cushite - slim but not too dark like pokot - with hair like a somali - and with dare-devil courage like a cushite.

Kalenjin the ideal - despised the nilotes like the Luos - and the bantus like gusii and Luhyas.

Kipsigis for example - say there were only two original clans (Kipsamaek and barsisiek) - the clan members of these tribes typical were brown with somali like hair. The history of modern kalenjin therefore is eastern cushitic males overrunning nilotic root - from the day of migration near Khartoum.

:D I thought it was the other way, Kipsigis and Nandis are mixed with Bantu neighbors, the rest we the real McCoys.

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2021, 09:37:04 PM »
Interesting always thought of Ruto as Nandi :o

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 09:44:49 PM »
Ruto bro was in Nipate.com.
Ruto family started in Tanzania - they lived with Kurias.
These I think are Kalenjin who escaped to Tanzania in 1900s when Mzungu imposed restriction - some went to Uganda - with their cattle in tows.
Ruto grandfather emigrated back from Tarime in Tanzania to Belgut in Kericho  - btw 1910-1920 - to settle in Kapsoit in kericho.
In Belgut - they kept their Kuria name - and Ruto father - Arap Cheruiyot Kipruto was born - in Kiptere Belgut Kericho.
Around 1960s or just before independence - Ruto father followed his cousin to Nandi. He had then risen to be headman - in Belgut - but misshap had happened - someone had been killed - and villagers were baying for his blood. He moved from Kiptere to Kapsoit then eventually Nandi.
By then Ruto father was married - with Kipsigis wife - and Ruto eldest step or half brother - you;ve seen picture of Ruto broke half brother with gumboots - and many sisters..
Ruto father worked for his cousin in Nandi - and eventually got himself his own land in Uasin Gishu.
Ruto father then married Ruto's mother as the 2nd wife - Sarah - a Nandi girl.
He begot many kids - Ruto being the 3rd born - become very successfully and buy more land.
He marries the 3rd wife.
Ruto father now had 3 wives - 1st wife in Kericho Kapsoit - 2nd wife in Kamagut - and 3rd wife I think in border of Tranzoia/Uasin Ngishu
Out of his success - Ruto father was nicknamed Arap Samoei - the name Ruto would later adopt.Which mean - a man with many cattle or calves.

Ruto is 3rd born of the 2nd wife of  Kipruto arap Cheruiyot - with Kuria name :) as last name :) :). The 4th if you consider his two elder sisters are twins.

When Ruto first run in for Mp in 1997 - Moi and company used his kipsigis ancestry as propaganda that Kipsigis boy was going to overrun Nandi - and from then Ruto has been running away from it. But Ruto has step mother, siblings, uncles and cousins in kericho


Interesting always thought of Ruto as Nandi :o

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 10:17:41 PM »
This one is very close -just misses their kuria ancestry - MARURI sound kalenjin but it is I think kuria

*DP Ruto’s Heritage*
DP William Ruto’s father Daniel Samoei Kipruto araap Cheruiyot was born in 1914 in Kericho, to Mzee Cheruiyot araap Chumba who later moved to Ziwa in Nandi in the late 1960s. They were members of the Kapkomoseek clan – animal totem Kibiegen (baboon). The Kapkomoseek Clan in Nandi is known as Kapsato which split from the larger family when they moved to Nandi in the early 1800s. DPs grandfather was named Cheruiyot araap Chumba who was the son of Maruri araap Cheruto, the last born son of Cheruto araap Maina who was one of the earliest headmen of the Kipsigis appointed in 1905 and serving until his death in 1911. DPs grandmother was named Chebukwo Obot Temoet a daughter of the Kipkenda clan.  Cheruto araap Maina was the son of Maina araap Chibweri who was the son of Chibweri the brother of Wareko. Wareko was the grandfather of Sato (hence Kapsato of Nandi).
Cheruto araap Maina was a gazetted headman of Location 1 (Kiptere) in Kericho appointed by Kericho DC Hugh B. Partington in 1905. He was appointed because of his outstanding leadership of troops of battle and had become enormously wealthy by the standards of his day. He was appointed to work under Orkoiyot Kipchomber araap Koilegen who was appointed Paramount Chief of the Kipsigis in 1905. He in fact accompanied Koilegen to Mombasa in 1906 for the King’s birthday celebrations and he can be seen on the famous photo where Koilegen is turbaned. 
Cheruto was a man of great influence and so as the headman, he was tasked to collect hut and poll tax among the Kipsigis under his jurisdiction. One day in November 1911, Cheruto araap Maina was killed when he went to collect taxes from one of the sons of the Kisii woman who had been under the care of his father Maina araap Chibweri. Kapmanaichi as the family would be known, had a belligerent son who refused to pay taxes. Cheruto araap Maina got one of his bulls and had it driven to market and sold for the tax. The angry young man came to the place where Cheruto was drinking that evening and speared him to death from behind. So died a great chief of the Kipsigis people. Partington mentioned Cheruto araap Maina’s death in his diaries and the same is confirmed by the Kericho District Political Record of 1911 available at the Kenya National Archives. The strange thing about the death was that it happened to members of the same clan whereas if he had been killed by an outsider, blood money would have to be paid. There was no blood money here. The following year 1912, a son was born to Kipkurui araap Maina and to remember his brother, he named the boy Kipkilel araap Kirui. In due course, Kipkilel was baptized into the Catholic church at Kipchimchim in July 1950 and became firm friends with his cousin Daniel araap Cheruiyot the son of his uncle Cheruiyot araap Chumba the son of Maruri araap Cheruto the son of Cheruto araap Maina. Simeon’s father Kipkurui araap Maina was the younger brother of Cheruto araap Maina and the older brother of Kenduywo araap Maina. Their mother was named Nyariki, the first wife of Maina araap Chibweri. They had a sister named Taptechmet was married to Kipchomber araap Koilegen and was the mother of Kiboin araap Sitonik (father of the late Eli Sigilai and others).
*Moving to Nandi*
When Simeon moved to Nandi in 1964 and settled at Kipsiorori village in Kaboi location of Kaptumo division, Daniel followed him there staying with him briefly as he searched for land in Nandi. He stayed at his farm in Kipsiorori village in Kaptumo shortly before moving to Kamagut near Eldoret where he purchased land from the departing Europeans. Before leaving Kericho, Daniel was married Tamunai and had a son named Paul Labose. When he moved to Kamagut, he married Sarah and William Ruto was born to this union in 1966. William was his fourth child. Seeing that his son had settled in Nandi, Cheruiyot araap Chumba also moved to Uasin Ngishu in 1968, going all the way to Ziwa where he purchased some land.  He lived there until his death in 1976. Araap Chumba’s older brother Labose remained in Kericho as did his younger brother named Mbega, who is the father of Job Chirchir (formerly a director at NTSA) and a close ally of DP Ruto. Mzee Cheruiyot araap Chumba had several children among them Maria Keter, Grace Marindich, Nelly Mwei, and the late Joshua ‘Kiptamet’ araap Cheruiyot, Daniel Samoei araap Cheruiyot (DPs father)) and the last born son Philip araap Cheruiyot who lives in Ziwa. DPs uncle Joshua ‘Kiptamet’ Cheruiyot moved to Chepkumia where he bought land, married a Nandi woman of Kapsegoi family and joined the African Israel Church Nineveh (hence the nickname ‘Kiptamet’ for his turbans). You have seen that some of DP Ruto’s biggest fans are members of that African Israel Church Nineveh and it is not by default. He has relatives there. DP Ruto’s eldest brother is Paul Labose from his older mother Tamunia. Next are Susan and Elizabeth are from his mother Sarah. DP comes in fourth. After him are late Kiprop, Triza, David and the late Harrison Ruto.  From his father’s third wife Leah are Tecla, Samuel, Janet, Philemon, Jonah, Joel. Mzee Daniel Samoei araap Cheruiyot died on March 29, 2008 and was laid to rest at Kamagut.

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2021, 12:15:59 AM »
Not true.
Kipsigis - and SOT - Bureti - were different subtribes if you will. Kipsigis were considered people who live in present day Kericho-londiani. Bureti were in middle. Sot were people who live in Bomet - with about 50% gusiis/bantu admixture - that affected everything including their language.

Nandi and Terik were different. Nandi pure were in tindiret-kabiyet-nandi hills - Nandis mixed with Luhyas were in Aldai and such areas towards western.

Kipsigis or Nandis never really intermarried with Luos - Luos refused to circumscize and came in late - so purest of Kalenjin border Luos - the rest were affected by admixtures

For tugen - Lembus are tugen of Koibatek like Moi wife Lena - close to Nandi/Kipsigis than Aror - Tugen of Baringo Kabarnet like Moi - Aror were close to Pokot.

Pokot were considered half Kalenjin half turkana - you can say the same of Aror like Moi.

Keiyo the same - South west - in Uasin Gishu - were close to Nandis and Kipsigis - the Northern and towards Baringo close to Aror/Pokot

Marakwet and many were considered aboriginals - close to Dorobos.

Who therefore is an IDEAL Kalenjin to them - he was neither Nilote or Bantu - he was more a cushite - slim but not too dark like pokot - with hair like a somali - and with dare-devil courage like a cushite.

Kalenjin the ideal - despised the nilotes like the Luos - and the bantus like gusii and Luhyas.

Kipsigis for example - say there were only two original clans (Kipsamaek and barsisiek) - the clan members of these tribes typical were brown with somali like hair. The history of modern kalenjin therefore is eastern cushitic males overrunning nilotic root - from the day of migration near Khartoum.

Pundit, where are you getting this counterfeit revisionist genealogy? Is it backed by genetics or cultural anthropology or linguistics? Ama ni vitendawili
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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2021, 01:58:58 AM »
Pundit is always selling this ecentric kalenjin history.

He is an ulta_kale nationalist

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2021, 11:54:25 AM »
Interesting. How convenient that Ruto is Nandi-Kipsigis hybrid and Samoei all in one skin. I recall reading on nipate.com or jukwaa - Njamba or Nativeson or some moron - claiming Kikuyu long ancestry all the way to Jews. Njamba is this true? Can you trace Kikuyu holy land ancestry as a proud son of the soil.
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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2021, 12:38:06 PM »
Interesting. How convenient that Ruto is Nandi-Kipsigis hybrid and Samoei all in one skin. I recall reading on nipate.com or jukwaa - Njamba or Nativeson or some moron - claiming Kikuyu long ancestry all the way to Jews. Njamba is this true? Can you trace Kikuyu holy land ancestry as a proud son of the soil.

Kikuyus didnt exist before 14th century. They formed waru tribe in kenya at the end of 15th century

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2021, 12:40:58 PM »
This Ruto himself talking about it.

“I Ruto, as I address you here, my father, arap Samoei Cheruiyot, was born in Kiptere (Sigowet/Soin sub-county, Kericho county), of the Kapkomosek Clan. Am I a Nandi or Kipsigis? “Nandis and Kipsigis are relatives, or not? Even if I speak the Nandi dialect and the blood belongs to Kipsigis, do I belong to Kalenjin, or not? Then someone is telling us that Kipsigis and Nandis should part ways, someone who is stupid; who cannot differentiate between yesterday and tomorrow. “Listen to me, people of Rift Valley, we must remain united and speak in one voice,” said Ruto in the Nandi dialect.


Interesting. How convenient that Ruto is Nandi-Kipsigis hybrid and Samoei all in one skin. I recall reading on nipate.com or jukwaa - Njamba or Nativeson or some moron - claiming Kikuyu long ancestry all the way to Jews. Njamba is this true? Can you trace Kikuyu holy land ancestry as a proud son of the soil.

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2021, 12:42:11 PM »
Interesting. How convenient that Ruto is Nandi-Kipsigis hybrid and Samoei all in one skin. I recall reading on nipate.com or jukwaa - Njamba or Nativeson or some moron - claiming Kikuyu long ancestry all the way to Jews. Njamba is this true? Can you trace Kikuyu holy land ancestry as a proud son of the soil.
Yep you will hear all this even among some Merus who claim a northern origin,but generally its shows you historically mlima kabilas had contacts with people from around the Nile region/Egypt Sudan Ethiopia,for them to understand the biblical story. This story was well established even before advent of bazungu in kenya. Its dates back many centuries back.

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2021, 01:01:48 PM »
Back to the TOPIC,

Ruto Killed this youngman to cover up his arms dealing and corruption. Ruto is a scumbag

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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2021, 03:14:13 PM »
Back to the TOPIC,

Ruto Killed this youngman to cover up his arms dealing and corruption. Ruto is a scumbag

Yes Ruto murdered poor Kenei for being caught up in the cctv letting Echesa through the backdoor after scamming those Polish gunrunners. He then fooled gullible hustlers including Pundit that he is safi kama pamba and dynasties were framing him. The man basically has no boundaries when it comes to cutting corners.
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Re: Nandis Killed Tugen - Hawa Watu
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2021, 03:38:23 PM »
Back to the TOPIC,

Ruto Killed this youngman to cover up his arms dealing and corruption. Ruto is a scumbag

Yes Ruto murdered poor Kenei for being caught up in the cctv letting Echesa through the backdoor after scamming those Polish gunrunners. He then fooled gullible hustlers including Pundit that he is safi kama pamba and dynasties were framing him. The man basically has no boundaries when it comes to cutting corners.

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