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RV Pundit · « **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:14:41 PM »

Brit in OTP; Now making faces...we do not know...and therefore the only realistic order we can make...is indefinite....seized when they will say enough is enough.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:16:27 PM »

Mzungu Judge; ASP does it have a role on this?

OTP: I would hope if am right on my assertion that there has been a failure on the part of gov that they can come to change of mind; i cannot speculate on what kind of ASP will have upon the intentions and actions of gov upon ASP intervention.

Damn i need to improve my typing speeds.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:18:33 PM »

Jap lady judge; Ask Uhuru's mzungu lawyer questions...lost track of them. Mostly on the role of Uhuru as head of state.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:19:25 PM »

Sorry the question is asked to fiery victim lawyer who sound canadian or american.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #24 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:20:52 PM »

Victim lawyer; Bluntly term the non-cooperation unlawful. In many juridisction Uhuru would be liable for investigation and prosecution for obstruction of justice.

Yesterday AG of kenya said 72hrs is all would be required to turn over telephone records.

The link is cut.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:23:49 PM »

We are back...Judges ask victims lawyer..you referred to canadian jurisprudence...expand on that .

Thank you....bla de bla.....list of adjournment...indefinitely adjourn due to unavailability...pending rwanda gov.

Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants · « **Reply #26 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:24:42 PM »

Victims rep is more seized of how the African operates.

anarchista · « **Reply #27 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:25:27 PM »

Did 'victim lawyer' just argue justice will never be served as long as GoK is unco-operative and Uhuru remain Head of State?

That's a dangerous argument when you consider the possible solutions!

RV Pundit · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:26:27 PM »

Yes OTP sound deflated. This guy might just rescue them.

He is making case that current adjournment is not indefinite per see...but UNTIL GOK cooperate.

Quote from: Windy City Assassin on October 08, 2014, 12:24:42 PM

Victims rep is more seized of how the African operates.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:27:13 PM »

Arguments are arguments..evidence of Uhuru obstruction is the problem...there isn't any.

Quote from: anarchista on October 08, 2014, 12:25:27 PM

Did 'victim lawyer' just argue justice will never be served as long as GoK is unco-operative and Uhuru remain Head of State?

That's a dangerous arguement when you consider the possible solutions!

RV Pundit · « **Reply #30 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:28:21 PM »

Canadian victim lawyer: The failure by Uhuru to secure compliance takes away his right to expeditious trial.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #31 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:29:37 PM »

Canadian victim lawyer: This is unique case...Nixon case of supreme court....ordered Nixon to deliver evidence that could be implicating...Nixon watergate...forcing him to withdraw.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #32 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:31:28 PM »

Negro judge: Direct questions...one of possible option is to withdraw charges and restitute later...would such an action prejudice the rights of the victims.

Victim: GOk will dig in..it will become even harder. OTP may relax on the case. Adjourn until ASP has exhausted the cooperation mechanism.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #33 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:34:58 PM »

Jap Judge: Ask defence whether the undue delay takes away uhuru right to timely trial.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #34 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:36:24 PM »

Uhuru Brits lawyer: The Brit surprised by the correspondence btw GOK and AG. Say OTP might not have taken the data turned in from GOK seriously. It was quite alot. Judge ask him to forgo going through each one by one.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:39:25 PM »

Uhuru's lawyer Kay: Disagree that GOK has not cooperated. He also says Uhuru has no role neither has he interfered. The evidence reveal the head of state issues that is being brought to bear as an allegation doesn't manifest.

anarchista · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:41:33 PM »

Nobody is presenting evidence. Just a clear pattern of obstruction by GoK. Uhuru as head of state is not about to incriminate himself.

Balance that against victims right. Maybe that's why they want to refer it to ASP. Let them find a way to deal with rogue president.

Think Uhuru goose is cooked. Either he's president for life or Arrest Warrant the day he finishes 'kumi yangu'

Quote from: RV Pundit on October 08, 2014, 12:27:13 PM

Arguments are arguments..evidence of Uhuru obstruction is the problem...there isn't any.
Quote from: anarchista on October 08, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
Did 'victim lawyer' just argue justice will never be served as long as GoK is unco-operative and Uhuru remain Head of State?

That's a dangerous arguement when you consider the possible solutions!

RV Pundit · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:44:32 PM »

Okay...Kay had requested early last yr..permanent stay of proceedings...and now termination.

Now the debate is what difference btw those two remedies.

Kay...say the grounds are different.

OTP...says they stay of proceedings is the same as indefinite adjournment.

Victim..say stay of proceedings and current otp request are analogous.

Omollo · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:46:49 PM »

I think that Kay Stay request will return to haunt him

RV Pundit · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2014, 12:48:31 PM »

Still on remedies. Does prosecution considers difference on remedies on conditional stay of proceedings vis indefinite adjournment.
Gumpert for OTP: That will depend on the condition. If it's GOK cooperation was the condition...then it would be no difference with sine die adjournment..but will the clear statement from the court..that it will the die the court is satisfied that is cooperation.

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