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Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« on: September 23, 2020, 03:37:09 AM »
and Mobutu worst nightmare. Tangatanga was kicked out of main committees so any IPPG or bills will sideline them. I predict UhuRao will leverage this advisory for BBI.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2020, 08:31:11 AM »
and Mobutu worst nightmare. Tangatanga was kicked out of main committees so any IPPG or bills will sideline them. I predict UhuRao will leverage this advisory for BBI.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2020, 09:49:13 AM »
Indeed now he has constitutional moment to amend Katrina but without a legally constituted parliament  it maybe be easy to block BBI on its track.We also have Ndii banana on basic structure

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2020, 10:32:09 AM »
Robina is just excited over nothing. Most pro BBI supporters were until the analysed the situation and reality struck.
This has really put BBI in a very bad place and thats the reason all BBI supporters are calling Maraga a supporter of Hustler Nation.

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 11:00:12 AM »
BBI was limping. Uhuru had big plans for parliament - you saw how he kicked out Ruto folks - but now the same parliament is limping.

In short BBI crowd just got wasted.

The parliament they worked so hard to control is now for all purpose and intent in abeyance of the constitution.

The only window for parliament is to quickly meet and pass the gender law - while suspending everything else.

Robina is just excited over nothing. Most pro BBI supporters were until the analysed the situation and reality struck.
This has really put BBI in a very bad place and thats the reason all BBI supporters are calling Maraga a supporter of Hustler Nation.

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2020, 12:24:44 PM »
As usual Tangatanga bimbos cannot see beyond their noses. Shit is about to hit the fan for Mobutu. They were claiming here how Uhuru is not coming back after elections - which the bombshell now means you can have elections without Uhuru going anywhere for 2 years. The lameduck parliament is at Uhuru mercy.

BBI is BLANK CHEQUE - all the 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM, etc - get bundled with welfare and all mana from kondele heaven. Your hustler nonsense is dead.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 01:12:45 PM »
As usual Tangatanga bimbos cannot see beyond their noses. Shit is about to hit the fan for Mobutu. They were claiming here how Uhuru is not coming back after elections - which the bombshell now means you can have elections without Uhuru going anywhere for 2 years. The lameduck parliament is at Uhuru mercy.

BBI is BLANK CHEQUE - all the 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM, etc - get bundled with welfare and all mana from kondele heaven. Your hustler nonsense is dead.

Robina you have flip flopped on BBI was Railas Manifesto and was just about promises not to be full field   , now you are saying its going to happen  .
If " Maragas advice " is manna from Heaven for ODM and BBI supporters ask yourself why are the "real politicians" angry and worried and now attacking Maraga , They should be rejoicing according to " Robinas punditry"

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https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-09-23-raila-supporters-attack-cj-maraga-over-uhuru-letter/

Ironically, even Raila’s team that widely celebrated Maraga when he nullified Uhuru’s 2017 presidential election, accused the CJ of turning into an activist.

In 2017, the Nasa team heaped praises on Maraga as a faithful defender of the 2010 Constitution whose decisions will forever be remembered in Africa.

On Tuesday, Minority Whip Junet Mohamed opened the debate with a clarion call for Maraga to follow in his predecessor Willy Mutunga’s footsteps and proceed on leave, pending his retirement.

“The precedent was set by Willy Mutunga when he left office six months before the expiry of his term for good governance purposes,” Junet said.

“I was shocked when the CJ told the Justice and Legal Affairs committee that he’d leave office on January 12, 2021, the same date when his term is ending,” Junet said.

He claimed Maraga has never gone on leave for four months and his exit from the helm of the Judiciary should have started in August.

“He has four months of leave which should have started in August. How can someone take his advisory seriously? Parliament is going nowhere. We have a term ending August 2022. Which election is Maraga asking for now? Which election is this?” Junet thundered.

Leader of Minority John Mbadi asked why the CJ has been allowed to make such a major decision in his last days in office.

“The CJ did something that now appears to be a desire to be trending in social media and the news,” Migori Senator Ochilo Ayacko said.

Busia Senator Amos Wako, the attorney general who held office for a record 20 years, took a swipe at the CJ for making the decision despite what he called the glaring contradictions in the Constitution.

He argued that while the Constitution stipulates a fixed term for Parliament, it does give the give the President the powers to prorogue or dissolve Parliament.

“It almost appears that he has become an activist, where he should be a president and at the same time being a judge of the supreme Court,” Makueni Senator Mutula Kilonzo Jnr said.


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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2020, 01:53:16 PM »
Omtata Noway - those are smoke and red herring. Uhuru will call presser along with covid update and say public interest overrides Omtata or FIDA interest. So the 1/3 and all issues will be rectified with BBI. This makes Raila Manifesto a constitutional imperative :)
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2020, 03:11:02 PM »
Uhuru doesn't have all the cards. Judiciary is ready to declare BBI illegal anytime until the constitution has been ammended. That is a long way to go.
Omtata Noway - those are smoke and red herring. Uhuru will call presser along with covid update and say public interest overrides Omtata or FIDA interest. So the 1/3 and all issues will be rectified with BBI. This makes Raila Manifesto a constitutional imperative :)

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2020, 04:12:11 PM »
BBI will be passed by new parliament if current is dissolved. This make Raila Manifesto a national emergency. AG and Kimunya will draft BBI Omnibus Bill with 1/3, 35% and shebang - for this or next parliament to vote. Either way BBI is now court- sanctioned. Court orders or advisory affect all bills or none.

Uhuru doesn't have all the cards. Judiciary is ready to declare BBI illegal anytime until the constitution has been ammended. That is a long way to go.
Omtata Noway - those are smoke and red herring. Uhuru will call presser along with covid update and say public interest overrides Omtata or FIDA interest. So the 1/3 and all issues will be rectified with BBI. This makes Raila Manifesto a constitutional imperative :)
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2020, 05:06:34 PM »
Not easy to ammend this katiba. Forget it. 1/3 will have to be dealt within current laws. Not enough time. The legal challenges that will be thrown it making it impossible to do it before.

And judiciary will not wait for illegal parliament to ammend katiba.

And it's likely Ndii reading - which reflect my reading (check my history here) - is absolutely righ.

There are basic structure of constitution that you cannot ammend.

You cannot ammend the right to life for example....even if you have super-majority.

So pray you'll be able to ammend progressive law like 1/3 gender :)

BBI will be passed by new parliament if current is dissolved. This make Raila Manifesto a national emergency. AG and Kimunya will draft BBI Omnibus Bill with 1/3, 35% and shebang - for this or next parliament to vote. Either way BBI is now court- sanctioned. Court orders or advisory affect all bills or none.

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2020, 05:32:11 PM »
 Yes that is what am saying. You need referendum to
amend most of katiba including 1/3 - cause current MPs already failed to pass 1/3 - and Kenyans refused to vote women. So elections is crisis - how do you make Kenyans vote women - or new parliament to pass 1/3? Now you see Uhuru choice is easy - he will ignore David the Brinkman Maraga - and say fasttfack BBI. In meantime Parliament will remain constitutional but lameduck.


Illegal vs lameduck - you know the difference right?


Not easy to ammend this katiba. Forget it. 1/3 will have to be dealt within current laws. Not enough time. The legal challenges that will be thrown it making it impossible to do it before.

And judiciary will not wait for illegal parliament to ammend katiba.

And it's likely Ndii reading - which reflect my reading (check my history here) - is absolutely righ.

There are basic structure of constitution that you cannot ammend.

You cannot ammend the right to life for example....even if you have super-majority.

So pray you'll be able to ammend progressive law like 1/3 gender :)

BBI will be passed by new parliament if current is dissolved. This make Raila Manifesto a national emergency. AG and Kimunya will draft BBI Omnibus Bill with 1/3, 35% and shebang - for this or next parliament to vote. Either way BBI is now court- sanctioned. Court orders or advisory affect all bills or none.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2020, 06:15:38 PM »
How do you fast track when our courts are slow. BBI has small window before IEBC start to prepare or general election. One court case that gets an injunction - and it kaput. Now imagine many court cases. Judiciary is something the Uhuru doesn't control. Even parliament - despite Raila - help - he failed in senate - in simple 1M1S.

Go slow on wishful thinking.

Parliament has to find a way out first. You cannot ammend constitution - to fix the constitution. So first pass the law - and then try to ammend katiba.

Now lameduck president, limping parliament and add COVID-19 wrecking economy, and you have a real crisis. Add a referendum. And  you haven't even thought about arrows :)

At this point Uhuru and parliament best strategy is to limp along - and hope for the best - not open more war fronts - in divisive BBI and referendum - that will mix with election mood - plus corona - and kenya will be BANKRUPT by mid next year. Uhuru will go out in great shame.

Yes that is what am saying. You need referendum to
amend most of katiba including 1/3 - cause current MPs already failed to pass 1/3 - and Kenyans refused to vote women. So elections is crisis - how do you make Kenyans vote women - or new parliament to pass 1/3? Now you see Uhuru choice is easy - he will ignore David the Brinkman Maraga - and say fasttfack BBI. In meantime Parliament will remain constitutional but lameduck.


Illegal vs lameduck - you know the difference right?

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2020, 06:26:49 PM »
Here is what you need to get:

Elections 2013 & 17 already failed to fix 1/3.
11th and 12th parliaments failed to fix 1/3.

So holding elections is proven failed method. BBI is best strategy as at now. Easy-peasy - Uhuru will consider best option that avoid crisis.

Referendum or elections- which is more likely to resolve this?

How do you fast track when our courts are slow. BBI has small window before IEBC start to prepare or general election. One court case that gets an injunction - and it kaput. Now imagine many court cases. Judiciary is something the Uhuru doesn't control. Even parliament - despite Raila - help - he failed in senate - in simple 1M1S.

Go slow on wishful thinking.

Parliament has to find a way out first. You cannot ammend constitution - to fix the constitution. So first pass the law - and then try to ammend katiba.

Now lameduck president, limping parliament and add COVID-19 wrecking economy, and you have a real crisis. Add a referendum. And  you haven't even thought about arrows :)

At this point Uhuru and parliament best strategy is to limp along - and hope for the best - not open more war fronts - in divisive BBI and referendum - that will mix with election mood - plus corona - and kenya will be BANKRUPT by mid next year. Uhuru will go out in great shame.

Yes that is what am saying. You need referendum to
amend most of katiba including 1/3 - cause current MPs already failed to pass 1/3 - and Kenyans refused to vote women. So elections is crisis - how do you make Kenyans vote women - or new parliament to pass 1/3? Now you see Uhuru choice is easy - he will ignore David the Brinkman Maraga - and say fasttfack BBI. In meantime Parliament will remain constitutional but lameduck.


Illegal vs lameduck - you know the difference right?
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2020, 06:31:02 PM »
Once you realize referendum is only route now - since referendum is expensive- it must be bundled with BBI to avoid wastage. You see Dr Maraga just ordered Raila pill -  and you are here cheering.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2020, 07:12:01 PM »
Passing a gender bill is the only route. They have to figured it out. They can reserve 30% of all party nomination for women.
Once you realize referendum is only route now - since referendum is expensive- it must be bundled with BBI to avoid wastage. You see Dr Maraga just ordered Raila pill -  and you are here cheering.

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2020, 08:56:58 PM »
That was already tried and failed 10X - since 2013 to now.

Passing a gender bill is the only route. They have to figured it out. They can reserve 30% of all party nomination for women.
Once you realize referendum is only route now - since referendum is expensive- it must be bundled with BBI to avoid wastage. You see Dr Maraga just ordered Raila pill -  and you are here cheering.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2020, 09:22:49 PM »
They were not disbanded. A new parliament only mandate will be to pass that gender bill or they go. This is the constitutional stick. You got try it first. Whip the MPs arse with it.

1/3 - at least pass some fake gender bill.

That was already tried and failed 10X - since 2013 to now.

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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2020, 09:40:40 PM »
Good luck.

They were not disbanded. A new parliament only mandate will be to pass that gender bill or they go. This is the constitutional stick. You got try it first. Whip the MPs arse with it.

1/3 - at least pass some fake gender bill.

That was already tried and failed 10X - since 2013 to now.
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Re: Gender rule is golden chance for BBI
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2020, 09:40:57 PM »
Uhuru (and Raila) has the levers now - accept that - cause he will decide what referendum question or new gender bill will say. Referendum on 1 question is wastage - duhh - so let bundle 35% devolution and BBI items. Ruto can only oppose or support but has less and less space now to drive the initiative - which is a court- sanctioned imperative. His crew kicked out of major posts in bunge and party.

The politics of it.
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