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Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« on: April 24, 2021, 01:31:44 AM »
This koinange son cannot face Uhuru and tell him the truth.

Too much conflicts of interest.

As a judge - Justice Kariuku was doing a decent job - as AG - pure disaster.

Never appoint a judge an AG...they get paralyzed

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2021, 02:44:18 AM »
Works quietly like he should

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2021, 08:09:42 AM »
Kihara has outperfomed Muigai by miles even with the short time , Wako had around 20 years in office .This guy just 3 years.

This koinange son cannot face Uhuru and tell him the truth.

Too much conflicts of interest.

As a judge - Justice Kariuku was doing a decent job - as AG - pure disaster.

Never appoint a judge an AG...they get paralyzed

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2021, 09:21:06 AM »
Outperform where. Githu was 100 times better than Kihara. This is the guy who has blocked 41 judges from getting appointed - and is responsible for horrible 2nd term that is Jubilee.

Big EPIC Failure.

Kihara has outperfomed Muigai by miles even with the short time , Wako had around 20 years in office .This guy just 3 years.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2021, 09:21:40 AM »
What work? His main job is to advice the drunkard and gov on legal matters.

Our judiciary has overturned nearly every pro-gov decision - it's huge mess.

Works quietly like he should

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2021, 10:04:24 AM »

List thw items he perfomed 100 times better.
By advising the President to block the 41 judged because of intelligence reports due to corruption and incompetence  I believe that is comendable.A  Judiciary cleanup is looming , Hopefully whem Ruto comes to power he will do it well. Even getting the promotion itself invilved alot of corruption. Unfortunately  its affecting dispensing judicial services but the rot in Judiciary has to stop at one time . A cleanup was done by Kibaki in 2003 and again in 2012 , I believe its due time another one is done . New judges end up being corrupt if they are in the system for a very longtime.

Outperform where. Githu was 100 times better than Kihara. This is the guy who has blocked 41 judges from getting appointed - and is responsible for horrible 2nd term that is Jubilee.

Big EPIC Failure.

Kihara has outperfomed Muigai by miles even with the short time , Wako had around 20 years in office .This guy just 3 years.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2021, 11:00:35 AM »
Follow the law. Rule of law. We really don't care about fitina about corrupt judges. Appoint them. Send the DCI to investigate them. File petitions in JSC. or take them to court on criminal proceedings or send ARA their way if they have illegal wealth. The law protect judges against fitina by giving them security of tenure.

AG JOB IS TO ADVICE THE PRESIDENT TO FOLLOW THE LAW.


List thw items he perfomed 100 times better.
By advising the President to block the 41 judged because of intelligence reports due to corruption and incompetence  I believe that is comendable.A  Judiciary cleanup is looming , Hopefully whem Ruto comes to power he will do it well. Even getting the promotion itself invilved alot of corruption. Unfortunately  its affecting dispensing judicial services but the rot in Judiciary has to stop at one time . A cleanup was done by Kibaki in 2003 and again in 2012 , I believe its due time another one is done . New judges end up being corrupt if they are in the system for a very longtime.

Outperform where. Githu was 100 times better than Kihara. This is the guy who has blocked 41 judges from getting appointed - and is responsible for horrible 2nd term that is Jubilee.

Big EPIC Failure.

Kihara has outperfomed Muigai by miles even with the short time , Wako had around 20 years in office .This guy just 3 years.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2021, 12:07:29 PM »

Come on , you know rhe Kenya we live in. Executive have Impunity, Legislature is captured by Executive and Judiciary rulings are questionable.
You send DCI against a Judge , you get an injuction or a ruling against it.
The only solution is to have an impartial Judiciary , Right now as you saw its 50/50 pro executive pro judiciary. Before then almost 70 % pro Jucdiciary all complaints against Judges were either  been kept on hold by Registrar or being dropped all together. Or take example Mwilus case when is it going to come to a conclusion and she still sits in the same  JSC
A very corrupt person going as per her case.

Follow the law. Rule of law. We really don't care about fitina about corrupt judges. Appoint them. Send the DCI to investigate them. File petitions in JSC. or take them to court on criminal proceedings or send ARA their way if they have illegal wealth. The law protect judges against fitina by giving them security of tenure.

AG JOB IS TO ADVICE THE PRESIDENT TO FOLLOW THE LAW.


List thw items he perfomed 100 times better.
By advising the President to block the 41 judged because of intelligence reports due to corruption and incompetence  I believe that is comendable.A  Judiciary cleanup is looming , Hopefully whem Ruto comes to power he will do it well. Even getting the promotion itself invilved alot of corruption. Unfortunately  its affecting dispensing judicial services but the rot in Judiciary has to stop at one time . A cleanup was done by Kibaki in 2003 and again in 2012 , I believe its due time another one is done . New judges end up being corrupt if they are in the system for a very longtime.

Outperform where. Githu was 100 times better than Kihara. This is the guy who has blocked 41 judges from getting appointed - and is responsible for horrible 2nd term that is Jubilee.

Big EPIC Failure.

Kihara has outperfomed Muigai by miles even with the short time , Wako had around 20 years in office .This guy just 3 years.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 02:04:09 PM »
Like executive has exhausted corruption in it's part.Jsc not you or uhuru manage judiciary..AG sit there..all corruption fitina peleka pale.Ag kuhara hara is useless piece of scum.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 02:20:29 PM »
Like executive has exhausted corruption in it's part.Jsc not you or uhuru manage judiciary..AG sit there..all corruption fitina peleka pale.Ag kuhara hara is useless piece of scum.

AG has achieved Uhurus agenda. The president is safe from legal jeopardy and Kirariuki will be in the cabinet that will decide Uhuru Succession upon his death

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2021, 02:34:13 PM »
These dynasty off springs are not only hopelessly incompetent but full of bile for hustler achievers. Seems they just like still believe people cannot come from anywhere likes of Odunga, Mumbi and take the jobs of their kids at judiciary, KRA, and these prime technocratic positions.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2021, 02:47:58 PM »
Like executive has exhausted corruption in it's part.Jsc not you or uhuru manage judiciary..AG sit there..all corruption fitina peleka pale.Ag kuhara hara is useless piece of scum.

AG has achieved Uhurus agenda. The president is safe from legal jeopardy and Kirariuki will be in the cabinet that will decide Uhuru Succession upon his death
of course he was already set given koinange snr stole longtime ago before kuhara was born..stop being irrelevant..this about his legacy as the AG and uhurus

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2021, 02:50:26 PM »
These dynasty off springs are not only hopelessly incompetent but full of bile for hustler achievers. Seems they just like still believe people cannot come from anywhere likes of Odunga, Mumbi and take the jobs of their kids at judiciary, KRA, and these prime technocratic positions.
Yes it's been inherited from their parents attempt to replicate the British class system of upper class and the rest of poor

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2021, 09:33:32 PM »
I think he is one of the people who Uhuru will negoitiate with Ruto to leave him as AG. He single handedly saved UhuRutos 2017 Win,  NASA through CJ , Supreme Court and High Court almost made sure that the was no a re-run a day before the repeat elections and creating fertile grounds for a constituional crisis which the could have made a Nusu mkate Govt. Kihara constituted a quick bench which overturned high courts ruling.


Like executive has exhausted corruption in it's part.Jsc not you or uhuru manage judiciary..AG sit there..all corruption fitina peleka pale.Ag kuhara hara is useless piece of scum.

AG has achieved Uhurus agenda. The president is safe from legal jeopardy and Kirariuki will be in the cabinet that will decide Uhuru Succession upon his death

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2021, 09:41:58 PM »
Odunga is Openly Pro-ODM judge and has been doing their bidding. He is the biggest ODM insider in the judiciary.
Mumbi on the other hand is what has been the topic of discussion in the CJs interview the Activists judge her ruling on Governors made Governors to tow the line on Govt and executive managed to capture the counties and their assmeblies together with county executive. Going by the trend enabaled by her judgement Governors now have to sing to Uhurus tune or face the music, the ones who differ opinion wise are handed to DCI and Prosecution with manufacured charges and their Deputies become Governors , the other have to sing Uhuru praises nowonder even after not getting their share of revenue from Treasury they are very quite , now compare that before Mumbis Ruling where the Ruttos ,Munya were a thorn in Govt flesh.

These dynasty off springs are not only hopelessly incompetent but full of bile for hustler achievers. Seems they just like still believe people cannot come from anywhere likes of Odunga, Mumbi and take the jobs of their kids at judiciary, KRA, and these prime technocratic positions.
Yes it's been inherited from their parents attempt to replicate the British class system of upper class and the rest of poor

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2021, 09:59:11 PM »
Why would Ruto retain an incompetent AG who has lost pretty much every case? The gov is on collision course with judiciary - and gov is losing - huduma number took forever - housing levy - well I lost count.

What Ruto or next president need is someone like Wako...very good lawyer who is also very effective.

Hii fitina yenu ya pro-odm is silly.

I think he is one of the people who Uhuru will negoitiate with Ruto to leave him as AG. He single handedly saved UhuRutos 2017 Win,  NASA through CJ , Supreme Court and High Court almost made sure that the was no a re-run a day before the repeat elections and creating fertile grounds for a constituional crisis which the could have made a Nusu mkate Govt. Kihara constituted a quick bench which overturned high courts ruling.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2021, 10:01:52 PM »
There is appeal mechanism. Yes Odunga and Mumbi have made ruling as high court judges that I don't like. But there is court of appeal and supreme court.

All LUOS are PRO-ODM. ALL KIKUYUS are PRO-UHURU.

What kind of nonsense are you peddling and where do you want to leave this country - IN A CIVIL WAR or what.

Judiciary should remain independent arbiter. JSC should run judiciary. End of story.

Odunga is Openly Pro-ODM judge and has been doing their bidding. He is the biggest ODM insider in the judiciary.
Mumbi on the other hand is what has been the topic of discussion in the CJs interview the Activists judge her ruling on Governors made Governors to tow the line on Govt and executive managed to capture the counties and their assmeblies together with county executive. Going by the trend enabaled by her judgement Governors now have to sing to Uhurus tune or face the music, the ones who differ opinion wise are handed to DCI and Prosecution with manufacured charges and their Deputies become Governors , the other have to sing Uhuru praises nowonder even after not getting their share of revenue from Treasury they are very quite , now compare that before Mumbis Ruling where the Ruttos ,Munya were a thorn in Govt flesh.

These dynasty off springs are not only hopelessly incompetent but full of bile for hustler achievers. Seems they just like still believe people cannot come from anywhere likes of Odunga, Mumbi and take the jobs of their kids at judiciary, KRA, and these prime technocratic positions.
Yes it's been inherited from their parents attempt to replicate the British class system of upper class and the rest of poor

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2021, 11:09:37 PM »

RV , nowhere have I said what you are insuniating.
I stated Odunga is Pro -ODM actually leave alone that I said he was doing their bidding there. Back before he was transfered even there were accusations that he was Orengos Inlaw and true to the matter he really caused chaos in 2017 before and after elections where all rulings he was doing were going ODMs way.

Show me where I have mentioned all Kikuyus are Pro Uhuru. Actually Ruto as we speak enjoys more support from them than Uhuru.
And No Judiciary should not Run Judiciary, It should be a balance and the balance should bring about impartiality in Judiciary. We also saw how a JSC with a Judiciary majority and for that matter activists joined hand with the 2 other activists from LSK gave us a CJ and DCJ and a Supreme Court Justice who tilted the balance and overtuned UhuRutos Presidency and almost lead to the breakdown of the Country.

Please let us not pretend that we dont live in Kenya where the political afflitiations dont find themselves in Judiciary.

Example why did I not point Mumbi as pro Uhuru but said her decision about Governors has really affected devolution. I just point out facts .Odunga is a Pro-ODM judge even a Std 3 kid knows that.
All CJs candidates a questioning about Supreme Court Jurisprudence and you here telling us about them , Come on you are better than this . If you have bile agaist Kihara let it not blind you and start coming with your own "facts". The Githu Muigai you are praising here was actually mentored by Kihara. Most of the ao called elite practionares went through Kiharas hand.
Kihara was to be the CJ in 2012 but the then CJ Evans Gicheru played some dirty games. RV just as you crum history try to do the same with matters law.

There is appeal mechanism. Yes Odunga and Mumbi have made ruling as high court judges that I don't like. But there is court of appeal and supreme court.

All LUOS are PRO-ODM. ALL KIKUYUS are PRO-UHURU.

What kind of nonsense are you peddling and where do you want to leave this country - IN A CIVIL WAR or what.

Judiciary should remain independent arbiter. JSC should run judiciary. End of story.

Odunga is Openly Pro-ODM judge and has been doing their bidding. He is the biggest ODM insider in the judiciary.
Mumbi on the other hand is what has been the topic of discussion in the CJs interview the Activists judge her ruling on Governors made Governors to tow the line on Govt and executive managed to capture the counties and their assmeblies together with county executive. Going by the trend enabaled by her judgement Governors now have to sing to Uhurus tune or face the music, the ones who differ opinion wise are handed to DCI and Prosecution with manufacured charges and their Deputies become Governors , the other have to sing Uhuru praises nowonder even after not getting their share of revenue from Treasury they are very quite , now compare that before Mumbis Ruling where the Ruttos ,Munya were a thorn in Govt flesh.

These dynasty off springs are not only hopelessly incompetent but full of bile for hustler achievers. Seems they just like still believe people cannot come from anywhere likes of Odunga, Mumbi and take the jobs of their kids at judiciary, KRA, and these prime technocratic positions.
Yes it's been inherited from their parents attempt to replicate the British class system of upper class and the rest of poor

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2021, 11:14:01 PM »

Well going by the happenings currently , Ruto is not taking your advice , he will maintain a substantial number of current technorats, We can see he is even tapping previous Kibaki regime technorats.
Ruto is well rounded and add his current experience he will do the right thing

Why would Ruto retain an incompetent AG who has lost pretty much every case? The gov is on collision course with judiciary - and gov is losing - huduma number took forever - housing levy - well I lost count.

What Ruto or next president need is someone like Wako...very good lawyer who is also very effective.

Hii fitina yenu ya pro-odm is silly.

I think he is one of the people who Uhuru will negoitiate with Ruto to leave him as AG. He single handedly saved UhuRutos 2017 Win,  NASA through CJ , Supreme Court and High Court almost made sure that the was no a re-run a day before the repeat elections and creating fertile grounds for a constituional crisis which the could have made a Nusu mkate Govt. Kihara constituted a quick bench which overturned high courts ruling.

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Re: Arguably the worst AG kenya ever hand
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2021, 02:48:14 AM »
The JSC as constituted will force every president to ensure the LSK reps are his people and you can only achieve this by having majority LSK council members on your side. As it stands LSK is now an executive lackney. Any president that sleeps thru this and leaves the JSC at the mercy of the representatives of the courts will have a Maraga problem