Njamba - there was actually no kikuyu in upper kiambu

[RV Pundit]

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You're either Dorobo or recent Muranga immigrant.

https://books.google.ch/books?id=KFXnG8fTUYcC&pg=PA618&lpg=PA618&dq=Dorobo+of+Kiambu+tigoni+limuru&source=bl&ots=ZK_Bkthg5g&sig=ACfU3U3Y_IDtu8YoAi71f8b_Vqfl_U9dFw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwij2rH824TtAhVPzaQKHUJPCZcQ6AEwGXoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=Dorobo%20of%20Kiambu%20tigoni%20limuru&f=false

[KenyanPlato]

ALL Kikuyus outside of Muranga are immigrants in new lands. All my great grandparents were immigrants from Muranga. Even today I have relations from my dad side that live in Muranga.

 That side actually is where my activism comes from. Most uncles from muranga are very progressive people. One of them controlled the lower eastern Matatu business, the other was DCIO of Central

The one that I actually inherited his gene, owns about 5 plots hapo eastleigh. He was a county clerk in muranga during colonial times. He is alleged to have stolen 90K in 1960 since he was an accountant he cooked the books and then left the job. The colonial govt took him to court but couldn't prove their case. He used the loot to by a bus and the property in Eastleigh. He has since died but on my way here I went to his location and he gave me 2K. He loved life though. Always operated a big night club and I bet he had a lot of women.

[KenyanPlato]

As matter of fact I just did a big article in my village facebook page about the history of the location

[RV Pundit]

So your grandparents emigrated to Kiambu. What is % of dorobo remain in Kiambu blood. I have seen typical dorobo - short and brown with small bodies - in many kiambu people - and very mean - and also love booze. That to me is Ndorobo blood...I bet they also own dogs, love honey and hunting.

Naturally dorobos are like those native americans - very retrogressive  people - and even in kalenjin - they are derided - they are not very progressive people. They have no idea why you should do all that hard work when you can just go out there and hunt for breakfast

ALL Kikuyus outside of Muranga are immigrants in new lands. All my great grandparents were immigrants from Muranga. Even today I have relations from my dad side that live in Muranga.

 That side actually is where my activism comes from. Most uncles from muranga are very progressive people. One of them controlled the lower eastern Matatu business, the other was DCIO of Central

The one that I actually inherited his gene, owns about 5 plots hapo eastleigh. He was a county clerk in muranga during colonial times. He is alleged to have stolen 90K in 1960 since he was an accountant he cooked the books and then left the job. The colonial govt took him to court but couldn't prove their case. He used the loot to by a bus and the property in Eastleigh. He has since died but on my way here I went to his location and he gave me 2K. He loved life though. Always operated a big night club and I bet he had a lot of women.

[KenyanPlato]

So your grandparents emigrated to Kiambu. What is % of dorobo remain in Kiambu blood. I have seen typical dorobo - short and brown with small bodies - in many kiambu people - and very mean - and also love booze. That to me is Ndorobo blood...I bet they also own dogs, love honey and hunting.

Naturally dorobos are like those native americans - very retrogressive  people - and even in kalenjin - they are derided - they are not very progressive people. They have no idea why you should do all that hard work when you can just go out there and hunt for breakfast

ALL Kikuyus outside of Muranga are immigrants in new lands. All my great grandparents were immigrants from Muranga. Even today I have relations from my dad side that live in Muranga.

 That side actually is where my activism comes from. Most uncles from muranga are very progressive people. One of them controlled the lower eastern Matatu business, the other was DCIO of Central

The one that I actually inherited his gene, owns about 5 plots hapo eastleigh. He was a county clerk in muranga during colonial times. He is alleged to have stolen 90K in 1960 since he was an accountant he cooked the books and then left the job. The colonial govt took him to court but couldn't prove their case. He used the loot to by a bus and the property in Eastleigh. He has since died but on my way here I went to his location and he gave me 2K. He loved life though. Always operated a big night club and I bet he had a lot of women.

Many.. in my village there Dorobos who live there. They are were there before my parents bought land.  In Upper Lari it may be 10%. Most have tried to assimilate as Kikuyus regard them as retarded. There are remants of Dorobos in Kambaa ya wakahoi ..it was a doboro settlement near Kinale forest

[RV Pundit]

right, their women are very beautiful but are you going to marry a selfish bimbo that pretty much explained to Njuri why I didn't marry one such. in kipsigis they are cheap because they value dogs more than cattle - but few marry them - they are trained to be very selfish - and are very retrogressive - lazy almost.

Many.. in my village there Dorobos who live there. They are were there before my parents bought land.  In Upper Lari it may be 10%. Most have tried to assimilate as Kikuyus regard them as retarded. There are remants of Dorobos in Kambaa ya wakahoi ..it was a doboro settlement near Kinale forest

[KenyanPlato]

yes, My neighbor wife was dorobo. Very yellow but lazy like a sloth. She had burn her feet from being close to the fire she had cellulites visible. In Kikuyu land if you have "MBARA" Cellulite in front of your legs it is a sign you are lazy motherfucker and you will be scorned

[RV Pundit]

LOL - it's not burnt. It classic genetic marker for Dorobo. We call them red legs. In kipsigis it's clear marker that one is Dorobo/Ogiek. It in both men and women - they have red legs. They are born that way - because my immediate neighbours wife is dorobo - and we grew up with their kids - most had red legs

yes, My neighbor wife was dorobo. Very yellow but lazy like a sloth. She had burn her feet from being close to the fire she had cellulites visible. In Kikuyu land if you have "MBARA" Cellulite in front of your legs it is a sign you are lazy motherfucker and you will be scorned

[KenyanPlato]

LOL - it's not burnt. It classic genetic marker for Dorobo. We call them red legs. In kipsigis it's clear marker that one is Dorobo/Ogiek. It in both men and women - they have red legs. They are born that way - because my immediate neighbours wife is dorobo - and we grew up with their kids - most had red legs

yes, My neighbor wife was dorobo. Very yellow but lazy like a sloth. She had burn her feet from being close to the fire she had cellulites visible. In Kikuyu land if you have "MBARA" Cellulite in front of your legs it is a sign you are lazy motherfucker and you will be scorned

It gets amplified and nasty looking during cold months in Lari when these loafers sit around the fire place all day

I got come to Kericho and see you there. I will be there in December for 3 weeks

[KenyanPlato]

Aslo, GUMBAs are different from Dorobos. Gumbas are forest highland pigmies

[Njuri Ncheke]

Aslo, GUMBAs are different from Dorobos. Gumbas are forest highland pigmies

Am surprised you are this conversant with History, yes Gumba are different from Dorobos and occupied the highlands, in Meru there was clear demarcation where Merus would live and gumba. Gumba occupied the higher zones just above the forest Ridgeline and Merus were not allowed to go any higher as they feared the Gumba curses very much. Its a long history.

[KenyanPlato]

Aslo, GUMBAs are different from Dorobos. Gumbas are forest highland pigmies

Am surprised you are this conversant with History, yes Gumba are different from Dorobos and occupied the highlands in Meru there was clear demarcation where merus would live and gumba. Gumba occupied the higher zones just above the forest Ridgeline and Merus were not allowed to go any higher as they feared the Gumba curses very much. Its a long history.

it is my passion. I read and research history all the time

[Njuri Ncheke]

Aslo, GUMBAs are different from Dorobos. Gumbas are forest highland pigmies

Am surprised you are this conversant with History, yes Gumba are different from Dorobos and occupied the highlands in Meru there was clear demarcation where merus would live and gumba. Gumba occupied the higher zones just above the forest Ridgeline and Merus were not allowed to go any higher as they feared the Gumba curses very much. Its a long history.

it is my passion. I read and research history all the time

Its sad you spend most of your time spewing nonsense here. I love history for me that's the greatest study of all. I can seat quietly and patiently for hours just listening or researching history.

[RV Pundit]

We don't have those gumbas..the pygmies. I don't think they exists in kalenjin land.

[KenyanPlato]

We don't have those gumbas..the pygmies. I don't think they exists in kalenjin land.

What about OGIEKS?

[RV Pundit]

Ogiek are dorobos; more khoisan than pygmies;

What about OGIEKS?

[Njuri Ncheke]

We don't have those gumbas..the pygmies. I don't think they exists in kalenjin land.

Gumba like plato says were pygmies avid hunters and also good in collecting honey,GEMA found them already occupying mt.kenya, they spoke a kalenjin dialect am surprised you didn't know about them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agumba_people

[RV Pundit]

But why would they be distinct of Dorobo/Ogiek - that is why don't understand. We don't have pygmies kind that you see in Rwanda or Congo.

Pygmies' are not khoisan - Dorobos or Okiek are Khoisan.

Gumba like plato says were pygmies avid hunters and also good in collecting honey,GEMA found them already occupying mt.kenya, they spoke a kalenjin dialecr am surprised you didn't know about them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agumba_people

[KenyanPlato]

In actual sense gumbas are not pgymies they are short bantus

Here is Agumba history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agumba_people

[RV Pundit]

Yes that my understanding of pygmies; I think from reading; we had some those people; or clans; who were dedicated to iron making; making iron weapons and the work; and that probably the least I can think of gumbas or athi in Kalenjin land.They lived almost seperate - and were almost like 'cursed' - coz they mainly shaped weapons for murder - which in kalenjin requires elaborate cleansing etc - and they also liked it that way - because they didn't want to share their iron making technologies. I think these are iron slaves from Nigeria who moved with Bantus and brought iron technologies to rest of Africa.

But Dorobo/Ogiek are not pygmies. They are Khoisan. Their original language is Click language. They still retaining some element of that Click Language to date.

In actual sense gumbas are not pgymies they are short bantus