Njuri - do Meru really sings with your twisted mouth

[RV Pundit]

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Well embus  my inlaws had the old katitu star.
Growing my dad, had a old music system, and we had katitu, kilimbago stars, amongst others.
Kalenjin had country music - Kenny rogers -like feel - chemmy roggers.
Then it became benga mixed with Kamba beats...
Benga itself was Luo attempt to copy of Lingala.

Kispigis music - then only kalenjin to "sing"
All produced by some Indian in Kericho - Chandarana records.
Chandarana was on Kericho's Tengecha lane - and you could buy old vinyl record.

And then slowly the tune changed to south african....

But Kalenjin esp at MTC - we really sang - we practised  vocals so high - it could be heard many miles away

Then Nandis, Tugen and even Pokots starts singing too.....

[RV Pundit]

The Kalenjin songs in youtube with 1m views

[RV Pundit]

Those close to 1m

amongst others

[Njuri Ncheke]

Pundit anyone can sing, what I see lacking in kenya is originality, we copy other music styles. And our own music style sucks. Kenya is not a singing nation. There are sime very good meru music but how would you know because you won't understand. That Emmy kosgei did very bad to marry a Nigerian sponsor and belittle kalenjin men. Anyways with a population of over 5M she will get reviews of 1M in youtube it simple maths

[gout]

Interesting, the manager at my local is struggling to find a musical performer outside Kikuyu one man guitar Mugithi artists and Luo Ohangla.

Seems politics and arts go hand in hand. It will take years to have a Ngugi wa Thiong'o stature among the Kalenjins or Somalis.  There is a comical kalenjin mzee I enjoyed his music, can no longer place him even on youtube?

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk007MWDwPxeNnrZ9dksstt5RwrSYRg%3A1605410774584&ei=1p-wX86XI_HJxgO6j76oCg&q=guitar+east+africa+jstor&oq=guitar+east+africa+jstor&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgkIABDJAxAWEB46BggAEBYQHjoICCEQFhAdEB46BwghEAoQoAFQkBlYtSpg9DJoAHAAeACAAeMCiAHPEZIBBTItMS42mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjO2r-XzYPtAhXxpHEKHbqHD6UQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

[Njuri Ncheke]

That's my favorite kalenjin song. I like that kipsigis lady in the video, have sampled some kipsigis maidens and they are very sweet, I had one from the kosgey family she was very roho safi she always would call me wanting we go eat pizza and the such but deep down I knew there was something stressing her, she had a wealthy boyfriend who was mistreating her so I knew we cant go far just to enjoy the goods. Pundit I don't know why you left your kienyeji kipsigis to marry in mt. Kenya. I also had another good manager worked at Kericho tea hotel we had fabulous time, I think Kalenjin women naturally love Merus but the problems I came to learn that they all had boyfriend or sponsors so I didn't take it far. Kipsigis are sweet and yummy, also had one kienyeji nandi dark and sweet too another story for another day

[RV Pundit]

Njuri love is blind.But I agree kipsigis girls are also quite beautiful and docile making good wife material.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Njuri love is blind.But I agree kipsigis girls are also quite beautiful and docile making good wife material.

Kipsigis are not Kale. They are a Bantu tribe now for all intents with all the admixture and what not. The phenotype has changed, all they have tenuous cultural link. Give it 50 years and you guys will fully be gone.

[RV Pundit]

There is a lot of Gusii admixture - maybe 25% - but Kipsigis who are brown - get their phenotype from Ogiek - who are Khoisan. The same Ogiek I think give Kiambu kikuyus more brown than say Muranga kikuyus - and of course the South African bantus.  They also make Kipsigis more short and "weak" compared to true Nilotic blood like Nandi or keiyo.

Kipsigis because we lived most around mau forest - assimilated many of these ogiek - just like Muranga Kiambus who found Ogiek in the forested Kiambu - and took them in.

Otherwise Bantu phenotype is not brown. The most brown are those down in South Africa - who are inter-mixed with Khoisan. Khoisan seem to have been Asian tribe that came back to Africa

Typical Okiek look like this. Some of very brown -  we have many in our village - we call some red indians.

Kipsigis are not Kale. They are a Bantu tribe now for all intents with all the admixture and what not. The phenotype has changed, all they have tenuous cultural link. Give it 50 years and you guys will fully be gone.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

There is a lot of Gusii admixture - maybe 25% - but Kipsigis who are brown - get their phenotype from Ogiek - who are Khoisan. The same Ogiek I think give Kiambu kikuyus more brown than say Muranga kikuyus - and of course the South African bantus.

Kipsigis because we lived most around mau forest - assimilated many of these ogiek - just like Muranga Kiambus who found Ogiek in the forested Kiambu - and took them in.

Otherwise Bantu phenotype is not brown. The most brown are those down in South Africa - who are inter-mixed with Khoisan. Khoisan seem to have been Asian tribe that came back to Africa

Typical Okiek look like this. Some of very brown -  we have many in our village - we call some red indians.

Threw me off, all those Kipsigis I know look like Gema, you can only tell when they open their mouth to speak.

[RV Pundit]

Most of them have ogiek heritage. Some are still practical ogiek - you can tell them by the number of dogs they keep - any kipsigis who keep more than one or two dogs - definitely ogiek. In our place - we have many - because our const was carved out of Mau forest - to settle them forest dwellers.
This guy come from our next village - they have large extended family - of ogiek - now kipsigis.

Threw me off, all those Kipsigis I know look like Gema, you can only tell when they open their mouth to speak.

[RV Pundit]

Njamba homeground of Kinale - Kimende - Limuru-Tigoni-Kikuyu-Dagoretti - Kabete - all that was Dorobo/Akiek land - by the time coloniliast arrived. Kikuyu lived mostly in lowland of ruiru-thika - and those who had ventured into Njamba's home - were generally hiring land from Dorobo - to farm.

Many think Waiyaki was dorobo/okiek.

Kinale ndorobo (who called themselves Akiek pa Kinare) a Dorobo group who generally spoke a kalenjin dialect and lived around the Kinale Forest in Limuru. This group had a distinct identity up until the early 1950s but have since been completely absorbed into the Kikuyu culture. The place name kimende is a kalenjin word (kiminda) referring to the clay nature of the soil on the Limuru escarpment

[KenyanPlato]

Njamba homeground of Kinale - Kimende - Limuru-Tigoni-Kikuyu-Dagoretti - Kabete - all that was Dorobo/Akiek land - by the time coloniliast arrived. Kikuyu lived mostly in lowland of ruiru-thika - and those who had ventured into Njamba's home - were generally hiring land from Dorobo - to farm.

Many think Waiyaki was dorobo/okiek.

Kinale ndorobo (who called themselves Akiek pa Kinare) a Dorobo group who generally spoke a kalenjin dialect and lived around the Kinale Forest in Limuru. This group had a distinct identity up until the early 1950s but have since been completely absorbed into the Kikuyu culture. The place name kimende is a kalenjin word (kiminda) referring to the clay nature of the soil on the Limuru escarpment

Waiyaki was a Thief from Muranga. He stole land from GUMBA. Mind you in Kikuyu you have DOROBOS in Lari and GUMA in LOWER KIAMBU

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

There is a lot of Gusii admixture - maybe 25% - but Kipsigis who are brown - get their phenotype from Ogiek - who are Khoisan. The same Ogiek I think give Kiambu kikuyus more brown than say Muranga kikuyus - and of course the South African bantus.

Kipsigis because we lived most around mau forest - assimilated many of these ogiek - just like Muranga Kiambus who found Ogiek in the forested Kiambu - and took them in.

Otherwise Bantu phenotype is not brown. The most brown are those down in South Africa - who are inter-mixed with Khoisan. Khoisan seem to have been Asian tribe that came back to Africa

Typical Okiek look like this. Some of very brown -  we have many in our village - we call some red indians.

Threw me off, all those Kipsigis I know look like Gema, you can only tell when they open their mouth to speak.

I know.  If you've seen Marakwet and Kipsigis, upclose, you might conclude they are different races let alone tribes.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit anyone can sing, what I see lacking in kenya is originality, we copy other music styles. And our own music style sucks. Kenya is not a singing nation. There are sime very good meru music but how would you know because you won't understand. That Emmy kosgei did very bad to marry a Nigerian sponsor and belittle kalenjin men. Anyways with a population of over 5M she will get reviews of 1M in youtube it simple maths

You hit the nail on the head.  Post-independence Kenyan music was original and better.  I have met people from the Bahamas who remember Fadhili Williams with his Malaika hit.  The stuff they are producing now, I just can't...

[Njuri Ncheke]

Pundit anyone can sing, what I see lacking in kenya is originality, we copy other music styles. And our own music style sucks. Kenya is not a singing nation. There are sime very good meru music but how would you know because you won't understand. That Emmy kosgei did very bad to marry a Nigerian sponsor and belittle kalenjin men. Anyways with a population of over 5M she will get reviews of 1M in youtube it simple maths

You hit the nail on the head.  Post-independence Kenyan music was original and better.  I have met people from the Bahamas who remember Fadhili Williams with his Malaika hit.  The stuff they are producing now, I just can't...

Our main undoing was mental slavery to be honest in Africa Kenya ranks in top 3 of countries that worship bazungu, for countries that immediately propped up and supported their culture after independence they have unique and original music, name them,South Africa with Kwaito etc, Congo with lingala etc, Tanzania with bongo etc, Nigeria and west Africa with its African vibes. Kenya has nothing we follow the queen.

[RV Pundit]

Don't blame the Queen and the Brits. It because we are country of many small tribes. It's hard to jell and create something that is one. But we will do it eventually like we did with Sheng. Kenya will become a real nation about 300-500 yrs from now. Now it's  a state.

Our main undoing was mental slavery to be honest in Africa Kenya ranks in top 3 of countries that worship bazungu, for countries that immediately propped up and supported their culture after independence they have unique and original music, name them,South Africa with Kwaito etc, Congo with lingala etc, Tanzania with bongo etc, Nigeria and west Africa with its African vibes. Kenya has nothing we follow the queen.