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Museveni murdering Ugandans
« on: November 19, 2020, 04:06:30 PM »
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 05:28:26 PM »
That musajja has some ways to go.  He is not even at Moi level in 90s.  More like Moi right after 82 coup.
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 05:53:19 PM »
Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 05:57:28 PM »
Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020, 05:58:15 PM »
Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.

Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.

Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like  a  chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.

And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.

Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.

Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.

Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.

Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.

Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2020, 06:23:24 PM »

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2020, 06:26:34 PM »
Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.

Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.

Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like  a  chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.

And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.

Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.

Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.

Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.

Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.

Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 04:38:12 AM »
"No Worry by Konshens & Bobi Wine

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 05:59:39 AM »
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2020, 11:51:44 AM »
In political freedoms; yes; but life in uganda is very cheap; food so plentiful'; the variety more than in kenya; alcohol very cheap; that is why Museveni despite all that; is going for live presidency. Yes anything imported is more expensive than kenya - phones, electronics - but other stuff like clothes - are cheaper.

And really there is no prov admin or police intruding in people lifes - alcohol is sold in dukas - weed is everywhere (that is part I really enjoyed :))

Feels like a mini Ethiopia still worse than Kenya.

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 12:24:39 PM »
Sounds like Kenya in 300BC 1980

Ethiopia is complicated with federal system- there are regional parties; It more like 8 countries in one; each federal region; has their president; speak their own language; teach in their own language; there are regional parties; federal parties; etc.

Uganda is kenya without tribalism. Yes there is feel that Banyakole are sitting on everyone but it not really tribal -at worse it's regionalism.

Uganda doesn't have kenya prov administration - they have elected LC1, LC2 - village head, ass chief, chief - etc. They are elected by people and don't get salary - but you pay them to sign things or stamp stuff or solve cases - more like  a  chief who get paid by services they provide - and is elected and mos tof the time respected by people.

And then they have Kingdoms - and those kingdoms have some power. They own large lands, have their own govs with ministers, collect their levies.

Uganda have mayors for big towns - and town councils - outside that - it's LC1 or LC 2 or Mps - no Regional Or District or DO - so the police are ones who have more say.

Every police station I saw in Uganda has some fire fighting equipment - kenya doesn't have one.

Given a choice - btw Kenya and Uganda - I WILL DEFINITELY CHOOSE UGANDA - as the place to live.

Kenya is just too EXPENSIVE for nothing.

Bobi wine is inciting youth in kampala. He has zero chance against nrm militias
It has to start somewhere though I admit I don't understand Uganda politics well, are they similar to ours? I was shocked that Ethiopia has complex politics I new 0 about.
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 12:52:01 PM »
Kenya is colonial police state - and was worse in 1980s - was police state. But it also make managing kenya easy and gov has control through prov administration. Uganda doesnt have such structures.

Kenya must dismantle the prov administration for personal freedoms to thrive.

And make police, DPP and Judiciary independent.

That why we can be like California - Pablo Alto - San francisco - where liberals love it.

That is why BBI handchieth should be rejected.

Sounds like Kenya in 300BC 1980

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2020, 02:21:10 PM »
Cops consistently rank as the most corrupt institution - worse than Kenyattas and Mobutus - so I don't see them as antidote for freedom. With illicit brews, crime, FGM, etc you need tight grip in Kenya. I know little of Uganda but doesn't strike one as free nor progressive. Bobi Wine and Besigye still being locked up for holding meeting - in Kenya only  Miguna get such for treason. I don't see freedom- or am missing something- isn't it a contradiction?

Here cops report to Mayor - who can fire or discipline them. Mayors often suspend city Chief of Police or slash budget like after George Floyd some heads rolled. They are not independent. The mayor chairs the city commission that hire, fire, set rules, budgets, etc for cops. Sheriffs are elected DO or chief for rural counties. Cops are a FORCE and cannot be left free of control by elected authority which is accountable to the public.

Cops still have bad reputation especially  among blacks. Brutality. So I don't hold KE cops to any high hope - cops are not loved anywhere. Until IPOA get real power and inculcate discipline and accountability culture in the rank and file - like Internal Affairs here - cops need a tight leash not independence. Don't let few whining politicians like Kuria or Mobutu bias you. That a very small slice of police work.
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 02:32:13 PM »
Pundit if these racist cops didn't report to elected Mayor - a liberal - they would dispatch many blacks bila wasiwasi at slightest suspicion. Cops behave like a cartel with code of silence and covering each other back. Yes even the black cops. Without bodycams and youtube we would never know of George Floyd real story. They would plant fake guns or drugs and case closed. Liberal mayor rein them in. NOONE want cops to be independent here.
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 03:41:12 PM »
Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.

https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012

 
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 05:43:46 PM »
Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.

https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012

 

I suspect those are Museveni's LDUs.  They were formed to arm civilians for defence without the burden of having to pay and sustain a standing army.
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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 06:39:15 PM »
This in a way may make it easier for others to organise their guerillas in the confusion. On a bad day those military and police will be easily taken down by enemy fire.

Seems even after purging all bush war Generals - he could be slowly losing his grip in the army and police. He could go under easily with the confusion flux in Amerika.

https://www.facebook.com/www.bobiwine.ug/posts/10160427631508012

 

I suspect those are Museveni's LDUs.  They were formed to arm civilians for defence without the burden of having to pay and sustain a standing army.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Museveni murdering Ugandans
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2020, 05:08:51 AM »
Pundit are you still on M7 koolaid? You often shower the old sucker with praises.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2020, 10:14:17 AM »
I always give any devil their dues.