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Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« on: January 09, 2021, 06:51:10 PM »
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2021, 06:59:56 PM »
So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2021, 07:21:36 PM »
So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2021, 07:35:25 PM »
So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022

This is 2020 not pre-2013 bozo. African leaders have stopped respecting democracy! Did you follow what happened in TZ 2015, check succession of DRC, Angola. Now with Trump shenanigans of this week (and since Nov 4th) African leaders are more emboldened to give democracy the middle finger.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 05:29:33 AM »
So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022

Statistics? the chance of a VP succeeding the boss is about 10%

Jaramogi, Murumbi, Moi, Kibaki, Karanja, Saitoti, Mdvd, Wamalwa, Awori, Kalonzo

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 05:31:21 AM »
Where in 2013 was this rigging conference held by African leaders :) Omwami, take your prescription, without fail.
This is 2020 not pre-2013 bozo. African leaders have stopped respecting democracy! Did you follow what happened in TZ 2015, check succession of DRC, Angola. Now with Trump shenanigans of this week (and since Nov 4th) African leaders are more emboldened to give democracy the middle finger.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 05:32:18 AM »
Ruto is not VP.
He is an elected DPORK in 50-50 coalition.
He cannot be fired at will.
Ruto is so powerful that Uhuru has to merge with NASA to just stand a chance.
Ruto has the people, he has a powerful script of hustler nation, and has changed the conversation.
Ruto is now where Moi/Raila was - can win without kikuyus - and yet kikuyus will vote for him enmasse.
Therefore all these strategies are waste of time.
Only death or assinination can stop Ruto - and that could well kill kenya - because Ruto also has millions of warriors ready to kill.
Statistics? the chance of a VP succeeding the boss is about 10%

Jaramogi, Murumbi, Moi, Kibaki, Karanja, Saitoti, Mdvd, Wamalwa, Awori, Kalonzo

History is not your friend.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2021, 06:44:17 AM »
Beggars, wishes and horses - and a big chasm between them that the rest of us outside Ruto psychophant base see. His chance is as good as his small tribal coalition of URP - which is Kalenjin and 70% of pastoralists. Only Nandi would slaughter Kikuyu and Bukusu for him - the rest are hands-off Duales who watch Kenya in the news. Not only does Ruto lack the tools of violence - but the raw numbers as well. Your kneejerks of fake TIFA polls here are poorly veiled panic. Effective propaganda requires hard, cold detached cooking. You need to see Itumbi for tips.

Ruto is not VP.
He is an elected DPORK in 50-50 coalition.
He cannot be fired at will.
Ruto is so powerful that Uhuru has to merge with NASA to just stand a chance.
Ruto has the people, he has a powerful script of hustler nation, and has changed the conversation.
Ruto is now where Moi/Raila was - can win without kikuyus - and yet kikuyus will vote for him enmasse.
Therefore all these strategies are waste of time.
Only death or assinination can stop Ruto - and that could well kill kenya - because Ruto also has millions of warriors ready to kill.
Statistics? the chance of a VP succeeding the boss is about 10%

Jaramogi, Murumbi, Moi, Kibaki, Karanja, Saitoti, Mdvd, Wamalwa, Awori, Kalonzo

History is not your friend.
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2021, 06:49:27 AM »
I am pundit; not a propagandist. My record I keep telling you speaks for itself. Your pathetic one is also out there. I think you probably hold the record for getting it almost wrong everytime.

Ruto ni moto ya kuotea mbali - so much in Nairobi - ODM are now not fielding a candidate - while Jubilee do not want to go for it - preferring to pick Sonko girlfriend - because Ruto will flour them (Kangata letter explained it). ODM saw it in Kibra and had to unleash violence to hold it.
In Kakamega - maDVD is scared - because Ruto will definitely beat them in Matungu.
In Bungoma - ODM will not even show up.
In Coast - Ruto is right now taking over after winning Msabweni
In Ukambani - you will see Machakos - where Mutua and Wiper will get a dog beating.

And yet Ruto is very popular in GEMA.

These are unprecedented times - that is why handshake crew are complaining about one powerless VP man :) :)

Ruto I told you has 65% already. I predicted Jubilee winning by 55% about a year to it.

Ruto will unite GEMA and Non-GEMA in Hustle Movement - a class war propaganda executed to perfection.

Ruto will only struggle in maybe 7 counties - 3 Luo counties of Siaya, Kisumu, Homabay, (Migori Ruto has Kurias), Vihiga, Kitui (Kalonzo-Ngilu will probably defend it) and big iff on Busia (Ruto had a deal with Ojaamong before he got ensared by Kibicho) - otherwise I think we can now downgrade Matiangi in Gusii/Nyamira - that one it's promoters have realized is not ready to rumble with MEN :). They need their best striker Raila to stand a chance otherwise they can as well sit out 2022

Beggars, wishes and horses - and a big chasm between them that the rest of us outside Ruto psychophant base see. His chance is as good as his small tribal coalition of URP - which is Kalenjin and 70% of pastoralists. Only Nandi would slaughter Kikuyu and Bukusu for him - the rest are hands-off Duales who watch Kenya in the news. Not only does Ruto lack the tools of violence - but the raw numbers as well. Your kneejerks of fake TIFA polls here as poorly veiled panic. Effective propaganda requires hard, cold detached cooking. You need to see Itumbi for tips.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2021, 07:12:56 AM »
Never Robina disagreed with you about Jubilee winning - I do not back politicians strictly because they are popular. Hitler was very popular as Raila reminded us. During the great depression Hitler rode German hustlers to their slaughter. Using antisemitism.

I knew Raila was headed to defeat in 2017. You can use the search. I did not even expect Maraga to hand him some rope. I opposed NRM secession and was equally surprised and excited by Handshake. We disagreed on Sonko and Waititus suitability and chances - I saw mlolongo happen, you denied it.

Hustler is mostly propaganda and not as popular as presented. Not least because of their dismal performance but the Raila counterpunches. Hustler has milked covid but this is not sustainable. Raila simply has more advantages over Ruto - including better scheming, driving Jubilee bitter wedge, expertly lining up kahunas, and only slightly less effective propaganda. BBI inclusion is powerful propaganda that uses tribalism masterfully. Is it tribalism or inclusion? - is there a difference :)

In short Ruto should step down for the same reason dynasties should step down. I imagine every time Ruto crew insult Uhuru say in Diani - Raila get Uhuru drunk and incite him killing any chance of reconciliation. Likely got Atwoli and Malala to provoke him. The "Mdvd tosha" chorus obviously his handiwork. See now how he is biggest defender of Jomo the meter reader.

Ruto clear advantage over Raila is youth and energy. Old baba is short of stamina to straddle the country. Less exciting too unlike Kibaki days.

I am pundit; not a propagandist. My record I keep telling you speaks for itself. Your pathetic one is also out there. I think you probably hold the record for getting it almost wrong everytime.

Ruto ni moto ya kuotea mbali - so much in Nairobi - ODM are now not fielding a candidate - while Jubilee do not want to go for it - preferring to pick Sonko girlfriend - because Ruto will flour them (Kangata letter explained it).
In Kakamega - maDVD is scared - because Ruto will definitely beat them in Matungu.
In Bungoma - ODM will not even show up.
In Coast - Ruto is right now taking over after winning Msabweni
In Ukambani - you will see Machakos - where Mutua and Wiper will get a dog beating.

And yet Ruto is very popular in GEMA.

These are unprecedented times - that is why handshake crew are complaining about one powerless VP man :) :)


Ruto I told you has 65% already. I predicted Jubilee winning by 55% about a year to it.

Beggars, wishes and horses - and a big chasm between them that the rest of us outside Ruto psychophant base see. His chance is as good as his small tribal coalition of URP - which is Kalenjin and 70% of pastoralists. Only Nandi would slaughter Kikuyu and Bukusu for him - the rest are hands-off Duales who watch Kenya in the news. Not only does Ruto lack the tools of violence - but the raw numbers as well. Your kneejerks of fake TIFA polls here as poorly veiled panic. Effective propaganda requires hard, cold detached cooking. You need to see Itumbi for tips.
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2021, 07:15:53 AM »
Learn to do two simple things.
1) When analyzing politics - be dispassionate - be objective - remove your personal feelings - analyze hard cold facts.
2) When bating for your candidate - declare it - and make the distinction clear.
The way I see - you confuse reality with your personal wishes - you end up sounding like a politician.
Never Robina disagreed with you about Jubilee winning - I do not back politicians strictly because they are popular. Hitler was very popular as Raila reminded us. During the great depression Hitler rode German hustlers to their slaughter. Using antisemitism.

I knew Raila was headed to defeat in 2017. You can use the search. I did not even expect Maraga to hand him some rope. I opposed NRM secession and was equally surprised and excited by Handshake. We disagreed on Sonko and Waititus suitability and chances - I saw mlolongo happen, you denied it.

Hustler is mostly propaganda and not as popular as presented. Not least because of their dismal performance but the Raila counterpunches. Hustler has milked covid but this is not sustainable. Raila simply has more advantages over Ruto - including better scheming, driving Jubilee bitter wedge, expertly lining up kahunas, and only slightly less effective propaganda. BBI inclusion is powerful propaganda that uses tribalism masterfully. Is it tribalism or inclusion? - is there a difference :)

In short Ruto should step down for the same reason dynasties should step down. I imagine every time Ruto crew insult Uhuru say in Diani - Raila get Uhuru drunk and incite him killing any chance of reconciliation. Likely got Atwoli and Malala to provoke him. The "Mdvd tosha" chorus obviously his handiwork. See now how he is biggest defender of Jomo the meter reader.

Ruto clear advantage over Raila is youth and energy. Old baba is short of stamina to straddle the country. Less exciting too unlike Kibaki days.

I am pundit; not a propagandist. My record I keep telling you speaks for itself. Your pathetic one is also out there. I think you probably hold the record for getting it almost wrong everytime.

Ruto ni moto ya kuotea mbali - so much in Nairobi - ODM are now not fielding a candidate - while Jubilee do not want to go for it - preferring to pick Sonko girlfriend - because Ruto will flour them (Kangata letter explained it).
In Kakamega - maDVD is scared - because Ruto will definitely beat them in Matungu.
In Bungoma - ODM will not even show up.
In Coast - Ruto is right now taking over after winning Msabweni
In Ukambani - you will see Machakos - where Mutua and Wiper will get a dog beating.

And yet Ruto is very popular in GEMA.

These are unprecedented times - that is why handshake crew are complaining about one powerless VP man :) :)


Ruto I told you has 65% already. I predicted Jubilee winning by 55% about a year to it.

Beggars, wishes and horses - and a big chasm between them that the rest of us outside Ruto psychophant base see. His chance is as good as his small tribal coalition of URP - which is Kalenjin and 70% of pastoralists. Only Nandi would slaughter Kikuyu and Bukusu for him - the rest are hands-off Duales who watch Kenya in the news. Not only does Ruto lack the tools of violence - but the raw numbers as well. Your kneejerks of fake TIFA polls here as poorly veiled panic. Effective propaganda requires hard, cold detached cooking. You need to see Itumbi for tips.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2021, 07:31:47 AM »
I support Raila. Unlike you I do not falsely claim to be dispassionate. You back Ruto for tribal reasons and spin mumbo jumbo about vision or performance.

Learn to do two simple things.
1) When analyzing politics - be dispassionate - be objective - remove your personal feelings - analyze hard cold facts.
2) When bating for your candidate - declare it - and make the distinction clear.
The way I see - you confuse reality with your personal wishes - you end up sounding like a politician.
Never Robina disagreed with you about Jubilee winning - I do not back politicians strictly because they are popular. Hitler was very popular as Raila reminded us. During the great depression Hitler rode German hustlers to their slaughter. Using antisemitism.

I knew Raila was headed to defeat in 2017. You can use the search. I did not even expect Maraga to hand him some rope. I opposed NRM secession and was equally surprised and excited by Handshake. We disagreed on Sonko and Waititus suitability and chances - I saw mlolongo happen, you denied it.

Hustler is mostly propaganda and not as popular as presented. Not least because of their dismal performance but the Raila counterpunches. Hustler has milked covid but this is not sustainable. Raila simply has more advantages over Ruto - including better scheming, driving Jubilee bitter wedge, expertly lining up kahunas, and only slightly less effective propaganda. BBI inclusion is powerful propaganda that uses tribalism masterfully. Is it tribalism or inclusion? - is there a difference :)

In short Ruto should step down for the same reason dynasties should step down. I imagine every time Ruto crew insult Uhuru say in Diani - Raila get Uhuru drunk and incite him killing any chance of reconciliation. Likely got Atwoli and Malala to provoke him. The "Mdvd tosha" chorus obviously his handiwork. See now how he is biggest defender of Jomo the meter reader.

Ruto clear advantage over Raila is youth and energy. Old baba is short of stamina to straddle the country. Less exciting too unlike Kibaki days.

I am pundit; not a propagandist. My record I keep telling you speaks for itself. Your pathetic one is also out there. I think you probably hold the record for getting it almost wrong everytime.

Ruto ni moto ya kuotea mbali - so much in Nairobi - ODM are now not fielding a candidate - while Jubilee do not want to go for it - preferring to pick Sonko girlfriend - because Ruto will flour them (Kangata letter explained it).
In Kakamega - maDVD is scared - because Ruto will definitely beat them in Matungu.
In Bungoma - ODM will not even show up.
In Coast - Ruto is right now taking over after winning Msabweni
In Ukambani - you will see Machakos - where Mutua and Wiper will get a dog beating.

And yet Ruto is very popular in GEMA.

These are unprecedented times - that is why handshake crew are complaining about one powerless VP man :) :)


Ruto I told you has 65% already. I predicted Jubilee winning by 55% about a year to it.

Beggars, wishes and horses - and a big chasm between them that the rest of us outside Ruto psychophant base see. His chance is as good as his small tribal coalition of URP - which is Kalenjin and 70% of pastoralists. Only Nandi would slaughter Kikuyu and Bukusu for him - the rest are hands-off Duales who watch Kenya in the news. Not only does Ruto lack the tools of violence - but the raw numbers as well. Your kneejerks of fake TIFA polls here as poorly veiled panic. Effective propaganda requires hard, cold detached cooking. You need to see Itumbi for tips.
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2021, 08:22:28 AM »
That over there in that clip you posted is what gatheca will come closest ever to backing some one. First of all sort among yourselves who between mudavadi, kalonzo, baba, Gideon, matiangi will be your flag bearer as of now raira is out it seems you are eliminating slowly but surely

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2021, 08:28:45 AM »
 This ganging up against Ruto reminds me of the same propaganda we hear all day in the west especially the US about Putin.  Oh Putin is a small guy running a poor country with a GDP smaller than...whatever bla bla  yet he dominates the news all year and we spend ten times on defense than Russia and still can't beat Putin.  The guy is in a league of his own.  Now just substitute Putin for Ruto and you get the drift. Democracy is one man one vote and the best man wins  ama namna gani?

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2021, 09:08:27 AM »
Yes the record of my punditry speak for itself. If I spin - I would long have lost face - disappeared, changed monikers - etc. I have used this moniker for nearly 2 decades.
I support Raila. Unlike you I do not falsely claim to be dispassionate. You back Ruto for tribal reasons and spin mumbo jumbo about vision or performance.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2021, 09:10:08 AM »
The more they gang up - the more they sell Ruto nationally. Ruto was not in maDVD funeral - and yet you would have thought it was Ruto who had killed maDVD mother - it was pure hate festival on Ruto.

When Ruto was making his moves in Makueni - he spoke like he does - presidential - and even when he hits Raila he does it with some finese.

This ganging up against Ruto reminds me of the same propaganda we hear all day in the west especially the US about Putin.  Oh Putin is a small guy running a poor country with a GDP smaller than...whatever bla bla  yet he dominates the news all year and we spend ten times on defense than Russia and still can't beat Putin.  The guy is in a league of his own.  Now just substitute Putin for Ruto and you get the drift. Democracy is one man one vote and the best man wins  ama namna gani?

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2021, 02:24:36 PM »


Hope springs eternal , continue dreaming hoping Uhuru will cling to power or "handover " it to Raila.
I didnt follow Tanzanian politics in 2015, I followed Kenyan politics in 2017 and I was impressed by Uhuru and Ruto respecting Courts ruling and going for repeat election.


So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022

This is 2020 not pre-2013 bozo. African leaders have stopped respecting democracy! Did you follow what happened in TZ 2015, check succession of DRC, Angola. Now with Trump shenanigans of this week (and since Nov 4th) African leaders are more emboldened to give democracy the middle finger.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2021, 02:32:08 PM »
First we are talking about a deputy president not a vice president , a DP unlike a VP is elected .
Secondly if we were to use your analogy we have only had 3 regime changes, from Kenyatta to Moi , From Moi to Kibaki and from Kibaki to Uhuru  From Kenyatta to Moi and Moi to Kibaki those were previous VPs becoming Presidents  60% probability .
Now if we were also to use history , History has not been Railas friend , he has run 4 times and all 4 times he has lost . History will play itself again in 2022. Take that to the bank

So what ?
Moi in 2002 supported Uhuru and He lost
Kibaki in 2013 supported Mudavadi and he lost.
Ruto actually needs to dissacociate with Uhuru so that he can win 2022

Statistics? the chance of a VP succeeding the boss is about 10%

Jaramogi, Murumbi, Moi, Kibaki, Karanja, Saitoti, Mdvd, Wamalwa, Awori, Kalonzo

History is not your friend.

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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2021, 04:35:24 PM »
That over there in that clip you posted is what gatheca will come closest ever to backing some one. First of all sort among yourselves who between mudavadi, kalonzo, baba, Gideon, matiangi will be your flag bearer as of now raira is out it seems you are eliminating slowly but surely

BBI lineup is out there. I can recap. That is why Raila is resting easy - desperate Kalonzo is so happy - PK , Matiang'i are fully committed - Mdvd small grumbles as he adjusts to "junior post" which is all he deserves. Joho is happy to be CS - he said so. Weta is happy to survive. Oparanya is Mdvd backup to keep him on a leash. Mdvd tends to be wishy-washy but at 60 reality is sinking in. Only Giddy is delusional enough to imagine he can replace Ruto once he is humbled into the opposition - rest of them have done the math and rejected Ruto.

Maybe unveil for us "Mzito" Ruto's lineup? Is it MK or Muthama for VP? Oh wait - Tharaka dwarf :) Karua? Ndii is economic advisor? Any post for Omtata?

Personally I don't see Meru as primed for dwarf leadership yet - let alone larger Kenya. They will embrace maybe a woman or Muslim first - then gays - dwarfs give it a few decades.
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Re: Uhuru in Vihiga: I will not support Ruto in 2022
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2021, 04:43:25 PM »
This ganging up against Ruto reminds me of the same propaganda we hear all day in the west especially the US about Putin.  Oh Putin is a small guy running a poor country with a GDP smaller than...whatever bla bla  yet he dominates the news all year and we spend ten times on defense than Russia and still can't beat Putin.  The guy is in a league of his own.  Now just substitute Putin for Ruto and you get the drift. Democracy is one man one vote and the best man wins  ama namna gani?

I agree with the analogy. But why go so far - Bobi, Besigye, etc are ganged up against M7 next door. In DRC all Tshisekedis, Moise Katumbi, Bemba are ganged up against Kabila. These monsters are slayable. Kabila for one is out. Ruto is next.
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