RV PUNDIT - PLEASE ADVICE THE % OF KALENJIN IN NAROK, TRANSZOI & NAKURU COUNTIES

[KenyanPlato]

Why are kalenjins so invested in presidency like this. It is like a do or die affair. I believe deep down with or without power kalenjins want kikuyus out of their areas. As you stated kales will use uhuru grievance to settle scores with kikuyus over land. The fact that threats are already out in the open point to bigger social problem that you guys have with kikuyus. Uhuru should honor his deal with the devils and leave power.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Why are kalenjins so invested in presidency like this. It is like a do or die affair. I believe deep down with or without power kalenjins want kikuyus out of their areas. As you stated kales will use uhuru grievance to settle scores with kikuyus over land. The fact that threats are already out in the open point to bigger social problem that you guys have with kikuyus. Uhuru should honor his deal with the devils and leave power.

They have tasted the nectar, and are hooked now. 24 years of Moi dictatorship has conditioned them to see the presidency as their birthright. They can't make money outside of government because they are not good businessmen so they need to control the executive in order to loot public coffers, GEMA at least will go for tenders and such but this guys will straight up loot the Central Bank. Presidency also means they can resettle Mau forest leading to an ecological collapse from which this country will never recover. 

[KenyanPlato]

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That is correct. All this noise is about them getting back to practice absolute power and loot the state like they did last time. Then on their way out they will displace the foreigners in their lands. It is simple selfish play. A very myopic way of solving economic and social problems. They think the days of them controlling all govt enterprises and agencies is about to come back. For kikuyus the idiots need to vote for these miserable pricks they made a deal with such a dishonorable group of people. I cannot really in the life of me understand how a community can sit down and target others like that and still feel good about themselves. Uhuru was fucking moron to run for presidency now he got a real mess 5 deal with. No matter what he does kikuyus in rv will be dispaced ..

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

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That is correct. All this noise is about them getting back to practice absolute power and loot the state like they did last time. Then on their way out they will displace the foreigners in their lands. It is simple selfish play. A very myopic way of solving economic and social problems. They think the days of them controlling all govt enterprises and agencies is about to come back. For kikuyus the idiots need to vote for these miserable pricks they made a deal with such a dishonorable group of people. I cannot really in the life of me understand how a community can sit down and target others like that and still feel good about themselves. Uhuru was fucking moron to run for presidency now he got a real mess 5 deal with. No matter what he does kikuyus in rv will be dispaced.

Just deserts for Kikuyu treachery and snake like behavior over the decades, they shaft everyone whenever they get chance now let them deal with their own hostage situation. Kale warriors licking their chops to hunt those mf's down without mercy. I don't think RV is bluffing, something is in the air. May be we need a real genocide to rearrange the decks once and for all. Partition the country afterwards.

[RV Pundit]

We didn't hear you complain in 2007 when you were beneficiary of such violence? That only time you got into power. Kenyans if they cannot agree - will soon have to divorce - through a painful process. And only way to avoid that is to really devolve or even adopt federal system of gov - with each tribe - basically running their own affairs.

And we have see Luo counties - run their affairs - pretty impressive if you ask me - in their mediocrity. At least Kakamega or Bungoma - under Lusaka and Oparanya - I could see devolution working - Siaya - Kisumu - name them nothing.

Just deserts for Kikuyu treachery and snake like behavior over the decades, they shaft everyone whenever they get chance now let them deal with their own hostage situation. Kale warriors licking their chops to hunt those mf's down without mercy. I don't think RV is bluffing, something is in the air. May be we need a real genocide to rearrange the decks once and for all. Partition the country afterwards.

[Kadudu]

My issue with your view is equating Kalejin problems to Kenyan problems. Kenyans have moved on. The problems of RV will affect Kenya, but will not bring Kenya down. Ruto does not have the birthright to the presidency. Kalejins have to live with the fact that he may not become president in 2022.

We didn't hear you complain in 2007 when you were beneficiary of such violence? That only time you got into power. Kenyans if they cannot agree - will soon have to divorce - through a painful process. And only way to avoid that is to really devolve or even adopt federal system of gov - with each tribe - basically running their own affairs.

And we have see Luo counties - run their affairs - pretty impressive if you ask me - in their mediocrity. At least Kakamega or Bungoma - under Lusaka and Oparanya - I could see devolution working - Siaya - Kisumu - name them nothing.

[Nowayhaha]

Don't personalize. I don't agree with majority of Kalenjin mindset. 
But i am being dissapasionate and telling you the truth like I have always done.
Kalenjin minority in Narok are already getting kicked - I and many predicted this would happen.
This is just the nature of the beast.
Maasai are in position where they are getting alarmed - so Narok just prepare for many wars and bloodsheed.
When I predict something - It's based on my knolwedge and anlysis  - it's not what I think.
If I was thinking like that - I wouldn't have married a GEMA woman and got kids with.

Let hope for the best - but definitely Uhuru-Ruto fallout is VERY BAD NEWS.
Kalenjin are almost fanatically backing Ruto -
If they miss PORK - they will not miss "land grievances" after "rigging allegation"
They will not take betrayal by GEMA lightly.

That I know because I know their thinking.

It's like predicting how Luos will react.

The problem I see with our people now is youth unemployment, their inability to do usual urban migration like western kenya ( I read some statistics that had 40% of Bungoma men out of county). In 1992 - maybe you needed to import warriors - now - everywhere in RV - kalenjin have so many idle youths - you can eaisly get a million fighting force.

Now add that youth unemployment to Ruto politics- and you wake up the land grievance monster of Jomo Kenyatta - and you have a civil war in your hand.

Uhuru has to understand this very very clearly - and they need to know if they go man to man with Ruto - it will be tragic. A lot of people will die. Millions more will suffer.

This is MAD - both sides will lose heavily - there will  be no winner.

RV, your mindset is so in the 90s and have refused adapt to the new dispenstation.
First what make you think population outburst and land issue has only affected Kalenjins.
Secondly what makes you think Kalenjins hold monopoly to violence.
Furrhermore as indicated earlier politcs are different now in comparison to  90s and 2007 when Maasais and Luhyas the other players were on the same poltical formation with Kalenjin

From the data you provided (still looking for the most current and correct ) , you are in the 30% in Narok, Nakuru and TransNzoia thats a minority and can be equated to what you are calling "Foreigners"
A war always affects the minorities more than anyone else  , you seem not to see this , your analysis on Naivasha and TransNzoia is Misguided.

So RV, in 2007-2008 you managed to remove en mass Kikuyus from the most 5 populous Kalenjin counties and including Uasin Ngishu , Majority relocated and settled in Nakuru county . So incase  of violence in 2022 who will you evict (there is a small Kikuyu population around eldoret ) .This is what you are not seeing  . You claimed to have data on population census tribe wise in Kalenjin counties - table them you will realize  Kikuyu population is close to asymptotic. However in the counties there are counties where Kalenjins are a significant minority -This is the area which will be hard hit .Mass population eviction will happen in times of war .

Raila is setting stage for that - If you cant clearly see , Raila is trying to use the 41 vs 1 strategy against Ruto and Kalenjin , In 2007 Kibaki and his Mt Kenya Mafia and majority of Gema didnt see this , they only realized it once Luhya was gone even with Awori  being Kibakis VP , and Kamba gone when Ngilu abandoned Kibaki and ran away with NARC party .

This s Railas plan , deny Ruto vying with Jubilee and turn Gema against Ruto by using Violence rhetoric .

Luckily Ruto knows what is happening and Ruto knows they cant afford to go that route .

[Nowayhaha]

Why are kalenjins so invested in presidency like this. It is like a do or die affair. I believe deep down with or without power kalenjins want kikuyus out of their areas. As you stated kales will use uhuru grievance to settle scores with kikuyus over land. The fact that threats are already out in the open point to bigger social problem that you guys have with kikuyus. Uhuru should honor his deal with the devils and leave power.

People act as if we are in the 90,s apart from Uasin Ngishu(areas around Eldoret Town)  name other areas in Kalenjin dominated areas where Kikuyu live ?

[RV Pundit]

Kalenjin are 7m with arrows in a country of 50m. You're kidding yourself if you think country can move forward. In most countries it's normally a conflict btw a small section that bring down the entire nation.

My issue with your view is equating Kalejin problems to Kenyan problems. Kenyans have moved on. The problems of RV will affect Kenya, but will not bring Kenya down. Ruto does not have the birthright to the presidency. Kalejins have to live with the fact that he may not become president in 2022.

[RV Pundit]

I have already said this - most kikuyus will self-evict long before - and as of today - I can tell many of them are probably bailing out. They know the drill. They know how it starts. The guys like Kadudu's Luhyas are the one that could be found napping in a false sense of security.

This is Uhuru legacy - the next 2yrs - folks will be evicting themselves - long before any war. Everyone with a brain can see 2007 slowly forming.

As for Raila - and RV - I don't think Kalenjin care - in 92 and during MOI era they were hated - but they are 'warlike' - and for them - their only fear is police or army - not other tribes. Youll not hear Kalenjin crying for police to protect them. They trust in their own self-defense.

So RV, in 2007-2008 you managed to remove en mass Kikuyus from the most 5 populous Kalenjin counties and including Uasin Ngishu , Majority relocated and settled in Nakuru county . So incase  of violence in 2022 who will you evict (there is a small Kikuyu population around eldoret ) .This is what you are not seeing  . You claimed to have data on population census tribe wise in Kalenjin counties - table them you will realize  Kikuyu population is close to asymptotic. However in the counties there are counties where Kalenjins are a significant minority -This is the area which will be hard hit .Mass population eviction will happen in times of war .

Raila is setting stage for that - If you cant clearly see , Raila is trying to use the 41 vs 1 strategy against Ruto and Kalenjin , In 2007 Kibaki and his Mt Kenya Mafia and majority of Gema didnt see this , they only realized it once Luhya was gone even with Awori  being Kibakis VP , and Kamba gone when Ngilu abandoned Kibaki and ran away with NARC party .

This s Railas plan , deny Ruto vying with Jubilee and turn Gema against Ruto by using Violence rhetoric .

Luckily Ruto knows what is happening and Ruto knows they cant afford to go that route .

[Njuri Ncheke]

Kalenjin are 7m with arrows in a country of 50m. You're kidding yourself if you think country can move forward. In most countries it's normally a conflict btw a small section that bring down the entire nation.

My issue with your view is equating Kalejin problems to Kenyan problems. Kenyans have moved on. The problems of RV will affect Kenya, but will not bring Kenya down. Ruto does not have the birthright to the presidency. Kalejins have to live with the fact that he may not become president in 2022.

Kadudu has a point. Pundit stop being emotional you are losing it, you now suffering from stronghold mentality which made luos very depressed over the decades, any conflict in rift valley will be only concentrated there in Kakenjin counties not more than 5 counties at the most, Turkanas, Samburu, Masaai even pokots wouldn't participate, Uhuru will be at liberty to easily exterminate that conflict with the blessings of ither kabilas and international support. Be careful what you wish for, Kalenjin mighy end up exterminated.

[RV Pundit]

I actually wish for peace. I am a patriotic kenyan. I love kenya. But I can see war coming if current trajectory continues. Somalia is not exceptional.

Kadudu has a point. Pundit stop being emotional you are losing it, you now suffering from stronghold mentality which made luos very depressed over the decades, any conflict in rift valley will be only concentrated there in Kakenjin counties not more than 5 counties at the most, Turkanas, Samburu, Masaai even pokots wouldn't participate, Uhuru will be at liberty to easily exterminate that conflict with the blessings of ither kabilas and international support. Be careful what you wish for, Kalenjin mighy end up exterminated.

[Nowayhaha]

Kalenjin are 7m with arrows in a country of 50m. You're kidding yourself if you think country can move forward. In most countries it's normally a conflict btw a small section that bring down the entire nation.

My issue with your view is equating Kalejin problems to Kenyan problems. Kenyans have moved on. The problems of RV will affect Kenya, but will not bring Kenya down. Ruto does not have the birthright to the presidency. Kalejins have to live with the fact that he may not become president in 2022.

Kadudu has a point. Pundit stop being emotional you are losing it, you now suffering from stronghold mentality which made luos very depressed over the decades, any conflict in rift valley will be only concentrated there in Kakenjin counties not more than 5 counties at the most, Turkanas, Samburu, Masaai even pokots wouldn't participate, Uhuru will be at liberty to easily exterminate that conflict with the blessings of ither kabilas and international support. Be careful what you wish for, Kalenjin mighy end up exterminated.

The truth is incase of any war(God Forbid) , mass evictions of the minority (in this case Kalenjin) will happen in the following counties Narok, Nakuru and TransNzoia  -The result is this will add more pressure on resources to accommodate them in the Kalenjin dominated counties  of Elegeyo Marakwet ,Kericho, Nandi , Baringo and Bomet . In 2022 Kalenjin in the dominated counties will not have Kikuyus as leverage , they already migrated as a result of 2007 P.E.V. only Luhas and a few Kissiis  are left there .

[RV Pundit]

Nowayaha, you're a ignorant, kalenjin warriors from home counties move en masse to cause chaos in nakuru to mt Elgon.I am talking thousands of warriors..upon a war cry.Kikuyu you can assemble a few mungiki but you have no such war infrastructure .Majority of those fighting in molo you may discover are from transmara.They pay themselves by stealing cattle,  bicycle or whatever they can find as they evict  n maim.In my home which on entry to mau in bomet..after a war cry..the following morning without fail..cattle business men will assemble..waiting to buy prized cows for cheap..the dogs of war sell and go back.They repeat until war is over.The only way to stop is not start..otherwise once kalenjin wide war cry is sounded things will be elephant for Kenya .Immediately  a war cry is sounded,  kalenjin warriors,  change their attire, get weapons, move to assembly  point, then village division move to location till it becomes county.Every clan know their war division n every village has their regiments.

Kalenjin military infrastructure is a work of art. If it wasn't for it destruction - most countries ought to borrow from it. I first saw it in 1992. A war cry - I had never heard of it before was sounded - women were trained then (during circumcision) - so I heard this funny wailing - attack molo 3 times - then it stops - the next village picks it attack molo 3 times - and it stops - the next village. We were in school - and an assembly was called and we were dismissed immediately - and but we were boarding - so while still preparing to find transport home - within 1hr - the school compound had turned into an assembly of warriors - and they kept coming - by 4pm - it was large multitude..Then they are arranged into war divisions and regiments with commanders. This is based on clans. They are 4 war regiments. Then they filled into Mau forest  and went for Molo.

You can imagine that war cry that started in Molo reached Transmara - and in less than 4hrs - a transmara man was in Nakuru - ready to attack.

This why Kalenjin were only community in east africa to live spare - one hut in one ridge- the rest lived in manyattas and villages that were heavily fortified. Kalenjin knows as long as a war cry is sound - help will be on way very fast.

Now there are many classes of war cry - there are those a village can respond to - they are those a location will - and they are those the entire community is called.

[Njuri Ncheke]

No pundit things will only be elephant in 5 Kalenjin dominated counties. The aftermath mbaluhya mogusii will take over your land and whatever is left they will run down your women and take them by force imagine kadudu taking over your homestead in bomet and taking all your female relatives as spoils while you in Uganda cooling off your scared ass. Think carefully. Kikuyu will all fall back to nakuru and there no warrior can dare step even in molo, kikuyu are deadly as warriors, once they take oathing muuma you guys are done. We other kabilas will be watching silently just like 2007,NEP, Meruland business was as usual we just saw it on tv.

[RV Pundit]

You should ask them baluhya or gusii or luos. They know Kalenjin very very well. You're new in the territory. All they do is to hope to defend themselves - but attack kalenjin - that would be unheard of.

Even little Sabaot of Bungoma - kick Luhya arse so hard - and yet they are 10%.

During Nandi resistance - Not even Maasai offered themselves to show the Brits the road inside Nandi - leave alone accepting to fight as mercenaries. Not even with heavy bribes of cattle. The few Maasai who accepted lied to British and directed them elsewhere.

That is why British had to import sudanase and buganda. That is why Nubians are in kenya.

Kalenjin to suffer are my type in mavoko. Hapo itabidi nimetoka mbio.

No pundit things will only be elephant in 5 Kalenjin dominated counties. The aftermath mbaluhya mogusii will take over your land and whatever is left they will run down your women and take them by force imagine kadudu taking over your homestead in bomet and taking all your female relatives as spoils while you in Uganda cooling off your scared ass. Think carefully. Kikuyu will all fall back to nakuru and there no warrior can dare step even in molo, kikuyu are deadly as warriors, once they take oathing muuma you guys are done. We other kabilas will be watching silently just like 2007,NEP, Meruland business was as usual we just saw it on tv.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Of course I dont mean them taking you head on but after Uhuru sends GSU police etc to massacre you guys thus making you soft targets for these kabilas who will move in to take care of the remains, This is what willhappen Pundit tell ypur warriors that they can't win this time you will be fighting all fronts.

[RV Pundit]

Police including GSU ni shadow. KDF ndio watu wanaogopa. You have to understand kalenjin will mostly fight at night - and kenya police are lazy - and will be taking guard daytime.

Now KDF - those capable of anything - including throwing bombs - and castrating warriors mt elgon style.

But if the numbers are huge - like Ruto wide assault - you're talkin millions against a few security officers - so only way out is political negotiation - you cannot fight Kalenjin nation as whole - and hope for a quick win. It will be big loss for everyone.

Utaskia political talks be done this time I suspect in Kampala or Adis Ababa - Ruto might run abroad. I really doubt he will stay in Nairobi if things go south.

From Serena talks, utaskia Munyonyo Talks

Of course I dont mean them taking you head on but after Uhuru sends GSU police etc to massacre you guys thus making you soft targets for these kabilas who will move in to take care of the remains, This is what willhappen Pundit tell ypur warriors that they can't win this time you will be fighting all fronts.

[Nowayhaha]

Nowayaha, you're a ignorant, kalenjin warriors from home counties move en masse to cause chaos in nakuru to mt Elgon.I am talking thousands of warriors..upon a war cry.Kikuyu you can assemble a few mungiki but you have no such war infrastructure .Majority of those fighting in molo you may discover are from transmara.They pay themselves by stealing cattle,  bicycle or whatever they can find as they evict  n maim.In my home which on entry to mau in bomet..after a war cry..the following morning without fail..cattle business men will assemble..waiting to buy prized cows for cheap..the dogs of war sell and go back.They repeat until war is over.The only way to stop is not start..otherwise once kalenjin wide war cry is sounded things will be elephant for Kenya .Immediately  a war cry is sounded,  kalenjin warriors,  change their attire, get weapons, move to assembly  point, then village division move to location till it becomes county.Every clan know their war division n every village has their regiments.

Kalenjin military infrastructure is a work of art. If it wasn't for it destruction - most countries ought to borrow from it. I first saw it in 1992. A war cry - I had never heard of it before was sounded - women were trained then (during circumcision) - so I heard this funny wailing - attack molo 3 times - then it stops - the next village picks it attack molo 3 times - and it stops - the next village. We were in school - and an assembly was called and we were dismissed immediately - and but we were boarding - so while still preparing to find transport home - within 1hr - the school compound had turned into an assembly of warriors - and they kept coming - by 4pm - it was large multitude..Then they are arranged into war divisions and regiments with commanders. This is based on clans. They are 4 war regiments. Then they filled into Mau forest  and went for Molo.

You can imagine that war cry that started in Molo reached Transmara - and in less than 4hrs - a transmara man was in Nakuru - ready to attack.

This why Kalenjin were only community in east africa to live spare - one hut in one ridge- the rest lived in manyattas and villages that were heavily fortified. Kalenjin knows as long as a war cry is sound - help will be on way very fast.

Now there are many classes of war cry - there are those a village can respond to - they are those a location will - and they are those the entire community is called.

Now that you bring Nakuru  and Mt Elgon , We know what happened there in 2007-2008 In Nakuru and how SLDF were dealt with in 2008 .
In Nakuru out Of 11 constituencies , Kalenjin are predominantly with slight majority in Kuresoi North ,South and Rongai  , The rest are filled with Kikuyus albeit with some  P.E.V survivors having settled there . These are people who have been caught up in a war before and you will b sure they will be well prepared psychologically and resource wise
Their former Governor is Kinuthia Mbugua of the Administration Police Training College and Administration Police remember how he  sealed off to the riotous mobs of the 2007/08 post election violence and taming Mungiki during Michukis tenor  . This what Nakuru offers for its talents
If there is to be war One of the biggest battle front will be Narok –Transmara as you correctly point you will also  be engaged there  .Remember in  2007 The Kalenjins attacks were passively aided by Maasai and Luhya as they were in the same camp .Luos were the riot wing of  ODM   . It will be challenging managing one battle front in Kuresoi and another in Transmara . The logistics of doing that require preparedness and execution precision on the level of a Military Army and or  Airforce.
As pointed out earlier ODM had the luos rioting in Nairobi and engaging in another war in Nairobi slums . The international media caught up with the riots and Nairobi P.E.V. easily as all their correspondence offices are in Nairobi . With No media it will be hard to highlight your plight . It will be more or less like Mt Elgon operation.
You are pegging a war in V now with 2007 conditions. Things are different.

[RV Pundit]

2007 the war started in transmara after maasai were defeated by Ngeno Ngong and smashed ballot boxes. As for mbugua you got jokes.. 2007 he couldn't help.Poloce cannot help much except prevent day light confrontation, OTHERWISE houses will be burnt day and night.Police cannot police farms.In Nakuru it will be Nakuru east ..from town to molo.that will see lots of wars.