Pundit, What do Kalenjins think/stand about the Kiambaa church massacre

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You misunderstood me.  I am not denying the carnage of the 1994 Hutu led genocide.  I am just putting Njuri's rating of the Kiambaa massacre into perspective.  People often overlook the fact that mini-genocides perpetrated by the RPF and allies continued in the DRC, even after the end of the one in Rwanda.

RPF used to cross into the DRC to take care of genocidaires not commit massacres, what was the point they already won and had millions of Hutu at their mercy in Rwanda proper if they wanted retribution. Kagame wanted to end the cycle of violence, so turned a blind eye to some perpetrators in the interest of of peace, remember the gacaca court system. Those early days after the genocide however remnants of the Habyarimana regime would routinely cross over the border and massacre civilians in Rwanda and in DRC against locals Tutsis/Banyamulenge civilians. I have followed the history of the great lakes during that period closely. It is an insult to bring up the RPF, a disciplined force that pacified Rwanda and Eastern Congo with Kiambaa massacre. 

My recollection is a bit stale right now, but I'll try and recommend a few books on the subject after I am able to pay a physical visit of my local library.

Yours is the RPF official version of events. "They came in and took out the genocidaires, brought reconciliation and peace." 

The reality is less flattering.  Kagame wrought havoc to the tune of at least 200,000 dead Hutus deep inside in the DRC after the fighting had stopped in Rwanda.  This is not counting those slaughtered in Rwanda by the RPF during the genocide.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

My recollection is a bit stale right now, but I'll try and recommend a few books on the subject after I am able to pay a physical visit of my local library.

Yours is the RPF official version of events. "They came in and took out the genocidaires, brought reconciliation and peace." 

The reality is less flattering.  Kagame wrought havoc to the tune of at least 200,000 dead Hutus deep inside in the DRC after the fighting had stopped in Rwanda.  This is not counting those slaughtered in Rwanda by the RPF during the genocide.

By all means bring your evidence. You are clearly pushing a revisionist pro Hutu version of events.

[Njuri Ncheke]

My recollection is a bit stale right now, but I'll try and recommend a few books on the subject after I am able to pay a physical visit of my local library.

Yours is the RPF official version of events. "They came in and took out the genocidaires, brought reconciliation and peace." 

The reality is less flattering.  Kagame wrought havoc to the tune of at least 200,000 dead Hutus deep inside in the DRC after the fighting had stopped in Rwanda.  This is not counting those slaughtered in Rwanda by the RPF during the genocide.

By all means bring your evidence. You are clearly pushing a revisionist pro Hutu version of events.

That's. Why they arrested the Hotel Rwanda guy, for pushing pro Hutu revisionist theories. Bitmask is always credible in his post but here i think you ensnared him

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

My recollection is a bit stale right now, but I'll try and recommend a few books on the subject after I am able to pay a physical visit of my local library.

Yours is the RPF official version of events. "They came in and took out the genocidaires, brought reconciliation and peace." 

The reality is less flattering.  Kagame wrought havoc to the tune of at least 200,000 dead Hutus deep inside in the DRC after the fighting had stopped in Rwanda.  This is not counting those slaughtered in Rwanda by the RPF during the genocide.

By all means bring your evidence. You are clearly pushing a revisionist pro Hutu version of events.

Revisionist can also be true as long the evidence is there, including UN reports.  I will resurrect this thread when I get more concrete support for what really ought to be a no-brainer that Kagame is probably the biggest mass killer alive in the world today.

[KenyanPlato]

Those hutus needed to pacified. They are still in Zaire causing all manner of terror. There is an area kagame hasnt been able to conquer. Even in kenya there will come a time if things keep on buried under the rug that some rogue will just bust out of the barracks and get in an area like rv and just committ mass killings. Right now the warriors are convinced they can beat kikuyus peasants any anytime but some of the displaced kikuyus have vowed never again. Kenya due to gema elite greeed will be undone. It is 2 years to elections and people are already amped with tribal euphoria

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Revisionist can also be true as long the evidence is there, including UN reports.  I will resurrect this thread when I get more concrete support for what really ought to be a no-brainer that Kagame is probably the biggest mass killer alive in the world today.

Not Bashar Assad?..not George Dubya?

Jeez! Who knew Felicien Kabuga posts on Nipate? Look, Kagame is not a cuddly figure or a democrat but your'e so far off base with your accusations it is not funny. 

Kagame saved his community from total annihilation, thrashed the genocidaires and made Rwanda into what it is today, a thriving model African nation.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Revisionist can also be true as long the evidence is there, including UN reports.  I will resurrect this thread when I get more concrete support for what really ought to be a no-brainer that Kagame is probably the biggest mass killer alive in the world today.

Not Bashar Assad?..not George Dubya?

Jeez! Who knew Felicien Kabuga posts on Nipate? Look, Kagame is not a cuddly figure or a democrat but your'e so far off base with your accusations it is not funny. 

Kagame saved his community from total annihilation, thrashed the genocidaires and made Rwanda into what it is today, a thriving model African nation.

That is a dubious claim, but it's not the issue.  Be patient.  I will stay focused on my promise to share the evidence for his blood-thirst(totally uncontroversial if you are conscious) when I am able.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

That is a dubious claim, but it's not the issue.  Be patient.  I will stay focused on my promise to share the evidence for his blood-thirst(totally uncontroversial if you are conscious) when I am able.

The Rwandan economy grew an average of 7% from 2010 to 2018 partly through development in key areas such as manufacturing, agriculture, education, health, tourism and ICT. Rwanda’s high growth rate makes this African country one of the fastest-growing countries in the world.

Rwanda’s accomplishment of the objectives laid out in Vision 2020 is part of the reason for its high growth. The country’s government created Vision 2020 intending to become a middle-income country by 2020, yet postponed this goal to 2035. Development progress remains widespread, though. Through infrastructure and service sector investments, Rwanda took one million of its citizens out of poverty between 2005 and 2011. Rwanda’s success story continues thanks to the governmental focus on improving living standards while also investing in the private sector.

You clearly have an ax to grind.