Uhuru just negotiated with italy on return of funds looted by ruto

[KenyanPlato]

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Through bogus dams projects. Now the fight is off to the shore havens to freeze all accounts owned by kenya cartels including ruto. If uhuru pulls this off he will repatriate a tidy sum that can be used to pay interest or put back to the proheccts the money was earmarked for

[RV Pundit]

Link. Italy has been rolling over old debts as new aid. They don't really give money. They forgive you old debts as new debt.

[KenyanPlato]

There is no link. Take this for what it is. I told you about uhuru and military and they you claimed it was not true..uhuru is working to get the funds back. He has a lot of good will from Europeans and US. Let us see if he can do it

[RV Pundit]

Your military major again
The Italian contractor got bankrupt - and took down many projects globally.
The rest are nonsense.

What Italy does is simple - tell Treasury to direct the money they ought to pay Italy as principal+interest payments of old debts - into project of their own choosing. They don't wire EUROS to kenya. So you cannot follow money trail to Italy. THE MONEY IS RIGHT THERE IN TREASURY.

The last I knew they were interested in irrigation and water projects  - mostly in turkana, west pokot and such area.

There is no link. Take this for what it is. I told you about uhuru and military and they you claimed it was not true..uhuru is working to get the funds back. He has a lot of good will from Europeans and US. Let us see if he can do it

[KenyanPlato]

Ok.even that is a win. I think now what uhuru needs is to do what Ribadu did in naija. He got Britain and Dubai to help him reign in rogue cartels looting nigeria. Now it has become inpossible for nigerians to keep their loooted funds in europe or dubai. Uhuru has US help. They are helping him build locsllocal prosectutorial capacity. On corruption uhuru has done ok in his last term. Ruto should continue this post 2022

[RV Pundit]

Where is SGR contract - and all the details - that made Wanjui scream murder. Uhuru took 30-50B kshs from SGR. The rest of what you wrote are nonsense. What we need to remain hopefully is the systmetic fight at ARA level - but the top dogs - those are untouachable.

Even simple COVID-19 KEMSA scandal - nothing.

Ok.even that is a win. I think now what uhuru needs is to do what Ribadu did in naija. He got Britain and Dubai to help him reign in rogue cartels looting nigeria. Now it has become inpossible for nigerians to keep their loooted funds in europe or dubai. Uhuru has US help. They are helping him build locsllocal prosectutorial capacity. On corruption uhuru has done ok in his last term. Ruto should continue this post 2022

[Kadudu]

When it comes to siphoning funds Ruto is no match to Uhuru. Uhuru will no longer mention corruption as he, his immediate family and his buddies are the biggest beneficiaries of corruption in Kenya in the last 8 years. Ruto just got the crumbs, although big according to us normal folks.
Nothing coming from Uhuru when it comes to corruption. Ruto does not even mention that word. Ruto is at least honest.

Where is SGR contract - and all the details - that made Wanjui scream murder. Uhuru took 30-50B kshs from SGR. The rest of what you wrote are nonsense. What we need to remain hopefully is the systmetic fight at ARA level - but the top dogs - those are untouachable.

Even simple COVID-19 KEMSA scandal - nothing.

[Nowayhaha]

Whatever Uhuru has gotten since the time as a Finance Minister through his Presidency is so big I believe it can build several SGRs.
Now Ruto has build some hotels here and there and has some change to share with fellow hustlers but people only see Rutos .

Now the difference between them is where as Rutos takes here and there he shares and in the process you will also see tangible development akin to Putin and his oligarch in Russia. Uhuru only shares with his family and friends and doesnt care much of development akin to Yelsin in 90s Russia.

All said and done Uhuru is lucky Ruto is the next president if someone else got the seat , he would have been asked to return all the money he has stuffed abroad.

When it comes to siphoning funds Ruto is no match to Uhuru. Uhuru will no longer mention corruption as he, his immediate family and his buddies are the biggest beneficiaries of corruption in Kenya in the last 8 years. Ruto just got the crumbs, although big according to us normal folks.
Nothing coming from Uhuru when it comes to corruption. Ruto does not even mention that word. Ruto is at least honest.

Where is SGR contract - and all the details - that made Wanjui scream murder. Uhuru took 30-50B kshs from SGR. The rest of what you wrote are nonsense. What we need to remain hopefully is the systmetic fight at ARA level - but the top dogs - those are untouachable.

Even simple COVID-19 KEMSA scandal - nothing.

[Nowayhaha]

There is no link. Take this for what it is. I told you about uhuru and military and they you claimed it was not true..uhuru is working to get the funds back. He has a lot of good will from Europeans and US. Let us see if he can do it

You are funny .

[KenyanPlato]

There is no prove uhuru has stolen from kenyans in the last 7 years

[RV Pundit]

And there is prove Ruto has stolen.
Uhuru is well known took SGR like it's well know he sponsored Mungiki.
You can ask his buddy turned enemy Wanjigi.
The last Ruto told Wanjigi - the Boss has taken it - look for something else.
Wanjigi could have none of it - because he had invested in SGR since Kibaki days.
Ruto had angled his chinese - but he backed off - when he knew Uhuru had shown an interest in it.
And Uhuru being vindictive - went to JKIA - and cancelled Wanjigi's 2nd runway project with Chinese - this will cost Kenya money.
The same way Uhuru cancelled Ruto's Italian deal - this will also cost kenya money.
These are international contracts - that kenya law - most of time doesn't apply.
These are rumours - but during 2017 - I heard rumours that Kones Julius - had been paid 40M by Italians for Itare dam - with Ruto taking huge part of it.
Kimwarer - Rotich took clean 5B kshs - and left enough evidence to be tried for it - he basically bought Indian land for 1B kshs - possibly borrowed from Treasury owned banks like kCB- and flipped it to gov for 6B kshs few months later - making cool 5b kshs.

SGR - everyone knows Uhuru took it.

What did he take - he took 5-10% that is almost standard rent seeking charge for every public project.

This they call it project management fee - every time Uhuru run to SGR or unblock roadblocks - he was getting paid - 10% is like 50B kshs for 500B project. Chinese don't mind because it factored in the budget and having such a person means project is executed on time and any roadblock is unblocked pronto.

Murathe calls it\s consultancy fee

The money most likely wired offshore.

90% of all the political fights in kenya and all the power struggle - is to get 10% of public projects

Rent seeking 101 - as long as you're powerful - you can decide who get project - for 10% - who started it?

Well I think Ndegwas/Kibakis of 1970s - who taught Mois and Biwotts - who taught Uhurus/Rutos/Railas.

There is no prove uhuru has stolen from kenyans in the last 7 years

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Uhuru doesn't need to steal. He has captured the state. Hudumba namba is just one example of that scheme.

Ruto is a scoundrel but Uhuru is leagues above him in corruption. He is learning on the job on how to hide his loot.

[RV Pundit]

Most people don't understand Kenyatta wealth.
It under the tight control of Mama Ngina.
Uhuru had more motivation to steal than Ruto.
Ruto made his money in 90s and doesn't need his mother to spend.
Uhuru basically depended on his mother; he was given weekly allowances and you know how mothers can be very stingy.
Whenever he needed to do any deal; Mama ngina had to be convinced and she had to cut the cheque.
This she did in 2002 with Moi
And also in 2013 with Ruto. Its public knowledge Mama Ngina went to Ruto house and sealed the deal...paid off Ruto for campaign expense he had incurred.

You guys just don't understand kenya and it's politics.

Uhuru now is his own man - and no longer depend on her mother - or his brother.
The CBAs/Brookside those are family assets - owned by large family committee -

Uhuru real wealth is SGR - 30-50B he got.

Now Uhuru though he was very smart....to get 30-50B in one deal

Ruto unlike sulking Wanjigi went for everything - else - and has more money than Uhuru.

Uhuru found out towards end of 2017 - that Ruto had basically outstole him.

He got very angry and jealous. He thought he was the smartest dude to steal 30B in one deal and stay clean - but Ruto had swept everything above 500M Kshs - taking 10% for 5yrs - consolidating all the small deals - which in 5yrs is huge fortune - Echesa think 200B - I think maybe 1B dollars.

These is why they fear Ruto so much they have gone to all extends. They know if it comes down to money - RUto can take Uhuru and Gideon Moi head on.

And Ruto did a clean job - no evidence left behind - money laundered clean.

Even in terms of land holding alone...Ruto probably is at kenyatta and moi levels..I believe Ruto has bought thousands of acres of land in Narok, laikipia, samburu, uasin gishu, coast, and abroad. Uhuru took his 1,000 acres of land in Ruai sewage but that is just part of huge land holding Ruto now posses. And unlike Mois and Kenyattas - it not family property to be divided.

Uhuru doesn't need to steal. He has captured the state. Hudumba namba is just one example of that scheme.

Ruto is a scoundrel but Uhuru is leagues above him in corruption. He is learning on the job on how to hide his loot.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Most people don't understand Kenyatta wealth.
It under the tight control of Mama Ngina.
Uhuru had more motivation to steal than Ruto.
Ruto made his money in 90s and doesn't need his mother to spend.
Uhuru basically depended on his mother; he was given weekly allowances and you know how mothers can be very stingy.
Whenever he needed to do any deal; Mama ngina had to be convinced and she had to cut the cheque.
This she did in 2002 with Moi
And also in 2013 with Ruto. Its public knowledge Mama Ngina went to Ruto house and sealed the deal...paid off Ruto for campaign expense he had incurred.

You guys just don't understand kenya and it's politics.

Uhuru now is his own man - and no longer depend on her mother - or his brother.
The CBAs/Brookside those are family assets - owned by large family committee -

Uhuru real wealth is SGR - 30-50B he got.

Now Uhuru though he was very smart....to get 30-50B in one deal

Ruto unlike sulking Wanjigi went for everything - else - and has more money than Uhuru.

Uhuru found out towards end of 2017 - that Ruto had basically outstole him.

He got very angry and jealous. He thought he was the smartest dude to steal 30B in one deal and stay clean - but Ruto had swept everything above 500M Kshs - taking 10% for 5yrs - consolidating all the small deals - which in 5yrs is huge fortune - Echesa think 200B - I think maybe 1B dollars.

These is why they fear Ruto so much they have gone to all extends. They know if it comes down to money - RUto can take Uhuru and Gideon Moi head on.

And Ruto did a clean job - no evidence left behind - money laundered clean.

Even in terms of land holding alone...Ruto probably is at kenyatta and moi levels..I believe Ruto has bought thousands of acres of land in Narok, laikipia, samburu, uasin gishu, coast, and abroad. Uhuru took his 1,000 acres of land in Ruai sewage but that is just part of huge land holding Ruto now posses. And unlike Mois and Kenyattas - it not family property to be divided.

Haiyaa! Ruto is approaching Mansa Musa levels of wealth if this is true.



 

[RV Pundit]

Ruto by 2032 will surpass mansa musa; Suharto made 35B dollars in those day in Indonesia. Kenya budget now is 30B dollar..steal 2% every year...you're 1B..in 10yrs...10B dollars. Steal 10% - steal everything - don't share - you'll make 3B annually. If budget goes to 100B by 2030 - steal 10% -annual - your total revenue is 10B dollars - inclusive of private sector capture. Kenyattas and Mois are very rich - it's just their wealth is not listed. Kenyatta has 10,000 acres of land in Nairobi. An acre in Nairobi in the cheapest cheapest is like 1M dollars. That is 10B dollars in landholding in Nairobi. Nakuru, Mombasa, Thika, name it. Similar land sizes. Prime land. Many spend a lifetime to get 1/8 of an acre.

But one day they may loose it all when a marxist revolutionary like Miguna come and nationalize it.

It likely to come from KDF - if political class continue disagreeing.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Ruto by 2032 will surpass mansa musa; Suharto made 35B dollars in those day in Indonesia. Kenya budget now is 30B dollar..steal 2% every year...you're 1B..in 10yrs...10B dollars. Steal 10% - steal everything - don't share - you'll make 3B annually. If budget goes to 100B by 2030 - steal 10% -annual - your total revenue is 10B dollars - inclusive of private sector capture. Kenyattas and Mois are very rich - it's just their wealth is not listed. Kenyatta has 10,000 acres of land in Nairobi. An acre in Nairobi in the cheapest cheapest is like 1M dollars. That is 10B dollars in landholding in Nairobi. Nakuru, Mombasa, Thika, name it. Similar land sizes. Prime land. Many spend a lifetime to get 1/8 of an acre.

But one day they may loose it all when a marxist revolutionary like Miguna come and nationalize it.

It likely to come from KDF - if political class continue disagreeing.

That is why I favor Georgism as a solution to our land woes. Land should not be hoarded by private individuals. Unless you doing something productive with it, it should not be yours.

[Nefertiti]

Excellent points. Uhuru is retiring so it pointless for his former diehard backers to now shed crocodile tears. Raila is the only hope to get the tight, heavy yoke off Kenya's neck. Noone sane can mind graft and support Mobutu - that's being delusional and hypocritical.