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2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« on: September 29, 2020, 03:13:36 PM »
This plus china's Nairobi Expressway is 2.5B dollars. If Americans were serious they could have thrown in 3B dollars.

This kind of investment we need. And we don't need to borrow. The tolls will pay for itself eventually. This is what we did in power sector.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/uhuru-heads-to-france-to-sign-sh180bn-loan-2374222

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2020, 05:25:37 PM »
Mwafrika taking the begging bowl to Ulaya as usual. What is new? No dignity.

No wonder we are not respected.

We will NEVER develop with foreign aid.

Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore refused to accept foreign aid of any kind.

This is a far cry from many developing countries like ours, where, every time you pick up the paper, all you see are politicians and bureaucrats trying to secure foreign aid from someone, be it an NGO, a foreign government, or an international financial institution, like the World Bank.

He ordered signs bearing "no foreign aid" be hung outside every government office in Singapore.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2020, 05:51:59 PM »
PPP is not foreign aid. This is foreign investment in our public infrastructure. We need the roads. They will build it for us and charge us a fee for 30yrs. This is what we need to do more - look at this - many people in developed world keep trillion dollars of pension funds - that they won't need for 30yrs - this is money that we can tap in - use it now - and repay them 30yrs from now - when they retire.

If we get a slice of those funds - which are parked in asset earning 2-3% - and we give them 6% - we could easily transform our country - and also make them developed world pensioners happy 30yrs from now.

And all gov need to provide is guarantee - that if investment goes bad -  public will pay it through taxes.

Mwafrika taking the begging bowl to Ulaya as usual. What is new? No dignity.

No wonder we are not respected.

We will NEVER develop with foreign aid.

Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore refused to accept foreign aid of any kind.

This is a far cry from many developing countries like ours, where, every time you pick up the paper, all you see are politicians and bureaucrats trying to secure foreign aid from someone, be it an NGO, a foreign government, or an international financial institution, like the World Bank.

He ordered signs bearing "no foreign aid" be hung outside every government office in Singapore.




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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2020, 05:55:13 PM »
On the road to more debt and bankrupty..there is a reason why tolls were removed in kenya

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2020, 05:58:35 PM »
Why are you worried when it's not our money. Let the French worry. This is new kenya - they are 2million cars now. If this failed before - it doesn't mean it will fail tomorrow.
On the road to more debt and bankrupty..there is a reason why tolls were removed in kenya

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2020, 06:02:12 PM »
US doesnt have our kind of infrastructure deficit. If they build a dual from limuru to kericho - and they charge 1,000 - many people will pay for that non-stop stress free fast driving without stupid cops on the way. That 1K will be recouped from savings in fuel economy of the car. That 250km will be possible to be covered in 2.5..driving at 100km -- which is about half the time it takes now. Those are the kind of development we want to hear.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-highway-gives-black-eye-to-private-investment-in-infrastructure-1502271003

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2020, 06:55:21 PM »
What are the government guarantees on this? If the concessionaire fails to meet their revenue the government kicks in. So basically this is a risk free deal for the investor. Government should have setup a fund, funded by road and fuel levy. The money is enough to construct inter-county highways for the entire country. And even better the fund can issue bonds (infrastructure bonds) backed by road and fuel taxes. This is what america did under Eisenhower.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2020, 07:00:51 PM »
What are the government guarantees on this? If the concessionaire fails to meet their revenue the government kicks in. So basically this is a risk free deal for the investor. Government should have setup a fund, funded by road and fuel levy. The money is enough to construct inter-county highways for the entire country. And even better the fund can issue bonds (infrastructure bonds) backed by road and fuel taxes. This is what america did under Eisenhower.

That is the correct way to do it.

PPP have bad track record.



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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2020, 07:07:54 PM »
In power generation sector - we saw huge investment - from IPP - through such deals. Turkana Wind alone was nearly 1b dollars. Gov has no money to set up or fund a fund. This is almost free money - and all we need to sign is guarantee maybe.

If people take 30yr mortgage - why can't gov take such deals.

These toll roads are the way to go -  esp for major highways in areas full of traffic jam.

Gov can then concentrate on building roads in areas with doubtful ROI like turkana, mandera and such....where no investor will go.

But Nairobi, Mombasa and major towns - leave it for toll stations or whatever arrangement private investment would like. Kenyans will pay for a smooth ride  - like we pay expensively for electricity.

What are the government guarantees on this? If the concessionaire fails to meet their revenue the government kicks in. So basically this is a risk free deal for the investor. Government should have setup a fund, funded by road and fuel levy. The money is enough to construct inter-county highways for the entire country. And even better the fund can issue bonds (infrastructure bonds) backed by road and fuel taxes. This is what america did under Eisenhower.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2020, 07:10:24 PM »
Polemics.
That is the correct way to do it.

PPP have bad track record.





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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2020, 07:28:37 PM »
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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2020, 07:29:11 PM »
In power generation sector - we saw huge investment - from IPP - through such deals. Turkana Wind alone was nearly 1b dollars. Gov has no money to set up or fund a fund. This is almost free money - and all we need to sign is guarantee maybe.

If people take 30yr mortgage - why can't gov take such deals.

These toll roads are the way to go -  esp for major highways in areas full of traffic jam.

Gov can then concentrate on building roads in areas with doubtful ROI like turkana, mandera and such....where no investor will go.

But Nairobi, Mombasa and major towns - leave it for toll stations or whatever arrangement private investment would like. Kenyans will pay for a smooth ride  - like we pay expensively for electricity.
If the roads are so viable, why does the investor need traffic guarantee? Even the Turkana the guarantee of purchase by kplc led to investment of $1b wind farm that electricity produced isn't even evacuated, and even worse there's no demand for that electricity.  This is investment distortion.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2020, 07:36:11 PM »
My friend - you are talking 180B Kshs of someone money. If all they want is guarantee - or IPP take or pay - we should do that. But here - you're asking us to raise 180B from where? Then 70B for Nairobi Expressway.

The gov stopped signing IPP when KPLC could not evacuate - I think we are fine now - with enough buffer.

If the roads are so viable, why does the investor need traffic guarantee? Even the Turkana the guarantee of purchase by kplc led to investment of $1b wind farm that electricity produced isn't even evacuated, and even worse there's no demand for that electricity.  This is investment distortion.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2020, 07:39:35 PM »
If the roads are so viable, why does the investor need traffic guarantee? Even the Turkana the guarantee of purchase by kplc led to investment of $1b wind farm that electricity produced isn't even evacuated, and even worse there's no demand for that electricity.  This is investment distortion.

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He has no clue.

He just likes spending for its own sake.

One of those under the spell of the erroneous infrastructure led economic growth narrative that is in vogue.

That is why I encourage everyone to become a mwanabiashara at some point in their life. You appreciate money and fiscal prudence.





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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2020, 07:58:56 PM »
Fundamentally, what is uhuru trying to get from French?

  • French currency to plug foreign money deficit
  • Bridge local skill deficit in road construction
  • Building good relation with french for collaboration with Danone milk-brookside colabo as kickback
  • Borrowing for stealing as part of BBI initiative

This road is very similar to MSA-NBO route which had been assigned to American military industrial company betchel but flopped at the end. Amu coal power, Turkana oil, Turkana wind, SGR, have all become failed projects at their different stages of development.

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2020, 08:12:29 PM »
You can bet 10% of contract and the company to collect toll will be owned by Uhuru or Macharia. That is what poltician do.
Fundamentally, what is uhuru trying to get from French?

  • French currency to plug foreign money deficit
  • Bridge local skill deficit in road construction
  • Building good relation with french for collaboration with Danone milk-brookside colabo as kickback
  • Borrowing for stealing as part of BBI initiative




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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2020, 04:03:55 AM »
HIGHWAY ROBBERY Long thread

As per project information memorandum (IM) dated 2016, the Government estimated cost of Nbi-Nku-Mau Summit at US$550m as shown. The contracted cost is reported at Sh180b ($1.7b) at current exchange rate. 1/13

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The contracted cost of the 215km is reported at Sh180b ($1.7b), an eye popping Sh837m ($8m) per km, believe it or not, way more than the SGR ($6m/km). Dualling the 21km Athi River- Machakos Junction cost Sh5.3b, or Sh252m ($2.5m) per km.

 
This rate is similar to the per km cost of the $550m estimate in the project IM. Engineers and QSs need to educate us on why it is costing 3 times + as much to upgrade a similar road, more so when long stretches of the road are on flat open uninhabited terrain.
At this cost, investors would expect a dollar return of at least 12 percent, which inclusive of operational and maintenance cost a gross revenue of at least 15 percent, plus a sinking fund to pay off the debt say over 20 years. That works out to Sh36b per year or Sh98m per day.
The average daily traffic (ADT) as per the project brief, on the busiest section (Nbi-Nku) was 40k vehicles. The hurdle rate tariff at this traffic level is Sh2400 ($24) per vehicle. For PSVs, that is the fare for 4 passengers i.e just about 30% of the revenue of a 14 seater.
Of course, by the time its completed, the shilling may have weakened. The exchange rate risk and domestic interest risk (if the investors borrows locally) as well as total revenue risk falls on the Government. In fact the investor bears no risk at all, as shown.
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Essentially, the investor is a bondholder guaranteed a fantastic equity premium for doing a project that the government could finance more cheaply. What do I mean? If Government goes to the Eurobond market now to build a public toll road it could borrow 10 year money at 8%.
Assuming, implausibly of course, that road costs Sh180b, the Government’s required revenue to pay interest is Sh14.4b a year, which, working with 40k vehicles translates to a tariff of Sh990 ($9 per vehicle).

 
The government does not need to factor in maintenance cost since we pay fuel levy for that. It also does not need a sinking fund because Governments, as perpetual entities, can and alway roll over their bonds.
But as noted the road is unlikely to cost anywhere near that much. Even if we provide for 10% cost escalation from 2016 and provide for another three years to completion, we are looking at $1b(Sh108b).
The hurdle rate of 12% calculated at the inflated $1.7 now becomes a guaranteed return of 22 percent-no sweat. The kickbacks for that? If we borrowed the $1b to build a public toll road, the interest cost on that works out to a tariff of Sh550 per vehicle.
Do the math, close to Sh2,000 per vehicle per day going to private pockets for something we could do publicly? As I keep saying, finance is the new extractive industry. 13/13

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Re: 2nd toll road - 1.8B - 'free' money
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2020, 12:09:36 PM »
Of course. Not Macharia. He is just being used. Like SGR and the Nairobi Expressway coming up, the companies running the railway and the toll stations are jointly owned by some locals. Those locals are Kenyattas and maybe David Murathe.

You can bet 10% of contract and the company to collect toll will be owned by Uhuru or Macharia. That is what poltician do.