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BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« on: November 30, 2020, 02:33:45 PM »
BABA Cows  queuing to sign for BBI to get four new constituencies.
✅Riftvalley - 23
✅Central - 8
✅Nyanza - 4
Ujinga yenu ndio munagaramia

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2020, 04:06:55 PM »
BABA Cows  queuing to sign for BBI to get four new constituencies.
✅Riftvalley - 23
✅Central - 8
✅Nyanza - 4
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20% of Nyanza population lives outside the province.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 05:28:55 PM »
Nyanza has more pop than central - Central has 7 protected seats - which don't met the criteria - Nyanza has none - Now central get 8 more - Nyanza 4 more - you know who will be over-represented.
20% of Nyanza population lives outside the province.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 07:50:41 PM »
BABA Cows  queuing to sign for BBI to get four new constituencies.
✅Riftvalley - 23
✅Central - 8
✅Nyanza - 4
Ujinga yenu ndio munagaramia

Gema get lion share but Luo or ODM not badly off. Here is the county breakdown

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Kiambu - 11 slots - give Gema 10 - one goes to Gusii diaspora in Kiambaa area
Nairobi - 12 slots - give Gema 30% 4
Nakuru - 5 slots - give Gema majority 3 in town, Gilgil, Naivasha. 2 others go to town Luos and Kuresoi Kipsigis
Kajiado - 3 slots - Gema 1

SUMMARY
Gema 20
Kalenjin 9 (UG 2, Bomet 2, TZ 1, Kericho 1, Nakuru 1, Narok 1, Nandi 1, WP 1)
Luo 8 (Nyanza 4, Nairobi 2, Nakuru 1, Mombasa 1)
Luhya 7 (Western 4, Nairobi 2, TZ 1)
Mijikenda 7 (Kilifi 4, Kwale 3)
Kamba 5 (Machaa 2, Nairobi 2, Makueni 1)
Maa 5 (Narok 2, Kajiado 2, Laikipia 1)
Gusii 3 (Nyamira 1, Kiambu 1, Nairobi 1)
Somali 2 (Nairobi 1, Mandera 1)
Arab-Swahili 2 (Mombasa)
Turkana 1

Basically Gema rips big to back Raila 2022. It an worthy price for Raila.
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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 08:00:29 PM »
Gusii in Kiambaa and Luo in Nakuru - really smoking insane stuff.
The reality is if this BBI handchieth was to pass -
GEMA and Kalenjin are fine.
The rest get a bad deal.
As we speak Kalenjin mps are nearly 55. Gema about 60.
If you're adding 10 more - Kalenjin go to 65. GEMA go to 80 (assuming they can keep Kiambu - because it's soon becoming Nairobi).
Luos are stuck with 35 - now maybe will go 40mps.

And yet some of these people are passing a PM/DPM without MPS. If parties go tribal - how can Kalonzo or maDVD hope to become and keep PMship with 10 mps..or Raila with 30mps.

GEMA-Kalenjin can dominate PM/PORK forever.

Raila remember's ODM is down to 62mps...and look likely to loose turkana, coast and parts...so don't be suprised come 2022 - ODM will have 40mps.

That cannot make them any PM.

BABA Cows  queuing to sign for BBI to get four new constituencies.
✅Riftvalley - 23
✅Central - 8
✅Nyanza - 4
Ujinga yenu ndio munagaramia

Gema get lion share but Luo or ODM not badly off. Here is the county breakdown

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Kiambu - 11 slots - give Gema 10 - one goes to Gusii diaspora in Kiambaa area
Nairobi - 12 slots - give Gema 30% 4
Nakuru - 5 slots - give Gema majority 3 in town, Gilgil, Naivasha. 2 others go to town Luos and Kuresoi Kipsigis
Kajiado - 3 slots - Gema 1

SUMMARY
Gema 20
Kalenjin 9 (UG 2, Bomet 2, TZ 1, Kericho 1, Nakuru 1, Narok 1, Nandi 1, WP 1)
Luo 8 (Nyanza 4, Nairobi 2, Nakuru 1, Mombasa 1)
Luhya 7 (Western 4, Nairobi 2)
Mijikenda 7 (Kilifi 4, Kwale 3)
Kamba 5 (Machaa 2, Nairobi 2, Makueni 1)
Maa 5 (Narok 2, Kajiado 2, Laikipia 1)
Gusii 3 (Nyamira 1, Kiambu 1, Nairobi 1)
Somali 2 (Nairobi 1, Mandera 1)
Arab-Swahili 2 (Mombasa)
Turkana 1

Basically Gema rips big to back Raila 2022. It an worthy price for Raila.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 08:45:32 PM »
Kalenjin are crying as Raila eat their lunch - PORK - Luo are very happy of course. PM will be non-executive Duale-Matiang'i combo - better than DPORK - it reserved for PK under Handshake.

Your broad brush with "Nyanza" 3  - and "RV" 23 - that the real dope. Luo are many in diaspora unlike Kalenjin - Nairobi slums, Mombasa in Changamwe at Bangladesh, Nakuru in Kaptebmwa. Sam Arama is Nakuru West kavirondo MP. Gusii are majprity in Gachie (Kiambaa).

ODM or URP gains/losses - Mijikenda and Maa are happy with BBI. Nanok and Duale are sulking but Roba, Yattani, Koranes seem happy. URP is more split than ODM.

Gusii in Kiambaa and Luo in Nakuru - really smoking insane stuff.
The reality is if this BBI handchieth was to pass -
GEMA and Kalenjin are fine.
The rest get a bad deal.
As we speak Kalenjin mps are nearly 55. Gema about 60.
If you're adding 10 more - Kalenjin go to 65. GEMA go to 80 (assuming they can keep Kiambu - because it's soon becoming Nairobi).
Luos are stuck with 35 - now maybe will go 40mps.

And yet some of these people are passing a PM/DPM without MPS. If parties go tribal - how can Kalonzo or maDVD hope to become and keep PMship with 10 mps..or Raila with 30mps.

GEMA-Kalenjin can dominate PM/PORK forever.

Raila remember's ODM is down to 62mps...and look likely to loose turkana, coast and parts...so don't be suprised come 2022 - ODM will have 40mps.

That cannot make them any PM.
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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 08:49:41 PM »
When did Raila become PORK- Hallucination. If Raila is going for PORK - why give in all that PM. Duale is now part of your combo :). This is mental madness.

Kalenjin we are fine - parliamentary or presidential or hybrid. We know how to play the game. We are not naive.

As for spread - Kalenjin are in 11-12 counties. That is a lot. For example in Bungoma - it likely Mt Elgon will be split into two - giving kalenjin an extra seat - we can add to Uganda ones and Tanzania ones :)

Kalenjin are crying as Raila eat their lunch - PORK - Luo are very happy of course. PM will be non-executive Duale-Matiang'i combo - better than DPORK - it reserved for PK under Handshake.

Your broad brush with "Nyanza" 3  - and "RV" 23 - that the real dope. Luo are many in diaspora unlike Kalenjin - Nairobi slums, Mombasa in Changamwe at Bangladesh, Nakuru in Kaptebmwa. Sam Arama is Nakuru West kavirondo MP. Gusii are majprity in Gachie (Kiambaa). ODM or URP gains/losses - Mijikenda and Maa are happy with BBI. Nanok and Duale are sulking but Roba, Yattani, Koranes seem happy. URP is more split than ODM.

Gusii in Kiambaa and Luo in Nakuru - really smoking insane stuff.
The reality is if this BBI handchieth was to pass -
GEMA and Kalenjin are fine.
The rest get a bad deal.
As we speak Kalenjin mps are nearly 55. Gema about 60.
If you're adding 10 more - Kalenjin go to 65. GEMA go to 80 (assuming they can keep Kiambu - because it's soon becoming Nairobi).
Luos are stuck with 35 - now maybe will go 40mps.

And yet some of these people are passing a PM/DPM without MPS. If parties go tribal - how can Kalonzo or maDVD hope to become and keep PMship with 10 mps..or Raila with 30mps.

GEMA-Kalenjin can dominate PM/PORK forever.

Raila remember's ODM is down to 62mps...and look likely to loose turkana, coast and parts...so don't be suprised come 2022 - ODM will have 40mps.

That cannot make them any PM.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2020, 08:59:44 PM »
So why are you whining about BBI?

Kalenjin get only 9 of all those 23 RV seats- that how "spread" they are.

When did Raila become PORK- Hallucination. If Raila is going for PORK - why give in all that PM. Duale is now part of your combo :). This is mental madness.

Kalenjin we are fine - parliamentary or presidential or hybrid. We know how to play the game. We are not naive.

As for spread - Kalenjin are in 11-12 counties. That is a lot. For example in Bungoma - it likely Mt Elgon will be split into two - giving kalenjin an extra seat - we can add to Uganda ones and Tanzania ones :)
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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2020, 09:01:31 PM »
9 based on you own fake analysis. Narok 3 - Kalenjin will take 2. Nakuru Kalenjin will get 2 if not 3. Bungoma Kalenjin will get 1. Tranzoia I bet the two. Nairobi we could even get another one.

We are going to be neck to neck with GEMA...larger than Kikuyu.

But we will still vote No..because if passes fine..and if it doesn't....IEBC will do boundary reviews.

Why BBI has taken Chebukati job is suprising.

Chebukati has until august 2021 to deliminate new boundaries..and this BBI confusion..will mean nothing changes.

IEBC should proceed with re-drawing boundaries to reflect 2019 population.

So why are you whining about BBI?

Kalenjin get only 9 of all those 23 RV seats- that how "spread" they are.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2020, 09:14:19 PM »
Kalenjin is 7 tribe alliance just like Gema. Narok Kipsigis will get one. Mt Elgon I doubt it - entire Bungoma gets 2.  Where will they get 3 in Nakuru out of total 5? They are only majority in Kuresoi East&West. Rongai is Baringo vast desert. Big population is town, Gilgil, Naivasha - Kikuyu areas.

Kalenjin are 9 as I have counted. Maybe 10.

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Kalenjin 9 (UG 2, Bomet 2, TZ 1, Kericho 1, Nakuru 1, Narok 1, Nandi 1, WP 1)

9 based on you own fake analysis. Narok 3 - Kalenjin will take 2. Nakuru Kalenjin will get 2 if not 3. Bungoma Kalenjin will get 1. Tranzoia I bet the two. Nairobi we could even get another one.

We are going to be neck to neck with GEMA...larger than Kikuyu.

But we will still vote No..because if passes fine..and if it doesn't....IEBC will do boundary reviews.

Why BBI has taken Chebukati job is suprising.

Chebukati has until august 2021 to deliminate new boundaries..and this BBI confusion..will mean nothing changes.

IEBC should proceed with re-drawing boundaries to reflect 2019 population.

So why are you whining about BBI?

Kalenjin get only 9 of all those 23 RV seats- that how "spread" they are.
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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2020, 09:23:59 PM »
2019 census - try check which areas are over-populated - those above 150k  const wise- otherwise you're just using broad brushes.
Kalenjin is definitely not as big as GEMA - population wise - GEMA are at least maybe 4m more …more like 6.5M versus 10.5M.
But Mp wise - it's pretty close. Kalenjin are optimally spread..so whatever criteria you pick..1K1S  or whatever...we are fine.
Kalenjin is 7 tribe alliance just like Gema. Narok Kipsigis will get one. Mt Elgon I doubt it - entire Bungoma gets 2.  Where will they get 3 in Nakuru out of total 5? They are only majority in Kuresoi East&West. Rongai is Baringo vast desert. Big population is town, Gilgil, Naivasha - Kikuyu areas.

Kalenjin are 9 as I have counted. Maybe 10.

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Kalenjin 9 (UG 2, Bomet 2, TZ 1, Kericho 1, Nakuru 1, Narok 1, Nandi 1, WP 1)

9 based on you own fake analysis. Narok 3 - Kalenjin will take 2. Nakuru Kalenjin will get 2 if not 3. Bungoma Kalenjin will get 1. Tranzoia I bet the two. Nairobi we could even get another one.

We are going to be neck to neck with GEMA...larger than Kikuyu.

But we will still vote No..because if passes fine..and if it doesn't....IEBC will do boundary reviews.

Why BBI has taken Chebukati job is suprising.

Chebukati has until august 2021 to deliminate new boundaries..and this BBI confusion..will mean nothing changes.

IEBC should proceed with re-drawing boundaries to reflect 2019 population.

So why are you whining about BBI?

Kalenjin get only 9 of all those 23 RV seats- that how "spread" they are.

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Re: BBI handchieth kweli - 70 const - only 3 in Luo Nyanza.
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2020, 09:27:41 PM »
Here are Nakuru pop numbers

https://nakuru.go.ke/govt-services/subcounties/

Luo are number 4 or worse in any system- it pretty fair price to rub Gema back for 2022 backing. Luo definitely punch above their weight unlike say Luhya.

Anyone outside of RVGema is happy with hybrid and 35%.
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