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[Arcadian_Dreamer]

But Jubilee 1.0 delivered and improved it vote count from 50% to 55% - which is unprecedented - I mean in 2nd term gov become unpopular. The reality is my man delivered - he worked really hard at it - and if Uhuru had not got jealousy that Ruto outstole him - things would be fine.

COVID-19 is punishment from god on Uhuru for betraying Jubilee.

This handshake gov is really jinxed.

Nope try again, the handcheque period doesn't count 

   

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[RV Pundit]

Factual; 6% average growth rate; That is unprecedented;10K new tarmac roads; 5M  electricity connection or 20M more people. Jubilee 1.0 delivered. And the verdict was on 21st August 2017. It passed with flying colors.

This one has completely FAILED.

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[audacityofhope]

10K what? 10,000km road?
Mbona you accept everything like a kindergarten toddler and worse bring it here for adults to read? What is the diameter of the planet you live on? In case you skipped half your geography lessons, the answer is the diameter of the Earth is 12,742 km. So you are saying a country that loses 2B daily has built roads (TENA TARMAC ROADS) capable of stretching from South pole to North pole (or close) in 5 years?
You bring plain falsehoods here and when we give you truths like telling you that are too old already to go looking for young girls to sleep with, you just go on yapping.

Factual; 6% average growth rate; That is unprecedented;10K new tarmac roads; 5M  electricity connection or 20M more people. Jubilee 1.0 delivered. And the verdict was on 21st August 2017. It passed with flying colors.

This one has completely FAILED.

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[RV Pundit]

Toilet.Com escapee!
This is normally beyond your paygrade.
Yes Jubilee paved roads - are nearly 10,000km
Jubilee found paved  Kenya had paved about 10,000kms
As of KNBS latest stats - Kenya paved road network is now 20,000kms - with Jubilee doing almost 2,000kms paved road every year
Albeit low seal volume
Kenya road network is now 250,000kms - so paved network is still 10% - and we have a long way to go - and need to really double down - and INVEST
heavily

When Ruto become PORK - I expect he will pave 100,000kms in 10yrs - or well 10 times round the earth . It can be done. It has been done.
Without corruption - we can bring KM of paved road to something like 30-40m - and therefore to pave 1,000kms is mere 300bKshs....and therefore to do 100 times that is mere 3 trillion Kshs (30B dollars).

30B dollars is very possible if Kenya can issue a 50 or 100 yr infrastructure bond - and jump start it by selling Safaricom and others.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/the-standard-insider/article/2001380893/two-presidents-different-styles-how-grand-roads-projects-define-uhuru-and-kibaki

10K what? 10,000km road?
Mbona you accept everything like a kindergarten toddler and worse bring it here for adults to read? What is the diameter of the planet you live on? In case you skipped half your geography lessons, the answer is the diameter of the Earth is 12,742 km. So you are saying a country that loses 2B daily has built roads (TENA TARMAC ROADS) capable of stretching from South pole to North pole (or close) in 5 years?
You bring plain falsehoods here and when we give you truths like telling you that are too old already to go looking for young girls to sleep with, you just go on yapping.

Factual; 6% average growth rate; That is unprecedented;10K new tarmac roads; 5M  electricity connection or 20M more people. Jubilee 1.0 delivered. And the verdict was on 21st August 2017. It passed with flying colors.

This one has completely FAILED.

Facetious: a remark not meant to be taken seriously or literally: amusing; humorous.

[RV Pundit]

Look like 200K will be hit tonight; Let see if we can get to a million; IMF will have to listen to 1m kenyan voices.

[Kadudu]

Too late. Where were you when Jubilee 1.0 was busy giving out Eurobonds? The Eurobonds have led Kenya to where it is today. Many economists warned Kenya against these expensive loans in the open market and we have landed just where the same economists predicted Kenya would land.
Kenya has to swallow the bitter pill and accept the IMF conditions. There is no other option.

Look like 200K will be hit tonight; Let see if we can get to a million; IMF will have to listen to 1m kenyan voices.

[RV Pundit]

We want IMF to run Kenya gov  - because clearly Uhuru is unable. IMF now have kenya permission to meddle in our affairs. We have told them Uhuru is no good - now I expect IMF to be embolden and institute a power grab in kenya - and run the show from upper hill

Too late. Where were you when Jubilee 1.0 was busy giving out Eurobonds? The Eurobonds have led Kenya to where it is today. Many economists warned Kenya against these expensive loans in the open market and we have landed just where the same economists predicted Kenya would land.
Kenya has to swallow the bitter pill and accept the IMF conditions. There is no other option.

[Nefertiti]

i recall battling with someone about borrow & build "China model". People can rant or politicize but this is the heart of the matter. Rail or roads should be fixed like the old stretch Nairobi to Nanyuki upgrade for pocket change - not through mountains of Chinese and European debt. There never should have been any new SGR to nowhere but cheap upgrades.

Waste of time. IMF is Kenya's last resort. Otherwise we can give China our port and other KPA facilities. Who wants that?
Btw, why is it the people who voted Jubilee three times are now crying more than the bereaved?
Choices have consequences.

[RV Pundit]

You're wrong. Nobody will ever complain of infrastructure built from borrowed money. Jubilee 1.0 build the country foundation. Jubilee 2.0 has BORROWED more - than Jubilee 1.0 - and there is no infrastructure going on as big as SGR - the borrowing is now being used for budget support - aka recurrent expenditure - to pay salaries and such. Now that is worst kind of borrowing.

IMF and WB loans - are worse kind - coz unlike China they are not tied to brick and mortar - they are money just used to prop the budget - more like Eurobond. The money disappears in huge budget hole and yet has to  be repaid for generations.

Kenya should borrow money from china - and ring-fenced it to infra - and you can never go wrong there.

SGR will outlast all of us here - solid investment - that 100yrs from now - will still be generating income.

i recall battling with someone about borrow & build "China model". People can rant or politicize but this is the heart of the matter. Rail or roads should be fixed like the old stretch Nairobi to Nanyuki upgrade for pocket change - not through mountains of Chinese and European debt. There never should have been any new SGR to nowhere but cheap upgrades.

[Nowayhaha]

And the fail to say that Raila in 2019 whipped his ODM Mps to raise the debt ceiling in Parliament.
Raila is as Guilty as charged.


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/politics/article/2001345528/the-curse-of-handshake

You're wrong. Nobody will ever complain of infrastructure built from borrowed money. Jubilee 1.0 build the country foundation. Jubilee 2.0 has BORROWED more - than Jubilee 1.0 - and there is no infrastructure going on as big as SGR - the borrowing is now being used for budget support - aka recurrent expenditure - to pay salaries and such. Now that is worst kind of borrowing.

IMF and WB loans - are worse kind - coz unlike China they are not tied to brick and mortar - they are money just used to prop the budget - more like Eurobond. The money disappears in huge budget hole and yet has to  be repaid for generations.

Kenya should borrow money from china - and ring-fenced it to infra - and you can never go wrong there.

SGR will outlast all of us here - solid investment - that 100yrs from now - will still be generating income.

i recall battling with someone about borrow & build "China model". People can rant or politicize but this is the heart of the matter. Rail or roads should be fixed like the old stretch Nairobi to Nanyuki upgrade for pocket change - not through mountains of Chinese and European debt. There never should have been any new SGR to nowhere but cheap upgrades.

[Nefertiti]

Raila or Ruto is just the politics. Borrow & build is not a viable development model. Even if no single coin is looted it would still flop.

And the fail to say that Raila in 2019 whipped his ODM Mps to raise the debt ceiling in Parliament.
Raila is as Guilty as charged.


https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/amp/politics/article/2001345528/the-curse-of-handshake

You're wrong. Nobody will ever complain of infrastructure built from borrowed money. Jubilee 1.0 build the country foundation. Jubilee 2.0 has BORROWED more - than Jubilee 1.0 - and there is no infrastructure going on as big as SGR - the borrowing is now being used for budget support - aka recurrent expenditure - to pay salaries and such. Now that is worst kind of borrowing.

IMF and WB loans - are worse kind - coz unlike China they are not tied to brick and mortar - they are money just used to prop the budget - more like Eurobond. The money disappears in huge budget hole and yet has to  be repaid for generations.

Kenya should borrow money from china - and ring-fenced it to infra - and you can never go wrong there.

SGR will outlast all of us here - solid investment - that 100yrs from now - will still be generating income.

i recall battling with someone about borrow & build "China model". People can rant or politicize but this is the heart of the matter. Rail or roads should be fixed like the old stretch Nairobi to Nanyuki upgrade for pocket change - not through mountains of Chinese and European debt. There never should have been any new SGR to nowhere but cheap upgrades.

[Nefertiti]

  so this thread naively thought IMF cares about public opinion. "Uniting" will work when Kenyans vote for Bonny Mwangi or Omtata - i believe their approval rating is not even enough for MCA. While the thieves are more popular than Jesus.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/tough-conditions-imf-approves-new-loan-3352020

[Nefertiti]

When there is an overnight billionaire leading the "hustler revolution" just know change is a long way off.

[Nefertiti]

Baby steps kweli

🔥🔥🔥#UnlockOurCountry #StopLoaningKenya! pic.twitter.com/LFE0IyG83t

— Mwarimū Mūtemi wa Kīama (@MutemiWaKiama) April 6, 2021

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/activist-mutemi-kiama-in-trouble-over-poster-warning-imf-against-kenya-loans-3352442

[Nefertiti]

This Mutemi wa Kiama dude has balls

History lied to us that this old conman led our liberation war while in reality he betrayed the MAUMAU FREEDOM FIGHTERS, allocated himself half of Kenya, then took credit for salvaging Kenya from British colonial rule. We've been living a lie since 1963! #PoliticalEducationKE! pic.twitter.com/9n8jiYoXcH

— Mwarimū Mūtemi wa Kīama (@MutemiWaKiama) July 14, 2020

[RV Pundit]

Polemics. Borrow and Build is solid.

Raila or Ruto is just the politics. Borrow & build is not a viable development model. Even if no single coin is looted it would still flop.

[Kadudu]

 
Then you know how ignorant the electorate is in Kenya.

When there is an overnight billionaire leading the "hustler revolution" just know change is a long way off.

[Kadudu]

That only works if jobs and technology is passed to the locals.
Today Kenya cannot even build on its own 1 km of railway line.
SGR biggest mistake was not using local materials. Most materials even cement was imported from China. Today even a footbridge over the highways in Nairobi is imported from China.

Polemics. Borrow and Build is solid.

[Nefertiti]

Nope. We did the analysis and noone ever made it though borrowing without some other lever. Anyway it a dead horse no need to rehash.

Polemics. Borrow and Build is solid.

Raila or Ruto is just the politics. Borrow & build is not a viable development model. Even if no single coin is looted it would still flop.

[RV Pundit]

Entire banking and finance industry exist to lend - and people borrow to build stuff; it's call a LEVER; leverage; If you're waiting for kenya to get money of it's own; then it gonna be a long wait.

Credit to individuals, private sector, public sector and gov is KEY to growth!!!!!!!!!

But of course you have to be extremely careful with borrowing - interest rate can kill you for example.

Nope. We did the analysis and noone ever made it though borrowing without some other lever. Anyway it a dead horse no need to rehash.